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Message: [QUOTE="Susan, post: 5533461"] Hello. I'm using word 2003. I hope I can describe this adequately so you have an idea of what I am trying to do. I am trying to design a logo that is basically a circle with an image in the center and words around the image in a circle. However, what I need to do is have the words "upright" all around the circle. That is, I don't want the bottom of the circle to have the words upside down, which is the way it seems to work in Word Art. I tried using an up arch and a down arch, but the boxes overlap and push each other out of the way. I'm fairly new with word art and with drawing objects in general, so any help would be appreciated. Thanks! [/QUOTE]