(2004) Cannot change default language

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Miss Perspicacia Tick

Here's the issue: -

I'm running a fully updated Word on a fully updated Tiger. The global
settings are all set for UK English. I have made sure that the default
language and dictionary in Word are set to UK English. I have quit Word and
restarted it several times, but it still marks all UK spellings as incorrect
(e.g. 'behaviour' as 'behavior' 'fibre' as 'fiber', etc)

This is beginning to *really* annoy me now - could someone please tell how
to set the default dictionary to UK English permanently - before I end up
permanently bald?!

Thanks
 
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Daiya Mitchell

If you put your cursor in behaviour or fibre, and go to Tools | Language,
what comes up selected in the dialog?

You know that changing the default doesn't have any effect on documents
created before you changed it, right?

What did you do that set the default dictionary in Word?

You can check the steps listed under #1 here:
http://word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/Spell-Check.htm

Nice Pratchett ref.
 
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Evadne Cake

If you put your cursor in behaviour or fibre, and go to Tools | Language,
what comes up selected in the dialog?

You know that changing the default doesn't have any effect on documents
created before you changed it, right?

What did you do that set the default dictionary in Word?

You can check the steps listed under #1 here:
http://word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/Spell-Check.htm

Nice Pratchett ref.

I was posting from my Windoze box. For some reason, any threads I start
aren't showing up (I'm currently trialling Hogwasher), but I can reply to
previously started threads. I use Outlet Depress on my other box.

If you can recommend a free (or reasonably priced) client, then by all means,
do so... Hogwasher is quite expensive ($60). I like MacSoup but it cannot
handle binaries. I like the way Hogwasher downloads all parts and then
combines them automatically.

To answer your question - it varies (roughly 50/50) some times it comes up US
sometimes UK. I know Dubya thinks he's the leader of the Borg and his prime
objective is to assimilate the entire planet, but we Brits will *NOT* be
assimilated! ;o) It also appears to vary between templates. They all appear
to be set for US English unless otherwise specified. There doesn't appear to
be any rhyme or reason to it.

This made me even more irritated - this is taken from the native reference
tool: -

be·hav·iour n
U.K. = behavior

IOW, the native Encarta has its knickers in a knot - it thinks that the 'u'
spelling is US and the U-less spelling is UK....

Sorry, I'm really very tired - it's 2:35am and I *REALLY* need to get some
sleep...

I'll trawl that URL in the morning (well, it is morning, I mean when I wake
up... ;o))
 
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Beth Rosengard

Hi Pratchett Person,

I think all you need do at this point is select the text you want proofed in
UK English (if it's the entire document, select all). Go to Tools>Language
and change the language to UK English. That should do it.

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Danny

http://tinyurl.com/az88m
Pay no attention to Evadne Cake.She gets her kicks treating others poorly
and laughing at their questions and misfortunes in these newsgroups.
"Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength."
IFC
 
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Beth Rosengard

Danny,

There is no evidence in this newsgroup that Evadne Cake has any intention of
"treating others poorly and laughing at their questions and misfortunes" nor
has she done so. The only person who has treated anyone poorly at this
point is *you* for posting that URL!

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Danny

Evadne Cake is Miss Perspicacia Tick and if I have to explain any more than
that then I'm afraid you need to do a little research.
Miss Perspicacia Tick has treated people just as poorly as that article has
treated her.Now when she treats people poorly in this newsgroup I hope that
you are as adamant in those peoples defense as you are Evadne Cake/ Miss
Perspicacia Tick's defense.
 
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Clive Huggan

Meanwhile, back at the farm ...

I often receive documents in US English from others in Australia, because
they have misconfigured their machines. It's such a frequent occurrence that
I have made a toolbar button that applies the version of English I need
without having to go to the Tools -> Language menu.

Post back, Evadne or anyone else, if you want more information.

Cheers,,

Clive Huggan
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Evadne Cake

Hi Pratchett Person,

I think all you need do at this point is select the text you want proofed in
UK English (if it's the entire document, select all). Go to Tools>Language
and change the language to UK English. That should do it.

Sorry for not replying sooner, I've been incredibly busy and not needed to
use it again until tonight. Yes, that does it for that document, but is there
any way to alter the normal template and have it stick? I'm coming from 2003
and you had the Language Tools and you could delete US English and force UK
(or whatever) to be the default and it would stick. I thought that Mac Word
would take its cue from the system settings (and everywhere is set up for UK)
but it would not appear to be the case.

So, my question now is, how do I effect a change globally? This is beginning
to make me wish I'd still got my PC set up (OK, that's a slight exaggeration
but it *IS* frustrating!)

Cheers,

PP
xx
 
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Evadne Cake

Evadne Cake is Miss Perspicacia Tick and if I have to explain any more than
that then I'm afraid you need to do a little research.
Miss Perspicacia Tick has treated people just as poorly as that article has
treated her.Now when she treats people poorly in this newsgroup I hope that
you are as adamant in those peoples defense as you are Evadne Cake/ Miss
Perspicacia Tick's defense.

Daniel/Paul/Joe/Jim/John/Or Whatever You Are Calling Yourself This Hour,

GET A LIFE!!! No one gives a flying f*** what you think. Do you know what
'harassment' is? It would appear not. I suggest you acquaint yourself with
the definition PDQ because, if you keep this up, you will find yourself
charged with it in very short order. I don't know (nor do I care) about the
law wherever you are but, in the UK harassing someone online is no different
from harassing them offline. You have 48 hours to cease and desist. If you
persist with this incredibly juvenile behaviour (and you either have some
kind of mental problem or you are 14 - or maybe you're 14 *and* you have some
kind of mental problem), I shall be forwarding your posts to my local law
enforcement agency and they can (and, indeed, will) deal with you.

If you don't like what I post , then kill-file me. Carry on as you are and
you will find yourself in a whole heap of trouble. This isn't affecting me in
the slightest. If you think you are hurting me - don't flatter yourself; as
the saying goes you're a fruit loop and I eat fruit loops for breakfast. All
you're doing is making yourself look a prize prick.

If you want to insult me, then take it to email. My address is valid.

Your choice.
 
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Evadne Cake

Meanwhile, back at the farm ...

I often receive documents in US English from others in Australia, because
they have misconfigured their machines. It's such a frequent occurrence that
I have made a toolbar button that applies the version of English I need
without having to go to the Tools -> Language menu.

Post back, Evadne or anyone else, if you want more information.

Cheers,,

Clive Huggan
============


Clive - we're on the farm - the funny farm. Anyway, I eat fruit loops for
breakfast - he doesn't bother me, water off a duck's back.


I am 100% certain that my system is completely configured for UK English. I'd
settle for Aussie English because there's no difference - is there...? If you
can show me how to alter the Word global template so that the UK setting
sticks then I will paint myself green and gold and parade the streets
declaring Australia to be the best cricketing nation on the planet... (even
though we did let you win at Lord's... Well Glenny and Shane are getting on a
bit now, we didn't want them to be too embarrassed...)

And if you believe that, you'll believe anything....

Cheers

PP
xxx
 
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Tim

Busy? Funny, but you had plenty of time to post your usual garbage to the
office/publisher groups yesterday. didn't you?
 
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Clive Huggan

Comments inline.
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<snip>

I don't normally get deeply into dictionary queries -- Daiya, Beth and
Corentin, and John McGhie, are the experts, but that offer to parade in the
streets is *very* tempting (and subject to audit by one Elliott Roper,
exiled in the UK) ... ;-)

So I'll try to clarify a little and perhaps encourage Daiya, Beth et al, who
are closer to your time zone, to take over if they feel like doing so before
my time zone comes into wake-up mode again. I think I can help by posing a
few questions.
I am 100% certain that my system is completely configured for UK English.

As in when you installed the Mac OS, and when you installed Office -- you
nominated UK. OK.

And we are talking only about documents and templates *you* have created,
never created by others?

And you have more than the Normal template on which the document is based (a
darned good habit)?

And the 50% of the time is with a given template -- i.e., sometimes it's US
English and sometimes UK? (*That*, I have to say, is the bizarre bit.
Beth's post aimed to apply a quick, effective band-aid solution to any text
that wasn't UK English, to which mine was a follow-up. But I have never
experienced the language setting not "sticking" myself. Anyway, by way of
clarification, although you probably know it already, this is what John
McGhie once had to say):

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

CONSISTENCY WITH LANGUAGES

Word sets its language on the fly, paragraph by paragraph. The language
setting is stored in the style for each paragraph, and can be overridden by
the direct formatting applied to the paragraph.

[John was answering a query about templates with different languages --
i.e., deliberately so]-> You need to create a new template for each
language. In each template, set the default language to be the one you want
to work in. Then go through each style that you use and make sure that it
has adopted the change. If not, change the language of the style to be the
language of the template.

Then every time you create a new document from that particular template, the
language will be correct in every paragraph.

Getting the change to "stick" in an already-created document is a bit of
work, because you need to change the language in multiple places. You first
need to go through the styles and ensure that each of the ones in use or
likely to be used has the correct language. You then need to go through each
of the paragraphs in the document and check that it has not been
directly-formatted with a different language. Don't forget the headers and
footers, and the TOC.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The next thing I'd look at is the default language in your templates. Daiya
observed:

"Generally, when you set the default in Tools | Language, the *only* thing
it
affects is the Normal template and any new documents generated henceforth.
All the templates that came with Office, yes, are probably set to US
English. If you have a set of templates that you expect to use, you will
have to change the language formatting for each one. I think the best way to
do this will be to use Tools | Language and click Default *when in a
document based on the template*. Default will add that formatting to the
Normal style of the active template (at least that's what the message I got
said. If you have problems, open up the actual template and try it)."

That last comment is very appropriate. Have you opened up all your
template(s) and checked what language is set in Normal style?

You said:

"is there any way to alter the normal template and have it stick? I'm coming
from 2003 and you had the Language Tools and you could delete US English and
force UK (or whatever) to be the default and it would stick."

Yes, that's our experience too. Let us know what happens when you follow
Daiya's advice. If you don't get UK English, open the Normal template,
click in a Normal styled paragraph (unless you have got rid of them, which I
and others do), choose Format menu -> Style and try amending it there.
Repeat in your own templates.

Post back with those answers and perhaps things can be narrowed down from
there ...
I'd
settle for Aussie English because there's no difference - is there...?

The UK dictionary always gets caught up on Oodnagalarbie or Wagga Wagga
(kindly resist temptation to make droll comment about the latter -- I have
lived in that lovely town, and Bill Kerr, the "Boy from Wagga Wagga" on
Hancock's Half Hour, lives not far from it). Other than that, the only real
difference is the preference for always using "ise" and "isation" and never
the "z" version, no matter what. I variously use Australian and UK
dictionaries. But in no way was I suggesting that you use this variant of
the mother tongue ;-)
If you
can show me how to alter the Word global template so that the UK setting
sticks then I will paint myself green and gold and parade the streets
declaring Australia to be the best cricketing nation on the planet... (even
though we did let you win at Lord's... Well Glenny and Shane are getting on a
bit now, we didn't want them to be too embarrassed...)
<I deleted your next line and will deny it ever existed.>

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
============
 
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Beth Rosengard

Didn't Daiya answer that already :). Oh well ...

What you do is open your Normal template which you'll find in
User/Documents/ Microsoft User Data (MUD). Make the change to UK English
from Tools>Language. Save. Close Normal.

Now, every NEW document that you open will be set to UK English but
*previously-created* documents will not be changed retroactively. Also,
text copied from older documents into new ones may not be set for UK English
(depending on how you pasted them in). This means that, to be sure proofing
is working properly for UK English, you'll have to select all and change the
language setting for each pre-existing document.

--
***Please always reply to the newsgroup!***

Beth Rosengard
MacOffice MVP

Mac Word FAQ: <http://word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/index.htm>
(If using Safari, hit Refresh once or twice ­ or use another browser.)
Entourage Help Page: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org>
 

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