Book Fold in page layoout?

[chinchar]

FIRST:
I am considering Moving to the MAC environment.
I have many hundreds of documents in WORD format going back before
1990.
I regularly go back to older documents for reference.

SECOND:
I could find no equivalent in Word for Mac for
a feature that I use at least very very often for doing church
participation and other folded/stapled booklets.

In Word for Windows the setup command is found under
FILE | PAGE SETUP | Multiple Pages | Bookfold | OK

I went to the APPLE store and opened Word for Mac and could find no
equivalent.
I also asked two different store employees, no one could find it
either.
This is among the most important features for me.
Thanks for any advice.

 

[Michel Bintener]

Hey there,

FIRST:
I am considering Moving to the MAC environment.
I have many hundreds of documents in WORD format going back before
1990.
I regularly go back to older documents for reference.

will all of these convert well to Word for Mac?

There should be no problem with these documents. However, if there are
graphics in there, you might experience some cross-platform issues (WMF to
PICT conversion and so on). Tell us what the majority of these files look
like (text only, or text with pictures, and if so, what kind of pictures,
etc.), and we might be able to give you a more detailed answer. You might
also want to try putting some of these old documents on a flash drive and
then opening them on a Mac in a local Apple Store to see how well Word for
Mac is handling them.

SECOND:
I could find no equivalent in Word for Mac for
a feature that I use at least very very often for doing church
participation and other folded/stapled booklets.

In Word for Windows the setup command is found under
FILE | PAGE SETUP | Multiple Pages | Bookfold | OK

I went to the APPLE store and opened Word for Mac and could find no
equivalent.
I also asked two different store employees, no one could find it
either.
This is among the most important features for me.

Sorry, but this feature is not available in Word for Mac. However, don't let
that put you off: Mac Word can save documents as PDF files (File>Print, Save
as PDF), and there are a number of free applications out there that allow
you to create booklets from PDF files, such as CocoaBooklet:

<http://www.iconus.ch/fabien/cocoabooklet/>

--
Michel Bintener
Microsoft MVP
Office:Mac (Entourage & Word)

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[little_creature]

Hey there,



There should be no problem with these documents. However, if there are
graphics in there, you might experience some cross-platform issues (WMF to
PICT conversion and so on). Tell us what the majority of these files look
like (text only, or text with pictures, and if so, what kind of pictures,
etc.), and we might be able to give you a more detailed answer. You might
also want to try putting some of these old documents on a flash drive and
then opening them on a Mac in a local Apple Store to see how well Word for
Mac is handling them.




Sorry, but this feature is not available in Word for Mac. However, don't let
that put you off: Mac Word can save documents as PDF files (File>Print, Save
as PDF), and there are a number of free applications out there that allow
you to create booklets from PDF files, such as CocoaBooklet:

<http://www.iconus.ch/fabien/cocoabooklet/>

Cooca Booklet is quite good. Just to add, if you make a PDF on PC or
MAC, you can impose it here for free as well: www.pdfcity.com
Just simply create the text in word and do not care about the
imposition, then print it into PDF and let the software do the job for
you.

to your first inquiry, I work cross platform and I do not have
significant problems, the most problems arise when I'm tooooo lazy to
do things in the proper way - you just need to adopt slightly
different workflow. (such as to do Inset>picture>from image rather
than drag and drop) and that's it. Painless. Actually I enjoy Mac
office far more than that PC one.
Just ask what you need to know

 

[chinchar]

PICT conversion and so on). Tell us what the majority of these files look
like (text only, or text with pictures, and if so, what kind of pictures,
etc.), and we might be able to give you a more detailed answer.

I use legal paper which is then folded.
Mostly it is text with occasional clipart, usually in tif.

I also score out music in Finale and then saved the congregation part
as a TIF graphic.
I always use Insert Picture


I am not sure that I understood how it works to do the document in
Word before saving in PDF.
Do I set the sheet size to be 8.5"x 7" instead of legal (8.5x14)??

Any possibility that the forthcoming Word for Mac will have bookfold
feature?

Thanks
Jerry

 

[Michel Bintener]

Mostly it is text with occasional clipart, usually in tif.

Good. These documents should open just fine in both PC and Mac Word.

I am not sure that I understood how it works to do the document in
Word before saving in PDF.
Do I set the sheet size to be 8.5"x 7" instead of legal (8.5x14)??

No, there's no need for that. Keep the default paper size setting, print to
PDF (as described in my last post), then let CocoaBooklet do the rest.

Any possibility that the forthcoming Word for Mac will have bookfold
feature?

I have no idea.

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Microsoft MVP
Office:Mac (Entourage & Word)

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[Daiya Mitchell]

No, there's no need for that. Keep the default paper size setting, print to
PDF (as described in my last post), then let CocoaBooklet do the rest.

Ah, I think that printing a booklet onto legal paper might require some
finessing of the page sizes. I've not tested it, but with this method
you usually create a regular 8.5x11 page in Word, then CB shrinks it
down and basically prints 2 pages per sheet with the order rearranged. I
think with legal paper you *will* need to create 8.5x7 pages, print to
PDF, and tell CB that you want the PDF pages put onto 8.5x14 paper, and
it should be fine. I haven't experimented with CB since some updates, so
I'm not entirely sure.

Cocoa Booklet has fine instructions, and you can post back if you have
problems.

(I think only the US uses legal paper, so I'm guessing Michel didn't
quite picture the question? no adjustments are necessary for regular US
letter paper)

I have no idea.

Total speculation made in complete ignorance of any MS plans--Unlikely,
because it's pretty complicated and often messes up in WinWord (current
bug with Word 2007 and graphics, in fact), and Mac users already have a
very good solution in (free) CocoaBooklet and Cheap Impostor (free or
pay for advanced features). Once you have set up CocoaBooklet, you can
use it from *any* program on the Mac, not just Word, and it's not
printer dependent, so you can email a booklet to someone else to print
(duplex) without a problem, and it's really much better all around. No
need for MacWord to create their own solution that would have to account
for a million different printer drivers and have lots of opportunity for
mess-ups.

That is, it would be very low on my feature list, since there is an
easy, free workaround that offers more.

Daiya

 

[John McGhie]

All those documents will "convert". Whether they convert "well" depends on
how you built the documents. Properly-built documents using Word's native
pagination techniques and using styles for all formatting will convert so
well you will see no differences.

Documents using a mix of spaces, hard returns and manual page breaks with
direct formatting will look like a ransom demand

As for Booklet Printing: No, Mac Word has not automatic booklet printing.
However, the MANUAL method Suzanne explains here works just as well in Mac
Word as it does in WinWord...

http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/BookletPrinting.htm

Cheers



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FIRST:
I am considering Moving to the MAC environment.
I have many hundreds of documents in WORD format going back before
1990.
I regularly go back to older documents for reference.

SECOND:
I could find no equivalent in Word for Mac for
a feature that I use at least very very often for doing church
participation and other folded/stapled booklets.

In Word for Windows the setup command is found under
FILE | PAGE SETUP | Multiple Pages | Bookfold | OK

I went to the APPLE store and opened Word for Mac and could find no
equivalent.
I also asked two different store employees, no one could find it
either.
This is among the most important features for me.
Thanks for any advice.


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[Elizabeth]

I have a recently purchased MacBook, and have similar issues. I deeply regret that MS Publisher seems to have gone away, at least as far as Macs are concerned. I not only wish to be able to print folded booklets, I often do greeting cards or invitations that involve an 8-1/2x11 page folded in quarters, and Publisher did that beautifully.

The solution of making a PDF and processing it in another program is unbelievably klunky, particularly if you're fond of printing lots of drafts.

 

[John McGhie]

Hi Elizabeth:

No, it hasn't gone away ‹ it was never here, on the Mac.

However, on your new Mac I think you will find a trial version of the Apple
program "iWork Pages". If it's not there, you can download it here:
www.apple.com/iwork/trial/

Give that a try. I am sure you will find that it does the job better than
Word ever did

Alternatively, Word:Mac version 2008 has a Publishing Layout View, which is
very similar to the functions MS Publisher has.

Hope this helps

I have a recently purchased MacBook, and have similar issues. I deeply regret
that MS Publisher seems to have gone away, at least as far as Macs are
concerned. I not only wish to be able to print folded booklets, I often do
greeting cards or invitations that involve an 8-1/2x11 page folded in
quarters, and Publisher did that beautifully.

The solution of making a PDF and processing it in another program is
unbelievably klunky, particularly if you're fond of printing lots of drafts.

--
Don't wait for your answer, click here: http://www.word.mvps.org/

Please reply in the group. Please do NOT email me unless I ask you to.

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McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
http://jgmcghie.fastmail.com.au/
Nhulunbuy, Northern Territory, Australia
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]

 

[CyberTaz]

Hello Elizabeth -

Just along for the ride on John's coat tails

The Publishing Layout View in Word is rather nice & it facilitates a number
of layouts, but Word is still *not* a page layout program. It never has [and
most likely never will] be well-suited for the folded-up type of layout you
mentioned... You need a program designed for that purpose, especially if the
interior text needs to be inverted. To be brutally honest, however,
folding a large sheet into eighths after having printed on only 1/4 of it
isn't something that can't be much more efficiently & effectively
accomplished... Even Hallmark doesn't do it that way anymore;-) I'm not a
tree-hugger, but I do believe that printing two invitations [or whatever]
per sheet is not only more economical on several levels, but also makes for
a much more attractive & less bulky piece. And, since the layout is less
complex, Word & Pages can be used far more effectively. Take a look at the
layouts in the Project Gallery and the Publication Templates available while
in Pub Layout View.

There are, however, a number of desktop publishing/page layout programs
available for Mac - many of which are quite reasonably priced. You might do
some Googling or visit VersionTracker.com for "desktop publishing" or
"greeting card software".

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

 

[Phillip Jones]

Wonder where that will be?

Years ago I bought and used Aldus PageMaker. Aldus was swallowed by
Adobe. And PageMaker was stabbed in the heart.

The only other program I've only heard talk about but never could afford
was "FrameMaker" another Adobe product but at close to $1000.00 a Pop no
one except fortune 500 Companies can afford to do that.

InDesign I hear talk of that sort of sounds like PageMaker. But my
understanding of the product its strictly an alternative to DreamWeaver
a Web design program. And not a Publishing/layout Program.

I did a Google Search, and found only two.

Swift Publisher
and Ragtime Solo.

Hello Elizabeth -

Just along for the ride on John's coat tails

The Publishing Layout View in Word is rather nice & it facilitates a number
of layouts, but Word is still *not* a page layout program. It never has [and
most likely never will] be well-suited for the folded-up type of layout you
mentioned... You need a program designed for that purpose, especially if the
interior text needs to be inverted. To be brutally honest, however,
folding a large sheet into eighths after having printed on only 1/4 of it
isn't something that can't be much more efficiently & effectively
accomplished... Even Hallmark doesn't do it that way anymore;-) I'm not a
tree-hugger, but I do believe that printing two invitations [or whatever]
per sheet is not only more economical on several levels, but also makes for
a much more attractive & less bulky piece. And, since the layout is less
complex, Word & Pages can be used far more effectively. Take a look at the
layouts in the Project Gallery and the Publication Templates available while
in Pub Layout View.

There are, however, a number of desktop publishing/page layout programs
available for Mac - many of which are quite reasonably priced. You might do
some Googling or visit VersionTracker.com for "desktop publishing" or
"greeting card software".

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

I have a recently purchased MacBook, and have similar issues. I deeply regret
that MS Publisher seems to have gone away, at least as far as Macs are
concerned. I not only wish to be able to print folded booklets, I often do
greeting cards or invitations that involve an 8-1/2x11 page folded in
quarters, and Publisher did that beautifully.

The solution of making a PDF and processing it in another program is
unbelievably klunky, particularly if you're fond of printing lots of drafts.

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[Michel Bintener]

InDesign I hear talk of that sort of sounds like PageMaker. But my
understanding of the product its strictly an alternative to DreamWeaver
a Web design program. And not a Publishing/layout Program.

No, InDesign is definitely a publishing/page layout programme. Adobe used to
publish a program called GoLive prior to its fusion with Macromedia; that
one could be considered an alternative to DreamWeaver (even though it has
been in decline ever since and is in the process of being replaced by
DreamWeaver, which is now an Adobe product as well).

I did a Google Search, and found only two.

Swift Publisher
and Ragtime Solo.

Ragtime Solo is probably too complicated for the average home user, but your
first result, Swift Publisher, is definitely a good choice for the purpose
the OP mentioned. And let us not forget Apple's own Pages, which does a
great job, too.

--
Michel Bintener
Microsoft MVP
Office:mac (Entourage & Word)

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[CyberTaz]

Hi Phillip -

InDesign is Adobe's flagship DTP program - essentially the replacement of
the antiquated PageMaker program. It's a direct competitor to QuarkXPress at
the professional level. Both are obviously pricey, but primarily intended
for print output, not web design.

There are some you missed in your search - generally Google has become more
broad in its range of hits so you really have to dig deep

One I saw in development is iStudio Publisher from cfour.net - I've not used
the finished product but it looked very promising @ MacWorld 2007.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

Wonder where that will be?

Years ago I bought and used Aldus PageMaker. Aldus was swallowed by
Adobe. And PageMaker was stabbed in the heart.

The only other program I've only heard talk about but never could afford
was "FrameMaker" another Adobe product but at close to $1000.00 a Pop no
one except fortune 500 Companies can afford to do that.

InDesign I hear talk of that sort of sounds like PageMaker. But my
understanding of the product its strictly an alternative to DreamWeaver
a Web design program. And not a Publishing/layout Program.

I did a Google Search, and found only two.

Swift Publisher
and Ragtime Solo.

Hello Elizabeth -

Just along for the ride on John's coat tails

The Publishing Layout View in Word is rather nice & it facilitates a number
of layouts, but Word is still *not* a page layout program. It never has [and
most likely never will] be well-suited for the folded-up type of layout you
mentioned... You need a program designed for that purpose, especially if the
interior text needs to be inverted. To be brutally honest, however,
folding a large sheet into eighths after having printed on only 1/4 of it
isn't something that can't be much more efficiently & effectively
accomplished... Even Hallmark doesn't do it that way anymore;-) I'm not a
tree-hugger, but I do believe that printing two invitations [or whatever]
per sheet is not only more economical on several levels, but also makes for
a much more attractive & less bulky piece. And, since the layout is less
complex, Word & Pages can be used far more effectively. Take a look at the
layouts in the Project Gallery and the Publication Templates available while
in Pub Layout View.

There are, however, a number of desktop publishing/page layout programs
available for Mac - many of which are quite reasonably priced. You might do
some Googling or visit VersionTracker.com for "desktop publishing" or
"greeting card software".

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

I have a recently purchased MacBook, and have similar issues. I deeply
regret
that MS Publisher seems to have gone away, at least as far as Macs are
concerned. I not only wish to be able to print folded booklets, I often do
greeting cards or invitations that involve an 8-1/2x11 page folded in
quarters, and Publisher did that beautifully.

The solution of making a PDF and processing it in another program is
unbelievably klunky, particularly if you're fond of printing lots of drafts.

 

[Phillip Jones]

But I've hear That pages or the package of applications of what it is a
Part of stomps all over Office2008 and the two don't Gee/Haw together.

Ge/Haw is Blue Ridge Mountains inequivalent to Chinese Yin/Yang.

It actually refers to using a Mule drawn Plow. to make the mule go right
you said Gee. To make it go left you said Haw.

Used as I said it it means not work well together. or fight each other
or go different directions.

No, InDesign is definitely a publishing/page layout programme. Adobe used to
publish a program called GoLive prior to its fusion with Macromedia; that
one could be considered an alternative to DreamWeaver (even though it has
been in decline ever since and is in the process of being replaced by
DreamWeaver, which is now an Adobe product as well).


Ragtime Solo is probably too complicated for the average home user, but your
first result, Swift Publisher, is definitely a good choice for the purpose
the OP mentioned. And let us not forget Apple's own Pages, which does a
great job, too.

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[John McGhie]

Hi Phillip:

I think "stomps all over" is one of those things you "hear" from people who
have no experience of wither software suite.

A very great deal depends on how sophisticated your documentation
requirements are. I think iWork has Office beaten for Church Newsletters
and School Homework.

As the user's requirement becomes more complex, the balance starts to tip.

And if the requirement gets up to complex documents such as "managers" would
handle at "work" in corporate life, neither product will do the job

Hope this helps

But I've hear That pages or the package of applications of what it is a
Part of stomps all over Office2008 and the two don't Gee/Haw together.

Ge/Haw is Blue Ridge Mountains inequivalent to Chinese Yin/Yang.

It actually refers to using a Mule drawn Plow. to make the mule go right
you said Gee. To make it go left you said Haw.

Used as I said it it means not work well together. or fight each other
or go different directions.

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Please reply in the group. Please do NOT email me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
http://jgmcghie.fastmail.com.au/
Nhulunbuy, Northern Territory, Australia
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]