Cannot Open any Applics after 2004 Install

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Duncan_Alldridge

Hi,

Sorry for the second post but it was worse than I thought!

Have just installed Office 2004 Mac on OSX 10.3.9.

All of the applications, Word, Excel etc. crash on start up, no matter where I try to open them. Entourage runs but crashes when I click certain mails.

eg

Microsoft Error Reporting log version: 1.0

Error Signature:
Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS
Date/Time: 2008-01-26 12:30:20 +0000
Application Name: Microsoft Word
Application Version: 11.3.5.070413
Module Name: ATS
Module Version: unknown
Module Offset: 0x0002a9f4
Extra app info: Reg=English Loc=0x0409

Can I uninstall Office and reinstall? I presume I can use the existing product key..?

Duncan
 
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Duncan_Alldridge

Hi ya

Yes. I've done this thanks using Remove Office. Same key fine. But I've still got the same crashes. Quite tough at the mo as I can't open any docs as Word crashes instantly, dosn't even open, Used to read them in notebook! Agh!
 
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JE McGimpsey

Hi ya<br>
<br>
Yes. I've done this thanks using Remove Office. Same key fine. But I've still
got the same crashes. Quite tough at the mo as I can't open any docs as Word
crashes instantly, dosn't even open, Used to read them in notebook! Agh!

You might try reapplying update 11.3.5 (and applying 11.3.6->11.3.9 as
well). Download the updaters from MacTopia.
 
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John McGhie

Well, all we can say is that this is symptomatic of uninstalled Updates.

I suggest you go to the Apple site first, and make sure you have your
operating system fully up-to-date, by instaling the latest combo updater and
anything released after it.

Then do the same for Office 2004: go to the Microsoft site and install
update 11.3.5 and all the patches released after it.

When you first install Office 2004, you get version 1.0.0 off the disk.
That WILL crash every time in OS 10.5 :)

Cheers


thanks for the support

tried all those!!

same crashes....

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Diane Ross

Yes. I've done this thanks using Remove Office. Same key fine. But I've still
got the same crashes. Quite tough at the mo as I can't open any docs as Word
crashes instantly, dosn't even open, Used to read them in notebook! Agh!

Let's determine if this is a system wide problem or a User problem. Go to
System Preferences and create a new User. Open Word and see if the problems
happen there. In that situation, you need to do an "Archive & Install" of
the OS. (if your system is really hosed, you might have to do an "Erase &
Install")

Archive and Install

Make sure to choose the options to maintain your user settings. Once the
install has finished, your system will be at whatever level the disk you
have is. So if your Install DVD/CD disk is 10.3.3, that's what version of OS
will be on your Mac. You will need to download the appropriate Combo Updater
from Apple's site to restore the system to a higher version. After you run
the combo, allow Software Update to download and install any additional
updates.

If the problem did go away, this is telling you the problem is in your
User's folder. See how to test your User's folder for the problem:

<http://www.entourage.mvps.org/troubleshoot/test_user.html>
 
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Duncan_Alldridge

Thanks for the support.

Unfortunately..

So I've done, new user, Archive and Install, Combo update, uninstall office, reinstall office and all updates.

Same crashes, except for Entourage.

Erase and Install sounds radical. I have two HDs, the second only for audio, which isn't gonna be touched. I guess if I erase the Mac HD I'm gonna loose data. Maybe I could install Office on the Other HD - don't really want to do this.. Next? :)
 
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John McGhie

Hi Duncan:

OK, I've lost the thread here, so let me check that you have:

1) Searched for and removed all instances of Normal template?

2) Gone to ~/Library/Preferences/Microsoft/Word Settings (10) and removed
that file?

3) Searched for and deleted all preferences with "microsoft" in the name
from both the System Library and your User library?

4) Moved your Microsoft User Data folder off the disk and re-named it?

If you have done all of the above, then do a "Safe Boot" ( Hold down the
Shift key immediately after the startup tone, and release when you see the
progress indicator (looks like a spinning gear).

This is a "conflict". I am trying to find out what it is conflicting 'with'
:)

If Word/Excel runs in Safe Mode (well, they won't, but they shouldn't
crash...) then we need to remove all your Startup items, then bring them
back one after the other until we find out which one is doing this.

Yes, an Erase install will remove the entire content of the hard disk. You
do not need to lose data, you could move it to your external drive
temporarily. But let's see what happens when you do the rest of these
before we do anything that drastic (partly because if it works with an Erase
Install, you then have to be careful what you bring back...)

Hope this helps

Thanks for the support.

Unfortunately..

So I've done, new user, Archive and Install, Combo update, uninstall office,
reinstall office and all updates.

Same crashes, except for Entourage.

Erase and Install sounds radical. I have two HDs, the second only for audio,
which isn't gonna be touched. I guess if I erase the Mac HD I'm gonna loose
data. Maybe I could install Office on the Other HD - don't really want to do
this.. Next? :)

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Nhulunbuy, Northern Territory, Australia
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Duncan_Alldridge

Ok John, Ok....

Instead of installing a new user, I mistakenly changed my old user name and password and then did archive and install instead. So this has confused me! So I probably didn't create a new user just renamed the old one?

So I've got three library folders now. Locations are: System, previous system 1 and Mac HD.

I can't find normal template. What kind of file is it and where would it be.

Gone to ~/Library/Preferences/Microsoft/Word Settings (10) and removed
that file?
this file wasn't there and they were all (11) not (10)

what is a 'preference'..? Do you mean all files in the folders called 'Preferences'? Tried to do this. Sorry if i am not up to technical speed. Haven't been using Mac much ;(

Microsoft user data - I have renamed this and dragged to Desktop.

So started in safe mode just to see. Still crash. By a crash I mean that word/powerpoint/excel etc will not open and I get a microsoft error message. The Mac doesn't 'hang' entirely :) I do not get this error opening Entourage, which works.

Cheers,
Duncan,

Shall I create a new user and Archive and Install again instead of just renaming!?

btw - Is there a way I can convert any files from .doc files as I can't open anything at the mo as all my files now think they need Word - which I can't access.

I'm sure we'll sort it!

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John McGhie

Hi Duncan:

If you didn't have Word X on your system, then your Normal template is a
file that is simply named "Normal" (no extension) and it would have been in
your Microsoft User Data folder, unless you moved it.

In which case, it is now on your desktop and safely out of harm's way.

We're getting awfully close to needing an Erase and Install. Things are
getting a bit mixed up :)

Yes, Preview, Pages, and TextEdit will all open .doc files.

We would need the TEXT and the numbers in the error message befoe we can go
much further. We have two problems: "conflicts" and "missing bits".

It would be worth doing another install of Office 2008.

But first, I need to get those preferences out. Yes, I do mean the
/library/preferences folder, and I also mean the ~/Library/Preferences
folder and its subfolders.

So two folders: one is the "System" folder for all users. The ~ folder is
the one that begins with your user name. Those preferences are personal to
you.

I need you to remove every one of those with "microsoft" in its name. But
ONLY the Microsoft ones :)

Keep an eye out for suggestions from the other people here too: this is
officially a "hard" problem, and I have no confidence in my solution to
this.

Hope this helps

Ok John, Ok....

Instead of installing a new user, I mistakenly changed my old user name and
password and then did archive and install instead. So this has confused me! So
I probably didn't create a new user just renamed the old one?

So I've got three library folders now. Locations are: System, previous system
1 and Mac HD.

I can't find normal template. What kind of file is it and where would it be.

Gone to ~/Library/Preferences/Microsoft/Word Settings (10) and removed
that file?
this file wasn't there and they were all (11) not (10)

what is a 'preference'..? Do you mean all files in the folders called
'Preferences'? Tried to do this. Sorry if i am not up to technical speed.
Haven't been using Mac much ;(

Microsoft user data - I have renamed this and dragged to Desktop.

So started in safe mode just to see. Still crash. By a crash I mean that
word/powerpoint/excel etc will not open and I get a microsoft error message.
The Mac doesn't 'hang' entirely :) I do not get this error opening Entourage,
which works.

Cheers,
Duncan,

Shall I create a new user and Archive and Install again instead of just
renaming!?

btw - Is there a way I can convert any files from .doc files as I can't open
anything at the mo as all my files now think they need Word - which I can't
access.

I'm sure we'll sort it!

D

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Nhulunbuy, Northern Territory, Australia
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Duncan_Alldridge

not looking gr8

I've taken out the library preferences folder, Office still won't load (error 10660 when I try and load a word file from Desktop) So I'm now in default mode on the Mac. Have lost old mails but think that's because I have already done archive and restore. Apple mail has no data in it.

Have tested for corrupt entourage prefs

have tried in safe mode

have deleted all evidence of 'microsoft' in preferences and subfolders

have reloaded office etc

Some applics now behave strangely - Iphoto needs to reload Ilife and Dreamweaver 2004 won't load. Logic is ok and I have audio files on another internal HD. Thank goodness.

Entourage still ok - tho have deleted some bad messages causing crashes. It's the other office applics that won't open at all. If anyone is interested I have the error report.

think I'd better learn to create a disk image - can I restore this if i erase and restore? Photos.. Itunes music etc etc.

I can post the report if anyone thinks it's useful. It's long.

Frustrated, not sure what to do. Knowledge gaps emerging!

Duncan
 
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Duncan_Alldridge

Am going to start another thread - to see if i can get some more help on this as the title of this thread misleads..

thanks!

Duncan
 
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John McGhie

Hi Curt:

Are you still around? I have run out of ideas here. What should I advise
this user?

Duncan: Please don't do anything else until we get Curt's take on this.
Curt is the Microsoft Software Engineer fighting the fires in this group
currently.

A 10660 error means "Unable to find something", but I am not sure what.

Oh: One thought... "How" are you trying to open a Word .doc? If you use
File>Open from within Word, what happens? The ability to double-click files
on the desktop will not appear until Word has successfully launched for the
first time, at which time, it should generate the preferences needed to tell
the System what to do with double-clicked .docs.

Cheers


not looking gr8

I've taken out the library preferences folder, Office still won't load (error
10660 when I try and load a word file from Desktop) So I'm now in default mode
on the Mac. Have lost old mails but think that's because I have already done
archive and restore. Apple mail has no data in it.

Have tested for corrupt entourage prefs

have tried in safe mode

have deleted all evidence of 'microsoft' in preferences and subfolders

have reloaded office etc

Some applics now behave strangely - Iphoto needs to reload Ilife and
Dreamweaver 2004 won't load. Logic is ok and I have audio files on another
internal HD. Thank goodness.

Entourage still ok - tho have deleted some bad messages causing crashes. It's
the other office applics that won't open at all. If anyone is interested I
have the error report.

think I'd better learn to create a disk image - can I restore this if i erase
and restore? Photos.. Itunes music etc etc.

I can post the report if anyone thinks it's useful. It's long.

Frustrated, not sure what to do. Knowledge gaps emerging!

Duncan

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Nhulunbuy, Northern Territory, Australia
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]
 
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Curt Laird

Hi all,
First off, sorry for the trouble, Duncan. I know how frustrating this must
be for you. I appreciate your patience. Rest assured we are looking for an
answer.

A search through the Office code base does not turn up an error 10660. I
have a feeling it lives in a string table and that will take a bit more work
to find. I'll let you know what I discover.

If you can bear with me, I'd also like you to try a few more things. Some of
these might be redundant from what John and others have recommended. If
you've already tried them, simply ignore and move to the next item.

1. Uninstall Office. Navigate to the folder where it used to reside and
delete it (if it still exists)
2. Go to System Prefs. Under Users, remove all start up items (make a note
to add the back later)
3. Go to <HD>:Library:Application Support: and move or delete the Microsoft
Folder
4. Go to ~/Library/Fonts move any fonts found in this folder to a new
location (outside of the Fonts folder)
5. Go to ~/Library/Caches/ and delete all Microsoft Folders
6. Move or delete ~/Documents/Microsoft User Data
7. Go to ~/Library/ and delete the Microsoft folder
8. Go to ~/Library/Preferences and delete the following files
-All files that begin with "com.microsoft"
-All files that being with "microsoft"
-Microsoft folder
9. Open the Disk Utility (found in Applications/Utilities and run a
permissions check and verify the disk
10. Reboot.

Be sure to back up anything you want to keep from the above steps. These
steps should remove all remnants of Office from your system. (aside from the
PID)

Reinstall Office and see if things are any better. If the above steps does
not remedy your problem, please send the following to me (e-mail is below):

1. Screen shot of the error
2. The complete crash log (copy from the crash dialog and paste it into an
e-mail)
3. Start up Activity Monitor (in Applications/Utilities) and do a File>Save
to regular text.

I also want to confirm that this is specific to Office 2004 and 2008 has not
been installed on the machine.

Also, please let me know at any time you have ever installed any 3rd party
plug-ins or add-ons for Office.

Lastly, feel free to contact me directly.


Thanks!


Curt



Hi Curt:

Are you still around? I have run out of ideas here. What should I advise
this user?

Duncan: Please don't do anything else until we get Curt's take on this.
Curt is the Microsoft Software Engineer fighting the fires in this group
currently.

A 10660 error means "Unable to find something", but I am not sure what.

Oh: One thought... "How" are you trying to open a Word .doc? If you use
File>Open from within Word, what happens? The ability to double-click files
on the desktop will not appear until Word has successfully launched for the
first time, at which time, it should generate the preferences needed to tell
the System what to do with double-clicked .docs.

Cheers

--
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Software Development Engineer in Test
Microsoft MacBU - Word
(e-mail address removed) (remove ³ONLINE² for all replies)

This posting is provided ³AS IS² with no warranties, and confers no rights.
 
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John McGhie

Hi Duncan:

Best not to do that. The deafening silence in here is because you have run
us all out of ideas ‹ including Curt, who is one of the Microsoft Engineers
who developed Office 2008.

However, Curt is slaving over a hot Macintosh as we speak, and he will get
back to you quite soon.

In the meantime, if you can keep everything to do with your matter in the
same thread, that will help make sure we do not miss anything.

Sorry for your bad experience...

Am going to start another thread - to see if i can get some more help on this
as the title of this thread misleads..

thanks!

Duncan

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Nhulunbuy, Northern Territory, Australia
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Duncan_Alldridge

ok guys, next instalment.

Kurt - here's the list

1. Office uninstalled. Had to drag office folder to Trash. Error 10660 appeared again when trying to use assistant. The microsoft Uninstall appeared not to work, folder still there.
2. Start up items removed
3. Done
4. Done
5. Deleted previously
6. Moved to Dtop
7. N/a
8. Done previously
9. Done. Wouldn't allow me to click and verify disk though. Ver and Rep Permssions was ok.
10. Done

Same error message I'm afaid after Install Office and all updates

'Msoft whatever has encountered a problem and needs to close'

I don't know how to send a screen shot of this error box but it looks bog standard

I enclose the complete crash log and Activity monitor via email to you Kurt, see if you can figure anything.

2008 has not been installed

No 3rd party plug ins for Office.

I have duplicates of some folders now as I have Repaired and Installed OS X at the start of this thread.

Thanks guys!

Duncan
 

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