Can't mix fonts "inside" one word

[Chuck M]

The front part of my client's name is "Laser" and the back part is
"Save". Laser uses ITC Garamond regular. Save uses ultra italic.

I'm running Word X (latest update) in OSX.3.9. When I mix those two
fonts in LaserSave, it prints with what looks like a word space between
the two halves.

Prints the same way for him - in OS9.

I've tried kerning. Doesn't help. Do others have this problem? Have
they solved it? TIA...

 

[CyberTaz]

Kerning won't do it because that only applies to specific character pairs
when they occur together. What you are looking for is in the same dialog,
however.

Select the rS *only*, then go to FormatFont>Character Spacing, change the
Spacing: to Condensed & adjust using the value box... although you can't
really trust what you see in the Preview, so it will take some trial &
error. Also keep in mind that printing on different printers will very
likely render different results on paper.

Once you get it as you want it, create an AutoText entry so you can insert
it as necessary in other docs without having to recreate it or copy/paste
each time.

 

[Chuck M]

Select the rS *only*, then go to FormatFont>Character Spacing, change the
Spacing: to Condensed & adjust using the value box

That technique worked great for me. Sent the file to my client, plus
faxed him a copy of my print. Tomorrow I'll find out if his print looks
the same.

I did need to make one small alteration to the procedure. I found that
selecting the first letter in the combination allowed me to close the
space where the fonts changed inside one word. Selecting both the r and
S would change two letter spaces, which I didn't need.

Phase 2 of the project is to come up with a Word file that prints
reliably on my client's clients' printers. I'll make it on my OSX Mac.
He'll tinker with the prices on his OS9 Mac. And his clients will
mostly print it from their Windows machines.

I think the approach is to change the font family from ITC Garamond to
one of the basics - perhaps Times New Roman. Make sure it's a Truetype
font. I *think* it can be a Windows Truetype font and that Word X in
OSX.3.9 will be able to work with it.

In converting the file, I understand that the font can be embedded (if
that's the right term) in the document. And that the resulting document
will be fine in OS9 and various flavors of Windows.

If someone can confirm that approach, I will leap into the air, high
enough to quickly slide a newspaper under my feet, if it isn't a Sunday
paper. And then I will head for Word Help to see how to do it...

TIA...

 

[PhilD]

In converting the file, I understand that the font can be embedded (if
that's the right term) in the document. And that the resulting document
will be fine in OS9 and various flavors of Windows.

Regrettably, it is not possible to embed fonts in Word for Mac. See
<http://groups.google.com/group/micr...browse_thread/thread/0a3fc460fe770de5/?hl=en#>
for some discussion and link to some more.

PhilD

 

[Chuck M]

Regrettably, it is not possible to embed fonts in Word for Mac. See
<http://groups.google.com/group/micr...browse_thread/thread/0a3fc460fe770de5/?hl=en#>
for some discussion and link to some more.

Thank you. In that case, I'm hoping I can make the Word file on my Mac
in OSX.3.9. Then take it to a Windows PC, check it out, and embed the
fonts there. Will that work? Will that file view and print properly on
various flavors of Windows, and on Macs, both OS9 and OSX?

(I don't demand that the solutions to my problems be total or
comprehensive, but I start out hoping...)

 

[Clive Huggan]

Thank you. In that case, I'm hoping I can make the Word file on my Mac
in OSX.3.9. Then take it to a Windows PC, check it out, and embed the
fonts there. Will that work? Will that file view and print properly on
various flavors of Windows, and on Macs, both OS9 and OSX?

(I don't demand that the solutions to my problems be total or
comprehensive, but I start out hoping...)

Hello Chuck,

Please let us know how you go with this. I have intended to do this for a
long time but haven't got around to it.

I like "I don't demand that the solutions to my problems be total or
comprehensive, but I start out hoping" as a motto for the Word user.

It's right up there with Bob Buckland's "Word rarely misses an opportunity
to perplex". ))

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is 5-11 hours different from the US and Europe, so my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
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[CyberTaz]

I think the approach is to change the font family from ITC Garamond to
one of the basics - perhaps Times New Roman. Make sure it's a Truetype
font. I *think* it can be a Windows Truetype font and that Word X in
OSX.3.9 will be able to work with it.

Probably a good idea. TTF TNR should drag & drop from PC to Mac & back as
many TTFs do. You can also send a copy of the font file along with the doc
rather than embedding (PhilD has clued you in on that). Although I'm not
sure about the OS 9-based systems I think it will work _better_ than the
previous combination.

If someone can confirm that approach, I will leap into the air, high
enough to quickly slide a newspaper under my feet, if it isn't a Sunday
paper. And then I will head for Word Help to see how to do it...

Be careful not to bump your head on the coffee table

BTW - Have you considered setting up the logo in PhotoShop or Illustrator &
inserting it in the docs as a graphic? Either the text item or graphic item
can also be used as an AutoText or AutoCorrect entry so you won't have to
recreate/insert it repeatedly.

Will that file view and print properly on
various flavors of Windows, and on Macs, both OS9 and OSX?

That will depend on a few other things, such as the printer drivers on each
system/platform... They are what actually dictate the final composition for
Preview & Print. Also, default resolution differences on PC/Mac - 96 ppi v.
72 ppi - will cause some degree of variation, but you can help the issue
immensely by keeping the layout as simple as possible & controlling the
formatting through the effective use of styles for both char as well as para
attributes.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

 

[John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]]

Hi Chuck:

If you embed fonts in PC Word, the fonts will not be used or removed in Mac
Word.

The fonts will be "used" in PC Word only if the fonts manufacturer's allow
embedding.

TrueType and OpenType fonts have a table that allows font developers to set
the embedding level to one of four choices:
€ Restricted License Embedding ­ No embedding allowed in a document.
€ Print & Preview Embedding ­ The font may be embedded in a read-only
document, and must only be installed temporarily on the remote system.
€ Editable Embedding ­ The font may be embedded in a document, and must
only be installed temporarily on the remote system.
€ Installable Embedding ­ The font may be embedded in a document, and
may be permanently installed on the remote system.

Mac Office does not support font embedding, so Word on the Mac will never be
aware of embedded fonts.

Cheers

Thank you. In that case, I'm hoping I can make the Word file on my Mac
in OSX.3.9. Then take it to a Windows PC, check it out, and embed the
fonts there. Will that work? Will that file view and print properly on
various flavors of Windows, and on Macs, both OS9 and OSX?

(I don't demand that the solutions to my problems be total or
comprehensive, but I start out hoping...)

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Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant
Technical Writer.
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410

 

[CyberTaz]

Another thought along those lines...

PC Word does not provide any selectivity - if you choose to embed fonts the
entire font for every font used in the doc (even if only *1* character/glyph
in the font is actually used - such as a Wingdings bullet) is embedded. The
inevitable result is that the doc file size will be larger - often
significantly so.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

 

[Chuck M]

"Probably a good idea. TTF TNR should drag & drop from PC to Mac & back
as
many TTFs do."

I downloaded the Windows version of TTF TNR from Microsoft. Deciding
that I wouldn't want it for much beside Word, I put it in the Fonts
folder for Office X. Seems to work fine.


"BTW - Have you considered setting up the logo in PhotoShop or
Illustrator &
inserting it in the docs as a graphic? Either the text item or graphic
item
can also be used as an AutoText or AutoCorrect entry so you won't have
to
recreate/insert it repeatedly."

Considered looking into something like that, but it's only used 4 times
(at 4 different sizes). Am waiting to see if the new file with
condensed spacing prints as well for the client as for me. If I
inserted it four times, would the file size reflect four copies? With
or without AutoText? I also wondered if leading would be hard to
control.


"but you can help the issue immensely by keeping the layout as simple
as possible
& controlling the formatting through the effective use of styles for
both char as well as
para attributes."

The layout is what it is - a form. So it's not real simple, but not
elaborate. I use para and char styles all the time in InDesign. Guess I
should transfer the habit to Word.

I think I won't do the embed thing until we test drive the file with
TTF TNR. With such a common font, embedding may not be needed.

Appreciate the help, multiple times. Is there a way to get to this
thread without paging through more and more pages of "older" topics?

 

[Elliott Roper]

The layout is what it is - a form. So it's not real simple, but not
elaborate. I use para and char styles all the time in InDesign. Guess I
should transfer the habit to Word.

Indeed. By defining similar styles with similar names in both InDesign
and Word you can get an excellent workflow going. InDesign does a good
job of picking up Word documents and flowing the text properly.

I think I won't do the embed thing until we test drive the file with
TTF TNR. With such a common font, embedding may not be needed.

Appreciate the help, multiple times. Is there a way to get to this
thread without paging through more and more pages of "older" topics?

You seem to be using Google Groups. Try posting via the 'show options'
flavour of 'reply' to get your quoting flowing properly. A possibly
better solution is to use a dedicated newsreader combined with a NNTP
service from your ISP or elsewhere. Hogwasher, MacSoup, and
MT-Newswatcher are popular Mac news clients. I use Thoth, but that is
no longer available.
(you can subscribe directly to Microsoft's news servers for free, but
the groups are only Microsoft's)
In Google, you can use groups advanced search. You can also Google the
"message id" and references to get related messages.
e.g. Start at
http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
put microsoft.public.mac.office.word in the "Return only messages
from the *group* at this location"
then in "Return only messages where the *subject* contains"
"mix fonts one word"
and google will give you a neat threaded list of this whole discussion
and nothing else.

I do hope I'm not teaching my granny to suck eggs here Chuck, but it
might help the odd newly arrived reader to get the best from this
rather excellent group.

In particular, variations on this recipe when searching the archives
before asking what you fear may be an embarrassingly frequent question
is often useful.

 

[Beth Rosengard]

Hi Chuck,

What Elliott said ... plus this:
<http://word.mvps.org/Mac/AccessNewsgroups.html>

Definitely use a newsreader with the MS News Server.

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Beth Rosengard
MacOffice MVP

Mac Word FAQ: <http://word.mvps.org/Mac/WordMacHome.html>
My Site: <http://www.bethrosengard.com>