adding "floating notes"

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Scott

Is there a way to add note to a document that aren't anchored to any
particular text? Hidden notes are fine (and, I suppose, preferable). I'd
like something more extensive than the Comments section in Properties...
field.

I don't think the Scrapbook will help; these notes need to travel with
the one document, from computer to computer.
 
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PhilD

Scott said:
Is there a way to add note to a document that aren't anchored to any
particular text? Hidden notes are fine (and, I suppose, preferable). I'd
like something more extensive than the Comments section in Properties...
field.

I don't think the Scrapbook will help; these notes need to travel with
the one document, from computer to computer.


If I have understood correctly what you want, it sounds like you want
text boxes.

There again I may have misundertood...

PhilD
 
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Daiya Mitchell

Hmmm....

In the past, I have used Footnotes and the Comments feature (part of Track
Changes/Reviewing) for this, but both of those are anchored to specific
text.

Otherwise, I tend to just page break at the end or beginning and type some
comments straight out (this is for student papers).

This would be handy, I hope someone comes up with something better.
 
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CyberTaz

Hi Scott -

What you seem to want is practically impossible in Word because *everything*
in the doc has to be anchored to text in some way.

You can insert Comments & employ several options to minimize their
appearance.

Theoretically you can create a text box with No Line & No Fill, format the
text in it as Hidden (or maybe White), but something like that would
probably be just as hard for you to find as it would be for anyone else. The
text box would still have to be anchored to text.

Another option based on Daiya's suggestion wouldbe to format the 'note' text
as Hidden so that it would not display or print unless the Show/Hide
Non-printing Characters is turned on - btu that also leaves the content
visible to anyone who opens the doc & clicks a button.

I'm not sure whether creating Sections for the Hidden text & applying
Protection would serve the purpose or not.

If you can be more specific re your objective perhaps someone can offer
other ideas.
 
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Scott

CyberTaz said:
What you seem to want is practically impossible in Word because *everything*
in the doc has to be anchored to text in some way.

You can insert Comments & employ several options to minimize their
appearance.

Theoretically you can create a text box with No Line & No Fill, format the
text in it as Hidden (or maybe White), but something like that would
probably be just as hard for you to find as it would be for anyone else. The
text box would still have to be anchored to text.

Another option based on Daiya's suggestion wouldbe to format the 'note' text
as Hidden so that it would not display or print unless the Show/Hide
Non-printing Characters is turned on - btu that also leaves the content
visible to anyone who opens the doc & clicks a button.

The problem I'm trying to overcome is that with the standard solutions,
the note may be buried pages and pages back. I'll think of some text
that I won't put in, but it's not appropriate at that particular point.
If I add a text box then, it'll be exasperating to find again when I
need it, perhaps a dozen or more pages later. It's not a comment on that
particular section; it's text to be inserted much later.

Currently, I just add it to the end and put several blank lines in
between it and the real end of the text. However, I have several of
these things there now. That means I go to the end of the (250 page)
document, then slowly scroll back up past the notes until I find the
true end. When I find the point I need the text, I scroll back down,
find the particular section I need, and move it into place.

I don't care who can SEE it, I just need it accessible no matter where I
am in the document. So far, the only solution I can think of is to
create another document and stick the various notes in there.
 
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CyberTaz

Word has nothing to offer in that regard. Anything you have in any given doc
is tied to the doc content in some way, so it will stay [kinda] where you
create it unless you drag it along as you go.

Your workaround is one approach, but have you tried using OS X's Stickies
application? You can make each note 'float' so it stays in the foreground
regardless of what app you switch to or where you are in a doc window. The
Sticky Note stays where you put it until you move it. They can also be made
semi-transparent, formatted, color-coded & arranged in a number of ways. The
Stickies app also has a number of other features as well. You can save them
as text files or you can just Quit the app anytime & they will reappear in
the same spots the next time you launch it. You can even include graphics &
Export RTFs & RTFDs as well as text files - quite a treat for free :) I'm
not sure if there is a limit to the amount of content for each note, but if
there is it's well in excess of several pages - I've imported a formatted
7-page Word doc to a Sticky Note with no problem.

HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac
 
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Scott

CyberTaz said:
Your workaround is one approach, but have you tried using OS X's Stickies
application? You can make each note 'float' so it stays in the foreground
regardless of what app you switch to or where you are in a doc window. The
Sticky Note stays where you put it until you move it. They can also be made
semi-transparent, formatted, color-coded & arranged in a number of ways. The
Stickies app also has a number of other features as well. You can save them
as text files or you can just Quit the app anytime & they will reappear in
the same spots the next time you launch it. You can even include graphics &
Export RTFs & RTFDs as well as text files - quite a treat for free :) I'm
not sure if there is a limit to the amount of content for each note, but if
there is it's well in excess of several pages - I've imported a formatted
7-page Word doc to a Sticky Note with no problem.


The problem with this is that it doesn't permit one of the basic
requirements I had in the original post: to travel with the document
when it's moved between computers.
 
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Daiya Mitchell

The problem with this is that it doesn't permit one of the basic
requirements I had in the original post: to travel with the document
when it's moved between computers.

Well, you sounded like you did some cleaning up and moving stuff around
before sending the doc on, and Stickies would be an easier holding spot than
the end of the doc.

I'd go with a second doc, myself--in fact, that's what I usually do when
writing comments for people, even if I wind up pasting it into the original
doc to email. I often use this approach in conjunction with the Reviewing
features of Track Changes and Comments.

Alternatively, use Window | New Window for a second view into the same doc,
to view both the notes at the end and portion you are reading in
side-by-side windows.

Outline View or the Document Map might speed up the scrolling in a 250 page
document:
Save hours with Outline View
http://word.mvps.org/faqs/formatting/UsingOLView.htm
(hit reload a few times in Safari, or use a different browser)

Doc Map:
http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/documentmap/index.html

Doc Map Caveats:
http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/DocumentMap.htm
(hit reload a few times in Safari, or use a different browser)
 
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CyberTaz

And as stated in my original reply to that post Word has no facility for
doing so.

I as well as others have been offering alternative solutions. If the only
acceptable condition is to have everything included in one package the only
other option I can suggest is that you shop around for another program that
offers the features you require.

BTW - You're welcome.
 
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Scott

CyberTaz said:
And as stated in my original reply to that post Word has no facility for
doing so.

I as well as others have been offering alternative solutions. If the only
acceptable condition is to have everything included in one package the only
other option I can suggest is that you shop around for another program that
offers the features you require.

BTW - You're welcome.


This was an uncalled for response. I stated my requirements in the
original post. I said "I don't think the Scrapbook will help; these
notes need to travel with the one document, from computer to computer."
How would stickies be an improvement? You want me to say "thank you" for
telling me to use stickies?

I'd give thanks when a resolution was reached, even if it just meant
thanking for efforts... unless it has to be turned into an unpleasant
experience. So to those who tried to help without snide comments, thank
you.

If Word can't do it, fine. You asked me what I needed to do, and I
answered. There's no need to get snarky and tell me to get another
program.
 
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John McGhie [MVP -- Word and Word Mac]

Hi Scott:

Bob wasn't being snarky: he was noting that Word won't do this (at least,
not 'nicely'). But Bob has afforded you the courtesy of assuming that your
requirement hasn't gone away just because Word won't do it, so he suggested
that you look for a different program.

I will make some other suggestions: I think each is an equally poor fit for
your requirement, but look them up in the Help and have a play with them.
You might be able to "make do"...

The first is Custom Document Properties. These are stored within the
document. You can have as many as you like, and they are not anchored to
text, so you can use them to store whatever you like, and give each item a
meaningful name. However, you cannot use formatting in them, and the
character set is ANSI not Unicode, so you can't use special or international
characters either.

The second is "Document Variables". These are best used for pieces of text
you do not want end users fiddling with, but need to make available to
yourself. They can be placed or retrieved only by macros. They are
designed for persistent storage of macro variables, but you can put anything
you like into them. End-users will never find them, let alone change them
on you. Like document properties, they're ANSI text only, no formatting or
funny characters.

The mechanism designed for this is AutoText. It doesn't travel with the
*Document*, it travels in the document's *Template*. Not good if you want
to email documents around the place, but fine if you want to carry text from
document to document on a single workstation.

AutoText is readily available from the user interface, and you can stick
pieces of formatted text in to it as separate pieces, then bring them out
again wherever you like.
There is also a macro named 'Spike' that automates this process by cutting
pieces of text and appending them into the autotext storage area of the
document, from which you can bring them out and paste them whenever you need
them.

There's a really horrible kludge you can use: the Running Footer. You can
stick whatever you like in the running footer (up to a page-full!).
Formatting and Unicode are fine. It travels with the document and floats
below the text. OK for short items.

On the other hand, you may be able to accomplish what you need using
Bookmarks. When you find a bit of text in the wrong place, surround it with
a named bookmark. Then when you get to the place you need it, type a space,
then use the GoTo command to go to the bookmark. The GoTo command will
select the bookmark. Hit Cut, then Shift + F5 to skip you back where you
were, and Paste. That leaves the text where it was, out of sight until you
need it, but enables you to go and get it with a couple of keystrokes when
you want it.

Or: You can continue to do what you are currently doing, but learn to use
the Window menu to open a second wndow into the current document. Hit GoTo
End in the second window, and all your "stored stuff" is sitting there.
Come back to the main window and continue your editing. When you want to
add or subtract a bit of stored text, Ctrl + F6 to switch back and forth
between windows...

But I think what you are really looking for is "Collect and Paste". This is
implemented badly in PC Word, and not at all in Mac Word. It collects
multiple items, but they're all in the clipboard, not the document, so you
lose them when Word closes.

Hope this helps
 

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