bulleted list after text

[easiz]

Hi, I am creating a template that looks like a script for a play;
justified words on the left side, and then indented a few spaces in,
justified paragraphs that are associated with each word to its right.
The problem is that for one of the sections I want to have a
bulleted list to the right of text and when I hit the bullet button,
the bullet appears before the word on the left. To clarify: On a
single line of text I need to have one word, then some space, then a
bullet and text after the bullet, and a bulleted list continuing under
it. Every time I hit the bullet button it goes to the left of the
first word. I need something to look like this:

Text ·bulleted list
·bulleted list

And it ends up looking like this:

·text bulleted list

Does anyone know how to do this?
Thanks.

 

[easiz]

PS: If you *are* on a Mac, you may also wish (especially if the document
isn't all that long) to key the bullets. It's Option-8.  When following with
a tab, if you are in a table you need to key Option-Tab.

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
============

Dear [whoever],

Put the text in a 2-column table, with the borders invisible.  Desirably,
make each new "paragraph" a new row -- i.e., don't continue the row so that
it spans more than a page.

Only read on if the document is going to be fairly long.

If the document is fairly long, apply bulleting as part of a style for the
text in the right-hand column rather than manually applying bullets, and
don't use Normal style. When you've finished typing in one row and hit the
Tab key to start a new table row, the new row will have bullets in the
right-hand column already.

If styles are new to you, have a look at some notes on the way I use Word
for the Mac, titled "Bend Word to Your Will", which are available as a free
download from the Word MVPs' website
(http://word.mvps.org/Mac/Bend/BendWordToYourWill.html). [I'm assuming you
are using a Mac version of Word, but realize you may be on Windows as many
Windows users are landing here as a result of a hopeless design of the web
access via the Microsoft website. But if you are on Windows, the principles
are usually the same -- just look for 'PCs and Macs, main differences in
Word interfaces' on page 151 of "Bend Word to Your Will" and do "Find"
commands for "Windows" and "PC".]

Items you'll find relevant are 'Styles and templates ‹ the keysto
consistency and saving time' starting on page 88; 'When to use styles and
when to format directly', p. 94; 'Use a body text style, not Normal, inlong
documents' (p. 100); and 'Bullets' on p. 157.

[Note: "Bend Word to your will" is designed to be used electronically and
most subjects are self-contained dictionary-style entries.  If youdecide to
read more widely than the item I've referred to, it's important to readthe
front end of the document -- especially pages 3 and 5 -- so you can select
some Word settings that will allow you to use the document effectively.]

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is 5-11 hours different from North America and Europe, somy
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
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On 10/6/07 3:17 PM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "(e-mail address removed)"

Clive, thank you for your response!
Let me clarify. I am using Microsoft Word 2004 for Mac on a
Macbook. I am in law school and I'm trying to create a template for
case briefs so whenever I need to brief a case, I open the template
and I have the basic topic titles already there on the left side, with
form fields on the right side in the areas where I'll be typing. For
the 'facts' topic, I need a bulleted list.
I tried making a table with inviisble borders and at first it was
invisible, but then I opened the template for a new document and the
table had a light grey border around it. Now, even when I open it in
the template the light grey border is there. Since these briefs
aren't for printing, I need it to be invisible on the computer. I
tried the option-8 for the bullet symbol, but since this is a
template, when I create a document with it, then hit enter after the
first bullet, it won't create another line with a bullet, defeating
the purpose of the template. Do you have any ideas?
Thanks.

Ez Shaffren
Teaneck, NJ, USA

 

[CyberTaz]

PS: If you *are* on a Mac, you may also wish (especially if the document
isn't all that long) to key the bullets. It's Option-8.  When following with
a tab, if you are in a table you need to key Option-Tab.

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
============

Dear [whoever],

Put the text in a 2-column table, with the borders invisible.  Desirably,
make each new "paragraph" a new row -- i.e., don't continue the row so that
it spans more than a page.

Only read on if the document is going to be fairly long.

If the document is fairly long, apply bulleting as part of a style for the
text in the right-hand column rather than manually applying bullets, and
don't use Normal style. When you've finished typing in one row and hit the
Tab key to start a new table row, the new row will have bullets in the
right-hand column already.

If styles are new to you, have a look at some notes on the way I use Word
for the Mac, titled "Bend Word to Your Will", which are available as a free
download from the Word MVPs' website
(http://word.mvps.org/Mac/Bend/BendWordToYourWill.html). [I'm assuming you
are using a Mac version of Word, but realize you may be on Windows as many
Windows users are landing here as a result of a hopeless design of the web
access via the Microsoft website. But if you are on Windows, the principles
are usually the same -- just look for 'PCs and Macs, main differences in
Word interfaces' on page 151 of "Bend Word to Your Will" and do "Find"
commands for "Windows" and "PC".]

Items you'll find relevant are 'Styles and templates ‹ the keys to
consistency and saving time' starting on page 88; 'When to use styles and
when to format directly', p. 94; 'Use a body text style, not Normal, in long
documents' (p. 100); and 'Bullets' on p. 157.

[Note: "Bend Word to your will" is designed to be used electronically and
most subjects are self-contained dictionary-style entries.  If you decide to
read more widely than the item I've referred to, it's important to read the
front end of the document -- especially pages 3 and 5 -- so you can select
some Word settings that will allow you to use the document effectively.]

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is 5-11 hours different from North America and Europe, so my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
============================================================
* SUGGESTION -- KEEP REVISITING AFTER YOU POST: If you post a question, keep
re-visiting the newsgroup for several days after the first response comes
in. Sometimes it takes a few responses before the best or complete solution
is provided; sometimes you'll be asked for further information. Good tips
about getting the best out of posting are at
http://word.mvps.org/Mac/AccessNewsgroups.htmland
http://word.mvps.org/FindHelp/Posting.htm(if you use Safari you may see a
blank page and have to hit the circular arrow icon -- "Reload the current
page" -- two or more times).
============================================================

On 10/6/07 3:17 PM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "(e-mail address removed)"
<[email protected]> wrote:

Hi,  I am creating a template that looks like a script for a play;
justified words on the left side, and then indented a few spaces in,
justified paragraphs that are associated with each word to its right.
      The problem is that for one of the sections I want to have a
bulleted list to the right of text and when I hit the bullet button,
the bullet appears before the word on the left.  To clarify:  On a
single line of text I need to have one word, then some space, then a
bullet and text after the bullet, and a bulleted list continuing under
it.  Every time I hit the bullet button it goes to the left of the
first word.  I need something to look like this:

Text           ·bulleted list
                  ·bulleted list

And it ends up looking like this:

·text             bulleted list

Does anyone know how to do this?
Thanks.

Clive, thank you for your response!
Let me clarify. I am using Microsoft Word 2004 for Mac on a
Macbook. I am in law school and I'm trying to create a template for
case briefs so whenever I need to brief a case, I open the template
and I have the basic topic titles already there on the left side, with
form fields on the right side in the areas where I'll be typing. For
the 'facts' topic, I need a bulleted list.
I tried making a table with inviisble borders and at first it was
invisible, but then I opened the template for a new document and the
table had a light grey border around it. Now, even when I open it in
the template the light grey border is there. Since these briefs
aren't for printing, I need it to be invisible on the computer. I
tried the option-8 for the bullet symbol, but since this is a
template, when I create a document with it, then hit enter after the
first bullet, it won't create another line with a bullet, defeating
the purpose of the template. Do you have any ideas?
Thanks.

Ez Shaffren
Teaneck, NJ, USA

Hello Ez -

Just in case Clive shivering too much to effectively type a response let
me jump in with a possible solution to the gridline issue:

Tables inherently display Gridlines even if you remove the Borders. Open
your template file, click in the Table, then go to the Table menu where
you'll probably see that Gridlines is checked. Select it to remove the
check, then close & save the template.

Assuming I'm right, not only will the gridlines no longer appear in the
template, but new docs based on it won't display the gridlines either. Each
of the files you've already created while the gridlines were displayed,
however, will have to have the gridlines turned off within them.

Re the Bullets:

IIRC, Opt+8 just inserts a Bullet character, it doesn't apply Bullets &
Numbering formatting. That's why you'd need to key Opt+8 for each item when
you type the list. In your template file use Format>Bullets & Numbering or
apply a Bullet style to the para in the table cell. That should cause each
successive press of the Return key to generate the bulleting.

HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

 

[Clive Huggan]

PS: If you *are* on a Mac, you may also wish (especially if the document
isn't all that long) to key the bullets. It's Option-8.  When following with
a tab, if you are in a table you need to key Option-Tab.

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
============

On 10/6/07 4:46 PM, in article
C291DB65.2B7AE%[email protected], "Clive Huggan"

Dear [whoever],

Put the text in a 2-column table, with the borders invisible.  Desirably,
make each new "paragraph" a new row -- i.e., don't continue the row so that
it spans more than a page.

Only read on if the document is going to be fairly long.

If the document is fairly long, apply bulleting as part of a style for the
text in the right-hand column rather than manually applying bullets, and
don't use Normal style. When you've finished typing in one row and hit the
Tab key to start a new table row, the new row will have bullets in the
right-hand column already.

If styles are new to you, have a look at some notes on the way I use Word
for the Mac, titled "Bend Word to Your Will", which are available as a free
download from the Word MVPs' website
(http://word.mvps.org/Mac/Bend/BendWordToYourWill.html). [I'm assuming you
are using a Mac version of Word, but realize you may be on Windows as many
Windows users are landing here as a result of a hopeless design of the web
access via the Microsoft website. But if you are on Windows, the principles
are usually the same -- just look for 'PCs and Macs, main differences in
Word interfaces' on page 151 of "Bend Word to Your Will" and do "Find"
commands for "Windows" and "PC".]

Items you'll find relevant are 'Styles and templates ‹ the keys to
consistency and saving time' starting on page 88; 'When to use styles and
when to format directly', p. 94; 'Use a body text style, not Normal, in
long
documents' (p. 100); and 'Bullets' on p. 157.

[Note: "Bend Word to your will" is designed to be used electronically and
most subjects are self-contained dictionary-style entries.  If you decide
to
read more widely than the item I've referred to, it's important to read the
front end of the document -- especially pages 3 and 5 -- so you can select
some Word settings that will allow you to use the document effectively.]

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is 5-11 hours different from North America and Europe, so my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
============================================================
* SUGGESTION -- KEEP REVISITING AFTER YOU POST: If you post a question,
keep
re-visiting the newsgroup for several days after the first response comes
in. Sometimes it takes a few responses before the best or complete solution
is provided; sometimes you'll be asked for further information. Good tips
about getting the best out of posting are at
http://word.mvps.org/Mac/AccessNewsgroups.htmland
http://word.mvps.org/FindHelp/Posting.htm(if you use Safari you may see a
blank page and have to hit the circular arrow icon -- "Reload the current
page" -- two or more times).
============================================================

On 10/6/07 3:17 PM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "(e-mail address removed)"

Hi,  I am creating a template that looks like a script for a play;
justified words on the left side, and then indented a few spaces in,
justified paragraphs that are associated with each word to its right.
      The problem is that for one of the sections I want to have a
bulleted list to the right of text and when I hit the bullet button,
the bullet appears before the word on the left.  To clarify:  On a
single line of text I need to have one word, then some space, then a
bullet and text after the bullet, and a bulleted list continuing under
it.  Every time I hit the bullet button it goes to the left of the
first word.  I need something to look like this:

Text           ·bulleted list
                  ·bulleted list

And it ends up looking like this:

·text             bulleted list

Does anyone know how to do this?
Thanks.

Clive, thank you for your response!
Let me clarify. I am using Microsoft Word 2004 for Mac on a
Macbook. I am in law school and I'm trying to create a template for
case briefs so whenever I need to brief a case, I open the template
and I have the basic topic titles already there on the left side, with
form fields on the right side in the areas where I'll be typing. For
the 'facts' topic, I need a bulleted list.
I tried making a table with inviisble borders and at first it was
invisible, but then I opened the template for a new document and the
table had a light grey border around it. Now, even when I open it in
the template the light grey border is there. Since these briefs
aren't for printing, I need it to be invisible on the computer. I
tried the option-8 for the bullet symbol, but since this is a
template, when I create a document with it, then hit enter after the
first bullet, it won't create another line with a bullet, defeating
the purpose of the template. Do you have any ideas?
Thanks.

Ez Shaffren
Teaneck, NJ, USA

Hello Ez -

Just in case Clive shivering too much to effectively type a response let
me jump in with a possible solution to the gridline issue:

Tables inherently display Gridlines even if you remove the Borders. Open
your template file, click in the Table, then go to the Table menu where
you'll probably see that Gridlines is checked. Select it to remove the
check, then close & save the template.

Assuming I'm right, not only will the gridlines no longer appear in the
template, but new docs based on it won't display the gridlines either. Each
of the files you've already created while the gridlines were displayed,
however, will have to have the gridlines turned off within them.

Re the Bullets:

IIRC, Opt+8 just inserts a Bullet character, it doesn't apply Bullets &
Numbering formatting. That's why you'd need to key Opt+8 for each item when
you type the list. In your template file use Format>Bullets & Numbering or
apply a Bullet style to the para in the table cell. That should cause each
successive press of the Return key to generate the bulleting.

HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

Thanks, Bob -- it has been a public holiday down here. The freezing cold
made the steam from the locomotives look even better. ;-)

Ez, Bob's comments are consistent with my view (or vice versa). A response
to your comments on the bullets follows.

Literally a Word template, i.e. the suffix is ".dot"? Not sure what the
significance is -- although the file .doc and .dot types are very different,
there is no difference in behaviour within them. Or maybe I'm missing
something.

Exactly. If you are going to be using this for a long time on a lot of
briefs, my comment "If the document is fairly long, apply bulleting as part
of a style for the text in the right-hand column rather than manually
applying bullets" is relevant; don't manually key bullets. I only threw in
the Option-8 comment because I had no feel for whether you were only doing a
one-off document of a few pages or something longer.

If you have the bullets as part of a style rather than applying them by the
"Bullet" toolbar button, you can be fairly assured of the document not
corrupting in future. Also, the formatting will look after itself.

Read the refs I gave you and come back if you need more info. If you take
the trouble to format it that way and aren't delighted in the end, you'll be
the first person *ever* to complain to me that the hour or so spent
understanding styles was not worth it. Styles and related "minimum
maintenance" formatting (see appendix A to "Bend Word to Your Will") saves
me about 20% of my time working on long legal documents and strategic plans
-- and I particularly appreciate documents not corrupting when I'm pushing
something out at 10 o'clock at night.

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is 5-11 hours different from North America and Europe, so my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
============================================================