All of my posts got deleted

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CLR

Hi All.......

Really strange thing.......I got up this morning and noticed that ALL of my
posts have been deleted from this newsgroup. There were well over a hundred
in the last few months and now they are all missing. The other Newsgroups
seem fine. Only on this one are they missing. Anybody know anything other
than "they have been having trouble"? Is this a permanent situation?
Is anybody else missing posts?

Hopefully, they will be restored, huh?

Vaya con Dios,
Chuck, CABGx3
 
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Anders S

Something is wrong here today.

Using OE, all day I have been at the most 23 hours behind the Google groups.
I have always been connected to news.microsoft.com and it usually updates OE in
minutes. I tried msnews.microsoft.com, but it made no difference.
A few minutes ago I seemed to be updated but every header I clicked said the
message had been removed from the server.
Changed back to news.microsoft.com and here I am now.

Hope you get your messages back Chuck,

Anders Silvén
 
H

Harlan Grove

Really strange thing.......I got up this morning and noticed that ALL of my
posts have been deleted from this newsgroup. There were well over a hundred
in the last few months and now they are all missing. The other Newsgroups
seem fine. Only on this one are they missing. Anybody know anything other
than "they have been having trouble"? Is this a permanent situation?
Is anybody else missing posts?

Google shows 76 threads in which you've participated from 1-Jul to 30-Sep in
*.misc - 39 in July, 11 in August, and 26 in September. Note: this is threads
count, so if you posted several replies in some threads, your total count would
be higher.

FWIW, most ISP newsservers don't store more than a week or two of posts to any
newsgroup. If you want to see what you've sent, you could e-mail yourself your
posts. Then again, most newsreader software packages store your sent messages,
though not necessarily in threaded form. You probably do have copies of what you
sent. If you want to see them in context, there's always Google.
 
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Anders S

BTW,

Does anyone know the difference (if any) between news.microsoft.com and
msnews.microsoft.com?

Anders Silvén
 
C

CLR

Thanks for the come-back Harlan, but it's not just a matter of exactly how
many posts it is that are missing..........or that an ISP has taken the old
ones off...........they are ALL missing, and only from the .misc
group.......and even the two that I put on there this evening, they showed
up, and then a few minutes later they were taken off.......some kind of a
filter has evidently been applied and is stripping them off.

Vaya con Dios,
Chuck, CABGx3
 
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Harald Staff

Hi Anders

I believe "news" is a mirror of "msnews". They should be identical, with
"ms" split seconds ahead.

As for the NG problems, they have been severe the last days. Think the
server has some problems, it has happened from time to time.
 
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Anders S

Hi Harald,

What puzzles me is that Google was way ahead of "news" and "msnews".
If the Microsoft servers are the source of everything, how come Google has newer
info?

Maybe "news" and "msnews" have "transparent" mirrors which are not updated
properly.

Today, I am (in Sweden) about two hours behind most messages. My own posts show
up in minutes, while others are about two hours old when I see them.

Best regards
Anders Silvén
 
J

J.E. McGimpsey

That's not how newsgroups work. MS servers are not "the source of
everything". It's the "source" only of posts that are made directly
to that server.

Disclaimer: Below I'm not trying for technical accuracy as much as
explaining the gist of what is going on, AFAIK.

When you post, your NNTP-Posting-Host server sends the message to
the server you designate, which assigns a message-ID. That message
is then forwarded to any of a host of other servers.

Likewise, each server may take the feed from one or more other
servers. If the message is a duplicate, the server ignores it,
otherwise it adds it to the store.

Since MS is a hosted newsgroup, many or most newsservers slurp
directly from msnews's output. But they also may slurp from other
servers. Servers have different update periods, varying from minutes
to days, which is why, from time to time, you may see a reply arrive
before the original post (if the original's path to your server is
more convoluted than the replyer's).

The process is also asymmetric within servers, which is why I can
see messages posted to msnews that those trying to read from msnews
can't. I'm not positive what the msnews configuration is, but if
it's typical of other server farms, when you post to msnews, you
connect to a "slave" server. That server then forwards the message
to a central "master" server where the messageID is applied. The
message is the forwarded, or available for slurping, from other
servers. The master then propagates the message to all the slave
servers.

Normally, this posting process is just about instantaneous. The MS
servers now, however, are completely out of sync. Depending on the
number of messages retained, rebuilding the synch tables can take
hours. So for now, if you download the headers from slave1, then try
to retrieve a message, you may end up connecting to slave2 which
hasn't received it yet, and you'll get a "message is no longer on
this server" error. Also, depending on the configuration, messages
posted during the rebuid may be lost or delayed for hours.

You can get a little more consistency if you telnet into a
particular server, instead of using a newsreader. But that doesn't
help if the slaves aren't getting updated.

You can get a lot more consistency if you connect to another server
- I'm using qwest.net right now. Whether you get updated regularly
or not is a matter of how often the server is updated and what other
servers it connects to.
 
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Anders S

Thank you J.E for your long and informative answer.
What I wrote was limited to the microsoft.public... groups, I thought all
microsoft messages were first stored at Microsoft, then distributed to other
servers.

Since abour an hour ago, I seem to be in sync with the .excel. groups, which
means that a lot of headers suddenly appeared. For example, I can see that there
has been the usual heavy traffic in .programming the last couple of hours -
traffic of which I have not seen a single message.
(That explains why I have replied to questions that were already answered)

Now that Microsoft has problems with syncing their servers, it looks like it is
a regional thing that I see. I am in Sweden (GMT+1, btw.) and when I try to
reach news.microsoft.com, perhaps I am connected to an European mirror that is
not updated, whereas it is business as usual in the US.

Just some thoughts,

Best regards
Anders Silvén
 

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