BUG - every form of Publish is bugged!

[Peter Anthony]

Just look at this forum! Exporting/publishing just doesn't work with
OneNote... it either crashes, or organizes the info wrong, or doesn't link
correctly...

WHY is this so? Publishing/Exporting is the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT thing
OneNote can do! Sure, it's great at organizing thoughts, but if you can't
SHARE them...?

I think MS needs to fix this or drop the product entirely...

[==P==]

 

[Ben M. Schorr - MVP]

Well, I'm afraid I have to disagree with you on a few points.

1. Exporting/Publishing often works. In fact, I've had few problems with
it personally and I know many users who are also able to use it
successfully. What problems there may be with it are important to address,
yes, but let's keep the problem(s) in perspective.

2. I disagree with your assessment that publishing/exporting is the single
most important thing OneNote can do. I don't have the SQM data in front of
me but I'd be willing to bet that the large majority of notes in OneNote
don't get exported or published.

Speaking personally - our organization makes HEAVY, daily, use of OneNote,
we have very large shared notebooks and we rarely, if ever, export or
publish. We use OneNote to take notes, do research, share information
between our team. We occasionally e-mail pages from OneNote to clients. We
frequently link OneNote and Outlook by creating tasks or sending Outlook
content to OneNote.

That doesn't mean publishing or exporting notes isn't important - simply
that I disagree with the assessment that OneNote exists primarily for
creating content that will be published or exported. And it probably goes
without saying that I disagree with the opinion that Microsoft needs to just
drop OneNote if it can't elevate publishing/exporting to your standard.

The best course of action, in my opinion, would be to have a rational and
detailed discussion of specifically where it is failing for you so that the
product and test teams can evaluate those scenarios and see what can be done
to address the issues you say you're having.


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[ekseks]

I disagree with you too. I had some problems now and then but ever since I
installed SP1 I have not had a single problem.

I hope they NEVER drop this product. It may not be perfect but it sure has
filled a huge gap in my work.

 

[Peter Anthony]

OK, I may have mis-spoke. I should have said exporting is the single most
important feature that **I*** need to use it for. But I'm sure I'm not
alone...

Might I observe that since your entire company uses OneNote there is no need
for yuo to convert to a file format that can be viewed by CLIENTS. In my
case, I can't assume my clients have OneNote. At your company I'm guessing
EVERYBODY has OneNote, so the 'sharing format' isn't an issue for yuor
company (you just use the original document on your internal intranet).

Also, this has to due with usage. If one just uses it for oneself, or
internally at a company, no problem. But if one is creating a document for
EXTERNAL use as well, that's when the problems I'm talking about arise...

I think it is very important for many users of OneNote to eventually want
to share the results with people who DON'T have or that one can't ASSUME has
OneNote. And I see no reason it shouldn't EASILY be able to create a Word
doc, or a linked webpages, or a PDF that PERFECTLY mimic the original
OneNote document, and in such a way this can be shared (i.e., the results
are independent of the original OneNote document and where it was created).

But in all those cases I've run into the case where it links to my ORIGINAL
document at the specific location on MY computer! That won't work when
trying to share! And worse, it LOOKS on one's own machine like its fine,
since those links work THERE...

[==P==]

Well, I'm afraid I have to disagree with you on a few points.

1. Exporting/Publishing often works. In fact, I've had few problems with
it personally and I know many users who are also able to use it
successfully. What problems there may be with it are important to
address, yes, but let's keep the problem(s) in perspective.

2. I disagree with your assessment that publishing/exporting is the single
most important thing OneNote can do. I don't have the SQM data in front
of me but I'd be willing to bet that the large majority of notes in
OneNote don't get exported or published.

Speaking personally - our organization makes HEAVY, daily, use of OneNote,
we have very large shared notebooks and we rarely, if ever, export or
publish. We use OneNote to take notes, do research, share information
between our team. We occasionally e-mail pages from OneNote to clients.
We frequently link OneNote and Outlook by creating tasks or sending
Outlook content to OneNote.

That doesn't mean publishing or exporting notes isn't important - simply
that I disagree with the assessment that OneNote exists primarily for
creating content that will be published or exported. And it probably goes
without saying that I disagree with the opinion that Microsoft needs to
just drop OneNote if it can't elevate publishing/exporting to your
standard.

The best course of action, in my opinion, would be to have a rational and
detailed discussion of specifically where it is failing for you so that
the product and test teams can evaluate those scenarios and see what can
be done to address the issues you say you're having.


--
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-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP
Roland Schorr & Tower
http://www.rolandschorr.com

Just look at this forum! Exporting/publishing just doesn't work with
OneNote... it either crashes, or organizes the info wrong, or doesn't
link correctly...

WHY is this so? Publishing/Exporting is the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT thing
OneNote can do! Sure, it's great at organizing thoughts, but if you can't
SHARE them...?

I think MS needs to fix this or drop the product entirely...

[==P==]

 

[Peter Anthony]

I disagree with you too. I had some problems now and then but ever since I

installed SP1 I have not had a single problem.

I have no problems with OneNote either, UNTIL I try to publish to a
DIFFERENT format (e.g., PDF, webpages). Have you tried this?

I'll point out I had problems before the SP1 patch too. What I'm talking
about occured AFTER I installed that patch (and before, the patch had no
affect on this issue)...

[==P==]

I disagree with you too. I had some problems now and then but ever since I
installed SP1 I have not had a single problem.

I hope they NEVER drop this product. It may not be perfect but it sure has
filled a huge gap in my work.

Just look at this forum! Exporting/publishing just doesn't work with
OneNote... it either crashes, or organizes the info wrong, or doesn't
link
correctly...

WHY is this so? Publishing/Exporting is the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT thing
OneNote can do! Sure, it's great at organizing thoughts, but if you can't
SHARE them...?

I think MS needs to fix this or drop the product entirely...

[==P==]

 

[Ben M. Schorr, MVP]

Actually, we frequently need to send content from OneNote to our clients -
many of whom do not run OneNote. Typically we do that by simply e-mailing
them the page in question - which works like a champ for us.

As for creating Word or PDF files that perfectly mimic the original document
I think that is something we strive for - though I think there are some
obvious technical hurdles to successfully replicating internal hyperlinks --
and I'm sure the product team is very interested in hearing specifically
what problems you're having so that they can be reviewed and addressed.

I have created Word documents (and PDFs) from OneNote 2007 and I've had no
significant issues with it myself. I'm curious to know what you're doing
differently.

Thanks!


--
-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP
Roland Schorr & Tower
http://www.rolandschorr.com
http://www.officeforlawyers.com/onenote.htm

OK, I may have mis-spoke. I should have said exporting is the single most
important feature that **I*** need to use it for. But I'm sure I'm not
alone...

Might I observe that since your entire company uses OneNote there is no
need for yuo to convert to a file format that can be viewed by CLIENTS. In
my case, I can't assume my clients have OneNote. At your company I'm
guessing EVERYBODY has OneNote, so the 'sharing format' isn't an issue for
yuor company (you just use the original document on your internal
intranet).

Also, this has to due with usage. If one just uses it for oneself, or
internally at a company, no problem. But if one is creating a document for
EXTERNAL use as well, that's when the problems I'm talking about arise...

I think it is very important for many users of OneNote to eventually want
to share the results with people who DON'T have or that one can't ASSUME
has OneNote. And I see no reason it shouldn't EASILY be able to create a
Word doc, or a linked webpages, or a PDF that PERFECTLY mimic the original
OneNote document, and in such a way this can be shared (i.e., the results
are independent of the original OneNote document and where it was
created).

But in all those cases I've run into the case where it links to my
ORIGINAL document at the specific location on MY computer! That won't work
when trying to share! And worse, it LOOKS on one's own machine like its
fine, since those links work THERE...

[==P==]

Well, I'm afraid I have to disagree with you on a few points.

1. Exporting/Publishing often works. In fact, I've had few problems
with it personally and I know many users who are also able to use it
successfully. What problems there may be with it are important to
address, yes, but let's keep the problem(s) in perspective.

2. I disagree with your assessment that publishing/exporting is the
single most important thing OneNote can do. I don't have the SQM data in
front of me but I'd be willing to bet that the large majority of notes in
OneNote don't get exported or published.

Speaking personally - our organization makes HEAVY, daily, use of
OneNote, we have very large shared notebooks and we rarely, if ever,
export or publish. We use OneNote to take notes, do research, share
information between our team. We occasionally e-mail pages from OneNote
to clients. We frequently link OneNote and Outlook by creating tasks or
sending Outlook content to OneNote.

That doesn't mean publishing or exporting notes isn't important - simply
that I disagree with the assessment that OneNote exists primarily for
creating content that will be published or exported. And it probably
goes without saying that I disagree with the opinion that Microsoft needs
to just drop OneNote if it can't elevate publishing/exporting to your
standard.

The best course of action, in my opinion, would be to have a rational and
detailed discussion of specifically where it is failing for you so that
the product and test teams can evaluate those scenarios and see what can
be done to address the issues you say you're having.


--
--
-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP
Roland Schorr & Tower
http://www.rolandschorr.com

Just look at this forum! Exporting/publishing just doesn't work with
OneNote... it either crashes, or organizes the info wrong, or doesn't
link correctly...

WHY is this so? Publishing/Exporting is the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT thing
OneNote can do! Sure, it's great at organizing thoughts, but if you
can't SHARE them...?

I think MS needs to fix this or drop the product entirely...

[==P==]

 

[Peter Anthony]

True, I am able to export any one page, or pages one at a time, with
OneNote. But these don't have links to other pages exported the same way.

My frustration is because I really think OneNote is absolutley GREAT when
composing! I've never worked with something so flexible and easy to
re-organize and add new thoughts too... for that it is PERFECT for me!

It's just this exporting I have problems with. Just wanted everyone to know
that despite my 'complaint's, I absolutley love the product!

Actually, we frequently need to send content from OneNote to our clients -
many of whom do not run OneNote. Typically we do that by simply e-mailing
them the page in question - which works like a champ for us.

As for creating Word or PDF files that perfectly mimic the original
document I think that is something we strive for - though I think there
are some obvious technical hurdles to successfully replicating internal
hyperlinks -- and I'm sure the product team is very interested in hearing
specifically what problems you're having so that they can be reviewed and
addressed.

I have created Word documents (and PDFs) from OneNote 2007 and I've had no
significant issues with it myself. I'm curious to know what you're doing
differently.

Thanks!


--
-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP
Roland Schorr & Tower
http://www.rolandschorr.com
http://www.officeforlawyers.com/onenote.htm

OK, I may have mis-spoke. I should have said exporting is the single most
important feature that **I*** need to use it for. But I'm sure I'm not
alone...

Might I observe that since your entire company uses OneNote there is no
need for yuo to convert to a file format that can be viewed by CLIENTS.
In my case, I can't assume my clients have OneNote. At your company I'm
guessing EVERYBODY has OneNote, so the 'sharing format' isn't an issue
for yuor company (you just use the original document on your internal
intranet).

Also, this has to due with usage. If one just uses it for oneself, or
internally at a company, no problem. But if one is creating a document
for EXTERNAL use as well, that's when the problems I'm talking about
arise...

I think it is very important for many users of OneNote to eventually want
to share the results with people who DON'T have or that one can't ASSUME
has OneNote. And I see no reason it shouldn't EASILY be able to create a
Word doc, or a linked webpages, or a PDF that PERFECTLY mimic the
original OneNote document, and in such a way this can be shared (i.e.,
the results are independent of the original OneNote document and where it
was created).

But in all those cases I've run into the case where it links to my
ORIGINAL document at the specific location on MY computer! That won't
work when trying to share! And worse, it LOOKS on one's own machine like
its fine, since those links work THERE...

[==P==]

Well, I'm afraid I have to disagree with you on a few points.

1. Exporting/Publishing often works. In fact, I've had few problems
with it personally and I know many users who are also able to use it
successfully. What problems there may be with it are important to
address, yes, but let's keep the problem(s) in perspective.

2. I disagree with your assessment that publishing/exporting is the
single most important thing OneNote can do. I don't have the SQM data
in front of me but I'd be willing to bet that the large majority of
notes in OneNote don't get exported or published.

Speaking personally - our organization makes HEAVY, daily, use of
OneNote, we have very large shared notebooks and we rarely, if ever,
export or publish. We use OneNote to take notes, do research, share
information between our team. We occasionally e-mail pages from OneNote
to clients. We frequently link OneNote and Outlook by creating tasks or
sending Outlook content to OneNote.

That doesn't mean publishing or exporting notes isn't important - simply
that I disagree with the assessment that OneNote exists primarily for
creating content that will be published or exported. And it probably
goes without saying that I disagree with the opinion that Microsoft
needs to just drop OneNote if it can't elevate publishing/exporting to
your standard.

The best course of action, in my opinion, would be to have a rational
and detailed discussion of specifically where it is failing for you so
that the product and test teams can evaluate those scenarios and see
what can be done to address the issues you say you're having.


--
--
-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP
Roland Schorr & Tower
http://www.rolandschorr.com

Just look at this forum! Exporting/publishing just doesn't work with
OneNote... it either crashes, or organizes the info wrong, or doesn't
link correctly...

WHY is this so? Publishing/Exporting is the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT thing
OneNote can do! Sure, it's great at organizing thoughts, but if you
can't SHARE them...?

I think MS needs to fix this or drop the product entirely...

[==P==]