can't see page numners

[muword]

I am having a strange problem. I have a longish document about 400
pages. For some reason I can't see the page numbers on the first 22
pages of my document but they appear normally on the remainder of the
doc. Any ideas? Thanks.

 

[Elliott Roper]

I am having a strange problem. I have a longish document about 400
pages. For some reason I can't see the page numbers on the first 22
pages of my document but they appear normally on the remainder of the
doc. Any ideas? Thanks.

Have you got a section break after page 22?
If yes, then there at least 2 possibilities.
Page margins too small for printer in the first section
Section has no numbering.

 

[JosypenkoMJ]

If you have a picture covering the whole page (a page with margins set
to 0), it will also cover up page numbers. This is a annoying feature
of Word - Word tries to force you to use margins, and won't place the
page number above a picture if the picture extends to the area where
the page number is.
If one imports pictures already with margins, one would like to set the
Word margins to 0. But this covers up page numbers.

 

[Daiya Mitchell]

No, of course not. Because you just put a picture on top of them.

You can try setting the picture to "behind text". These three Help topics
should explain more than I know:

Layer objects in front of or behind text

Text-wrapping options

Change the order of overlapping objects

 

[JosypenkoMJ]

The problem is that unlike in drawing programs such as Canvas or
Autocad, the graphics in Word are so poorly presented and handled it
leads to confusion. There are too many different views and objects.
Page numbers are normally drawn in the margins. In normal view, they
aren't drawn. In page view, they're seen (in some form) even if there
are no margins or if any picture overlaps them. (In Word 95, any
overlapping pictures hides them). In print view, they're seen only if
there are margins to draw them in. Overlapping pictures will not hide
them.
There are 2 types of pictures (Format/picture/layout (Word 2001)) :

- inline-with-text pictures are in the same plane as text and can only
exist between text
- floating pictures are in their own plane, and can be placed in front
or behind text.

Page numbers appear to be its own object in its own plane and are not
text, thus floating pictures cannot be placed in front or behind them.

 

[Daiya Mitchell]

Did you use Insert | Page Numbers to put in the page number? In that case
it's in a frame, and I'm not quite sure what that does to the layering.
Though Page Numbers are definitely in the header/footer layer, so yes, it's
very possible nothing can go behind that.

Alternatively, keeping it in the frame might make it an object that you can
call to the front. Apparently frames can float as well, but in the text
layer.

Are you saying that Print Preview shows the page numbers on top of the
picture, but they don't print that way? That may suggest a glitch with the
printer.

What are you doing with this image? Is it a background for letterhead or
something? If so, you might want to try anchoring it in the header/footer,
in which case it would be in the same layer and might interact differently
with the page number.

The problem is that unlike in drawing programs such as Canvas or
Autocad, the graphics in Word are so poorly presented and handled it
leads to confusion.

Well yes. Because it isn't a drawing program. I don't mess with graphics
in Word, so I'm just kinda guessing above. I vaguely recall that maybe Word
has something like 19 "layers" or stories that elements can exist
within...so you see the complexity.

These might offer more information, and possibly enable a workaround.

About the draw layer
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/DrwGrphcs/DrawLayer.htm
(hit refresh a few times in Safari, or use a different browser)

About floating graphics
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=268713

 

[JosypenkoMJ]

What I'm doing is producing lots of 8.5x11" graphs in landscape view
with appropiate margins, elsewhere as .pict files. I import them into
Quick Time movies to show trends. Some of the graphs I import into a
Word file report as inline pictures. Since they already have margins
(needed for the movies), I set Word margins to 0. But this causes
problems. If I insert page numbers, there is no margin to place them
in. They still show in page view, but in print preview, which is what
is printed on paper, there are no page numbers.
I guess the possibility of pictures overlapping page numbers is
irrelevant - the numbers end up at the unprintable edge of the paper
anyway.

http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/DrwG rphcs/DrawLayer.htm - interesting. I
guess things gets complicated very fast.

 

[Daiya Mitchell]

I guess the possibility of pictures overlapping page numbers is

irrelevant - the numbers end up at the unprintable edge of the paper
anyway.

Well, if the page number were in a frame, you should be able to drag it
anywhere you want. Not sure whether it will show up, though.

 

[JosypenkoMJ]

I tried to move the page numbers into the space where a picture is. All
it does is :

- readjust the margins (makes them bigger if needed) so that the page
number is still in the margin
- shrinks or moves the picture so that it is not in the resultant
margins.

Thus page numbers are in margins, margins and pictures cannot share the
same space ---> page numbers and pictures cannot share the same space.

 

[Daiya Mitchell]

If the picture is behind text, you can drag the frame on top of it, but the
number promptly vanishes anyhow. Sorry.