Can someone explain this with columns and footnotes?

[pforkes]

Version: 2008
Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard)
Processor: Intel

OK, I've just wasted a WHOLE days with this - it;'s now after 10:30 PM on a Saturday night and I'm not happy.

If you add a footnote to a pice of text (the text, in this case is a list of ingredients for a recipe). Then you select the list of ingredients, select 'Columns' from the Format menu. Select 2 columns and click on OK.

What this does is to insert a page break after the text you selected but does NOT create any columns!

Why? WHY? WHY????

This has just taken me since 4 o'clock this afternoon fighting this 'oddity'. I should have been home SIX HOURS AGO.

Why does Microsoft think this is the right behavior?

I WANT COLUMNS...NOT A PAGE BREAK...

 

[CyberTaz]

Without a more detailed description of how much content is on the page it's
hard to be sure, but I think you may be expecting something other than what
Columns alone produces. The columns are "newspaper" style columns that run
from the top of the page to the bottom in column 1 before wrapping up to the
top of column 2. IOW, if there are only a few 1-line paragraphs on the page
applying columns will *not* divide the "list" into 2 columns - it will
merely continue to flow down the left column. If the amount of content
exceeds column 1 it flows to column 2.

Take a look at the Ruler to see if it's segmented in the middle. If I'm
correct you'll see 2 individual white segments separated by a gray portion
which represents the space between columns. You'll need to get involved with
Section Breaks & Column Breaks - in fact, that's what's actually going on
now but you aren't in control

It sounds like you are trying to get the list for one recipe to comprise 2
columns with another recipe beneath it. If that's the case it will be much
easier to do if you use Tables rather than Columns.

HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

 

[pforkes]

The ruler DOES show that I have two columns, but it doesn't actually create two columns.

Try it for yourself (this is the text I am using):

"Serves 4

Three chopped spring onions? (the green and white parts separated)
Quarter of a green pepper finely sliced
One mushroom finely sliced
Half a small carrot cut into matchsticks
1-2 red chillies finely chopped
1 clove of garlic, chopped
The equivalent of ginger cut into fine matchsticks.
A little cooked chicken, pork or prawns
1 Litre chicken stock (made with cubes at a push)
One tablespoon of rice or white wine vinegar
1 tablespoon of light soy sauce
1 teaspoon of sugar
1 dessertspoon of corn flour dissolved in a little water
Half a whisked egg
Pinch of MSG (optional)
1 dessertspoon of groundnut oil.

Method:"

Add a footnote after "1 teaspoon of sugar".

Highlight from "Three chopped..." to '...groundnut oil." Click on the Columns icon, then click on 2 columns and OK.

The word "Method: will be on a second page...

I'm very familiar with Word (and columns). The first time I used Word was in 1985/6 when i was using Word 2.0, under DOS. I have dozens of columns in the same document, but only this one has a footnote (and only this one causes any problems).

I suspect a (yet another) bug.

 

[CyberTaz]

Not a bug so much as it is a matter of how a Word file is structured. Again,
it's a matter of layout conflict within a section forcing the break.

Have a look here:

http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/FtnoteSpanColumns.htm

As the article specifically states, it's a cumbersome workaround - that's
why I suggested using Tables instead.

HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

 

[Phillip Jones, C.E.T.]

Try the following If has you intend is for the ingredients to be in two
columns and the directions and foot notes to go the length of the pages
(or 3x5 , or 4x6 card.

Start with Blank Document: create title and center on page and use
Boldface and larger font size.
now turn on the hidden character bu clicking the paragrapher icon.

After hit return once, create your two columns. Now type your
ingredients. when you get down as far as you want the column to be.
type one more item. now Drag and drop that item to top of next column.
Now continue adding items until you have list complete.

Hit return one more time the switch back one column.

Now: to make sure you can duplicate each part. and create a Style for
each part example Title click at the beginning of the Title and save as
Title Style.
Next click at the beginning of your two columns type something like
recipe body.
now at section for Directions create Directions. if you added a foot
note once you in directions. they should be placed where they should.

Now Save the document as Recipes.

Now when you go to next page invoke Title. type Title. hit return invoke
Recipe Body. when finished hit return and invoke Directions.

Pretty soon you can get into a Groove and it will come natural.

I'll see if I can create a File and and Duplicate what I just
explained If it turns out then I can send a File to you.

The ruler DOES show that I have two columns, but it doesn't actually create two columns.

Try it for yourself (this is the text I am using):

"Serves 4

Three chopped spring onions? (the green and white parts separated)
Quarter of a green pepper finely sliced
One mushroom finely sliced
Half a small carrot cut into matchsticks
1-2 red chillies finely chopped
1 clove of garlic, chopped
The equivalent of ginger cut into fine matchsticks.
A little cooked chicken, pork or prawns
1 Litre chicken stock (made with cubes at a push)
One tablespoon of rice or white wine vinegar
1 tablespoon of light soy sauce
1 teaspoon of sugar
1 dessert spoon of corn flour dissolved in a little water
Half a whisked egg
Pinch of MSG (optional)
1 dessert spoon of groundnut oil.

Method:"

Add a footnote after "1 teaspoon of sugar".

Highlight from "Three chopped..." to '...groundnut oil." Click on the Columns icon, then click on 2 columns and OK.

The word "Method: will be on a second page...

I'm very familiar with Word (and columns). The first time I used Word was in 1985/6 when i was using Word 2.0, under DOS. I have dozens of columns in the same document, but only this one has a footnote (and only this one causes any problems).

I suspect a (yet another) bug.

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[Phillip Jones, C.E.T.]

would the person needing the receipe formatted please send an email.

Try the following If has you intend is for the ingredients to be in two
columns and the directions and foot notes to go the length of the pages
(or 3x5 , or 4x6 card.

Start with Blank Document: create title and center on page and use
Boldface and larger font size.
now turn on the hidden character bu clicking the paragrapher icon.

After hit return once, create your two columns. Now type your
ingredients. when you get down as far as you want the column to be.
type one more item. now Drag and drop that item to top of next column.
Now continue adding items until you have list complete.

Hit return one more time the switch back one column.

Now: to make sure you can duplicate each part. and create a Style for
each part example Title click at the beginning of the Title and save as
Title Style.
Next click at the beginning of your two columns type something like
recipe body.
now at section for Directions create Directions. if you added a foot
note once you in directions. they should be placed where they should.

Now Save the document as Recipes.

Now when you go to next page invoke Title. type Title. hit return invoke
Recipe Body. when finished hit return and invoke Directions.

Pretty soon you can get into a Groove and it will come natural.

I'll see if I can create a File and and Duplicate what I just
explained If it turns out then I can send a File to you.

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Phillip M. Jones, CET mailto[email protected]
If it's "fixed", don't "break it"! http://www.vpea.org
http://www.phillipmjones.net
G4-500 Mac 1.5 GB RAM OSX.3.9 G4-1.67 GB PowerBook 17" 2GB RAM OSX.4.11
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