Annotating existing audio/video

[Daniel Hawkins]

In OneNote 2007, annotating existing audio/video should be possible. I
realize that inserting audio is possible and taking new notes works, but you
have to create a copy of the file in order to do this - having duplicates of
everything is not my cup of tea. I prefer to keep all of my related audio
(lectures) in the same folder, for easy backup, transfer etc.

Although OneNote 2007 includes annotating existing audio, the same is not
true for video. I have a monitor at home to which I can connect my tablet.
Being able to play a video on the monitor while taking notes on the tablet in
OneNote, and syncing those together would be spectacular. I am a physics
student and there is an increasing amount of free video lecture material on
the internet (MIT Open CourseWare for one) and being able to annotate those
video lectures just as I would a live lecture would be incredible.

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[Rainald Taesler]

Daniel Hawkins shared these words of wisdom:

In OneNote 2007, annotating existing audio/video should be
possible. I realize that inserting audio is possible and taking
new notes works, but you have to create a copy of the file in
order to do this - having duplicates of everything is not my cup
of tea. I prefer to keep all of my related audio (lectures) in
the same folder, for easy backup, transfer etc.

OK. So just do not insert the file into ON, just put a link there.
In a file-manager (Explorer) copy the file to the Clipboard, then
paste it into ON.
You are prompted with a dialog to select whether to add a link or
copy.

[...] I have a monitor at home to which I
can connect my tablet. Being able to play a video on the monitor
while taking notes on the tablet in OneNote, and syncing those
together would be spectacular.

Seems too easy. Am I missing something?
- Set the external monitor to "extended desktop" mode (in the display
properties applet);
- click on he link in your notebook to open the video viewing
application,
- move it to the external monitor and watch the video there,
- enter your comments in the notebook on the tablet.

Rainald

 

[Erik Sojka (MVP)]

When this has been asked in the past (annotating an existing audio file)
the suggestion has been to see if you can "loop" the audio input/output
so that ON treats it as live audio.

Maybe there is a way to do that with video - play the file, and have that
looped into the input. That particular function is not something I'm
familiar with, so maybe someone else can pipe up about specifics.

That's a great suggestion, though and hopefully it can be included in a
future version.

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[Rainald Taesler]

Erik Sojka (MVP) shared these words of wisdom:

Erik, obviously I had a totally understanding of the OP's question and
the meaning of "annotating" than you :-( :-(

When this has been asked in the past (annotating an existing
audio file) the suggestion has been to see if you can "loop" the
audio input/output so that ON treats it as live audio.

What do you mean by "loop" in so far?
What does this concept mean?
Inserting something (some spoken remarks) into an existing audio?

Or would mean to just another audio object on a page in order to be
including in playback of the audio object on a page?

Just clueless :-( :-(

Rainald

 

[Daniel Hawkins]

For the audio, the only way the audio plays is if the file is actually in ON.
I tried pasting a link, but then you do not have option to play the file.
By the way I'm using ON 2007 beta. This lets me take notes on existing
audio, without looping. This feature works well, but like I said, it creates
a duplicate file in the ON directory. That's just a minor irritation and not
that big a deal.

The real problem is the video. While ON2007 now lets you write notes that
sync with existing audio (something not built-in with ON2003), the same is
not true of video recordings. I did have my system set up the way you
described Rainald, I know how to use extended desktop that wasn't the
problem. Playing the video and taking notes with ON is possible, but not the
extremely useful syncing feature present in live audio/video recordings and
now (with ON2007) existing audio. I have seen something about a looping
process using a virtual camera via third party software, but that just seems
way too much trouble for a relatively simple job.

Daniel Hawkins shared these words of wisdom:

In OneNote 2007, annotating existing audio/video should be
possible. I realize that inserting audio is possible and taking
new notes works, but you have to create a copy of the file in
order to do this - having duplicates of everything is not my cup
of tea. I prefer to keep all of my related audio (lectures) in
the same folder, for easy backup, transfer etc.

OK. So just do not insert the file into ON, just put a link there.
In a file-manager (Explorer) copy the file to the Clipboard, then
paste it into ON.
You are prompted with a dialog to select whether to add a link or
copy.

[...] I have a monitor at home to which I
can connect my tablet. Being able to play a video on the monitor
while taking notes on the tablet in OneNote, and syncing those
together would be spectacular.

Seems too easy. Am I missing something?
- Set the external monitor to "extended desktop" mode (in the display
properties applet);
- click on he link in your notebook to open the video viewing
application,
- move it to the external monitor and watch the video there,
- enter your comments in the notebook on the tablet.

Rainald

 

[Rainald Taesler]

Daniel Hawkins shared these words of wisdom:

Thanks for the reply, Daniel.
Seems that I was only right when I said:
" Seems too easy. Am I missing something?"

Obviously we seem to speak of different things and I did not
understand what you men with the term "annotation" :-( :-(

For the audio, the only way the audio plays is if the file is
actually in ON. I tried pasting a link, but then you do not have
option to play the file.

I do not understand what be going on your side.
I checked things with all kinds of multimedia files I could find on my
HDD (audio as well as video). I just copied a link into ON. Then I
clicked on the link.
This reliably (for *all* files) opened the respective player
associated with the type of file and played the file.
No the slightest problem.

So what might be the difference between your system and mine?

By the way I'm using ON 2007 beta. This lets me take notes on
existing audio, without looping.

I asked Erik already yesterday.
What does "looping" mean in this context?
How does this work?
Where might I collect information on this topic?

This feature works well, but
like I said, it creates a duplicate file in the ON directory.
That's just a minor irritation and not that big a deal.

I may cause troubles if the files are changed and then different
versions are hanging around in different locations.

The real problem is the video. While ON2007 now lets you write
notes that sync with existing audio (something not built-in with
ON2003),

That's new to me too.
How does it work?

I did have my system set up the way you described
Rainald, I know how to use extended desktop

;-)
Congratulations! <g>.
I thought that I might better mention it as most people I know have
never heard of that and this ha been a most frequently asked upon
issue in the HP notebooks forum (where i have been an active supported
for quite some time). And I would yet have to meet any colleague mean
(daily using PowerPoint presentations for their lectures) who would
have know what "extended desktop" does mean and how it can be used in
PowerPoint.
And I must confess that I learnt to know it the really hard way many
long years ago when per accident this feature was activated and over
the beamer (projector) there came only a totally blank Windows
desktop. Even all of the IT department staff were unable to make even

that wasn't the problem.

I knew that this was not problem. And did not say anything in this
direction.
Just wanted to give step-by-step instructions.

Playing the video and taking notes with ON is possible, but
not the extremely useful syncing feature present in live
audio/video recordings and now (with ON2007) existing
audio.

I would be glad if you might tell me a bit more on this because I
really do not understand how this works.

I have seen
something about a looping process using a virtual camera via
third party software, but that just seems way too much trouble
for a relatively simple job.

And one more question:
Where would be the advantage over my rather primitive recipe of just
playing the stuff over any appropriate media player activated by a
link in ON?

BTW: hating the overdressed coloured stuff, when playing video takes
in my lectures I mostly use most simply this tiny little good old
"Mplayer" <bg>.

Sorry for not having been able help.
Perhaps you might in return help poor me to get on the same
wavelength.

Rainald

Daniel Hawkins shared these words of wisdom:

In OneNote 2007, annotating existing audio/video should be
possible. I realize that inserting audio is possible and
taking new notes works, but you have to create a copy of the
file in order to do this - having duplicates of everything is
not my cup of tea. I prefer to keep all of my related audio
(lectures) in the same folder, for easy backup, transfer etc.

OK. So just do not insert the file into ON, just put a link
there. In a file-manager (Explorer) copy the file to the
Clipboard, then paste it into ON.
You are prompted with a dialog to select whether to add a link
or copy.

[...] I have a monitor at home to which I
can connect my tablet. Being able to play a video on the
monitor while taking notes on the tablet in OneNote, and
syncing those together would be spectacular.

Seems too easy. Am I missing something?
- Set the external monitor to "extended desktop" mode (in the
display properties applet);
- click on he link in your notebook to open the video viewing
application,
- move it to the external monitor and watch the video there,
- enter your comments in the notebook on the tablet.

Rainald

 

[Daniel Hawkins]

The neat feature in ON I'm talking about is the ability to record something
(just audio for now) and take notes. If you do this within ON, it will sync
your notes to the recording by timestamping them. That way, after you finish
the recording, you can move your cursor over some of your notes and see the
"play recording" button. ON will then play the recording back 5 seconds
before the time you took those notes. So if you were recording an interview
(to steal the demo idea from Chris Pratley) you could just write "Q1" and
listen to the response, then you could write "Q2" for the next question.
Later you could click on the playback icon next to those notes to listen to
the interviewee's response. Very nice, especially if you have a question, or
are unsure about something said and want to have easy access to the original
recording later. I envision using it during lectures and just writing "?"
when I feel I'll need to listen to that part of the lecture again.

They talk about this feature in the ON demos and whatnot. Check out Chris
Pratley's blog

http://blogs.msdn.com/chris_pratley/archive/2005/04/09/406783.aspx

 

[Rainald Taesler]

Thank you so much for for patience, Daniel!

I had read the chapter in Kathy Jaobs' book but not grasped the
essentials :-( , but now with your basic explanation and after going
through the excellent article by Chris Pratley even the initial
reading appears in a bright light ;-)

I've got it now and must say that I'm really fascinated by the many
possibilities this extraordinary feature offers.

Playing with it included laoding the WAV file I had recorded with my
iPAQ from a speech held at a congress and making up a table of
contents (really great to have means for navigating to "bookmarks") as
well as loading some music and setting points to jump to <bg>.

My enthusiam is growing ;-)

Thanks again
Rainald


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