Cannot get pagination to be different on thefirst page of each chapter

[Lindsay_Holland]

Version: 2008 Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) Processor: Intel My wife's university requires that the first page of each chapter of a doctoral dissertation be centered @ the bottom of the page and all the rest of the pages in the chapter be numbered in the upper right corner. I have tried and tried to follow the instructions re: section breaks and headers and footers to do this w/out success. I believe it can be done but how?

Thanks,

Lindsay Holland
858-243-2720

 

[Phillip Jones, C.E.T.]

This may or may not be the right way:

At first chapter page format as they want. then create a section Break,
then format the other pages as the rest of the chapter. Choose another
section break and repeat the chapter format then another section break
then repeat.

Title
<section break>
Contents of Chapter
<section break>
Title
<section break>
Contents of Chapter
<section break>
Title

Or create a document with just chapters and format just for chapters
then create another document with just Contents then collate them manually.

I've never used styles, but its possible you could type your title the
save as style then create your first chapters and save that style and
save under different name. then as you need to switch, just click
appropriate style. I can't tell you how to create the styles as I have
never used styles.

 

[Lindsay_Holland]

This may or may not be the right way:

>
> At first chapter page format as they want. then create a section Break,
> then format the other pages as the rest of the chapter. Choose another
> section break and repeat the chapter format then another section break
> then repeat.
>
> Title
>
> Contents of Chapter
>
> Title
>
> Contents of Chapter
>
> Title
>
> Or create a document with just chapters and format just for chapters
> then create another document with just Contents then collate them manually.
>
> I've never used styles, but its possible you could type your title the
> save as style then create your first chapters and save that style and
> save under different name. then as you need to switch, just click
> appropriate style. I can't tell you how to create the styles as I have
> never used styles.
>

> > Version: 2008 Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) Processor: Intel
> > My wife's university requires that the first page of each chapter of a
> > doctoral dissertation be centered @ the bottom of the page and all the
> > rest of the pages in the chapter be numbered in the upper right corner.
> > I have tried and tried to follow the instructions re: section breaks and
> > headers and footers to do this w/out success. I believe it can be done
> > but how?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Lindsay Holland
> > 858-243-2720

>
> --
> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. &quot;If it's Fixed, Don't Break it&quot;
> http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org
> mailto[email protected]
>

Thank you. I think this describes what I've already tried but will take another run @ in the morning.

Regards,

Lindsay Holland

 

[CyberTaz]

You first of all need to turn on the non-printing characters (¶) so you can
see what you're working with. Second, work in a *copy* of the file so you'll
have a backup to revert to if necessary. Then remove any manual page breaks
that may have been created in the file... Manual Page Breaks should [almost]
always be avoided if a complex document structure is needed. It would also
be easier if you remove any of the previous page numbering & start fresh.

I'm assuming that there is a title page or unnumbered front matter preceding
the first chapter, that page numbering is to run consecutively throughout
the document & that each chapter should start on a new page:

1- At the beginning of Ch 1 create a Section Break (Next Page)

2- Go to the Header for Section 2. In the Formatting Palette> Header &
Footer group tick the checkbox labeled 'Different First Page'.

3- In what is now marked as 'First Page Footer -Section 2-' press Tab once,
then insert your (centered) page number using the Insert Page Number button
in the Formatting Palette.

4- In what is now marked as 'Header -Section 2-' press Tab twice & insert
your page number using the same Insert Page Number button.

5- At the beginning of Ch 2 insert another Section Break (Next Page) then
tick the 'Different First Page' checkbox & confirm that 'Link to Previous is
checked. You should find that you have the centered page number in the First
Page Footer -Section 3-' & that 'Header -Section 3-' has the page number in
the upper right corner of the page.

6- Go to the start of the next chapter, Insert a Section Break (Next Page),
tick 'Different First Page', repeat as necessary for each successive
chapter.

If you need any variation of page numbering in any way be sure to describe
explicitly how you want the numbering throughout the document.

HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

 

[Lindsay_Holland]

You first of all need to turn on the non-printing characters (&amp;#65533 so you can

> see what you're working with. Second, work in a *copy* of the file so you'll
> have a backup to revert to if necessary. Then remove any manual page breaks
> that may have been created in the file... Manual Page Breaks should [almost]
> always be avoided if a complex document structure is needed. It would also
> be easier if you remove any of the previous page numbering &amp; start fresh.
>
> I'm assuming that there is a title page or unnumbered front matter preceding
> the first chapter, that page numbering is to run consecutively throughout
> the document &amp; that each chapter should start on a new page:
>
> 1- At the beginning of Ch 1 create a Section Break (Next Page)
>
> 2- Go to the Header for Section 2. In the Formatting Palette> Header &amp;
> Footer group tick the checkbox labeled 'Different First Page'.
>
> 3- In what is now marked as 'First Page Footer -Section 2-' press Tab once,
> then insert your (centered) page number using the Insert Page Number button
> in the Formatting Palette.
>
> 4- In what is now marked as 'Header -Section 2-' press Tab twice &amp; insert
> your page number using the same Insert Page Number button.
>
> 5- At the beginning of Ch 2 insert another Section Break (Next Page) then
> tick the 'Different First Page' checkbox &amp; confirm that 'Link to Previous is
> checked. You should find that you have the centered page number in the First
> Page Footer -Section 3-' &amp; that 'Header -Section 3-' has the page number in
> the upper right corner of the page.
>
> 6- Go to the start of the next chapter, Insert a Section Break (Next Page),
> tick 'Different First Page', repeat as necessary for each successive
> chapter.
>
> If you need any variation of page numbering in any way be sure to describe
> explicitly how you want the numbering throughout the document.
>
> HTH |:>)
> Bob Jones
> [MVP] Office:Mac
>
>
>
> On 2/19/10 10:27 PM, in article (e-mail address removed)2ac0,
> &quot;[email protected]&quot; wrote:
>

> > Version: 2008 Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) Processor: Intel My
> > wife's university requires that the first page of each chapter of a doctoral
> > dissertation be centered @ the bottom of the page and all the rest of the
> > pages in the chapter be numbered in the upper right corner. I have tried and
> > tried to follow the instructions re: section breaks and headers and footers
> > to do this w/out success. I believe it can be done but how?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Lindsay Holland
> > 858-243-2720

>
> Wow!, I think you've largely resolved my dilemma except that the first step---&quot;@ the beginning of Ch 1 create a § Break (Next Page)&quot; seems to put a page before the first page of Ch 1 so that it now, incorrectly, begins of p. 2? I may be able to solve this but would welcome one more tip if you're available. Very much obliged.

Lindsay Holland

 

[Phillip Jones, C.E.T.]

Try this to resolve page difference:

Go to Format > Document > Layout click on Different First page. Then you
can number the second page different from the Cover page. See if that
works. Try on a Test to see if works

You first of all need to turn on the non-printing characters (�) so you can
see what you're working with. Second, work in a *copy* of the file so you'll
have a backup to revert to if necessary. Then remove any manual page breaks
that may have been created in the file... Manual Page Breaks should [almost]
always be avoided if a complex document structure is needed. It would also
be easier if you remove any of the previous page numbering & start fresh.

I'm assuming that there is a title page or unnumbered front matter preceding
the first chapter, that page numbering is to run consecutively throughout
the document & that each chapter should start on a new page:

1- At the beginning of Ch 1 create a Section Break (Next Page)

2- Go to the Header for Section 2. In the Formatting Palette> Header &
Footer group tick the checkbox labeled 'Different First Page'.

3- In what is now marked as 'First Page Footer -Section 2-' press Tab once,
then insert your (centered) page number using the Insert Page Number button
in the Formatting Palette.

4- In what is now marked as 'Header -Section 2-' press Tab twice & insert
your page number using the same Insert Page Number button.

5- At the beginning of Ch 2 insert another Section Break (Next Page) then
tick the 'Different First Page' checkbox & confirm that 'Link to Previous is
checked. You should find that you have the centered page number in the First
Page Footer -Section 3-' & that 'Header -Section 3-' has the page number in
the upper right corner of the page.

6- Go to the start of the next chapter, Insert a Section Break (Next Page),
tick 'Different First Page', repeat as necessary for each successive
chapter.

If you need any variation of page numbering in any way be sure to describe
explicitly how you want the numbering throughout the document.

HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

Version: 2008 Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) Processor: Intel My
wife's university requires that the first page of each chapter of a doctoral
dissertation be centered @ the bottom of the page and all the rest of the
pages in the chapter be numbered in the upper right corner. I have tried and
tried to follow the instructions re: section breaks and headers and footers
to do this w/out success. I believe it can be done but how?

Thanks,

Lindsay Holland
858-243-2720

Wow!, I think you've largely resolved my dilemma except that the

first step---"@ the beginning of Ch 1 create a § Break (Next Page)"
seems to put a page before the first page of Ch 1 so that it now,
incorrectly, begins of p. 2? I may be able to solve this but would
welcome one more tip if you're available. Very much obliged.

Lindsay Holland

 

[CyberTaz]

First of all check very closely to make sure that there isn't a manual page
break separating the start of Ch 1 or the 'empty' page from the pages that
precede it... There probably isn't or you would have seen it before

Also: Is there anything else that's been used in the document that may need
to be considered, such as Mirror Margins, Different Odd/Even, etc.? It's
better to take all that into consideration right off the bat.

If there isn't any of the above you should likely see a non-printing
character (looks like a bullet) to the left of the first line on Ch 1. If
there is, it means that in Format> Paragraph - Line & Page Breaks, Page
Break Before is applied. If that paragraph attribute has been included in
the Style used for formatting the chapter titles the same thing will happen
at the start of each chapter. Modify the style to remove the Page Break
Before attribute -- you'll be using the Next Page Section Breaks instead.

If Page Break Before has been manually applied to each chapter title it will
have to be removed by going into the Format> Paragraph dialog & clearing the
check. You can Select All, then make the change if the attribute hasn't been
used in other paras where you want to retain it.

As for the numbering itself, I'm not clear on how you want it to start. Once
the pagination is cleared up see if the numbering falls into place. If it
still is not what you want, explicitly describe how you do want the
numbering to run -- where it should start, what it should start with, etc.

HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac