Abnormal Text Size In Normal View

[Rafael Montserrat]

Word for Mac 2004 v11.2
IBook G4
OS 10.4.6

Hi,

In Normal View, two things are happening,

1. I have Times New Roman 12 point as my default, but the letters are
appearing larger, as something like 16 point. I have selected all the text
on a page, and the Font and Font Size drop down menu stay at Times New Roman
12 point. That is, the drop down menus don't go blank. In Page Layout and
Online Layout Views, the text is as it should be.

2. Another thing happens in Normal View along with this false size text.

I will select anything, from one letter to the whole page of text, then
press apple-C to copy, then go to another application, such as the
dictionary or Safari, and without doing anything on that other application,
such as pasting, I return to my word Normal page, and what I have selected
will be bracketed with thick black brackets that don't match the font as
ordinary brackets in that font would. Also, these brackets can't be
selected, apple-A, apple-X, to erase them. So they can't be deleted.

I think this phenomena also happens when switching from the word page where
this is happening, to another word page and back, but I only saw this once
(maybe) and haven't been able to recreate it.

There are no brackets displayed in Page Layout and Online Layout Views.
Printing preview shows correctly, and pages print correctly from any view.

This has been happening for a few days now. Any suggestions?

Rafael

 

[Rafael Montserrat]

Quitting Word and reopening it doesn't make the problem go away.

Rafael


7/4/06 4:51 PM

 

[Rafael Montserrat]

If I select-copy (or cut) then scroll to the bottom of the text and paste,
the new pasted text is free of brackets.

Pasting into a new document also removes the brackets.

In neither case does the unusually large appearance of the font change.

Rafael


7/4/06 5:04 PM

 

[Rafael Montserrat]

Just now I've found another glitch.

I wrote a one page document about an hour ago, closed it, and saved it to my
desktop. I just now opened it and instead of Times New Roman 12, it is
Courier 12. In addition, and for the first time, the side margins, which
are defaulted to .5 inch, have changed to about 1/4 inch.

Courier, size and bracket problem are true for Page Layout View.

This time Print Preview has picked up the deformities.

Rafael


7/4/06 6:16 PM

 

[Rafael Montserrat]

Please excuse the excessive emailing, but this problem keeps revealing more
of itself.

I select/copied the deformed courier 12 document that appeared in the saved
word documents, and pasted it into a new word document, and it pasted as
Times New Roman 12 in Normal and Page Setup Views. The bracket phenomena
still happens, though.

Rafael


7/4/06 6:44 PM

 

[John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]]

Hi Rafael:

You can ignore the brackets: that's just an OLE mark that Word places as
part of the Copy process.

The formatting you are seeing comes from two places: Direct Formatting, and
Style formatting. The result is the combination of the two. So to discuss
this further, we would need to know what the properties of the styles in use
are, as well as the properties you "see".

What you "see" is the final result, but it's formatting on formatting. For
example, if your style is set to 12 points Courier and your direct
formatting to "larger" you will indeed see 16 points Courier.

Once a document has been created, the formatting stays in it unless you
change it.

Regards

Please excuse the excessive emailing, but this problem keeps revealing more
of itself.

I select/copied the deformed courier 12 document that appeared in the saved
word documents, and pasted it into a new word document, and it pasted as
Times New Roman 12 in Normal and Page Setup Views. The bracket phenomena
still happens, though.

Rafael


7/4/06 6:44 PM

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[Rafael Montserrat]

Word for Mac 2004 v11.2
IBook G4
OS 10.4.6

Hi McGhie,

I need to understand what you mean by "... what the properties of the styles
in use are, as well as the properties you "see" for me to send you the
information you need.

Also, I don't understand what you mean when you say "You can ignore the
brackets: that's just an OLE mark that Word places as part of the Copy
process." The marks have never appeared for me before in Word as part of
the copy process. Also, I can't get rid of them, and they're ugly.

Thanks,

Rafael




7/5/06 3:44 AM

 

[John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]]

Hi Rafael:

Hi McGhie,

It's "John" unless you want me to be rude back "McGhie" is what my
drill sergeant used to call me. I never liked him either ...

I need to understand what you mean by "... what the properties of the styles
in use are, as well as the properties you "see" for me to send you the
information you need.

Please read the Word Help topic "About formatting text by using styles"

Also, I don't understand what you mean when you say "You can ignore the
brackets: that's just an OLE mark that Word places as part of the Copy
process." The marks have never appeared for me before in Word as part of
the copy process. Also, I can't get rid of them, and they're ugly.

Yes, they have never "appeared" before, but they've always been there. Have
a look in Word>Preferences>View. Play with the settings in there: I think
turning "Bookmarks" off will hide them for you. Otherwise, try "Text
Boundaries" and "Object anchors". It's one of them.

Basically, the brackets are a bookmark, but they were supposed to be
invisible. For some reason (bug...) they're not in Word 2004. Try to
ignore them -- they don't print.

Cheers

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[Rafael Montserrat]

Hi John,

Sorry about that. I thought I saw it at the end of one of your letters.
I've never been in the army. Must need new glasses. I'll read the article
and get back.

Best,

Rafael


7/8/06 11:14 PM

 

[John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]]

Hi Rafael:

Get down and give me twenty

Let me know if you have any problems figuring it out. The problem you have
is that there are two sources of formatting: the formatting you apply
directly to the selection, and the style you may or may not have applied
underneath it. The resulting formatting is the product of both, so to solve
these problems, you have to know what has been set in the style.

Cheers

Hi John,

Sorry about that. I thought I saw it at the end of one of your letters.
I've never been in the army. Must need new glasses. I'll read the article
and get back.

Best,

Rafael


7/8/06 11:14 PM

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