Adding language translation to website

K

Karin

I just visited a website: http://www.rauchsminiaturehorses.net/

On the website you can have the webpages translated into several different
languages. It is somehow done through google. I would like add this to my
website. How would I do it? I have Publisher 2003.
Thank you in advance.
karin
 
K

Karin

So does that mean I can't add some sort of language translation thing to my
website/Publisher03?
 
R

Rob Giordano \(Crash\)

Maybe, but we'd have to see your website...post the URL.

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression





| So does that mean I can't add some sort of language translation thing to
my
| website/Publisher03?
|
| "DavidF" wrote:
|
| > That is not a Publisher website. Look at the code.
| >
| > DavidF
| >
| > | > >I just visited a website: http://www.rauchsminiaturehorses.net/
| > >
| > > On the website you can have the webpages translated into several
different
| > > languages. It is somehow done through google. I would like add this
to my
| > > website. How would I do it? I have Publisher 2003.
| > > Thank you in advance.
| > > karin
| >
| >
| >
 
R

Rob Giordano \(Crash\)

Should work ok;
http://translate.google.com/transla...s.com/index.htm&langpair=en|fr&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Reason I asked is that if Pub transforms your text into images it may not
work.

rob

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression





| Hello Rob - My web address is: www.nakarminiatures.com
|
|
| "Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:
|
| > Maybe, but we'd have to see your website...post the URL.
| >
| > --
| > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| > Rob Giordano
| > Microsoft MVP Expression
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > | > | So does that mean I can't add some sort of language translation thing
to
| > my
| > | website/Publisher03?
| > |
| > | "DavidF" wrote:
| > |
| > | > That is not a Publisher website. Look at the code.
| > | >
| > | > DavidF
| > | >
| > | > | > | > >I just visited a website: http://www.rauchsminiaturehorses.net/
| > | > >
| > | > > On the website you can have the webpages translated into several
| > different
| > | > > languages. It is somehow done through google. I would like add
this
| > to my
| > | > > website. How would I do it? I have Publisher 2003.
| > | > > Thank you in advance.
| > | > > karin
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| >
| >
| >
 
K

Karin

Okay, Rob - Now what do I do with what you have? Do I insert this somewhere
in my website/publisher? Sorry, I am not very computer literate with this
stuff.
Karin
 
K

Karin

Oh, I forgot. The website that I listed as an example has a "logo" on its
main page for people to choose a language. How do I insert that too?
 
K

Karin

You're right David. Really messed up in FF. I don't think what Rob posted is
exactly what the "sample" website is using or has on it.
I found a script at:
http://tips-for-new-bloggers.blogspot.com/2007/03/language-translation-flags-and-script.html

I copied and inserted it to the HTML code fragment in my web publication.
When I do a web preview the logo shows up like I want but when you click for
a particlar language I get an error message.

Google Error
Sorry, this URL is invalid
http:/C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/ksantangelo/Local%20Settings/Temporary%20Internet%20Files/Content.MSO/PubWebPagePreview/pub3188.1/index.htm

Something must be missing. Or maybe it has to actually be uploaded to the
web first? Any suggestions?
 
R

Rob Giordano \(Crash\)

Well, generally what you would do is duplicate your pages that you want
translated and put them in a folder for that language, or a sub web...it'd
would be a total duplicate of your entire website but in spanish, then put
links for sub webs on each page. Not sure you'd be able to do this
effectively with Publisher (never tried it).

You could use the Google translation as a guide for each language.

Systranet.com used to offer a free page translation that you could put a
button on your page for, but I don't think it's free anymore...but there's
probably other sites that offer basic translation service....Google !



--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression





| Oh, I forgot. The website that I listed as an example has a "logo" on its
| main page for people to choose a language. How do I insert that too?
|
| "Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:
|
| > Should work ok;
| >
http://translate.google.com/transla...s.com/index.htm&langpair=en|fr&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
| >
| > Reason I asked is that if Pub transforms your text into images it may
not
| > work.
| >
| > rob
| >
| > --
| > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| > Rob Giordano
| > Microsoft MVP Expression
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > | > | Hello Rob - My web address is: www.nakarminiatures.com
| > |
| > |
| > | "Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:
| > |
| > | > Maybe, but we'd have to see your website...post the URL.
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| > | > Rob Giordano
| > | > Microsoft MVP Expression
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | > | So does that mean I can't add some sort of language translation
thing
| > to
| > | > my
| > | > | website/Publisher03?
| > | > |
| > | > | "DavidF" wrote:
| > | > |
| > | > | > That is not a Publisher website. Look at the code.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > DavidF
| > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > >I just visited a website:
http://www.rauchsminiaturehorses.net/
| > | > | > >
| > | > | > > On the website you can have the webpages translated into
several
| > | > different
| > | > | > > languages. It is somehow done through google. I would like
add
| > this
| > | > to my
| > | > | > > website. How would I do it? I have Publisher 2003.
| > | > | > > Thank you in advance.
| > | > | > > karin
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| >
| >
| >
 
R

Rob Giordano \(Crash\)

What I posted was merely a test to see if you site could be translated.



--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression





| You're right David. Really messed up in FF. I don't think what Rob posted
is
| exactly what the "sample" website is using or has on it.
| I found a script at:
|
http://tips-for-new-bloggers.blogspot.com/2007/03/language-translation-flags-and-script.html
|
| I copied and inserted it to the HTML code fragment in my web publication.
| When I do a web preview the logo shows up like I want but when you click
for
| a particlar language I get an error message.
|
| Google Error
| Sorry, this URL is invalid
|
http:/C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/ksantangelo/Local%20Settings/Temporary%20Internet%20Files/Content.MSO/PubWebPagePreview/pub3188.1/index.htm
|
| Something must be missing. Or maybe it has to actually be uploaded to the
| web first? Any suggestions?
|
|
| "Karin" wrote:
|
| > I just visited a website: http://www.rauchsminiaturehorses.net/
| >
| > On the website you can have the webpages translated into several
different
| > languages. It is somehow done through google. I would like add this to
my
| > website. How would I do it? I have Publisher 2003.
| > Thank you in advance.
| > karin
 
K

Karin

Gosh, duplicating my web pages for each language is a bit more than I think
want to tackle.
Thank you for your input, Rob.
 
D

DavidF

Karin,

I tried the code snippet you referenced and uploaded it to a test site. It
does work...sorta....sometimes. Most of the page I uploaded is translated
fairly well, but not all the text. Also, some of the links don't work, in
that they take me to my regular pages in English.

I think Rob was saying in his post that the best way to use this is to
translate all the text using the tool, and create separate sites or pages in
the alternative languages. The reason the original page worked ok was that
the pages were exceptionally simple. Note also the link you gave me is
talking about translating a blog page which would be primarily text with no
special formatting, special fonts or special layout. You are using some non
web fonts, that won't be translated. Furthermore, I don't think that even if
you get your snippet to work, it will render the pages correctly in FF. I
used Pub 2000 for a test, and it worked pretty well, but my Pub 2003 test
did not work in FF. The Publisher 2003 code just doesn't seem to render
correctly in FF after going through the Google translation process. Your
mileage may vary...

But to continue, I think Rob was suggesting using the service to translate
your text to a different language and then using that translated text in
multiple Publisher files. Then you would Publish to the web, and upload
those alternative language versions to subfolders on your host, and cross
link the versions. One of the challenges is that you will have to write the
links in the alternative language. You are talking about a lot of work.

Here is an example of a Spanish and English version of a Publisher built
website: http://www.somoscapazes.org/
where the primary site is in Spanish, and the second language is built with
a second Publisher file, and then uploaded to a subfolder "english". Just
click on the "English" link in the upper left corner of the default Spanish
version (http://www.somoscapazes.org/english/index.htm), and "Espanol" on
the English version. You would create subfolders to contain your other
language versions.

Here is another two language site where the site is organized a bit
different:
http://www.bollnascamping.se/
Just study how the links are written to understand how the directory is
organized.

I do think that in both these examples you have bilingual people who wrote
the two versions, and understand the subtle and major differences in the
languages. One risk you have is not knowing exactly what the Google
translation really says.

Anyway, if you get a multi-language site built, let us know. It would be fun
to see how you do it.

And before I go...congrats on getting your main site redone correctly....

DavidF
 
R

Rob Giordano \(Crash\)

Yep. Keeping in mind that mechanical translations are usually not very good.
I've had best luck by keeping sentence structure simple and working them
back and forth in the translator (tedious at best), of course a basic
understanding of the language really helps.




--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression





| Karin,
|
| I tried the code snippet you referenced and uploaded it to a test site. It
| does work...sorta....sometimes. Most of the page I uploaded is translated
| fairly well, but not all the text. Also, some of the links don't work, in
| that they take me to my regular pages in English.
|
| I think Rob was saying in his post that the best way to use this is to
| translate all the text using the tool, and create separate sites or pages
in
| the alternative languages. The reason the original page worked ok was that
| the pages were exceptionally simple. Note also the link you gave me is
| talking about translating a blog page which would be primarily text with
no
| special formatting, special fonts or special layout. You are using some
non
| web fonts, that won't be translated. Furthermore, I don't think that even
if
| you get your snippet to work, it will render the pages correctly in FF. I
| used Pub 2000 for a test, and it worked pretty well, but my Pub 2003 test
| did not work in FF. The Publisher 2003 code just doesn't seem to render
| correctly in FF after going through the Google translation process. Your
| mileage may vary...
|
| But to continue, I think Rob was suggesting using the service to translate
| your text to a different language and then using that translated text in
| multiple Publisher files. Then you would Publish to the web, and upload
| those alternative language versions to subfolders on your host, and cross
| link the versions. One of the challenges is that you will have to write
the
| links in the alternative language. You are talking about a lot of work.
|
| Here is an example of a Spanish and English version of a Publisher built
| website: http://www.somoscapazes.org/
| where the primary site is in Spanish, and the second language is built
with
| a second Publisher file, and then uploaded to a subfolder "english". Just
| click on the "English" link in the upper left corner of the default
Spanish
| version (http://www.somoscapazes.org/english/index.htm), and "Espanol" on
| the English version. You would create subfolders to contain your other
| language versions.
|
| Here is another two language site where the site is organized a bit
| different:
| http://www.bollnascamping.se/
| Just study how the links are written to understand how the directory is
| organized.
|
| I do think that in both these examples you have bilingual people who wrote
| the two versions, and understand the subtle and major differences in the
| languages. One risk you have is not knowing exactly what the Google
| translation really says.
|
| Anyway, if you get a multi-language site built, let us know. It would be
fun
| to see how you do it.
|
| And before I go...congrats on getting your main site redone correctly....
|
| DavidF
|
|
|
| | > You're right David. Really messed up in FF. I don't think what Rob
posted
| > is
| > exactly what the "sample" website is using or has on it.
| > I found a script at:
| >
http://tips-for-new-bloggers.blogspot.com/2007/03/language-translation-flags-and-script.html
| >
| > I copied and inserted it to the HTML code fragment in my web
publication.
| > When I do a web preview the logo shows up like I want but when you click
| > for
| > a particlar language I get an error message.
| >
| > Google Error
| > Sorry, this URL is invalid
| >
http:/C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/ksantangelo/Local%20Settings/Temporary%20Internet%20Files/Content.MSO/PubWebPagePreview/pub3188.1/index.htm
| >
| > Something must be missing. Or maybe it has to actually be uploaded to
the
| > web first? Any suggestions?
| >
| >
| > "Karin" wrote:
| >
| >> I just visited a website: http://www.rauchsminiaturehorses.net/
| >>
| >> On the website you can have the webpages translated into several
| >> different
| >> languages. It is somehow done through google. I would like add this to
| >> my
| >> website. How would I do it? I have Publisher 2003.
| >> Thank you in advance.
| >> karin
|
|
 
R

Rob Giordano \(Crash\)

You're welcome. To do it properly though that is what it is going to
take...and don't rely on mechanical translators either!

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression





| Gosh, duplicating my web pages for each language is a bit more than I
think
| want to tackle.
| Thank you for your input, Rob.
|
| "Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:
|
| > Well, generally what you would do is duplicate your pages that you want
| > translated and put them in a folder for that language, or a sub
web...it'd
| > would be a total duplicate of your entire website but in spanish, then
put
| > links for sub webs on each page. Not sure you'd be able to do this
| > effectively with Publisher (never tried it).
| >
| > You could use the Google translation as a guide for each language.
| >
| > Systranet.com used to offer a free page translation that you could put a
| > button on your page for, but I don't think it's free anymore...but
there's
| > probably other sites that offer basic translation service....Google !
| >
| >
| >
| > --
| > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| > Rob Giordano
| > Microsoft MVP Expression
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > | > | Oh, I forgot. The website that I listed as an example has a "logo" on
its
| > | main page for people to choose a language. How do I insert that too?
| > |
| > | "Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:
| > |
| > | > Should work ok;
| > | >
| >
http://translate.google.com/transla...s.com/index.htm&langpair=en|fr&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
| > | >
| > | > Reason I asked is that if Pub transforms your text into images it
may
| > not
| > | > work.
| > | >
| > | > rob
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| > | > Rob Giordano
| > | > Microsoft MVP Expression
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | > | Hello Rob - My web address is: www.nakarminiatures.com
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | "Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:
| > | > |
| > | > | > Maybe, but we'd have to see your website...post the URL.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > --
| > | > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| > | > | > Rob Giordano
| > | > | > Microsoft MVP Expression
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | So does that mean I can't add some sort of language
translation
| > thing
| > | > to
| > | > | > my
| > | > | > | website/Publisher03?
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | "DavidF" wrote:
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > That is not a Publisher website. Look at the code.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > DavidF
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > >I just visited a website:
| > http://www.rauchsminiaturehorses.net/
| > | > | > | > >
| > | > | > | > > On the website you can have the webpages translated into
| > several
| > | > | > different
| > | > | > | > > languages. It is somehow done through google. I would
like
| > add
| > | > this
| > | > | > to my
| > | > | > | > > website. How would I do it? I have Publisher 2003.
| > | > | > | > > Thank you in advance.
| > | > | > | > > karin
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| >
| >
| >
 
K

Karin

Thank you Rob and David. I think some of the words didn't translate
properly because I may have them saved as images instead of text. It sounds
like it may be more work than I might want to tackle at this time.
 

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