Attn: Charles Kenyon -- Fussy Legal Cite problem

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Guest

Hey Charles,
I posted this to formatting.longdocs, but haven't gotten a
satisfactory answer yet. Perhaps you do not frequent that NG -- do
you have any suggestions for me?

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Has anybody figured out how to do legal citation in an easier
way? I'm referring specifically to the comma following a case name --
it should not be underlined or italicized. Same goes for commas
following Id. and e.g.
If I get an already-typed manuscript, or a scanned manuscript,
how do I change all those commas to plain text? Is there a macro or
something?
Any macros or tips for formatting law review articles according
to the Harvard Bluebook, where authors and treatises are to be in
Small Caps?
Etc. Etc.

Any help appreciated.

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Daiya Mitchell

What was wrong with the answer of "use Find and Replace" that you got over
there one hour and 15 minutes after you posted the question?
 
G

Guest

I posted a follow-up saying what was wrong with it. About 10 minutes
after the suggestion arrived. No follow-ups to my follow-up yet,
though.

Where is Charles when you need him?

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In the last exciting episode on Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:23:09 -0800, Daiya

|What was wrong with the answer of "use Find and Replace" that you got over
|there one hour and 15 minutes after you posted the question?
|
|
|On 3/7/05 8:51 PM, "<*(((><{" wrote:
|
|> Hey Charles,
|> I posted this to formatting.longdocs, but haven't gotten a
|> satisfactory answer yet. Perhaps you do not frequent that NG -- do
|> you have any suggestions for me?
|>
|> --------------------------------------
|>
|> Has anybody figured out how to do legal citation in an easier
|> way? I'm referring specifically to the comma following a case name --
|> it should not be underlined or italicized. Same goes for commas
|> following Id. and e.g.
|> If I get an already-typed manuscript, or a scanned manuscript,
|> how do I change all those commas to plain text? Is there a macro or
|> something?
|> Any macros or tips for formatting law review articles according
|> to the Harvard Bluebook, where authors and treatises are to be in
|> Small Caps?
|> Etc. Etc.
|>
|> Any help appreciated.
|>
|> <*((((><{
|> (e-mail address removed)
|> <*((((><{
|> (e-mail address removed)
 
D

Daiya Mitchell

I am not seeing that post in my newsreader or in Google Groups. I only see
you replying to Suzanne on questions of format.

It seems your comma question was settled, by Graham Mayor. You will have to
restate what was wrong with it, if something was.
Quoting Graham Mayor:
If all you are trying to do is convert underlined commas to non-underlined
commas, the simplest plan is to use the replace function

In the find box, enter a comma
In the replace box enter a comma and press CTRL+U twice (no underline)
Click to expand...

The SmallCaps issue is half settled--you could probably set up a Find &
Replace using Wildcards to help you select the author/treatises but I
already suggested that and you did not appear interested in investigating
that possibility?

I personally think you ought to dictate some formatting requirements to
those who wish to submit an article, most journal editors do not seem to be
so kind as to take it all upon themselves.

DM
 
S

Suzanne S. Barnhill

I personally think you ought to dictate some formatting requirements to
those who wish to submit an article.
Click to expand...

And you think authors would actually follow them? It depends on the journal,
but if you're one of those that has to beg people to submit copy in the
first place, you can't be too picky. If you have authors beating down the
doors to get in, then, yes, you can be more selective.
 
D

Daiya Mitchell

And you think authors would actually follow them? It depends on the journal,
but if you're one of those that has to beg people to submit copy in the
first place, you can't be too picky. If you have authors beating down the
doors to get in, then, yes, you can be more selective.
Click to expand...

True...I live in a world where we are all desperate to get published. :) I
guess publishing legal articles is prestigious, but presumably not everyone
tries to do it.

DM
 
G

Guest

Arrrgh --
Doing a find-replace to change italicized or underlined commas
to plain commas within legal cites will not work because legal cites
contain internal commas, which should remain italicized or underlined;
only the comma at the end of the legal cite must be in plain text.

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In the last exciting episode on Tue, 08 Mar 2005 22:55:13 -0800, Daiya

|I am not seeing that post in my newsreader or in Google Groups. I only see
|you replying to Suzanne on questions of format.
|
|It seems your comma question was settled, by Graham Mayor. You will have to
|restate what was wrong with it, if something was.
|Quoting Graham Mayor:
|
|> If all you are trying to do is convert underlined commas to non-underlined
|> commas, the simplest plan is to use the replace function
|>
|> In the find box, enter a comma
|> In the replace box enter a comma and press CTRL+U twice (no underline)
|
|The SmallCaps issue is half settled--you could probably set up a Find &
|Replace using Wildcards to help you select the author/treatises but I
|already suggested that and you did not appear interested in investigating
|that possibility?
|
|I personally think you ought to dictate some formatting requirements to
|those who wish to submit an article, most journal editors do not seem to be
|so kind as to take it all upon themselves.
|
|DM
|
|
|On 3/8/05 10:29 PM, "<*(((><{" wrote:
|
|> I posted a follow-up saying what was wrong with it. About 10 minutes
|> after the suggestion arrived. No follow-ups to my follow-up yet,
|> though.
|>
|> Where is Charles when you need him?
|>
|> <*((((><{
|> (e-mail address removed)
|>
|> In the last exciting episode on Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:23:09 -0800, Daiya
|>
|> |What was wrong with the answer of "use Find and Replace" that you got over
|> |there one hour and 15 minutes after you posted the question?
|> |
|> |
|> |On 3/7/05 8:51 PM, "<*(((><{" wrote:
|> |
|> |> Hey Charles,
|> |> I posted this to formatting.longdocs, but haven't gotten a
|> |> satisfactory answer yet. Perhaps you do not frequent that NG -- do
|> |> you have any suggestions for me?
|> |>
|> |> --------------------------------------
|> |>
|> |> Has anybody figured out how to do legal citation in an easier
|> |> way? I'm referring specifically to the comma following a case name --
|> |> it should not be underlined or italicized. Same goes for commas
|> |> following Id. and e.g.
|> |> If I get an already-typed manuscript, or a scanned manuscript,
|> |> how do I change all those commas to plain text? Is there a macro or
|> |> something?
|> |> Any macros or tips for formatting law review articles according
|> |> to the Harvard Bluebook, where authors and treatises are to be in
|> |> Small Caps?
|> |> Etc. Etc.
|> |>
 
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Daiya Mitchell

Well, Replace and Find Next is still easier than doing it completely
manually. :)

But would it work to search for underlined commas followed by a
non-underlined space? Hmm, that's technically not allowed. Replace all
underlined spaces with XXX, then de-underline all commas followed by a
space, then undo the XXX?

Obviously, once you work out the right combos you can record it as a macro.

Might also want to check out editorium.com, which has some tools for editors
cleaning up submissions, though not specifically legal. Might be worth
trying google, though.

Might want to study up on Wildcards and see if there is any way to use
them--perhaps Graham will be able to help out, if he sees your most recent
post. Lots of traffic over here...
http://www.gmayor.com/replace_using_wildcards.htm
If the legal case names are fairly regular that might help both the comma
and small caps issue.

DM
 
S

Suzanne S. Barnhill

My husband is a contributing editor of a newsletter in his field (forensic
toxicology), and apparently he is the only one who ever gets anything in on
time (although he has to beg people to submit case notes). The overall
editor has to hector all the other contributors about submitting their
material. I suspect a lot of editors are in this position (but probably not,
as you say, those of legal journals).
 
G

Guest

Yep, it's troublesome. I really have to find an underlined comma
followed by a non-underlined space, and then replace all. It's tough
when there's hundreds of cites.
I'll look into Graham's site and editorium.com. Thanks for the
hints.

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In the last exciting episode on Wed, 09 Mar 2005 15:15:44 -0800, Daiya

|Well, Replace and Find Next is still easier than doing it completely
|manually. :)
|
|But would it work to search for underlined commas followed by a
|non-underlined space? Hmm, that's technically not allowed. Replace all
|underlined spaces with XXX, then de-underline all commas followed by a
|space, then undo the XXX?
|
|Obviously, once you work out the right combos you can record it as a macro.
|
|Might also want to check out editorium.com, which has some tools for editors
|cleaning up submissions, though not specifically legal. Might be worth
|trying google, though.
|
|Might want to study up on Wildcards and see if there is any way to use
|them--perhaps Graham will be able to help out, if he sees your most recent
|post. Lots of traffic over here...
|http://www.gmayor.com/replace_using_wildcards.htm
|If the legal case names are fairly regular that might help both the comma
|and small caps issue.
|
|DM
|
|
|On 3/9/05 1:04 PM, "<*(((><{" wrote:
|
|> Arrrgh --
|> Doing a find-replace to change italicized or underlined commas
|> to plain commas within legal cites will not work because legal cites
|> contain internal commas, which should remain italicized or underlined;
|> only the comma at the end of the legal cite must be in plain text.
|>
 
G

Guest

I like your XXX idea. It should avoid me having to go through each
cite to check for middle-of-the-cite commas which have been wrongly
de-underlined. Thanks.

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In the last exciting episode on Wed, 09 Mar 2005 15:15:44 -0800, Daiya

|Well, Replace and Find Next is still easier than doing it completely
|manually. :)
|
|But would it work to search for underlined commas followed by a
|non-underlined space? Hmm, that's technically not allowed. Replace all
|underlined spaces with XXX, then de-underline all commas followed by a
|space, then undo the XXX?
|
|Obviously, once you work out the right combos you can record it as a macro.
|
|Might also want to check out editorium.com, which has some tools for editors
|cleaning up submissions, though not specifically legal. Might be worth
|trying google, though.
|
|Might want to study up on Wildcards and see if there is any way to use
|them--perhaps Graham will be able to help out, if he sees your most recent
|post. Lots of traffic over here...
|http://www.gmayor.com/replace_using_wildcards.htm
|If the legal case names are fairly regular that might help both the comma
|and small caps issue.
|
|DM
|
|
|On 3/9/05 1:04 PM, "<*(((><{" wrote:
|
|> Arrrgh --
|> Doing a find-replace to change italicized or underlined commas
|> to plain commas within legal cites will not work because legal cites
|> contain internal commas, which should remain italicized or underlined;
|> only the comma at the end of the legal cite must be in plain text.
|>
 

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