Anyway to make a paste special unformatted text single key stroke?

[Robert M. Lewis]

Word Mac X.

When I paste special it is virtually always unformatted text. I have tried
through customization (but it is not an option there) and macros (they don't
work, they just paste with all the formatting as well) to make a single key
stroke, e.g., shift-command v, to paste text only? Entourage actually allows
you to, so it is odd that Word doesn't.

BTW, the macro as I recorded it is:

Sub Pastetext()
'
' Pastetext Macro
' Macro recorded 10/3/05 by Robert M. Lewis
'
Selection.PasteSpecial Link:=False, DataType:=wdPasteText, Placement:= _
wdInLine, DisplayAsIcon:=False
End Sub

if that helps. Also I am saving this macro (and keystroke if it were
possible) in a particular template.

 

[matt neuburg]

When I paste special it is virtually always unformatted text. I have tried
through customization (but it is not an option there) and macros (they don't
work, they just paste with all the formatting as well) to make a single key
stroke, e.g., shift-command v, to paste text only? Entourage actually allows
you to, so it is odd that Word doesn't.

BTW, the macro as I recorded it is:

Sub Pastetext()
'
' Pastetext Macro
' Macro recorded 10/3/05 by Robert M. Lewis
'
Selection.PasteSpecial Link:=False, DataType:=wdPasteText, Placement:= _
wdInLine, DisplayAsIcon:=False
End Sub

That can be shortened, but yes, that's exactly how I do it. Works fine.
What's the problem you're having? m.

 

[Robert M. Lewis]

That can be shortened, but yes, that's exactly how I do it. Works fine.
What's the problem you're having? m.

It doesn't paste unformatted text, the text is formatted.

 

[Robert M. Lewis]

Hmm, I recorded it again and now it works correctly. I have no ideas why it
does now as it looks exactly the same.

 

[matt neuburg]

It doesn't paste unformatted text, the text is formatted.

What if you choose Paste Special > Unformatted? Does that give a
different result from what this macro gives, when copying the same
material from the same source? m.

 

[Tony]

Hi,

The best would be a keyboard shortcut:

Shift Comman C to copy unformatted text.
Shift Comman V to paste unformatted text.

As appliations like Eudora 6 do.

---

 

[matt neuburg]

Hi,

The best would be a keyboard shortcut:

Shift Comman V to paste unformatted text.

Right, but the point is that you can have exactly that (using a macro)
but that the OP said it wasn't working. However, now he says it does,
so, case closed. m.

 

[John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]]

Hi Tony:

That's exactly what I use (I normally use the INSERT key to paste as
Formatted, and Command + V to paste as unformatted).

Copy Robert's macro, put it in your Normal template, and name it EditPaste.
Most Word "commands" are actually macros. If you have a macro of the same
name, its functionality replaces the command.

I actually use two macros:

Sub EditPaste()
On Error GoTo notAvailable

Selection.PasteSpecial Link:=False, DataType:=20
End

notAvailable:
Selection.Paste

End Sub

Sub EditPasteFormatted()

Selection.Paste

End Sub


The first macro uses a very crude "On Error" method of trapping the
condition where "plain text" is not one of the formats available on the
clipboard. It's crude, but it works: and saves you having to successively
try each option to find out what the hell *is* on the clipboard.

VBA does not have a way to examine the clipboard to see what actually is
there. There is usually a selection of formats (can be five or six,
depending on the application you copied from). This can be a little
character building, because the "data" is not actually ON the clipboard of
the source application is still open. There's just a pointer to it, and the
source application then produces the data to the clipboard in the format you
request when you ask for it.

Cheers

Hi,

The best would be a keyboard shortcut:

Shift Comman C to copy unformatted text.
Shift Comman V to paste unformatted text.

As appliations like Eudora 6 do.

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Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer
Sydney, Australia +61 4 1209 1410

 

[Tony]

John,

Thanks.

It would be good if Microsoft could implement it also as keyboard
commands and as menu options.

That is the Mac way.

---

 

[John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]]

They have -- it's up to you to read the Help

You can put anything you like on the menus, or keyboard commands.

However, if you had thought a minute about what I wrote in my response, you
may have understood that it does both.

That is the Users helping other Users way.

John,

Thanks.

It would be good if Microsoft could implement it also as keyboard
commands and as menu options.

That is the Mac way.

--

Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer
Sydney, Australia +61 4 1209 1410

 

[Tony]

John,

Thanks. I did indeed...

But I just wanted to suggest a way to have it standard from the
manufacturer now and always. If you do it yourself customizing Word,
that is OK for the moment, but when you re-install on the same or other
Mac, or when new versions come out, you must re-do things. That is the
way I see things.

I do not know about other people, but I use the special paste as simple
text hundreds of times every day! So a standard menu and command for it
would be nice:

And I tell you that because I know you have "power" on Microsoft
development policies, so if I could "convince" you I am quite sure that
it would be implemented...



Regards,

---

 

[Clive Huggan]

Hello Tony,

I've been following your post with some interest.

I don't hold a torch for Microsoft, but from the things I observe here and
elsewhere, there are features that squillions of people hold dear and want
to see in Word "out of the box". Some of these people are even as
passionate as you about their wishes! (Don't take that at all negatively --
there isn't enough passion around!)

I get the impression that Microsoft carefully analyses the needs of the
majority of users (who use Word as a typewriter; Word comes with their job;
and they want to know the minimum to produce work required by their boss
without having to delve into this and that). Then, for reasons I can only
guess at, including historic motivations to throttle every competing product
on the market (a motivation of the free enterprise system that has given us
unprecedented prosperity, despite its well-known downsides), they have added
additional functionality.

The key to some of this extra functionality is that if a user is prepared to
take time to learn to apply configurations he/she prefers, some wonderful
results can ensue. I find that in some of my work the improvement in
efficiency, hence income, is 20%. That's why I appreciate that Word can be
configured so extensively.

However, if Microsoft responded to everybody's requests for "extras" in the
out-of-the-box configuration, the product would be more daunting than at
present. And I think that would be a major problem.

In my experience of "ordinary" (but intelligent) users in my [non-IT]
consulting work, they never have a need to paste unformatted text. Even if
they did, most would not want default keyboard shortcuts (PC users of Word,
for example, don't use keyboard shortcuts nearly as much as Mac users do).

I use this facility frequently in my work, but I would not want the keyboard
shortcuts you propose -- they aren't as easy on the fingers as others, and I
can't see the point of having a "copy unformatted text", since Command-c is
all that's required.

So the moral is (only IMHO) that once you learn how to configure Word, you
can apply what you want, not what an analysis of innumerable out-of-the-box
users has produced. It's empowerment, in its own small way.

BTW, you don't have to re-do your configurations when you upgrade or
re-install Word (with a couple of very minor exceptions).

<end rant>

<Anyone still there? No? Well, it felt good while I was doing it. Now I
must go back to earning a living.>

As to John's "power" that you attribute, I'll leave that to him... ;-)


Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is at least 5 hours different from the US and Europe, so my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
============================================================

John,

Thanks. I did indeed...

But I just wanted to suggest a way to have it standard from the
manufacturer now and always. If you do it yourself customizing Word,
that is OK for the moment, but when you re-install on the same or other
Mac, or when new versions come out, you must re-do things. That is the
way I see things.

I do not know about other people, but I use the special paste as simple
text hundreds of times every day! So a standard menu and command for it
would be nice:

And I tell you that because I know you have "power" on Microsoft
development policies, so if I could "convince" you I am quite sure that
it would be implemented...



Regards,

---

They have -- it's up to you to read the Help

You can put anything you like on the menus, or keyboard commands.

However, if you had thought a minute about what I wrote in my response, you
may have understood that it does both.

That is the Users helping other Users way.

John,

Thanks.

It would be good if Microsoft could implement it also as keyboard
commands and as menu options.

That is the Mac way.

---
On 2005-03-19 12:56:23 +0100, "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word
Macintosh]" <[email protected]> said:

Hi Tony:

That's exactly what I use (I normally use the INSERT key to paste as
Formatted, and Command + V to paste as unformatted).

Copy Robert's macro, put it in your Normal template, and name it EditPaste.
Most Word "commands" are actually macros. If you have a macro of the same
name, its functionality replaces the command.

I actually use two macros:

Sub EditPaste()
On Error GoTo notAvailable

Selection.PasteSpecial Link:=False, DataType:=20
End

notAvailable:
Selection.Paste
End Sub

Sub EditPasteFormatted()

Selection.Paste
End Sub


The first macro uses a very crude "On Error" method of trapping the
condition where "plain text" is not one of the formats available on the
clipboard. It's crude, but it works: and saves you having to successively
try each option to find out what the hell *is* on the clipboard.

VBA does not have a way to examine the clipboard to see what actually is
there. There is usually a selection of formats (can be five or six,
depending on the application you copied from). This can be a little
character building, because the "data" is not actually ON the clipboard of
the source application is still open. There's just a pointer to it, and
the
source application then produces the data to the clipboard in the format
you
request when you ask for it.

Cheers


On 15/3/05 05:16, in article 2005031419163416807%nospam@nospamcom, "Tony"

Hi,

The best would be a keyboard shortcut:

Shift Comman C to copy unformatted text.
Shift Comman V to paste unformatted text.

As appliations like Eudora 6 do.

---

On 2005-03-14 16:15:24 +0100, (e-mail address removed) (matt neuburg) said:


On 11/3/05 2:02 PM, in article 1gt9697.p4tjra17sxa5kN%[email protected],

When I paste special it is virtually always unformatted text. I have
tried through customization (but it is not an option there) and macros
(they don't work, they just paste with all the formatting as well) to
make a single key stroke, e.g., shift-command v, to paste text only?
Entourage actually allows you to, so it is odd that Word doesn't.

BTW, the macro as I recorded it is:

Sub Pastetext()
'
' Pastetext Macro
' Macro recorded 10/3/05 by Robert M. Lewis
'
Selection.PasteSpecial Link:=False, DataType:=wdPasteText,
Placement:= _ wdInLine, DisplayAsIcon:=False
End Sub

That can be shortened, but yes, that's exactly how I do it. Works fine.
What's the problem you're having? m.

It doesn't paste unformatted text, the text is formatted.

What if you choose Paste Special > Unformatted? Does that give a
different result from what this macro gives, when copying the same
material from the same source? m.

 

[Tony]

Clive,

I basically agree with you.

But I just wonder how many people really need the menu options and
keyboard shortcuts to copy and paste unformatted test... because for me
that is absolutely essential.

Why?

Because I use it hundreds of times every day. Because I work with
documents in which I am constantly copying and pasting text from/to
many different sources, including web pages, PDF files, emails, etc.

On the other hand the proposed keyboard shortcuts are not because they
are easy or difficult; it is just because they are standard in other
applications (as an example, you can check out Eudora mail):

Shift Command C to copy unformatted text.
Shift Command V to paste unformatted text.

Regards,

---

Hello Tony,

I've been following your post with some interest.

I don't hold a torch for Microsoft, but from the things I observe here and
elsewhere, there are features that squillions of people hold dear and want
to see in Word "out of the box". Some of these people are even as
passionate as you about their wishes! (Don't take that at all negatively --
there isn't enough passion around!)

I get the impression that Microsoft carefully analyses the needs of the
majority of users (who use Word as a typewriter; Word comes with their job;
and they want to know the minimum to produce work required by their boss
without having to delve into this and that). Then, for reasons I can only
guess at, including historic motivations to throttle every competing product
on the market (a motivation of the free enterprise system that has given us
unprecedented prosperity, despite its well-known downsides), they have added
additional functionality.

The key to some of this extra functionality is that if a user is prepared to
take time to learn to apply configurations he/she prefers, some wonderful
results can ensue. I find that in some of my work the improvement in
efficiency, hence income, is 20%. That's why I appreciate that Word can be
configured so extensively.

However, if Microsoft responded to everybody's requests for "extras" in the
out-of-the-box configuration, the product would be more daunting than at
present. And I think that would be a major problem.

In my experience of "ordinary" (but intelligent) users in my [non-IT]
consulting work, they never have a need to paste unformatted text. Even if
they did, most would not want default keyboard shortcuts (PC users of Word,
for example, don't use keyboard shortcuts nearly as much as Mac users do).

I use this facility frequently in my work, but I would not want the keyboard
shortcuts you propose -- they aren't as easy on the fingers as others, and I
can't see the point of having a "copy unformatted text", since Command-c is
all that's required.

So the moral is (only IMHO) that once you learn how to configure Word, you
can apply what you want, not what an analysis of innumerable out-of-the-box
users has produced. It's empowerment, in its own small way.

BTW, you don't have to re-do your configurations when you upgrade or
re-install Word (with a couple of very minor exceptions).

<end rant>

<Anyone still there? No? Well, it felt good while I was doing it. Now I
must go back to earning a living.>

As to John's "power" that you attribute, I'll leave that to him... ;-)


Cheers,

Clive Huggan Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is at least 5 hours different from the US and Europe, so my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
============================================================

John,

Thanks. I did indeed...

But I just wanted to suggest a way to have it standard from the
manufacturer now and always. If you do it yourself customizing Word,
that is OK for the moment, but when you re-install on the same or other
Mac, or when new versions come out, you must re-do things. That is the
way I see things.

I do not know about other people, but I use the special paste as simple
text hundreds of times every day! So a standard menu and command for it
would be nice:

Shift Comman C to copy unformatted text.
Shift Comman V to paste unformatted text.

And I tell you that because I know you have "power" on Microsoft
development policies, so if I could "convince" you I am quite sure that
it would be implemented...



Regards,

---

They have -- it's up to you to read the Help

You can put anything you like on the menus, or keyboard commands.

However, if you had thought a minute about what I wrote in my response, you
may have understood that it does both.

That is the Users helping other Users way.

On 20/3/05 04:00, in article 2005031918001243658%nospam@nospamcom, "Tony"

John,

Thanks.

It would be good if Microsoft could implement it also as keyboard
commands and as menu options.

That is the Mac way.

---
On 2005-03-19 12:56:23 +0100, "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word
Macintosh]" <[email protected]> said:

Hi Tony:

That's exactly what I use (I normally use the INSERT key to paste as
Formatted, and Command + V to paste as unformatted).

Copy Robert's macro, put it in your Normal template, and name it EditPaste.
Most Word "commands" are actually macros. If you have a macro of the same
name, its functionality replaces the command.

I actually use two macros:

Sub EditPaste()
On Error GoTo notAvailable

Selection.PasteSpecial Link:=False, DataType:=20
End

notAvailable:
Selection.Paste
End Sub

Sub EditPasteFormatted()

Selection.Paste
End Sub


The first macro uses a very crude "On Error" method of trapping the
condition where "plain text" is not one of the formats available on the
clipboard. It's crude, but it works: and saves you having to successively
try each option to find out what the hell *is* on the clipboard.

VBA does not have a way to examine the clipboard to see what actually is
there. There is usually a selection of formats (can be five or six,
depending on the application you copied from). This can be a little
character building, because the "data" is not actually ON the clipboard of
the source application is still open. There's just a pointer to it, and
the
source application then produces the data to the clipboard in the format
you
request when you ask for it.

Cheers


On 15/3/05 05:16, in article 2005031419163416807%nospam@nospamcom, "Tony"

Hi,

The best would be a keyboard shortcut:

Shift Comman C to copy unformatted text.
Shift Comman V to paste unformatted text.

As appliations like Eudora 6 do.

---

On 2005-03-14 16:15:24 +0100, (e-mail address removed) (matt neuburg) said:


On 11/3/05 2:02 PM, in article 1gt9697.p4tjra17sxa5kN%[email protected],

When I paste special it is virtually always unformatted text. I have
tried through customization (but it is not an option there) and macros
(they don't work, they just paste with all the formatting as well) to
make a single key stroke, e.g., shift-command v, to paste text only?
Entourage actually allows you to, so it is odd that Word doesn't.

BTW, the macro as I recorded it is:

Sub Pastetext()
'
' Pastetext Macro
' Macro recorded 10/3/05 by Robert M. Lewis
'
Selection.PasteSpecial Link:=False, DataType:=wdPasteText,
Placement:= _ wdInLine, DisplayAsIcon:=False
End Sub

That can be shortened, but yes, that's exactly how I do it. Works fine.
What's the problem you're having? m.

It doesn't paste unformatted text, the text is formatted.

What if you choose Paste Special > Unformatted? Does that give a
different result from what this macro gives, when copying the same
material from the same source? m.

 

[Matt Centurión [MSFT]]

We'd need to see more consistent use of those shortcuts across the industry
in order to consider this. Eudora as the only example is not good enough.
And Eudora is also not a good application to take UI cues from (this comes
from the author of the app itself).

Matt
MacWord Testing
MacBU - Microsoft

Clive,

I basically agree with you.

But I just wonder how many people really need the menu options and
keyboard shortcuts to copy and paste unformatted test... because for me
that is absolutely essential.

Why?

Because I use it hundreds of times every day. Because I work with
documents in which I am constantly copying and pasting text from/to
many different sources, including web pages, PDF files, emails, etc.

On the other hand the proposed keyboard shortcuts are not because they
are easy or difficult; it is just because they are standard in other
applications (as an example, you can check out Eudora mail):

Shift Command C to copy unformatted text.
Shift Command V to paste unformatted text.

Regards,

---

Hello Tony,

I've been following your post with some interest.

I don't hold a torch for Microsoft, but from the things I observe here and
elsewhere, there are features that squillions of people hold dear and want
to see in Word "out of the box". Some of these people are even as
passionate as you about their wishes! (Don't take that at all negatively --
there isn't enough passion around!)

I get the impression that Microsoft carefully analyses the needs of the
majority of users (who use Word as a typewriter; Word comes with their job;
and they want to know the minimum to produce work required by their boss
without having to delve into this and that). Then, for reasons I can only
guess at, including historic motivations to throttle every competing product
on the market (a motivation of the free enterprise system that has given us
unprecedented prosperity, despite its well-known downsides), they have added
additional functionality.

The key to some of this extra functionality is that if a user is prepared to
take time to learn to apply configurations he/she prefers, some wonderful
results can ensue. I find that in some of my work the improvement in
efficiency, hence income, is 20%. That's why I appreciate that Word can be
configured so extensively.

However, if Microsoft responded to everybody's requests for "extras" in the
out-of-the-box configuration, the product would be more daunting than at
present. And I think that would be a major problem.

In my experience of "ordinary" (but intelligent) users in my [non-IT]
consulting work, they never have a need to paste unformatted text. Even if
they did, most would not want default keyboard shortcuts (PC users of Word,
for example, don't use keyboard shortcuts nearly as much as Mac users do).

I use this facility frequently in my work, but I would not want the keyboard
shortcuts you propose -- they aren't as easy on the fingers as others, and I
can't see the point of having a "copy unformatted text", since Command-c is
all that's required.

So the moral is (only IMHO) that once you learn how to configure Word, you
can apply what you want, not what an analysis of innumerable out-of-the-box
users has produced. It's empowerment, in its own small way.

BTW, you don't have to re-do your configurations when you upgrade or
re-install Word (with a couple of very minor exceptions).

<end rant>

<Anyone still there? No? Well, it felt good while I was doing it. Now I
must go back to earning a living.>

As to John's "power" that you attribute, I'll leave that to him... ;-)


Cheers,

Clive Huggan Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is at least 5 hours different from the US and Europe, so my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
============================================================

John,

Thanks. I did indeed...

But I just wanted to suggest a way to have it standard from the
manufacturer now and always. If you do it yourself customizing Word,
that is OK for the moment, but when you re-install on the same or other
Mac, or when new versions come out, you must re-do things. That is the
way I see things.

I do not know about other people, but I use the special paste as simple
text hundreds of times every day! So a standard menu and command for it
would be nice:

Shift Comman C to copy unformatted text.
Shift Comman V to paste unformatted text.

And I tell you that because I know you have "power" on Microsoft
development policies, so if I could "convince" you I am quite sure that
it would be implemented...



Regards,

---
On 2005-03-21 10:43:49 +0100, "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word
Macintosh]" <[email protected]> said:

They have -- it's up to you to read the Help

You can put anything you like on the menus, or keyboard commands.

However, if you had thought a minute about what I wrote in my response, you
may have understood that it does both.

That is the Users helping other Users way.

On 20/3/05 04:00, in article 2005031918001243658%nospam@nospamcom, "Tony"

John,

Thanks.

It would be good if Microsoft could implement it also as keyboard
commands and as menu options.

That is the Mac way.

---
On 2005-03-19 12:56:23 +0100, "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word
Macintosh]" <[email protected]> said:

Hi Tony:

That's exactly what I use (I normally use the INSERT key to paste as
Formatted, and Command + V to paste as unformatted).

Copy Robert's macro, put it in your Normal template, and name it
EditPaste.
Most Word "commands" are actually macros. If you have a macro of the
same
name, its functionality replaces the command.

I actually use two macros:

Sub EditPaste()
On Error GoTo notAvailable

Selection.PasteSpecial Link:=False, DataType:=20
End

notAvailable:
Selection.Paste
End Sub

Sub EditPasteFormatted()

Selection.Paste
End Sub


The first macro uses a very crude "On Error" method of trapping the
condition where "plain text" is not one of the formats available on the
clipboard. It's crude, but it works: and saves you having to
successively
try each option to find out what the hell *is* on the clipboard.

VBA does not have a way to examine the clipboard to see what actually is
there. There is usually a selection of formats (can be five or six,
depending on the application you copied from). This can be a little
character building, because the "data" is not actually ON the clipboard
of
the source application is still open. There's just a pointer to it, and
the
source application then produces the data to the clipboard in the format
you
request when you ask for it.

Cheers


On 15/3/05 05:16, in article 2005031419163416807%nospam@nospamcom, "Tony"

Hi,

The best would be a keyboard shortcut:

Shift Comman C to copy unformatted text.
Shift Comman V to paste unformatted text.

As appliations like Eudora 6 do.

---

On 2005-03-14 16:15:24 +0100, (e-mail address removed) (matt neuburg) said:


On 11/3/05 2:02 PM, in article
1gt9697.p4tjra17sxa5kN%[email protected],

When I paste special it is virtually always unformatted text. I have
tried through customization (but it is not an option there) and
macros
(they don't work, they just paste with all the formatting as well)
to
make a single key stroke, e.g., shift-command v, to paste text only?
Entourage actually allows you to, so it is odd that Word doesn't.

BTW, the macro as I recorded it is:

Sub Pastetext()
'
' Pastetext Macro
' Macro recorded 10/3/05 by Robert M. Lewis
'
Selection.PasteSpecial Link:=False, DataType:=wdPasteText,
Placement:= _ wdInLine, DisplayAsIcon:=False
End Sub

That can be shortened, but yes, that's exactly how I do it. Works
fine.
What's the problem you're having? m.

It doesn't paste unformatted text, the text is formatted.

What if you choose Paste Special > Unformatted? Does that give a
different result from what this macro gives, when copying the same
material from the same source? m.

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[Tony]

Matt,

Here are other word processor appliacation examples:

• Mariner Write allows three useful actions: "Copy UnformattedË, "Paste
UnformattedË and "Copy StyleË.

• Mellel has "Copy Plain Text", "Copy Character Attributes" and "Copy
Paragraph Attributes".

• Nisus Writer Express has "Copy Text Only", "Copy Font" and "Copy
Ruler". As well as "Paste Text Only", "Paste Font" and "Paste Ruler".

• TextEdit has "Paste with Current Style".

• MacWrite Pro (Mac OS 9) has "Copy and Paste Style" features.

As previously said, if you copy/paste all the time from/to different
documents using Word as I do, such features would be really handy as
both menu options and keyboard shortcut commands.

Just a suggestion...

Regards,

---

We'd need to see more consistent use of those shortcuts across the industry
in order to consider this. Eudora as the only example is not good enough.
And Eudora is also not a good application to take UI cues from (this comes
from the author of the app itself).

Matt
MacWord Testing
MacBU - Microsoft

Clive,

I basically agree with you.

But I just wonder how many people really need the menu options and
keyboard shortcuts to copy and paste unformatted test... because for me
that is absolutely essential.

Why?

Because I use it hundreds of times every day. Because I work with
documents in which I am constantly copying and pasting text from/to
many different sources, including web pages, PDF files, emails, etc.

On the other hand the proposed keyboard shortcuts are not because they
are easy or difficult; it is just because they are standard in other
applications (as an example, you can check out Eudora mail):

Shift Command C to copy unformatted text.
Shift Command V to paste unformatted text.

Regards,

---

Hello Tony,

I've been following your post with some interest.

I don't hold a torch for Microsoft, but from the things I observe here and
elsewhere, there are features that squillions of people hold dear and want
to see in Word "out of the box". Some of these people are even as
passionate as you about their wishes! (Don't take that at all negatively --
there isn't enough passion around!)

I get the impression that Microsoft carefully analyses the needs of the
majority of users (who use Word as a typewriter; Word comes with their job;
and they want to know the minimum to produce work required by their boss
without having to delve into this and that). Then, for reasons I can only
guess at, including historic motivations to throttle every competing product
on the market (a motivation of the free enterprise system that has given us
unprecedented prosperity, despite its well-known downsides), they have added
additional functionality.

The key to some of this extra functionality is that if a user is prepared to
take time to learn to apply configurations he/she prefers, some wonderful
results can ensue. I find that in some of my work the improvement in
efficiency, hence income, is 20%. That's why I appreciate that Word can be
configured so extensively.

However, if Microsoft responded to everybody's requests for "extras" in the
out-of-the-box configuration, the product would be more daunting than at
present. And I think that would be a major problem.

In my experience of "ordinary" (but intelligent) users in my [non-IT]
consulting work, they never have a need to paste unformatted text. Even if
they did, most would not want default keyboard shortcuts (PC users of Word,
for example, don't use keyboard shortcuts nearly as much as Mac users do).

I use this facility frequently in my work, but I would not want the keyboard
shortcuts you propose -- they aren't as easy on the fingers as others, and I
can't see the point of having a "copy unformatted text", since Command-c is
all that's required.

So the moral is (only IMHO) that once you learn how to configure Word, you
can apply what you want, not what an analysis of innumerable out-of-the-box
users has produced. It's empowerment, in its own small way.

BTW, you don't have to re-do your configurations when you upgrade or
re-install Word (with a couple of very minor exceptions).

<end rant>

<Anyone still there? No? Well, it felt good while I was doing it. Now I
must go back to earning a living.>

As to John's "power" that you attribute, I'll leave that to him... ;-)


Cheers,

Clive Huggan Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is at least 5 hours different from the US and Europe, so my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
============================================================



On 22/3/05 12:34 AM, in article 2005032114340850073%nospam@nospamcom, "Tony"

John,

Thanks. I did indeed...

But I just wanted to suggest a way to have it standard from the
manufacturer now and always. If you do it yourself customizing Word,
that is OK for the moment, but when you re-install on the same or other
Mac, or when new versions come out, you must re-do things. That is the
way I see things.

I do not know about other people, but I use the special paste as simple
text hundreds of times every day! So a standard menu and command for it
would be nice:

Shift Comman C to copy unformatted text.
Shift Comman V to paste unformatted text.

And I tell you that because I know you have "power" on Microsoft
development policies, so if I could "convince" you I am quite sure that
it would be implemented...



Regards,

---
On 2005-03-21 10:43:49 +0100, "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word
Macintosh]" <[email protected]> said:

They have -- it's up to you to read the Help

You can put anything you like on the menus, or keyboard commands.

However, if you had thought a minute about what I wrote in my response, you
may have understood that it does both.

That is the Users helping other Users way.

On 20/3/05 04:00, in article 2005031918001243658%nospam@nospamcom, "Tony"

John,

Thanks.

It would be good if Microsoft could implement it also as keyboard
commands and as menu options.

That is the Mac way.

---
On 2005-03-19 12:56:23 +0100, "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word
Macintosh]" <[email protected]> said:

Hi Tony:

That's exactly what I use (I normally use the INSERT key to paste as
Formatted, and Command + V to paste as unformatted).

Copy Robert's macro, put it in your Normal template, and name it
EditPaste.
Most Word "commands" are actually macros. If you have a macro of the
same
name, its functionality replaces the command.

I actually use two macros:

Sub EditPaste()
On Error GoTo notAvailable

Selection.PasteSpecial Link:=False, DataType:=20
End

notAvailable:
Selection.Paste
End Sub

Sub EditPasteFormatted()

Selection.Paste
End Sub


The first macro uses a very crude "On Error" method of trapping the
condition where "plain text" is not one of the formats available on the
clipboard. It's crude, but it works: and saves you having to
successively
try each option to find out what the hell *is* on the clipboard.

VBA does not have a way to examine the clipboard to see what actually is
there. There is usually a selection of formats (can be five or six,
depending on the application you copied from). This can be a little
character building, because the "data" is not actually ON the clipboard
of
the source application is still open. There's just a pointer to it, and
the
source application then produces the data to the clipboard in the format
you
request when you ask for it.

Cheers


On 15/3/05 05:16, in article 2005031419163416807%nospam@nospamcom, "Tony"

Hi,

The best would be a keyboard shortcut:

Shift Comman C to copy unformatted text.
Shift Comman V to paste unformatted text.

As appliations like Eudora 6 do.

---

On 2005-03-14 16:15:24 +0100, (e-mail address removed) (matt neuburg) said:


On 11/3/05 2:02 PM, in article
1gt9697.p4tjra17sxa5kN%[email protected],

When I paste special it is virtually always unformatted text. I have
tried through customization (but it is not an option there) and
macros
(they don't work, they just paste with all the formatting as well)
to
make a single key stroke, e.g., shift-command v, to paste text only?
Entourage actually allows you to, so it is odd that Word doesn't.

BTW, the macro as I recorded it is:

Sub Pastetext()
'
' Pastetext Macro
' Macro recorded 10/3/05 by Robert M. Lewis
'
Selection.PasteSpecial Link:=False, DataType:=wdPasteText,
Placement:= _ wdInLine, DisplayAsIcon:=False
End Sub

That can be shortened, but yes, that's exactly how I do it. Works
fine.
What's the problem you're having? m.

It doesn't paste unformatted text, the text is formatted.

What if you choose Paste Special > Unformatted? Does that give a
different result from what this macro gives, when copying the same
material from the same source? m.

 

[Matt Centurión [MSFT]]

On 3/23/05 12:21 AM, in article 2005032309215516807%nospam@nospamcom, "Tony"

Thanks Tony for these examples. We'll look into this. In the meanwhile does
the Macro solution solve your requirement of being able to do this?

As for Copying & Pasting formats we currently have a way of doing that. The
Format Painter is located in the Std toolbar and can be used like this:

a) Select text of a Format
b) Click "Format Painter"
c) Select text you want to apply the format to

If you'd like to apply the format several times, you can add the "All
Categories | Paste Format" button to your toolbar or give it a keyboard
shortcut.

Thanks,

Matt
MacWord Testing
MacBU - Microsoft

Matt,

Here are other word processor appliacation examples:

€ Mariner Write allows three useful actions: "Copy Unformatted›, "Paste
Unformatted› and "Copy Style›.

€ Mellel has "Copy Plain Text", "Copy Character Attributes" and "Copy
Paragraph Attributes".

€ Nisus Writer Express has "Copy Text Only", "Copy Font" and "Copy
Ruler". As well as "Paste Text Only", "Paste Font" and "Paste Ruler".

€ TextEdit has "Paste with Current Style".

€ MacWrite Pro (Mac OS 9) has "Copy and Paste Style" features.

As previously said, if you copy/paste all the time from/to different
documents using Word as I do, such features would be really handy as
both menu options and keyboard shortcut commands.

Just a suggestion...

Regards,

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[Tony]

Matt,

Thanks for the hint.

The Macro does it, but it is a macro, so it is not out of the box for
everyone...

Concerning the copy/paste format, I remember MacWrite Pro (Mac OS 9 or
Classic): you had menu options in Edit just saying that, which is the
easiest possible way that everybody understands.

The same as for Find/Replace with style. If you look at the MacWrite
Pro you will see what I mean: easy yet powerful.

Do not take me wrong, but if I am using a Mac is because I love the Mac
way. And it means making things as easy as possible. No need to look
for help, or manuals or discussion forums whenever possible...

At least on all possible things that could be done easier and some
things in Word could certainly be made easier, yet for some strange
reason they keep on being cryptic, complicated or cumbersome version
after version.

Thank you all for your kind support.

---

 

[John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]]

Hi Tony:

Well, sure, but you have to realise that Microsoft Word is a very much
larger product than any of those.

Word has all of those commands, and you can assign any keystrokes or menu
items you want to them. However, you need to realise that the "toolkit" of
features in Word is huge. Only the most commonly-used functions are on the
standard user interface.

We have been pushing for some time to get three levels of user interface
available to Microsoft Word, one for home users, one for office workers, and
one for documentation professionals. Each of those markets does completely
different ranges of work, and uses an entirely different toolset to do it.

In the meantime, all of the stuff you are asking for is already in the
product (there's one you haven't asked for which is a bit more difficult:
"Copy Style", but it can be done).

If you want to do all of these things, just ask, and we'll tell you how.

And please don't be scared off by my use of the term "macro" -- all Word
commands are "macros". Power users are "expected" to change things around
so it exactly suits their personal working style. Like a Harley Davidson,
it was designed to be customised

Some things are intentionally "buried" to discourage corporate users from
fiddling then driving the Help Desk crazy when they get it wrong and things
disappear.

But the bottom line is that you can make work look, feel, and act any way
you like. Sure, you will have to spend some time in the help (and maybe, in
here) to find out how.

Cheers

Matt,

Here are other word processor appliacation examples:

€ Mariner Write allows three useful actions: "Copy Unformatted›, "Paste
Unformatted› and "Copy Style›.

€ Mellel has "Copy Plain Text", "Copy Character Attributes" and "Copy
Paragraph Attributes".

€ Nisus Writer Express has "Copy Text Only", "Copy Font" and "Copy
Ruler". As well as "Paste Text Only", "Paste Font" and "Paste Ruler".

€ TextEdit has "Paste with Current Style".

€ MacWrite Pro (Mac OS 9) has "Copy and Paste Style" features.

As previously said, if you copy/paste all the time from/to different
documents using Word as I do, such features would be really handy as
both menu options and keyboard shortcut commands.

Just a suggestion...

Regards,

---

We'd need to see more consistent use of those shortcuts across the industry
in order to consider this. Eudora as the only example is not good enough.
And Eudora is also not a good application to take UI cues from (this comes
from the author of the app itself).

Matt
MacWord Testing
MacBU - Microsoft

Clive,

I basically agree with you.

But I just wonder how many people really need the menu options and
keyboard shortcuts to copy and paste unformatted test... because for me
that is absolutely essential.

Why?

Because I use it hundreds of times every day. Because I work with
documents in which I am constantly copying and pasting text from/to
many different sources, including web pages, PDF files, emails, etc.

On the other hand the proposed keyboard shortcuts are not because they
are easy or difficult; it is just because they are standard in other
applications (as an example, you can check out Eudora mail):

Shift Command C to copy unformatted text.
Shift Command V to paste unformatted text.

Regards,

---
On 2005-03-21 23:34:08 +0100, Clive Huggan
<[email protected]> said:

Hello Tony,

I've been following your post with some interest.

I don't hold a torch for Microsoft, but from the things I observe here and
elsewhere, there are features that squillions of people hold dear and want
to see in Word "out of the box". Some of these people are even as
passionate as you about their wishes! (Don't take that at all negatively
--
there isn't enough passion around!)

I get the impression that Microsoft carefully analyses the needs of the
majority of users (who use Word as a typewriter; Word comes with their job;
and they want to know the minimum to produce work required by their boss
without having to delve into this and that). Then, for reasons I can only
guess at, including historic motivations to throttle every competing
product
on the market (a motivation of the free enterprise system that has given us
unprecedented prosperity, despite its well-known downsides), they have
added
additional functionality.

The key to some of this extra functionality is that if a user is prepared
to
take time to learn to apply configurations he/she prefers, some wonderful
results can ensue. I find that in some of my work the improvement in
efficiency, hence income, is 20%. That's why I appreciate that Word can be
configured so extensively.

However, if Microsoft responded to everybody's requests for "extras" in the
out-of-the-box configuration, the product would be more daunting than at
present. And I think that would be a major problem.

In my experience of "ordinary" (but intelligent) users in my [non-IT]
consulting work, they never have a need to paste unformatted text. Even if
they did, most would not want default keyboard shortcuts (PC users of Word,
for example, don't use keyboard shortcuts nearly as much as Mac users do).

I use this facility frequently in my work, but I would not want the
keyboard
shortcuts you propose -- they aren't as easy on the fingers as others, and
I
can't see the point of having a "copy unformatted text", since Command-c is
all that's required.

So the moral is (only IMHO) that once you learn how to configure Word, you
can apply what you want, not what an analysis of innumerable out-of-the-box
users has produced. It's empowerment, in its own small way.

BTW, you don't have to re-do your configurations when you upgrade or
re-install Word (with a couple of very minor exceptions).

<end rant>

<Anyone still there? No? Well, it felt good while I was doing it. Now I
must go back to earning a living.>

As to John's "power" that you attribute, I'll leave that to him... ;-)


Cheers,

Clive Huggan Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is at least 5 hours different from the US and Europe, so my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
============================================================



On 22/3/05 12:34 AM, in article 2005032114340850073%nospam@nospamcom,
"Tony"

John,

Thanks. I did indeed...

But I just wanted to suggest a way to have it standard from the
manufacturer now and always. If you do it yourself customizing Word,
that is OK for the moment, but when you re-install on the same or other
Mac, or when new versions come out, you must re-do things. That is the
way I see things.

I do not know about other people, but I use the special paste as simple
text hundreds of times every day! So a standard menu and command for it
would be nice:

Shift Comman C to copy unformatted text.
Shift Comman V to paste unformatted text.

And I tell you that because I know you have "power" on Microsoft
development policies, so if I could "convince" you I am quite sure that
it would be implemented...



Regards,

---
On 2005-03-21 10:43:49 +0100, "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word
Macintosh]" <[email protected]> said:

They have -- it's up to you to read the Help

You can put anything you like on the menus, or keyboard commands.

However, if you had thought a minute about what I wrote in my response,
you
may have understood that it does both.

That is the Users helping other Users way.

On 20/3/05 04:00, in article 2005031918001243658%nospam@nospamcom, "Tony"

John,

Thanks.

It would be good if Microsoft could implement it also as keyboard
commands and as menu options.

That is the Mac way.

---
On 2005-03-19 12:56:23 +0100, "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word
Macintosh]" <[email protected]> said:

Hi Tony:

That's exactly what I use (I normally use the INSERT key to paste as
Formatted, and Command + V to paste as unformatted).

Copy Robert's macro, put it in your Normal template, and name it
EditPaste.
Most Word "commands" are actually macros. If you have a macro of the
same
name, its functionality replaces the command.

I actually use two macros:

Sub EditPaste()
On Error GoTo notAvailable

Selection.PasteSpecial Link:=False, DataType:=20
End

notAvailable:
Selection.Paste
End Sub

Sub EditPasteFormatted()

Selection.Paste
End Sub


The first macro uses a very crude "On Error" method of trapping the
condition where "plain text" is not one of the formats available on the
clipboard. It's crude, but it works: and saves you having to
successively
try each option to find out what the hell *is* on the clipboard.

VBA does not have a way to examine the clipboard to see what actually
is
there. There is usually a selection of formats (can be five or six,
depending on the application you copied from). This can be a little
character building, because the "data" is not actually ON the clipboard
of
the source application is still open. There's just a pointer to it,
and
the
source application then produces the data to the clipboard in the
format
you
request when you ask for it.

Cheers


On 15/3/05 05:16, in article 2005031419163416807%nospam@nospamcom,
"Tony"

Hi,

The best would be a keyboard shortcut:

Shift Comman C to copy unformatted text.
Shift Comman V to paste unformatted text.

As appliations like Eudora 6 do.

---

On 2005-03-14 16:15:24 +0100, (e-mail address removed) (matt neuburg) said:


On 11/3/05 2:02 PM, in article
1gt9697.p4tjra17sxa5kN%[email protected],

When I paste special it is virtually always unformatted text. I
have
tried through customization (but it is not an option there) and
macros
(they don't work, they just paste with all the formatting as well)
to
make a single key stroke, e.g., shift-command v, to paste text
only?
Entourage actually allows you to, so it is odd that Word doesn't.

BTW, the macro as I recorded it is:

Sub Pastetext()
'
' Pastetext Macro
' Macro recorded 10/3/05 by Robert M. Lewis
'
Selection.PasteSpecial Link:=False, DataType:=wdPasteText,
Placement:= _ wdInLine, DisplayAsIcon:=False
End Sub

That can be shortened, but yes, that's exactly how I do it. Works
fine.
What's the problem you're having? m.

It doesn't paste unformatted text, the text is formatted.

What if you choose Paste Special > Unformatted? Does that give a
different result from what this macro gives, when copying the same
material from the same source? m.

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Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

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Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer
Sydney, Australia +61 4 1209 1410

 

[John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]]

Hi Tony:

Yes, you do need to transfer your customisations: I know this because I am a
documentation contractor -- I move from company to company, machine to
machine, frequently. So I have to do this.

I carry my Normal template, a library of macros, and my custom dictionary
around with me on a USB data key. It's the work of moments to drop those
files into place on whatever machine I am working on that day.

In my case, since I am working between versions and platforms, some of my
macros are full of #defines and #IfDefs to cope with the fact that they have
to run on six versions of Word and two platforms, but really it's not that
hard

I am not, by the way, insensitive to your request to have things available
"out of the box" or "standard from the manufacturer". The problem is that
no two of us could agree on exactly WHAT we would like to be "Standard", and
in order to fit more junk on the toolbars/menus we have to throw some stuff
out. What could "You" do with out? I Wrote an article once where I think I
said I delete 18 of the 24 buttons on one of Word's standard toolbars. I
suspect you would too: but not the "same" 18

Right at the moment, in the user interface, what we are really pushing for
is a way to be able to properly customise the Task Pane (Formatting Palette
to us on the Mac). The Task Pane is actually a very powerful idea, but the
current implementation sux, and we can't get at it to fix it the way we can
fix the menus, toolbars and keystrokes.

BTW: There's no point in asking for extra "keystrokes" in Word -- all the
available combinations are already taken Mac OS reserves a wider range
of keystrokes for the system than Windows does, which stuffs us up a bit on
the Mac.

Cheers

John,

Thanks. I did indeed...

But I just wanted to suggest a way to have it standard from the
manufacturer now and always. If you do it yourself customizing Word,
that is OK for the moment, but when you re-install on the same or other
Mac, or when new versions come out, you must re-do things. That is the
way I see things.

I do not know about other people, but I use the special paste as simple
text hundreds of times every day! So a standard menu and command for it
would be nice:

And I tell you that because I know you have "power" on Microsoft
development policies, so if I could "convince" you I am quite sure that
it would be implemented...



Regards,

---

They have -- it's up to you to read the Help

You can put anything you like on the menus, or keyboard commands.

However, if you had thought a minute about what I wrote in my response, you
may have understood that it does both.

That is the Users helping other Users way.

John,

Thanks.

It would be good if Microsoft could implement it also as keyboard
commands and as menu options.

That is the Mac way.

---
On 2005-03-19 12:56:23 +0100, "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word
Macintosh]" <[email protected]> said:

Hi Tony:

That's exactly what I use (I normally use the INSERT key to paste as
Formatted, and Command + V to paste as unformatted).

Copy Robert's macro, put it in your Normal template, and name it EditPaste.
Most Word "commands" are actually macros. If you have a macro of the same
name, its functionality replaces the command.

I actually use two macros:

Sub EditPaste()
On Error GoTo notAvailable

Selection.PasteSpecial Link:=False, DataType:=20
End

notAvailable:
Selection.Paste
End Sub

Sub EditPasteFormatted()

Selection.Paste
End Sub


The first macro uses a very crude "On Error" method of trapping the
condition where "plain text" is not one of the formats available on the
clipboard. It's crude, but it works: and saves you having to successively
try each option to find out what the hell *is* on the clipboard.

VBA does not have a way to examine the clipboard to see what actually is
there. There is usually a selection of formats (can be five or six,
depending on the application you copied from). This can be a little
character building, because the "data" is not actually ON the clipboard of
the source application is still open. There's just a pointer to it, and
the
source application then produces the data to the clipboard in the format
you
request when you ask for it.

Cheers


On 15/3/05 05:16, in article 2005031419163416807%nospam@nospamcom, "Tony"

Hi,

The best would be a keyboard shortcut:

Shift Comman C to copy unformatted text.
Shift Comman V to paste unformatted text.

As appliations like Eudora 6 do.

---

On 2005-03-14 16:15:24 +0100, (e-mail address removed) (matt neuburg) said:


On 11/3/05 2:02 PM, in article 1gt9697.p4tjra17sxa5kN%[email protected],

When I paste special it is virtually always unformatted text. I have
tried through customization (but it is not an option there) and macros
(they don't work, they just paste with all the formatting as well) to
make a single key stroke, e.g., shift-command v, to paste text only?
Entourage actually allows you to, so it is odd that Word doesn't.

BTW, the macro as I recorded it is:

Sub Pastetext()
'
' Pastetext Macro
' Macro recorded 10/3/05 by Robert M. Lewis
'
Selection.PasteSpecial Link:=False, DataType:=wdPasteText,
Placement:= _ wdInLine, DisplayAsIcon:=False
End Sub

That can be shortened, but yes, that's exactly how I do it. Works fine.
What's the problem you're having? m.

It doesn't paste unformatted text, the text is formatted.

What if you choose Paste Special > Unformatted? Does that give a
different result from what this macro gives, when copying the same
material from the same source? m.

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Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer
Sydney, Australia +61 4 1209 1410

 

[Tony]

John,

Absolutely right.

So that is why I asked for such features: I use (need) them a lot and
thought that everybody or most of the people would also love them...

Why does not Microsoft sets a web page poll to check out what customers
really want? Could be revealing.

Regards,

---

Hi Tony:

Yes, you do need to transfer your customisations: I know this because I am a
documentation contractor -- I move from company to company, machine to
machine, frequently. So I have to do this.

I carry my Normal template, a library of macros, and my custom dictionary
around with me on a USB data key. It's the work of moments to drop those
files into place on whatever machine I am working on that day.

In my case, since I am working between versions and platforms, some of my
macros are full of #defines and #IfDefs to cope with the fact that they have
to run on six versions of Word and two platforms, but really it's not that
hard

I am not, by the way, insensitive to your request to have things available
"out of the box" or "standard from the manufacturer". The problem is that
no two of us could agree on exactly WHAT we would like to be "Standard", and
in order to fit more junk on the toolbars/menus we have to throw some stuff
out. What could "You" do with out? I Wrote an article once where I think I
said I delete 18 of the 24 buttons on one of Word's standard toolbars. I
suspect you would too: but not the "same" 18

Right at the moment, in the user interface, what we are really pushing for
is a way to be able to properly customise the Task Pane (Formatting Palette
to us on the Mac). The Task Pane is actually a very powerful idea, but the
current implementation sux, and we can't get at it to fix it the way we can
fix the menus, toolbars and keystrokes.

BTW: There's no point in asking for extra "keystrokes" in Word -- all the
available combinations are already taken Mac OS reserves a wider range
of keystrokes for the system than Windows does, which stuffs us up a bit on
the Mac.

Cheers

John,

Thanks. I did indeed...

But I just wanted to suggest a way to have it standard from the
manufacturer now and always. If you do it yourself customizing Word,
that is OK for the moment, but when you re-install on the same or other
Mac, or when new versions come out, you must re-do things. That is the
way I see things.

I do not know about other people, but I use the special paste as simple
text hundreds of times every day! So a standard menu and command for it
would be nice:

Shift Comman C to copy unformatted text.
Shift Comman V to paste unformatted text.

And I tell you that because I know you have "power" on Microsoft
development policies, so if I could "convince" you I am quite sure that
it would be implemented...



Regards,

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They have -- it's up to you to read the Help

You can put anything you like on the menus, or keyboard commands.

However, if you had thought a minute about what I wrote in my response, you
may have understood that it does both.

That is the Users helping other Users way.

On 20/3/05 04:00, in article 2005031918001243658%nospam@nospamcom, "Tony"

John,

Thanks.

It would be good if Microsoft could implement it also as keyboard
commands and as menu options.

That is the Mac way.

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On 2005-03-19 12:56:23 +0100, "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word
Macintosh]" <[email protected]> said:

Hi Tony:

That's exactly what I use (I normally use the INSERT key to paste as
Formatted, and Command + V to paste as unformatted).

Copy Robert's macro, put it in your Normal template, and name it EditPaste.
Most Word "commands" are actually macros. If you have a macro of the same
name, its functionality replaces the command.

I actually use two macros:

Sub EditPaste()
On Error GoTo notAvailable

Selection.PasteSpecial Link:=False, DataType:=20
End

notAvailable:
Selection.Paste
End Sub

Sub EditPasteFormatted()

Selection.Paste
End Sub


The first macro uses a very crude "On Error" method of trapping the
condition where "plain text" is not one of the formats available on the
clipboard. It's crude, but it works: and saves you having to successively
try each option to find out what the hell *is* on the clipboard.

VBA does not have a way to examine the clipboard to see what actually is
there. There is usually a selection of formats (can be five or six,
depending on the application you copied from). This can be a little
character building, because the "data" is not actually ON the clipboard of
the source application is still open. There's just a pointer to it, and
the
source application then produces the data to the clipboard in the format
you
request when you ask for it.

Cheers


On 15/3/05 05:16, in article 2005031419163416807%nospam@nospamcom, "Tony"

Hi,

The best would be a keyboard shortcut:

Shift Comman C to copy unformatted text.
Shift Comman V to paste unformatted text.

As appliations like Eudora 6 do.

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On 2005-03-14 16:15:24 +0100, (e-mail address removed) (matt neuburg) said:


On 11/3/05 2:02 PM, in article 1gt9697.p4tjra17sxa5kN%[email protected],

When I paste special it is virtually always unformatted text. I have
tried through customization (but it is not an option there) and macros
(they don't work, they just paste with all the formatting as well) to
make a single key stroke, e.g., shift-command v, to paste text only?
Entourage actually allows you to, so it is odd that Word doesn't.

BTW, the macro as I recorded it is:

Sub Pastetext()
'
' Pastetext Macro
' Macro recorded 10/3/05 by Robert M. Lewis
'
Selection.PasteSpecial Link:=False, DataType:=wdPasteText,
Placement:= _ wdInLine, DisplayAsIcon:=False
End Sub

That can be shortened, but yes, that's exactly how I do it. Works fine.
What's the problem you're having? m.

It doesn't paste unformatted text, the text is formatted.

What if you choose Paste Special > Unformatted? Does that give a
different result from what this macro gives, when copying the same
material from the same source? m.