Another strange character showing up in a .PPT file

[Dave Jenkins]

I have a one-slide example of a problem that's cropped up - the .PPT file can
be downloaded from here:

http://www.mediafire.com/?o032xdoohzd

When this file is observed in a PPT 2003 IDE, a faint '⌉' character appears
directly following the right parentheses. You can go here to see a
screenshot of what I'm talking about:

http://screencast.com/t/obGZxIaQU

It appears to me that this file has been processed at some point in its
checkered past by a PPT 2007 system. (I deduce that from the presence in the
..PPT file of the characters "[Content_Types]" I have no idea if that's a
100% certain way of making such an identification, but it generally seems to
work for me -- if someone knows of a more foolproof way to make that
differentiation, please -- let me know.)

If I view that file in PPT 2007, which ostensibly has the same set of fonts
installed, the character does not appear.

I'm not sure what's really in the file. I thrashed around some in the
debugger, and it may be \u8207, but I can't find any printable character
associated with that code. Could it be a combining character of some sort
that gets rendered differently, depending on fonts installed, etc?

I do see, as I cursor to the right across that position of each line, that
the associated font changes from Arial Narrow to Arial Unicode MS, but I have
no idea if that's significant or not.

I'm mainly interested in finding out if there's anything we could be doing
here that would inadvertently cause such a thing to occur. I'm inclined to
think the problem existed before we even received this file, but I'd like to
know a little more about what's really going on.

Enric? You helped a lot with a combining character issue once before - does
this smack of the same thing?

Dave Jenkins
K5KX

 

[Enric Mañas]

Dave,

It appears to me that this file has been processed at some point in its
checkered past by a PPT 2007 system.

Not in this case... 2007 is not the *guilty* of *that*...
OpenOffice is... (or maybe, I've not tested all of them, another one of the
"Opened"Offices)

Click the Text Box... How many Tabs are there?

That *is* OpenOffice

Could it be a combining character of some sort that gets rendered
differently, depending on fonts installed, etc?

"RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK" Put the cursor after any parentheses... Insert >
Symbol... look for Arial Character Code 200F (no image... left of EN DASH,
EM DASH and HORIZONTAL BAR on General Punctuation when Inserting > Symbol)

I do see, as I cursor to the right across that position of each line, that
the associated font changes from Arial Narrow to Arial Unicode MS, but I
have no idea if that's significant or not.

It is plainly *bad*... hit Arial Unicode on its head... OpenOffice
introduces the "RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK" and the Arial Unicode font after every
closing parenthesis

;-)

Enric?

Dave?

;-)

Very cordialmente

Enric
--
Enric Mañas [PowerPoint MVP]

I have a one-slide example of a problem that's cropped up - the .PPT file
can
be downloaded from here:

http://www.mediafire.com/?o032xdoohzd

When this file is observed in a PPT 2003 IDE, a faint '?' character
appears
directly following the right parentheses. You can go here to see a
screenshot of what I'm talking about:

http://screencast.com/t/obGZxIaQU

It appears to me that this file has been processed at some point in its
checkered past by a PPT 2007 system. (I deduce that from the presence in
the
.PPT file of the characters "[Content_Types]" I have no idea if that's a
100% certain way of making such an identification, but it generally seems
to
work for me -- if someone knows of a more foolproof way to make that
differentiation, please -- let me know.)

If I view that file in PPT 2007, which ostensibly has the same set of
fonts
installed, the character does not appear.

I'm not sure what's really in the file. I thrashed around some in the
debugger, and it may be \u8207, but I can't find any printable character
associated with that code. Could it be a combining character of some sort
that gets rendered differently, depending on fonts installed, etc?

I do see, as I cursor to the right across that position of each line, that
the associated font changes from Arial Narrow to Arial Unicode MS, but I
have
no idea if that's significant or not.

I'm mainly interested in finding out if there's anything we could be doing
here that would inadvertently cause such a thing to occur. I'm inclined
to
think the problem existed before we even received this file, but I'd like
to
know a little more about what's really going on.

Enric? You helped a lot with a combining character issue once before -
does
this smack of the same thing?

Dave Jenkins
K5KX

 

[Dave Jenkins]

Thanks Enric:

Not sure I understand about the Text Box and tabs - can you elaborate? I
don't see any way to bring up a tabbed dialog associated with a text box.
Maybe I need to think outside the box ...

Also, I've looked for ways to tell whether a file has passed through a PPT
2007 system. So far, I believe that if a .PPT file contains content that
reads "[Content_Types]" then that file has been saved by a PPT 2007 system.
Can you confirm or deny that that's a 100% dependable marker?

If not, can you give me an alternative PPT 2007 marker (if such a thing
exists)? And an Open Office marker, while we're at it ....

Thanks.

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX

Dave,

It appears to me that this file has been processed at some point in its
checkered past by a PPT 2007 system.

Not in this case... 2007 is not the *guilty* of *that*...
OpenOffice is... (or maybe, I've not tested all of them, another one of the
"Opened"Offices)

Click the Text Box... How many Tabs are there?

That *is* OpenOffice

Could it be a combining character of some sort that gets rendered
differently, depending on fonts installed, etc?

"RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK" Put the cursor after any parentheses... Insert >
Symbol... look for Arial Character Code 200F (no image... left of EN DASH,
EM DASH and HORIZONTAL BAR on General Punctuation when Inserting > Symbol)

I do see, as I cursor to the right across that position of each line, that
the associated font changes from Arial Narrow to Arial Unicode MS, but I
have no idea if that's significant or not.

It is plainly *bad*... hit Arial Unicode on its head... OpenOffice
introduces the "RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK" and the Arial Unicode font after every
closing parenthesis

;-)

Enric?

Dave?

;-)

Very cordialmente

Enric
--
Enric Mañas [PowerPoint MVP]

I have a one-slide example of a problem that's cropped up - the .PPT file
can
be downloaded from here:

http://www.mediafire.com/?o032xdoohzd

When this file is observed in a PPT 2003 IDE, a faint '?' character
appears
directly following the right parentheses. You can go here to see a
screenshot of what I'm talking about:

http://screencast.com/t/obGZxIaQU

It appears to me that this file has been processed at some point in its
checkered past by a PPT 2007 system. (I deduce that from the presence in
the
.PPT file of the characters "[Content_Types]" I have no idea if that's a
100% certain way of making such an identification, but it generally seems
to
work for me -- if someone knows of a more foolproof way to make that
differentiation, please -- let me know.)

If I view that file in PPT 2007, which ostensibly has the same set of
fonts
installed, the character does not appear.

I'm not sure what's really in the file. I thrashed around some in the
debugger, and it may be \u8207, but I can't find any printable character
associated with that code. Could it be a combining character of some sort
that gets rendered differently, depending on fonts installed, etc?

I do see, as I cursor to the right across that position of each line, that
the associated font changes from Arial Narrow to Arial Unicode MS, but I
have
no idea if that's significant or not.

I'm mainly interested in finding out if there's anything we could be doing
here that would inadvertently cause such a thing to occur. I'm inclined
to
think the problem existed before we even received this file, but I'd like
to
know a little more about what's really going on.

Enric? You helped a lot with a combining character issue once before -
does
this smack of the same thing?

Dave Jenkins
K5KX

 

[Echo S]

I think Enric's just saying that when you see tabs like that, it's an
indicator that Open Office has had its way with the file.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

Thanks Enric:

Not sure I understand about the Text Box and tabs - can you elaborate? I
don't see any way to bring up a tabbed dialog associated with a text box.
Maybe I need to think outside the box ...

Also, I've looked for ways to tell whether a file has passed through a PPT
2007 system. So far, I believe that if a .PPT file contains content that
reads "[Content_Types]" then that file has been saved by a PPT 2007
system.
Can you confirm or deny that that's a 100% dependable marker?

If not, can you give me an alternative PPT 2007 marker (if such a thing
exists)? And an Open Office marker, while we're at it ....

Thanks.

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX

Dave,

It appears to me that this file has been processed at some point in its
checkered past by a PPT 2007 system.

Not in this case... 2007 is not the *guilty* of *that*...
OpenOffice is... (or maybe, I've not tested all of them, another one of
the
"Opened"Offices)

Click the Text Box... How many Tabs are there?

That *is* OpenOffice

Could it be a combining character of some sort that gets rendered
differently, depending on fonts installed, etc?

"RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK" Put the cursor after any parentheses... Insert >
Symbol... look for Arial Character Code 200F (no image... left of EN
DASH,
EM DASH and HORIZONTAL BAR on General Punctuation when Inserting >
Symbol)

I do see, as I cursor to the right across that position of each line,
that
the associated font changes from Arial Narrow to Arial Unicode MS, but
I
have no idea if that's significant or not.

It is plainly *bad*... hit Arial Unicode on its head... OpenOffice
introduces the "RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK" and the Arial Unicode font after
every
closing parenthesis

;-)

Enric?

Dave?

;-)

Very cordialmente

Enric
--
Enric Mañas [PowerPoint MVP]



"Dave Jenkins" <[email protected].(spam-ugh!)> escribió en el
mensaje

I have a one-slide example of a problem that's cropped up - the .PPT
file
can
be downloaded from here:

http://www.mediafire.com/?o032xdoohzd

When this file is observed in a PPT 2003 IDE, a faint '?' character
appears
directly following the right parentheses. You can go here to see a
screenshot of what I'm talking about:

http://screencast.com/t/obGZxIaQU

It appears to me that this file has been processed at some point in its
checkered past by a PPT 2007 system. (I deduce that from the presence
in
the
.PPT file of the characters "[Content_Types]" I have no idea if that's
a
100% certain way of making such an identification, but it generally
seems
to
work for me -- if someone knows of a more foolproof way to make that
differentiation, please -- let me know.)

If I view that file in PPT 2007, which ostensibly has the same set of
fonts
installed, the character does not appear.

I'm not sure what's really in the file. I thrashed around some in the
debugger, and it may be \u8207, but I can't find any printable
character
associated with that code. Could it be a combining character of some
sort
that gets rendered differently, depending on fonts installed, etc?

I do see, as I cursor to the right across that position of each line,
that
the associated font changes from Arial Narrow to Arial Unicode MS, but
I
have
no idea if that's significant or not.

I'm mainly interested in finding out if there's anything we could be
doing
here that would inadvertently cause such a thing to occur. I'm
inclined
to
think the problem existed before we even received this file, but I'd
like
to
know a little more about what's really going on.

Enric? You helped a lot with a combining character issue once before -
does
this smack of the same thing?

Dave Jenkins
K5KX

 

[Dave Jenkins]

Aaahhh ... I'm due a severe head slap -- you meant the tab settings, as in
Ruler Tabs.

Yes - now I see what you're talking about! And you're saying the presence
of those is a pretty good indicator that the file was at least touched by
Open Office?

Pretty cheeky of OO to set those - I notice that they're not in in the slide
master, and I'm pretty sure the author didn't take the time to set them
manually ...

Thanks.

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX

Dave,

It appears to me that this file has been processed at some point in its
checkered past by a PPT 2007 system.

Not in this case... 2007 is not the *guilty* of *that*...
OpenOffice is... (or maybe, I've not tested all of them, another one of the
"Opened"Offices)

Click the Text Box... How many Tabs are there?

That *is* OpenOffice

Could it be a combining character of some sort that gets rendered
differently, depending on fonts installed, etc?

"RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK" Put the cursor after any parentheses... Insert >
Symbol... look for Arial Character Code 200F (no image... left of EN DASH,
EM DASH and HORIZONTAL BAR on General Punctuation when Inserting > Symbol)

I do see, as I cursor to the right across that position of each line, that
the associated font changes from Arial Narrow to Arial Unicode MS, but I
have no idea if that's significant or not.

It is plainly *bad*... hit Arial Unicode on its head... OpenOffice
introduces the "RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK" and the Arial Unicode font after every
closing parenthesis

;-)

Enric?

Dave?

;-)

Very cordialmente

Enric
--
Enric Mañas [PowerPoint MVP]

I have a one-slide example of a problem that's cropped up - the .PPT file
can
be downloaded from here:

http://www.mediafire.com/?o032xdoohzd

When this file is observed in a PPT 2003 IDE, a faint '?' character
appears
directly following the right parentheses. You can go here to see a
screenshot of what I'm talking about:

http://screencast.com/t/obGZxIaQU

It appears to me that this file has been processed at some point in its
checkered past by a PPT 2007 system. (I deduce that from the presence in
the
.PPT file of the characters "[Content_Types]" I have no idea if that's a
100% certain way of making such an identification, but it generally seems
to
work for me -- if someone knows of a more foolproof way to make that
differentiation, please -- let me know.)

If I view that file in PPT 2007, which ostensibly has the same set of
fonts
installed, the character does not appear.

I'm not sure what's really in the file. I thrashed around some in the
debugger, and it may be \u8207, but I can't find any printable character
associated with that code. Could it be a combining character of some sort
that gets rendered differently, depending on fonts installed, etc?

I do see, as I cursor to the right across that position of each line, that
the associated font changes from Arial Narrow to Arial Unicode MS, but I
have
no idea if that's significant or not.

I'm mainly interested in finding out if there's anything we could be doing
here that would inadvertently cause such a thing to occur. I'm inclined
to
think the problem existed before we even received this file, but I'd like
to
know a little more about what's really going on.

Enric? You helped a lot with a combining character issue once before -
does
this smack of the same thing?

Dave Jenkins
K5KX

 

[Enric Mañas]

Dave,

Thanks Enric:

.... a pleasure...

;-)

Not sure I understand about the Text Box and tabs - can you elaborate?

Sure... Tabs (what I've called "Tabs") are according to English PPT Help
"Tab stops" seen on the Ruler when you do View > Ruler.

If you click on the Text Box containing (text 1), (text 2) and (text 3)
(with View > Ruler activated) you'll see a bunch of them.

Those tabs *are created* when a ppt goes and comes back from "OpenOffice's
Impress" to "PowerPoint".

On a ppt created on PowerPoint you will not have *those tab stops*. Many
times if you open and save the ppt on Impress there are more tabs... It is
very nice to see them growing...

Elaborated?

;-)

Also, I've looked for ways to tell whether a file has passed through a PPT
2007 system. So far, I believe that if a .PPT file contains content that
reads "[Content_Types]" then that file has been saved by a PPT 2007
system. Can you confirm or deny that that's a 100% dependable marker?

Yes, probably 100%... but

I prefer to look for ___PPT12. If I find ___PPT12, opening the ppt from Word
or using the Script Editor, IMO the ppt has been saved with 2007.

A Calibri font on a ppt is also "suspicious"...

A text box for every Notes page's numbers... (if there are Page notes'
numbers)

I've never doubted that "Unicode_8207(3).ppt" has gone from and to 2007...
all I was saying was that PowerPoint 2007 *was not guilty* of the
"RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK" symbols you were seeing, OK?

And an Open Office marker, while we're at it ....

Open "Unicode_8207(3).ppt" with PowerPoint 2003

Thousands of Tab stops...
"RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK"s... ;-)
Arial Unicode MS and Times New Roman added *always* by "OpenOffice's
Impress" when saving as ppt...
9 "scheme levels" in Impress, againt 5 "Text levels" in PowerPoint, on Slide
Masters (not in this case, but you can see them in others cases)
View > Master > Notes Master... click on the "white background"... what it
is supossed to be the background of the Notes master... OMG... **9 white
rectangles**? What do they do there?
And *another one* for what the "slide" is suppossed to be...
View > Notes page... Where is "Click to add text"? Middle centered? --->
*All these* are "OpenOffice's Impress" *markers*

Sometimes reapplying Master on Notes Layout or in Notes Master gives very
curious results when Impress has touched a ppt.

From my last post on the other thread (that maybe you have not seen) on
"Animation not rendering properly in PPT 2007"

http://groups.google.es/group/micro...ndering+properly+in+PPT+2007#edbebd246ed9356e

March 3rd: (DO NOT pass it back and forth between versions)
I add...
March 11th: BEWARE *ALSO* of Impress saving as a "Microsoft PowerPoint
97/200/XP (.ppt)"...

;-)

Very cordialmente

Enric
--
Enric Mañas [PowerPoint MVP]

Thanks Enric:

Not sure I understand about the Text Box and tabs - can you elaborate? I
don't see any way to bring up a tabbed dialog associated with a text box.
Maybe I need to think outside the box ...

Also, I've looked for ways to tell whether a file has passed through a PPT
2007 system. So far, I believe that if a .PPT file contains content that
reads "[Content_Types]" then that file has been saved by a PPT 2007
system.
Can you confirm or deny that that's a 100% dependable marker?

If not, can you give me an alternative PPT 2007 marker (if such a thing
exists)? And an Open Office marker, while we're at it ....

Thanks.

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX

Dave,

It appears to me that this file has been processed at some point in its
checkered past by a PPT 2007 system.

Not in this case... 2007 is not the *guilty* of *that*...
OpenOffice is... (or maybe, I've not tested all of them, another one of
the
"Opened"Offices)

Click the Text Box... How many Tabs are there?

That *is* OpenOffice

Could it be a combining character of some sort that gets rendered
differently, depending on fonts installed, etc?

"RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK" Put the cursor after any parentheses... Insert >
Symbol... look for Arial Character Code 200F (no image... left of EN
DASH,
EM DASH and HORIZONTAL BAR on General Punctuation when Inserting >
Symbol)

I do see, as I cursor to the right across that position of each line,
that
the associated font changes from Arial Narrow to Arial Unicode MS, but
I
have no idea if that's significant or not.

It is plainly *bad*... hit Arial Unicode on its head... OpenOffice
introduces the "RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK" and the Arial Unicode font after
every
closing parenthesis

;-)

Enric?

Dave?

;-)

Very cordialmente

Enric
--
Enric Mañas [PowerPoint MVP]



"Dave Jenkins" <[email protected].(spam-ugh!)> escribió en el
mensaje

I have a one-slide example of a problem that's cropped up - the .PPT
file
can
be downloaded from here:

http://www.mediafire.com/?o032xdoohzd

When this file is observed in a PPT 2003 IDE, a faint '?' character
appears
directly following the right parentheses. You can go here to see a
screenshot of what I'm talking about:

http://screencast.com/t/obGZxIaQU

It appears to me that this file has been processed at some point in its
checkered past by a PPT 2007 system. (I deduce that from the presence
in
the
.PPT file of the characters "[Content_Types]" I have no idea if that's
a
100% certain way of making such an identification, but it generally
seems
to
work for me -- if someone knows of a more foolproof way to make that
differentiation, please -- let me know.)

If I view that file in PPT 2007, which ostensibly has the same set of
fonts
installed, the character does not appear.

I'm not sure what's really in the file. I thrashed around some in the
debugger, and it may be \u8207, but I can't find any printable
character
associated with that code. Could it be a combining character of some
sort
that gets rendered differently, depending on fonts installed, etc?

I do see, as I cursor to the right across that position of each line,
that
the associated font changes from Arial Narrow to Arial Unicode MS, but
I
have
no idea if that's significant or not.

I'm mainly interested in finding out if there's anything we could be
doing
here that would inadvertently cause such a thing to occur. I'm
inclined
to
think the problem existed before we even received this file, but I'd
like
to
know a little more about what's really going on.

Enric? You helped a lot with a combining character issue once before -
does
this smack of the same thing?

Dave Jenkins
K5KX

 

[Enric Mañas]

I *must* echo Echo...

;-)

Luckily for me... *SHE* understands *me* when NOBODY ELSE does!

;-)

--
Enric Mañas [PowerPoint MVP]

I think Enric's just saying that when you see tabs like that, it's an
indicator that Open Office has had its way with the file.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

Thanks Enric:

Not sure I understand about the Text Box and tabs - can you elaborate? I
don't see any way to bring up a tabbed dialog associated with a text box.
Maybe I need to think outside the box ...

Also, I've looked for ways to tell whether a file has passed through a
PPT
2007 system. So far, I believe that if a .PPT file contains content that
reads "[Content_Types]" then that file has been saved by a PPT 2007
system.
Can you confirm or deny that that's a 100% dependable marker?

If not, can you give me an alternative PPT 2007 marker (if such a thing
exists)? And an Open Office marker, while we're at it ....

Thanks.

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX

Dave,

It appears to me that this file has been processed at some point in
its
checkered past by a PPT 2007 system.

Not in this case... 2007 is not the *guilty* of *that*...
OpenOffice is... (or maybe, I've not tested all of them, another one of
the
"Opened"Offices)

Click the Text Box... How many Tabs are there?

That *is* OpenOffice

Could it be a combining character of some sort that gets rendered
differently, depending on fonts installed, etc?

"RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK" Put the cursor after any parentheses... Insert >
Symbol... look for Arial Character Code 200F (no image... left of EN
DASH,
EM DASH and HORIZONTAL BAR on General Punctuation when Inserting >
Symbol)

I do see, as I cursor to the right across that position of each line,
that
the associated font changes from Arial Narrow to Arial Unicode MS, but
I
have no idea if that's significant or not.

It is plainly *bad*... hit Arial Unicode on its head... OpenOffice
introduces the "RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK" and the Arial Unicode font after
every
closing parenthesis

;-)

Enric?

Dave?

;-)

Very cordialmente

Enric
--
Enric Mañas [PowerPoint MVP]



"Dave Jenkins" <[email protected].(spam-ugh!)> escribió en el
mensaje
I have a one-slide example of a problem that's cropped up - the .PPT
file
can
be downloaded from here:

http://www.mediafire.com/?o032xdoohzd

When this file is observed in a PPT 2003 IDE, a faint '?' character
appears
directly following the right parentheses. You can go here to see a
screenshot of what I'm talking about:

http://screencast.com/t/obGZxIaQU

It appears to me that this file has been processed at some point in
its
checkered past by a PPT 2007 system. (I deduce that from the presence
in
the
.PPT file of the characters "[Content_Types]" I have no idea if
that's a
100% certain way of making such an identification, but it generally
seems
to
work for me -- if someone knows of a more foolproof way to make that
differentiation, please -- let me know.)

If I view that file in PPT 2007, which ostensibly has the same set of
fonts
installed, the character does not appear.

I'm not sure what's really in the file. I thrashed around some in the
debugger, and it may be \u8207, but I can't find any printable
character
associated with that code. Could it be a combining character of some
sort
that gets rendered differently, depending on fonts installed, etc?

I do see, as I cursor to the right across that position of each line,
that
the associated font changes from Arial Narrow to Arial Unicode MS, but
I
have
no idea if that's significant or not.

I'm mainly interested in finding out if there's anything we could be
doing
here that would inadvertently cause such a thing to occur. I'm
inclined
to
think the problem existed before we even received this file, but I'd
like
to
know a little more about what's really going on.

Enric? You helped a lot with a combining character issue once
before -
does
this smack of the same thing?

Dave Jenkins
K5KX

 

[Dave Jenkins]

Hi Enric:

Yes - I figured out the Tabs thing [red face]. I thought you were talking
about a dialog with tabbed multiple pages. All is well.

Thanks for the Impress markers - they will come in handy as we struggle with
some of the files that come across our desks.

Any bullet-proof arguments you can give me to use in convincing my company
to move entirely to Office 2007 from 2003?

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX

Dave,

Thanks Enric:

.... a pleasure...

;-)

Not sure I understand about the Text Box and tabs - can you elaborate?

Sure... Tabs (what I've called "Tabs") are according to English PPT Help
"Tab stops" seen on the Ruler when you do View > Ruler.

If you click on the Text Box containing (text 1), (text 2) and (text 3)
(with View > Ruler activated) you'll see a bunch of them.

Those tabs *are created* when a ppt goes and comes back from "OpenOffice's
Impress" to "PowerPoint".

On a ppt created on PowerPoint you will not have *those tab stops*. Many
times if you open and save the ppt on Impress there are more tabs... It is
very nice to see them growing...

Elaborated?

;-)

Also, I've looked for ways to tell whether a file has passed through a PPT
2007 system. So far, I believe that if a .PPT file contains content that
reads "[Content_Types]" then that file has been saved by a PPT 2007
system. Can you confirm or deny that that's a 100% dependable marker?

Yes, probably 100%... but

I prefer to look for ___PPT12. If I find ___PPT12, opening the ppt from Word
or using the Script Editor, IMO the ppt has been saved with 2007.

A Calibri font on a ppt is also "suspicious"...

A text box for every Notes page's numbers... (if there are Page notes'
numbers)

I've never doubted that "Unicode_8207(3).ppt" has gone from and to 2007...
all I was saying was that PowerPoint 2007 *was not guilty* of the
"RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK" symbols you were seeing, OK?

And an Open Office marker, while we're at it ....

Open "Unicode_8207(3).ppt" with PowerPoint 2003

Thousands of Tab stops...
"RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK"s... ;-)
Arial Unicode MS and Times New Roman added *always* by "OpenOffice's
Impress" when saving as ppt...
9 "scheme levels" in Impress, againt 5 "Text levels" in PowerPoint, on Slide
Masters (not in this case, but you can see them in others cases)
View > Master > Notes Master... click on the "white background"... what it
is supossed to be the background of the Notes master... OMG... **9 white
rectangles**? What do they do there?
And *another one* for what the "slide" is suppossed to be...
View > Notes page... Where is "Click to add text"? Middle centered? --->
*All these* are "OpenOffice's Impress" *markers*

Sometimes reapplying Master on Notes Layout or in Notes Master gives very
curious results when Impress has touched a ppt.

From my last post on the other thread (that maybe you have not seen) on
"Animation not rendering properly in PPT 2007"

http://groups.google.es/group/micro...ndering+properly+in+PPT+2007#edbebd246ed9356e

March 3rd: (DO NOT pass it back and forth between versions)
I add...
March 11th: BEWARE *ALSO* of Impress saving as a "Microsoft PowerPoint
97/200/XP (.ppt)"...

;-)

Very cordialmente

Enric

[snip]

 

[Echo S]

How about, going back and forth is baldness-inducing?

Seriously, issues with title slide layouts and charts and color schemes are
enough to make me want to stay in one version or the other.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

Hi Enric:

Yes - I figured out the Tabs thing [red face]. I thought you were talking
about a dialog with tabbed multiple pages. All is well.

Thanks for the Impress markers - they will come in handy as we struggle
with
some of the files that come across our desks.

Any bullet-proof arguments you can give me to use in convincing my company
to move entirely to Office 2007 from 2003?

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX

Dave,

Thanks Enric:

.... a pleasure...

;-)

Not sure I understand about the Text Box and tabs - can you elaborate?

Sure... Tabs (what I've called "Tabs") are according to English PPT Help
"Tab stops" seen on the Ruler when you do View > Ruler.

If you click on the Text Box containing (text 1), (text 2) and (text 3)
(with View > Ruler activated) you'll see a bunch of them.

Those tabs *are created* when a ppt goes and comes back from
"OpenOffice's
Impress" to "PowerPoint".

On a ppt created on PowerPoint you will not have *those tab stops*. Many
times if you open and save the ppt on Impress there are more tabs... It
is
very nice to see them growing...

Elaborated?

;-)

Also, I've looked for ways to tell whether a file has passed through a
PPT
2007 system. So far, I believe that if a .PPT file contains content
that
reads "[Content_Types]" then that file has been saved by a PPT 2007
system. Can you confirm or deny that that's a 100% dependable marker?

Yes, probably 100%... but

I prefer to look for ___PPT12. If I find ___PPT12, opening the ppt from
Word
or using the Script Editor, IMO the ppt has been saved with 2007.

A Calibri font on a ppt is also "suspicious"...

A text box for every Notes page's numbers... (if there are Page notes'
numbers)

I've never doubted that "Unicode_8207(3).ppt" has gone from and to
2007...
all I was saying was that PowerPoint 2007 *was not guilty* of the
"RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK" symbols you were seeing, OK?

And an Open Office marker, while we're at it ....

Open "Unicode_8207(3).ppt" with PowerPoint 2003

Thousands of Tab stops...
"RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK"s... ;-)
Arial Unicode MS and Times New Roman added *always* by "OpenOffice's
Impress" when saving as ppt...
9 "scheme levels" in Impress, againt 5 "Text levels" in PowerPoint, on
Slide
Masters (not in this case, but you can see them in others cases)
View > Master > Notes Master... click on the "white background"... what
it
is supossed to be the background of the Notes master... OMG... **9 white
rectangles**? What do they do there?
And *another one* for what the "slide" is suppossed to be...
View > Notes page... Where is "Click to add text"? Middle centered? --->
*All these* are "OpenOffice's Impress" *markers*

Sometimes reapplying Master on Notes Layout or in Notes Master gives very
curious results when Impress has touched a ppt.

From my last post on the other thread (that maybe you have not seen) on
"Animation not rendering properly in PPT 2007"

http://groups.google.es/group/micro...ndering+properly+in+PPT+2007#edbebd246ed9356e

March 3rd: (DO NOT pass it back and forth between versions)
I add...
March 11th: BEWARE *ALSO* of Impress saving as a "Microsoft PowerPoint
97/200/XP (.ppt)"...

;-)

Very cordialmente

Enric

[snip]

 

[Dave Jenkins]

It is to laugh! Do you have a secret camera in my office? I've been bald
since I was about 25, so you must be right.

You're right about the back and forth, but that's thrust upon us by our
speaker base, who are at best only slightly controllable. What they use to
build their draft decks is a crapshoot. What we use internally is a function
of what the budget will stand. I'm an independent, so I kind of do what I
want (which is 2007), but the employees are all stuck with 2003 since there's
no compelling reason to move up. I was just looking for some ammunition I
could use to convince them to make the shift.

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX

How about, going back and forth is baldness-inducing?

Seriously, issues with title slide layouts and charts and color schemes are
enough to make me want to stay in one version or the other.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

Hi Enric:

Yes - I figured out the Tabs thing [red face]. I thought you were talking
about a dialog with tabbed multiple pages. All is well.

Thanks for the Impress markers - they will come in handy as we struggle
with
some of the files that come across our desks.

Any bullet-proof arguments you can give me to use in convincing my company
to move entirely to Office 2007 from 2003?

 

[Echo S]

I hear you. It's hard to make a compelling argument, I think, unless any of
the new features are especially important. Right now we have some really
good eye candy that was introduced in 2007. We also have some useful text
effects (i.e., text as wordart), but the back-and-forth aspect you deal with
may make those a moot point, because so much becomes uneditable on downlevel
save....

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

It is to laugh! Do you have a secret camera in my office? I've been bald
since I was about 25, so you must be right.

You're right about the back and forth, but that's thrust upon us by our
speaker base, who are at best only slightly controllable. What they use
to
build their draft decks is a crapshoot. What we use internally is a
function
of what the budget will stand. I'm an independent, so I kind of do what I
want (which is 2007), but the employees are all stuck with 2003 since
there's
no compelling reason to move up. I was just looking for some ammunition I
could use to convince them to make the shift.

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX

How about, going back and forth is baldness-inducing?

Seriously, issues with title slide layouts and charts and color schemes
are
enough to make me want to stay in one version or the other.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

Hi Enric:

Yes - I figured out the Tabs thing [red face]. I thought you were
talking
about a dialog with tabbed multiple pages. All is well.

Thanks for the Impress markers - they will come in handy as we struggle
with
some of the files that come across our desks.

Any bullet-proof arguments you can give me to use in convincing my
company
to move entirely to Office 2007 from 2003?

 

[Enric Mañas]

Any bullet-proof arguments you can give me to use in convincing my company

to move entirely to Office 2007 from 2003?

Right question made to the wrong (also bald since he was 25) guy...

;-)

Divide and Conquer...

to move entirely to Office 2007 from 2003?

Why?

*ALL you clients* are on 2007?

I have no MS statistics on PowerPoint's version users... I only have
Google...

If I Google... healthcare filetypept

http://www.google.es/search?hl=en&q=healthcare+filetype:ppt

I get 88,900 hits

If I Google... healthcare filetypeptx

http://www.google.es/search?hl=en&q=healthcare+filetype:pptx

I get 555 hits

try the same with filetypeps or/and filetypepsx changing also healthcare
for what you wish...

I have no statistics for PowerPoint but maybe it is worth a look of Outlook
users (both for consumer and business)... (September 2008) (That's what I've
found on a quick search... If you find anything more "actual" or
"credible"... I'm *all* ears... ;-) )

Any bullet-proof arguments you can give me to use in convincing my company
to move entirely to Office 2007 from 2003?

Mmmmmmmm... No... sorry... I move myself in the same proportion that my
clients do... and my clients... my clients... wait a second... Mmmmm... they
don't move...

;-)

Very cordialmente

Enric
--
Enric Mañas [PowerPoint MVP]

Hi Enric:

Yes - I figured out the Tabs thing [red face]. I thought you were talking
about a dialog with tabbed multiple pages. All is well.

Thanks for the Impress markers - they will come in handy as we struggle
with
some of the files that come across our desks.

Any bullet-proof arguments you can give me to use in convincing my company
to move entirely to Office 2007 from 2003?

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX

Dave,

Thanks Enric:

.... a pleasure...

;-)

Not sure I understand about the Text Box and tabs - can you elaborate?

Sure... Tabs (what I've called "Tabs") are according to English PPT Help
"Tab stops" seen on the Ruler when you do View > Ruler.

If you click on the Text Box containing (text 1), (text 2) and (text 3)
(with View > Ruler activated) you'll see a bunch of them.

Those tabs *are created* when a ppt goes and comes back from
"OpenOffice's
Impress" to "PowerPoint".

On a ppt created on PowerPoint you will not have *those tab stops*. Many
times if you open and save the ppt on Impress there are more tabs... It
is
very nice to see them growing...

Elaborated?

;-)

Also, I've looked for ways to tell whether a file has passed through a
PPT
2007 system. So far, I believe that if a .PPT file contains content
that
reads "[Content_Types]" then that file has been saved by a PPT 2007
system. Can you confirm or deny that that's a 100% dependable marker?

Yes, probably 100%... but

I prefer to look for ___PPT12. If I find ___PPT12, opening the ppt from
Word
or using the Script Editor, IMO the ppt has been saved with 2007.

A Calibri font on a ppt is also "suspicious"...

A text box for every Notes page's numbers... (if there are Page notes'
numbers)

I've never doubted that "Unicode_8207(3).ppt" has gone from and to
2007...
all I was saying was that PowerPoint 2007 *was not guilty* of the
"RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK" symbols you were seeing, OK?

And an Open Office marker, while we're at it ....

Open "Unicode_8207(3).ppt" with PowerPoint 2003

Thousands of Tab stops...
"RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK"s... ;-)
Arial Unicode MS and Times New Roman added *always* by "OpenOffice's
Impress" when saving as ppt...
9 "scheme levels" in Impress, againt 5 "Text levels" in PowerPoint, on
Slide
Masters (not in this case, but you can see them in others cases)
View > Master > Notes Master... click on the "white background"... what
it
is supossed to be the background of the Notes master... OMG... **9 white
rectangles**? What do they do there?
And *another one* for what the "slide" is suppossed to be...
View > Notes page... Where is "Click to add text"? Middle centered? --->
*All these* are "OpenOffice's Impress" *markers*

Sometimes reapplying Master on Notes Layout or in Notes Master gives very
curious results when Impress has touched a ppt.

From my last post on the other thread (that maybe you have not seen) on
"Animation not rendering properly in PPT 2007"

http://groups.google.es/group/micro...ndering+properly+in+PPT+2007#edbebd246ed9356e

March 3rd: (DO NOT pass it back and forth between versions)
I add...
March 11th: BEWARE *ALSO* of Impress saving as a "Microsoft PowerPoint
97/200/XP (.ppt)"...

;-)

Very cordialmente

Enric

[snip]

 

[Enric Mañas]

Curious...

I cannot see the image (if there is any image in the "space where the image
is supposed to be") in
http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/200f/index.htm
but when I print Unicode_8207(3).ppt I get the RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK printed...

;-)

Detective Enric

BwahBwahBwah...

;-)

 

[Enric Mañas]

Ooooooops....

I have no statistics for PowerPoint but maybe it is worth a look of
Outlook users (both for consumer and business)... (September 2008) (That's
what I've found on a quick search... If you find anything more "actual" or
"credible"... I'm *all* ears... ;-) )

http://fingerprintapp.com/email-client-stats

 

[Dave Jenkins]

Good advice ...

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX

You might have to control the internal crowd then. Lay down the law about
incoming presentations ONLY being edited in the version what birthed 'em, and
ask, if demand isn't in the cards, that the presenters use whatever version they
like to begin with, but STICK TO IT throughout the life of a given presentation.





==============================
PPT Frequently Asked Questions
http://www.pptfaq.com/

PPTools add-ins for PowerPoint
http://www.pptools.com/

 

[Dave Jenkins]

Ooooooops....


http://fingerprintapp.com/email-client-stats

Interesting charts, aren't they?

As far as your earlier numbers go (based on Google counts) , I think it's an
error to base anything but the broadest of conclusions on file extensions.
For instance, in our particular environment, you'd conclude that everyone was
on 2003, since all we ever get from them is .PPTs. In actuality, *we* send
them a .PPT template, which they then use to create their working files,
which then come back to us as .PPTs. And yet, as we see from peering into
the guts of the .PPT files themselves, they were actually created on 2007
systems.

I guess we're going seriously OT here - maybe we ought to start another
thread someplace?


Dave

 

[Enric Mañas]

OK...

PowerPoint 2007 is *NOT* even listed in...

PowerPoint VERSIONS
http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00077.htm

and *I* *always* *trust* PPTFAQ...

;-)

I copy here on behalf of Mr. Rindsberg's wisdom and foresighting what he
wrote on the "Last update 09 September, 2006" and that IMHO is still true on
14th March 2009. I find interesting to make it clear (before the "update"
changes) that it was written on the 9th September, 2006 :

"Moving a presentation back and forth repeatedly between versions and/or
between PC and Mac versions of PowerPoint will make your hair fall out.
Small children will run away from you. Dogs will growl at you. And the world
will generally not be your oyster. So don't."

As far as your earlier numbers go (based on Google counts) , I think it's
an error to base anything but the broadest of conclusions on file
extensions.

I was *just* suggesting a test... I state again... "I have no MS statistics
on PowerPoint's version users... I only have Google..." and... "If you find
anything more "actual" or
"credible"... I'm *all* ears... ;-) )"

I guess we're going seriously OT here - maybe we ought to start another
thread someplace?

I'm sorry but I don't know where "someplace" can be... I read/write in this
NG and in the Spanish PowerPoint Group... Nowhere else...

;-)

Very cordialmente

Enric

 

[Enric Mañas]

Neither can I ...

I doubted if it was *me* or *my browser*...

but then I don't think it's supposed to be a visible character, is it?

It isn't... *but* it is visible in PowerPoint 2003? Isn't it? (It is visible
some days, at some hours, according to the environment lightning, etc.). I
remember that the first time I downloaded the ppt I did not see the signs on
the ppt... but closing and opening may make them appear... sometimes they
are there, sometimes they aren't... I've not found a pattern...

Different printer drivers? Most probably.

Amen

;-)

mind
) ?

Enric (just pasting the RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK after "mind"... we'll see if it
does appear or disappears... ;-) )

 

[Enric Mañas]

How much wine did you have at lunch? ;-)

How did you know I was having a Valdespino and some "tapas"? Oh... and
"jamón serrano"...

;-)

 

[Enric Mañas]

Me.FillColor.RGB=RGB(0,255,0)

Me.ROFL!