Anyone know how to keep spammers out of a guestbook!

[larry.k]

Hi, I'm looking for a way to keep the spammers from loading my guestbook
with their weblinks!

I've seen the "nofollow" parameter. It seems like a way to keep the
spammer from benefiting from the spam, but not to keep them out of my
guestbook.

I've seen the robots.txt thing. I have that in my site, but again I don't
think that a spammer will give a darn about it, he's going to do what he
wants anyway.

I'd like a way to simply reject message input that has links in it. Since
the spam is basically all links, it should stop if I just reject messages
with links.

How might I do this without monitoring every message, I want to do it with
code, not with constant monitoring.

Any other ideas??

Thanks,

larry.k

 

[Ronx]

Requires server-side scripting, and possibly a database, in whatever
technologies your host supports (ASP,asp.NET,PHP,Perl/CGI etc, with
Access, mySQL, Ms SQL server for the database)
The form handler will parse the comment, and reject entirely or remove
any links, or hold the comment for approval.

You could also incorporate a graphic thingy (don't remember the name)
that users have to copy into a field - this also requires server-side
scripting for best results - spammers will have client-side JavaScript
disabled.

FrontPage guestbook will permit the use of the graphic using
clientside validation, but this is not very effective, there is
nothing else that can be done (using FP) except frequent renaming or
manually vetting the posts.

 

[Uncle Joe]

Have no practical experience with your problem but am thinking about
doing the same things for my comment data entry form. Had an
email conversation with the Atlanta Constitution's online forums'
programmer (running with Movable Type) and she passed along
these facts:

1. They use Movable Type's features to strip out all HTML code,
profanity, and objectionable language. Some manual effort
is required to strip out everything objectionable.
2. They have many problems with spammers, so they make a
commenter wait 20 seconds between making entries. This
screws up spammers' automated programs. I'm thinking of
making commenter wait 45 seconds. Spammers would hate this.
3. They won't display a new comment entry for at least five minutes.
This gives them editing flexibility.
4. When I asked her why they close new forums after two weeks,
she said that spammers typically figure out how to defeat their
controls in two weeks. It seems if they can do this, they could
screw-up all the other forums, too. She wouldn't comment.

When I become President of the United States, I'm going to round
up spammers and deport them to Afghanistan...where it's illegal to
have/use the Internet.

Good luck.

 

[Tom J]

Hi, I'm looking for a way to keep the spammers from loading my
guestbook
with their weblinks!

Do away with the guest book!! Works wonders!

Tom J

 

[Uncle Joe]

Ah, an elegant solution to a vexing problem. Don't think
Larry will buy this, though.

I don't know the first thing about doing this in modern coding
languages but surely there's a way to analyze the text field for
HTML code such as "http" and "www." If you detected these,
clear the text field, close the guestbook page, and forget
about the spammers. I used to do these kinds of things
in an ancient language known COBOL. Wish I could help
but I'm just starting with all this new-fangled stuff..

 

[Ronx]

Easily done with ASP, PHP etc., but impossible with FrontPage
extensions (clientside JavaScript is too unreliable for this - disable
JavaScript and validation/checking is gone...)

 

[Uncle Joe]

From what I've gleaned from PHP book thus far, it seemed
logical to use PHP to test a myriad of conditions such as
"http". What I've seen of PHP thus far is favorable.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, my host offers cgi, perl,
PHP, 99 MySQL databases, and a host of other things.
The thing they are not is Frontpage friendly. They have no
use for it, and literally beg customers to not install FP
extensions. I installed extensions anyway. Just clicked on
the cPanel FP icon.

Is it plausible to maintain an FP site on such a host? I have
1300 MB of free space, not counting databases. What
happens if the FP extensions aren't installed? All along,
I've been planning on using MySQL and PHP to drive
my blog application. I'd like to use FP to design web,
maintain my graphics, and to pass DB parameters along
with clicked URLs.

 

[Ronx]

If your host pleads with you not to install them, then you can expect
little or no support from your host if the extensions break. You do
not need FP extensions to use FrontPage, but without extensions some
features will not work, these include forms (use PHP/Perl form handler
instead), hit counters, custom link bars, "styled" navigation bars'.
See http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;281532 for
the complete list.

I use ASP and Perl in my sites, using FP to edit the Perl scripts as
text files. However, you will require an FTP client to upload and
manipulate Perl scripts if using a Unix server. FP2002 and earlier
will corrupt the scripts when publishing - even when using FTP mode.

 

[Murray]

Called "Captcha" - Google it. It would work wonders.

 

[p c]

Even if FPSE is installed and available, one does not have to use FPSE
depended features for web pages.

I have used FP's shared borders and form validation for a few pages for
convenience. But I stayed away from anything else that depends on FPSE
to run properly. The reason is that I would like the pages to work
correctly if a moved them to a web server that does not depend on FPSE.

That strategy was good for me because I didn't have to change any pages
because of FPSE as I upgraded from FP97 working with IIS4 based site to
FP98 with IIS4, then to FP2000 with IIS4, and then moved the site to a
Win 2003 server with IIS6 using FP200. And the FPSE changed along the
way with soel older features not supported by newer FPSE versions.

Clean standard HTML pages (without the FPSE features) will work.

I like and use FP as a web page editor. It saves me lot's of time.

...PC

 

[Kathleen Anderson [MVP - FrontPage]]

Unfortunately, CAPTCHAs are not accessible to screen-reader users.

--

~ Kathleen Anderson
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
Spider Web Woman Designs
web: http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/

 

[Murray]

Sure thing. That is true.

--
Murray
============

Unfortunately, CAPTCHAs are not accessible to screen-reader users.

--

~ Kathleen Anderson
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
Spider Web Woman Designs
web: http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/

 

[Stefan B Rusynko]

Here's a link to a CSS one using just text (instead of Captcha images) which should be more accessible to screen-reader users
http://www.u229.no/stuff/Captcha/



| Sure thing. That is true.
|
| --
| Murray
| ============
|
| message | > Unfortunately, CAPTCHAs are not accessible to screen-reader users.
| >
| > --
| >
| > ~ Kathleen Anderson
| > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| > Spider Web Woman Designs
| > web: http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > | >> Called "Captcha" - Google it. It would work wonders.
| >>
| >> --
| >> Murray
| >> ============
| >>
| >> | >>> Requires server-side scripting, and possibly a database, in whatever
| >>> technologies your host supports (ASP,asp.NET,PHP,Perl/CGI etc, with
| >>> Access, mySQL, Ms SQL server for the database)
| >>> The form handler will parse the comment, and reject entirely or remove
| >>> any links, or hold the comment for approval.
| >>>
| >>> You could also incorporate a graphic thingy (don't remember the name)
| >>> that users have to copy into a field - this also requires server-side
| >>> scripting for best results - spammers will have client-side JavaScript
| >>> disabled.
| >>>
| >>> FrontPage guestbook will permit the use of the graphic using clientside
| >>> validation, but this is not very effective, there is nothing else that
| >>> can be done (using FP) except frequent renaming or manually vetting the
| >>> posts.
| >>> --
| >>> Ron Symonds
| >>> Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
| >>> Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
| >>>
| >>> | >>>> Hi, I'm looking for a way to keep the spammers from loading my
| >>>> guestbook
| >>>> with their weblinks!
| >>>>
| >>>> I've seen the "nofollow" parameter. It seems like a way to keep the
| >>>> spammer from benefiting from the spam, but not to keep them out of my
| >>>> guestbook.
| >>>>
| >>>> I've seen the robots.txt thing. I have that in my site, but again I
| >>>> don't
| >>>> think that a spammer will give a darn about it, he's going to do what
| >>>> he
| >>>> wants anyway.
| >>>>
| >>>> I'd like a way to simply reject message input that has links in it.
| >>>> Since
| >>>> the spam is basically all links, it should stop if I just reject
| >>>> messages
| >>>> with links.
| >>>>
| >>>> How might I do this without monitoring every message, I want to do it
| >>>> with
| >>>> code, not with constant monitoring.
| >>>>
| >>>> Any other ideas??
| >>>>
| >>>> Thanks,
| >>>>
| >>>> larry.k
| >>>>
| >>>>
| >>>> --
| >>>> ---------------------------------------------
| >>>> "These improvements might be better, and the water might be wetter;
| >>>> this hole will answer as a well, even if water is not to be found
| >>>> this side of hell." Quote from a Dakota homesteader, 1890s
| >>>>
| >>>>
| >>>
| >>>
| >>
| >>
| >
| >
|
|

 

[Murray]

Awesome, Stefan! That's a wonderful link. Thank you!

 

[Stefan B Rusynko]

It's not perfect
(it still uses colors - which a screen reader could not detect),
- but the core function is there to modify the ASP script to be text based (screen reader friendly) only using CSS and html (no
images or colors) by say just asking for the Nth character




| Awesome, Stefan! That's a wonderful link. Thank you!
|
| --
| Murray
| ============
|
| | > Here's a link to a CSS one using just text (instead of Captcha images)
| > which should be more accessible to screen-reader users
| > http://www.u229.no/stuff/Captcha/
| > --
| >
| > _____________________________________________
| > SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| > "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| > To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > _____________________________________________
| >
| >
| > | > | Sure thing. That is true.
| > |
| > | --
| > | Murray
| > | ============
| > |
| > | message | > | > Unfortunately, CAPTCHAs are not accessible to screen-reader users.
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | >
| > | > ~ Kathleen Anderson
| > | > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| > | > Spider Web Woman Designs
| > | > web: http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | >> Called "Captcha" - Google it. It would work wonders.
| > | >>
| > | >> --
| > | >> Murray
| > | >> ============
| > | >>
| > | >> | > | >>> Requires server-side scripting, and possibly a database, in whatever
| > | >>> technologies your host supports (ASP,asp.NET,PHP,Perl/CGI etc, with
| > | >>> Access, mySQL, Ms SQL server for the database)
| > | >>> The form handler will parse the comment, and reject entirely or
| > remove
| > | >>> any links, or hold the comment for approval.
| > | >>>
| > | >>> You could also incorporate a graphic thingy (don't remember the
| > name)
| > | >>> that users have to copy into a field - this also requires
| > server-side
| > | >>> scripting for best results - spammers will have client-side
| > JavaScript
| > | >>> disabled.
| > | >>>
| > | >>> FrontPage guestbook will permit the use of the graphic using
| > clientside
| > | >>> validation, but this is not very effective, there is nothing else
| > that
| > | >>> can be done (using FP) except frequent renaming or manually vetting
| > the
| > | >>> posts.
| > | >>> --
| > | >>> Ron Symonds
| > | >>> Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
| > | >>> Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
| > | >>>
| > | >>> | > | >>>> Hi, I'm looking for a way to keep the spammers from loading my
| > | >>>> guestbook
| > | >>>> with their weblinks!
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>> I've seen the "nofollow" parameter. It seems like a way to keep
| > the
| > | >>>> spammer from benefiting from the spam, but not to keep them out of
| > my
| > | >>>> guestbook.
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>> I've seen the robots.txt thing. I have that in my site, but again
| > I
| > | >>>> don't
| > | >>>> think that a spammer will give a darn about it, he's going to do
| > what
| > | >>>> he
| > | >>>> wants anyway.
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>> I'd like a way to simply reject message input that has links in it.
| > | >>>> Since
| > | >>>> the spam is basically all links, it should stop if I just reject
| > | >>>> messages
| > | >>>> with links.
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>> How might I do this without monitoring every message, I want to do
| > it
| > | >>>> with
| > | >>>> code, not with constant monitoring.
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>> Any other ideas??
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>> Thanks,
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>> larry.k
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>> --
| > | >>>> ---------------------------------------------
| > | >>>> "These improvements might be better, and the water might be wetter;
| > | >>>> this hole will answer as a well, even if water is not to be found
| > | >>>> this side of hell." Quote from a Dakota homesteader, 1890s
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>
| > | >>>
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

 

[Murray]

Yep - I'm going to try it out today....

--
Murray
============

It's not perfect
(it still uses colors - which a screen reader could not detect),
- but the core function is there to modify the ASP script to be text based
(screen reader friendly) only using CSS and html (no
images or colors) by say just asking for the Nth character




| Awesome, Stefan! That's a wonderful link. Thank you!
|
| --
| Murray
| ============
|
| | > Here's a link to a CSS one using just text (instead of Captcha images)
| > which should be more accessible to screen-reader users
| > http://www.u229.no/stuff/Captcha/
| > --
| >
| > _____________________________________________
| > SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| > "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| > To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > _____________________________________________
| >
| >
| > | > | Sure thing. That is true.
| > |
| > | --
| > | Murray
| > | ============
| > |
| > | "Kathleen Anderson [MVP - FrontPage]" <[email protected]>
wrote in
| > | message | > | > Unfortunately, CAPTCHAs are not accessible to screen-reader users.
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | >
| > | > ~ Kathleen Anderson
| > | > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| > | > Spider Web Woman Designs
| > | > web: http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | >> Called "Captcha" - Google it. It would work wonders.
| > | >>
| > | >> --
| > | >> Murray
| > | >> ============
| > | >>
| > | >> | > | >>> Requires server-side scripting, and possibly a database, in
whatever
| > | >>> technologies your host supports (ASP,asp.NET,PHP,Perl/CGI etc,
with
| > | >>> Access, mySQL, Ms SQL server for the database)
| > | >>> The form handler will parse the comment, and reject entirely or
| > remove
| > | >>> any links, or hold the comment for approval.
| > | >>>
| > | >>> You could also incorporate a graphic thingy (don't remember the
| > name)
| > | >>> that users have to copy into a field - this also requires
| > server-side
| > | >>> scripting for best results - spammers will have client-side
| > JavaScript
| > | >>> disabled.
| > | >>>
| > | >>> FrontPage guestbook will permit the use of the graphic using
| > clientside
| > | >>> validation, but this is not very effective, there is nothing
else
| > that
| > | >>> can be done (using FP) except frequent renaming or manually
vetting
| > the
| > | >>> posts.
| > | >>> --
| > | >>> Ron Symonds
| > | >>> Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
| > | >>> Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
| > | >>>
| > | >>> | > | >>>> Hi, I'm looking for a way to keep the spammers from loading my
| > | >>>> guestbook
| > | >>>> with their weblinks!
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>> I've seen the "nofollow" parameter. It seems like a way to
keep
| > the
| > | >>>> spammer from benefiting from the spam, but not to keep them out
of
| > my
| > | >>>> guestbook.
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>> I've seen the robots.txt thing. I have that in my site, but
again
| > I
| > | >>>> don't
| > | >>>> think that a spammer will give a darn about it, he's going to
do
| > what
| > | >>>> he
| > | >>>> wants anyway.
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>> I'd like a way to simply reject message input that has links in
it.
| > | >>>> Since
| > | >>>> the spam is basically all links, it should stop if I just
reject
| > | >>>> messages
| > | >>>> with links.
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>> How might I do this without monitoring every message, I want to
do
| > it
| > | >>>> with
| > | >>>> code, not with constant monitoring.
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>> Any other ideas??
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>> Thanks,
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>> larry.k
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>> --
| > | >>>> ---------------------------------------------
| > | >>>> "These improvements might be better, and the water might be
wetter;
| > | >>>> this hole will answer as a well, even if water is not to be
found
| > | >>>> this side of hell." Quote from a Dakota homesteader, 1890s
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>
| > | >>>
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

 

[Murray]

http://www.great-web-sights.com/g_quote.asp

--
Murray
============

Yep - I'm going to try it out today....

--
Murray
============

It's not perfect
(it still uses colors - which a screen reader could not detect),
- but the core function is there to modify the ASP script to be text
based (screen reader friendly) only using CSS and html (no
images or colors) by say just asking for the Nth character




| Awesome, Stefan! That's a wonderful link. Thank you!
|
| --
| Murray
| ============
|
| | > Here's a link to a CSS one using just text (instead of Captcha
images)
| > which should be more accessible to screen-reader users
| > http://www.u229.no/stuff/Captcha/
| > --
| >
| > _____________________________________________
| > SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| > "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| > To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > _____________________________________________
| >
| >
| > | > | Sure thing. That is true.
| > |
| > | --
| > | Murray
| > | ============
| > |
| > | "Kathleen Anderson [MVP - FrontPage]" <[email protected]>
wrote in
| > | message | > | > Unfortunately, CAPTCHAs are not accessible to screen-reader
users.
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | >
| > | > ~ Kathleen Anderson
| > | > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| > | > Spider Web Woman Designs
| > | > web: http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | >> Called "Captcha" - Google it. It would work wonders.
| > | >>
| > | >> --
| > | >> Murray
| > | >> ============
| > | >>
| > | >> | > | >>> Requires server-side scripting, and possibly a database, in
whatever
| > | >>> technologies your host supports (ASP,asp.NET,PHP,Perl/CGI etc,
with
| > | >>> Access, mySQL, Ms SQL server for the database)
| > | >>> The form handler will parse the comment, and reject entirely or
| > remove
| > | >>> any links, or hold the comment for approval.
| > | >>>
| > | >>> You could also incorporate a graphic thingy (don't remember the
| > name)
| > | >>> that users have to copy into a field - this also requires
| > server-side
| > | >>> scripting for best results - spammers will have client-side
| > JavaScript
| > | >>> disabled.
| > | >>>
| > | >>> FrontPage guestbook will permit the use of the graphic using
| > clientside
| > | >>> validation, but this is not very effective, there is nothing
else
| > that
| > | >>> can be done (using FP) except frequent renaming or manually
vetting
| > the
| > | >>> posts.
| > | >>> --
| > | >>> Ron Symonds
| > | >>> Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
| > | >>> Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
| > | >>>
| > | >>> | > | >>>> Hi, I'm looking for a way to keep the spammers from loading my
| > | >>>> guestbook
| > | >>>> with their weblinks!
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>> I've seen the "nofollow" parameter. It seems like a way to
keep
| > the
| > | >>>> spammer from benefiting from the spam, but not to keep them
out of
| > my
| > | >>>> guestbook.
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>> I've seen the robots.txt thing. I have that in my site, but
again
| > I
| > | >>>> don't
| > | >>>> think that a spammer will give a darn about it, he's going to
do
| > what
| > | >>>> he
| > | >>>> wants anyway.
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>> I'd like a way to simply reject message input that has links
in it.
| > | >>>> Since
| > | >>>> the spam is basically all links, it should stop if I just
reject
| > | >>>> messages
| > | >>>> with links.
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>> How might I do this without monitoring every message, I want
to do
| > it
| > | >>>> with
| > | >>>> code, not with constant monitoring.
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>> Any other ideas??
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>> Thanks,
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>> larry.k
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>> --
| > | >>>> ---------------------------------------------
| > | >>>> "These improvements might be better, and the water might be
wetter;
| > | >>>> this hole will answer as a well, even if water is not to be
found
| > | >>>> this side of hell." Quote from a Dakota homesteader, 1890s
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>
| > | >>>
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

 

[Stefan B Rusynko]

Nice
- and it is all text ( just "decorated" w/ colors)




| http://www.great-web-sights.com/g_quote.asp
|
| --
| Murray
| ============
|
| | > Yep - I'm going to try it out today....
| >
| > --
| > Murray
| > ============
| >
| > | >> It's not perfect
| >> (it still uses colors - which a screen reader could not detect),
| >> - but the core function is there to modify the ASP script to be text
| >> based (screen reader friendly) only using CSS and html (no
| >> images or colors) by say just asking for the Nth character
| >>
| >> --
| >>
| >> _____________________________________________
| >> SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| >> "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| >> To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| >> http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| >> _____________________________________________
| >>
| >>
| >> | >> | Awesome, Stefan! That's a wonderful link. Thank you!
| >> |
| >> | --
| >> | Murray
| >> | ============
| >> |
| >> | | >> | > Here's a link to a CSS one using just text (instead of Captcha
| >> images)
| >> | > which should be more accessible to screen-reader users
| >> | > http://www.u229.no/stuff/Captcha/
| >> | > --
| >> | >
| >> | > _____________________________________________
| >> | > SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| >> | > "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| >> | > To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| >> | > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| >> | > _____________________________________________
| >> | >
| >> | >
| >> | > | >> | > | Sure thing. That is true.
| >> | > |
| >> | > | --
| >> | > | Murray
| >> | > | ============
| >> | > |
| >> | > | "Kathleen Anderson [MVP - FrontPage]" <[email protected]>
| >> wrote in
| >> | > | message | >> | > | > Unfortunately, CAPTCHAs are not accessible to screen-reader
| >> users.
| >> | > | >
| >> | > | > --
| >> | > | >
| >> | > | > ~ Kathleen Anderson
| >> | > | > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| >> | > | > Spider Web Woman Designs
| >> | > | > web: http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
| >> | > | >
| >> | > | >
| >> | > | >
| >> | > | >
| >> | > | > | >> | > | >> Called "Captcha" - Google it. It would work wonders.
| >> | > | >>
| >> | > | >> --
| >> | > | >> Murray
| >> | > | >> ============
| >> | > | >>
| >> | > | >> | >> | > | >>> Requires server-side scripting, and possibly a database, in
| >> whatever
| >> | > | >>> technologies your host supports (ASP,asp.NET,PHP,Perl/CGI etc,
| >> with
| >> | > | >>> Access, mySQL, Ms SQL server for the database)
| >> | > | >>> The form handler will parse the comment, and reject entirely or
| >> | > remove
| >> | > | >>> any links, or hold the comment for approval.
| >> | > | >>>
| >> | > | >>> You could also incorporate a graphic thingy (don't remember the
| >> | > name)
| >> | > | >>> that users have to copy into a field - this also requires
| >> | > server-side
| >> | > | >>> scripting for best results - spammers will have client-side
| >> | > JavaScript
| >> | > | >>> disabled.
| >> | > | >>>
| >> | > | >>> FrontPage guestbook will permit the use of the graphic using
| >> | > clientside
| >> | > | >>> validation, but this is not very effective, there is nothing
| >> else
| >> | > that
| >> | > | >>> can be done (using FP) except frequent renaming or manually
| >> vetting
| >> | > the
| >> | > | >>> posts.
| >> | > | >>> --
| >> | > | >>> Ron Symonds
| >> | > | >>> Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
| >> | > | >>> Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
| >> | > | >>>
| >> | > | >>> | >> | > | >>>> Hi, I'm looking for a way to keep the spammers from loading my
| >> | > | >>>> guestbook
| >> | > | >>>> with their weblinks!
| >> | > | >>>>
| >> | > | >>>> I've seen the "nofollow" parameter. It seems like a way to
| >> keep
| >> | > the
| >> | > | >>>> spammer from benefiting from the spam, but not to keep them
| >> out of
| >> | > my
| >> | > | >>>> guestbook.
| >> | > | >>>>
| >> | > | >>>> I've seen the robots.txt thing. I have that in my site, but
| >> again
| >> | > I
| >> | > | >>>> don't
| >> | > | >>>> think that a spammer will give a darn about it, he's going to
| >> do
| >> | > what
| >> | > | >>>> he
| >> | > | >>>> wants anyway.
| >> | > | >>>>
| >> | > | >>>> I'd like a way to simply reject message input that has links
| >> in it.
| >> | > | >>>> Since
| >> | > | >>>> the spam is basically all links, it should stop if I just
| >> reject
| >> | > | >>>> messages
| >> | > | >>>> with links.
| >> | > | >>>>
| >> | > | >>>> How might I do this without monitoring every message, I want
| >> to do
| >> | > it
| >> | > | >>>> with
| >> | > | >>>> code, not with constant monitoring.
| >> | > | >>>>
| >> | > | >>>> Any other ideas??
| >> | > | >>>>
| >> | > | >>>> Thanks,
| >> | > | >>>>
| >> | > | >>>> larry.k
| >> | > | >>>>
| >> | > | >>>>
| >> | > | >>>> --
| >> | > | >>>> ---------------------------------------------
| >> | > | >>>> "These improvements might be better, and the water might be
| >> wetter;
| >> | > | >>>> this hole will answer as a well, even if water is not to be
| >> found
| >> | > | >>>> this side of hell." Quote from a Dakota homesteader, 1890s
| >> | > | >>>>
| >> | > | >>>>
| >> | > | >>>
| >> | > | >>>
| >> | > | >>
| >> | > | >>
| >> | > | >
| >> | > | >
| >> | > |
| >> | > |
| >> | >
| >> | >
| >> |
| >> |
| >>
| >>
| >
| >
|
|

 

[Mike Mueller]

CAPTCHA may not be accessible, but I have noticed that MS
Passport has added to it. You can select to authenticate you
are a human via a wav file, and then typing in what you hear


"Kathleen Anderson [MVP - FrontPage]"
: Unfortunately, CAPTCHAs are not accessible to
screen-reader users.
:
: --
:
: ~ Kathleen Anderson
: Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
: Spider Web Woman Designs
: web: http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
:
:
:
:
message
: : > Called "Captcha" - Google it. It would work wonders.
: >
: > --
: > Murray
: > ============
: >
: > : >> Requires server-side scripting, and possibly a
database, in whatever
: >> technologies your host supports
(ASP,asp.NET,PHP,Perl/CGI etc, with
: >> Access, mySQL, Ms SQL server for the database)
: >> The form handler will parse the comment, and reject
entirely or remove
: >> any links, or hold the comment for approval.
: >>
: >> You could also incorporate a graphic thingy (don't
remember the name)
: >> that users have to copy into a field - this also
requires server-side
: >> scripting for best results - spammers will have
client-side JavaScript
: >> disabled.
: >>
: >> FrontPage guestbook will permit the use of the graphic
using clientside
: >> validation, but this is not very effective, there is
nothing else that
: >> can be done (using FP) except frequent renaming or
manually vetting the
: >> posts.
: >> --
: >> Ron Symonds
: >> Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
: >> Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
: >>
message
: >> : >>> Hi, I'm looking for a way to keep the spammers from
loading my guestbook
: >>> with their weblinks!
: >>>
: >>> I've seen the "nofollow" parameter. It seems like a
way to keep the
: >>> spammer from benefiting from the spam, but not to keep
them out of my
: >>> guestbook.
: >>>
: >>> I've seen the robots.txt thing. I have that in my
site, but again I
: >>> don't
: >>> think that a spammer will give a darn about it, he's
going to do what he
: >>> wants anyway.
: >>>
: >>> I'd like a way to simply reject message input that has
links in it.
: >>> Since
: >>> the spam is basically all links, it should stop if I
just reject
: >>> messages
: >>> with links.
: >>>
: >>> How might I do this without monitoring every message,
I want to do it
: >>> with
: >>> code, not with constant monitoring.
: >>>
: >>> Any other ideas??
: >>>
: >>> Thanks,
: >>>
: >>> larry.k
: >>>
: >>>
: >>> --
: >>> ---------------------------------------------
: >>> "These improvements might be better, and the water
might be wetter;
: >>> this hole will answer as a well, even if water is not
to be found
: >>> this side of hell." Quote from a Dakota homesteader,
1890s
: >>>
: >>>
: >>
: >>
: >
: >
:
:

 

[Murray]

Yes - but I have changed away from it. It's too inaccessible (blind,
color-blind, etc. unfriendly).

This is how I have finally decided to go -
http://www.great-web-sights.com/g_quote.asp

The hint is written with javascript so that it won't be readable by bots.

--
Murray
============

Nice
- and it is all text ( just "decorated" w/ colors)




| http://www.great-web-sights.com/g_quote.asp
|
| --
| Murray
| ============
|
| | > Yep - I'm going to try it out today....
| >
| > --
| > Murray
| > ============
| >
| > | >> It's not perfect
| >> (it still uses colors - which a screen reader could not detect),
| >> - but the core function is there to modify the ASP script to be text
| >> based (screen reader friendly) only using CSS and html (no
| >> images or colors) by say just asking for the Nth character
| >>
| >> --
| >>
| >> _____________________________________________
| >> SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| >> "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| >> To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| >> http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| >> _____________________________________________
| >>
| >>
| >> | >> | Awesome, Stefan! That's a wonderful link. Thank you!
| >> |
| >> | --
| >> | Murray
| >> | ============
| >> |
| >> | | >> | > Here's a link to a CSS one using just text (instead of Captcha
| >> images)
| >> | > which should be more accessible to screen-reader users
| >> | > http://www.u229.no/stuff/Captcha/
| >> | > --
| >> | >
| >> | > _____________________________________________
| >> | > SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| >> | > "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| >> | > To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| >> | > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| >> | > _____________________________________________
| >> | >
| >> | >
| >> | > | >> | > | Sure thing. That is true.
| >> | > |
| >> | > | --
| >> | > | Murray
| >> | > | ============
| >> | > |
| >> | > | "Kathleen Anderson [MVP - FrontPage]" <[email protected]>
| >> wrote in
| >> | > | message | >> | > | > Unfortunately, CAPTCHAs are not accessible to screen-reader
| >> users.
| >> | > | >
| >> | > | > --
| >> | > | >
| >> | > | > ~ Kathleen Anderson
| >> | > | > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| >> | > | > Spider Web Woman Designs
| >> | > | > web: http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
| >> | > | >
| >> | > | >
| >> | > | >
| >> | > | >
| >> | > | > | >> | > | >> Called "Captcha" - Google it. It would work wonders.
| >> | > | >>
| >> | > | >> --
| >> | > | >> Murray
| >> | > | >> ============
| >> | > | >>
| >> | > | >> | >> | > | >>> Requires server-side scripting, and possibly a database, in
| >> whatever
| >> | > | >>> technologies your host supports (ASP,asp.NET,PHP,Perl/CGI
etc,
| >> with
| >> | > | >>> Access, mySQL, Ms SQL server for the database)
| >> | > | >>> The form handler will parse the comment, and reject
entirely or
| >> | > remove
| >> | > | >>> any links, or hold the comment for approval.
| >> | > | >>>
| >> | > | >>> You could also incorporate a graphic thingy (don't remember
the
| >> | > name)
| >> | > | >>> that users have to copy into a field - this also requires
| >> | > server-side
| >> | > | >>> scripting for best results - spammers will have client-side
| >> | > JavaScript
| >> | > | >>> disabled.
| >> | > | >>>
| >> | > | >>> FrontPage guestbook will permit the use of the graphic
using
| >> | > clientside
| >> | > | >>> validation, but this is not very effective, there is
nothing
| >> else
| >> | > that
| >> | > | >>> can be done (using FP) except frequent renaming or manually
| >> vetting
| >> | > the
| >> | > | >>> posts.
| >> | > | >>> --
| >> | > | >>> Ron Symonds
| >> | > | >>> Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
| >> | > | >>> Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
| >> | > | >>>
| >> | > | >>> | >> | > | >>>> Hi, I'm looking for a way to keep the spammers from
loading my
| >> | > | >>>> guestbook
| >> | > | >>>> with their weblinks!
| >> | > | >>>>
| >> | > | >>>> I've seen the "nofollow" parameter. It seems like a way
to
| >> keep
| >> | > the
| >> | > | >>>> spammer from benefiting from the spam, but not to keep
them
| >> out of
| >> | > my
| >> | > | >>>> guestbook.
| >> | > | >>>>
| >> | > | >>>> I've seen the robots.txt thing. I have that in my site,
but
| >> again
| >> | > I
| >> | > | >>>> don't
| >> | > | >>>> think that a spammer will give a darn about it, he's going
to
| >> do
| >> | > what
| >> | > | >>>> he
| >> | > | >>>> wants anyway.
| >> | > | >>>>
| >> | > | >>>> I'd like a way to simply reject message input that has
links
| >> in it.
| >> | > | >>>> Since
| >> | > | >>>> the spam is basically all links, it should stop if I just
| >> reject
| >> | > | >>>> messages
| >> | > | >>>> with links.
| >> | > | >>>>
| >> | > | >>>> How might I do this without monitoring every message, I
want
| >> to do
| >> | > it
| >> | > | >>>> with
| >> | > | >>>> code, not with constant monitoring.
| >> | > | >>>>
| >> | > | >>>> Any other ideas??
| >> | > | >>>>
| >> | > | >>>> Thanks,
| >> | > | >>>>
| >> | > | >>>> larry.k
| >> | > | >>>>
| >> | > | >>>>
| >> | > | >>>> --
| >> | > | >>>> ---------------------------------------------
| >> | > | >>>> "These improvements might be better, and the water might
be
| >> wetter;
| >> | > | >>>> this hole will answer as a well, even if water is not to
be
| >> found
| >> | > | >>>> this side of hell." Quote from a Dakota homesteader,
1890s
| >> | > | >>>>
| >> | > | >>>>
| >> | > | >>>
| >> | > | >>>
| >> | > | >>
| >> | > | >>
| >> | > | >
| >> | > | >
| >> | > |
| >> | > |
| >> | >
| >> | >
| >> |
| >> |
| >>
| >>
| >
| >
|
|