collor yellow is not yellow

[Karel Van der peijl]

Hi,

need advice about background.
I have chosen yellow.(pub 2003)
It shows Cyan 0, Magenta 0,Yellow 24, Black 0

At the commercial printer service it shows in real collor result Yellow 37
and a bit of Magenta 3%.
Question:
Can I change that somewhere or is it only windows related problem?

Regards,

Karel

 

[Jeff Daghir]

It sounds like it could be a color management problem, but you have to give
us more details about the exact workflow that is used. How is the Publisher
file output generated? Postscript printed to Acrobat Distiller, Postscript
printed to a file, Postscript printed directly to a rip, what printer driver
is used to create the Postscript, what is done with the Postscript after is
has been generated, etc.

--

Jeff Daghir
MPS Printing, Inc.
The Ink & Paper People!
Madison, IN

 

[Karel Van der peijl]

You are right...sorry.
We used adobe PDF version number 6,
adobe collor settings: None
Output: Composite RGB

In Publisher you can setup background collors.
We have the collor yellow, from the basic collors in the program/pallet.
It shows then:Collor model CMYK
Cyan 2
Magenta 1
Yellow 31
Black 0

On the standard printoptions at the commercial service it coms out as yellow
39.
=====
We have changed the above settings in PUB from yellow back to:
Cyan 0
Magenta 0
Yellow 24
Black 0

And now the commercial printer has the same collor yellow as we have in
mind.
To avoid this i would like to know how we can set our out put, because the
commercial printer told us his settings are the best standard options.

Hope this will help.

Thanks,
Karel

 

[Jeff Daghir]

I suspect your problem is caused by the Composite RGB output. You are going
from CMYK in Publisher, converting to RGB when you create the PDF, then back
again to CMYK at the commercial printer. A round trip through color spaces
like this is practically guaranteed to mess up your color values. I would
recommend you start with a CMYK publisher document and print composite CMYK
output to Acrobat Distiller. I think this should preserve the CMYK values
you use in Publisher.

--

Jeff Daghir
MPS Printing, Inc.
The Ink & Paper People!
Madison, IN



Karl said:

 

[Karel Van der peijl]

Dear Jeff,

I used as a test file CMYK.
The running file Icon at the bottum of my screen of PDF is not showing
anymore, but I can see that Pub is printing.
The old file in PDF (output RGB) is aprox. 18 mb and on your way it shows
already more then 125 mb. That takes more time.
I use many pictures in my document and I can remember that the commercial
printer told us it takes indeed a long time to convert back.

It was also not printed and was stopped...... and some message came up. I
could not read the message, because the popup was gone quick.

Question:
Is there another option to get the same result, but in shorter time?
Or is this the noormal situation and is that correct?,

Thanks for the help,
Karel

 

[Jeff Daghir]

The only other method that I know of would be to generate CMYK separations
instead of CMYK composite, and give your printer a separated PDF. But your
printer might not like that (makes it difficult to impose, trap or proof),
and I'm not sure it would print any quicker than composite CMYK. CMYK
Postscript is usually larger than RGB Postscript because there are 4
channels of info instead of three. And on top of that, Publisher doesn't
always play well with CMYK output. Sometimes it has trouble generating CMYK
output. But if you want your CMYK values to stay the same as the values you
specify in your Publisher document, then your output must be CMYK. CMYK to
RGB to CMYK will almost certainly change your CMYK values.

As a side note, if you do this type of work frequently, you might want to
consider investing in a more robust layout application. Publisher is fine
for smaller, infrequent projects, but there are better (and unfortunately
more expensive) tools for large projects or frequent use.

--

Jeff Daghir
MPS Printing, Inc.
The Ink & Paper People!
Madison, IN

Karel said:>

 

[Karel Van der peijl]

Dear Jeff,
Thanks for all the help and advice.
I am willing to buy other software, but they told me here there is only Mac
software adviced and no 'Drag and Drop" like the Publisher.
If you have a good sugestion?
I must say: The Publisher is good for me, only a vew shortcommings.
I have searched on the net, but no luck,

Karel

 

[Odysseus]

I am willing to buy other software, but they told me here there is only Mac
software adviced and no 'Drag and Drop" like the Publisher.

I think you've been misinformed. Most, if not all, of the major
Macintosh layout applications are also available for Windows, and have
been for years. OTOH Corel Ventura, for example, is Windows-only.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "no drag and drop" -- could you give
an example of how you use it? It's true that professional-quality
programs will tend to be less accommodating of 'quick & dirty' methods
like Microsoft OLE, but there's usually a compensatory payoff in terms
of improved reliability.

 

[Jeff Daghir]

Well, the traditional favorite of professional graphic designers is Quark
Express. It is available for both Mac and Windows. www.quark.com

But my personal favorite (and rapidly becoming the favorite of many other
design professionals) is Adobe InDesign. Very powerful and tightly
integrates with Adobe Photoshop and Adobe Illustrator (to create the triple
crown of desktop publishing). Also available for both Windows & Mac.
www.adobe.com

Corel Draw is also a strong program, although not nearly as popular as Quark
or InDesign. It is however much less expensive than Quark or InDesign, and
it does include both an image editor a good-sized collection of fonts and
clip-art. For Windows only I think. www.corel.com

Then there is Scribus which has a small but enthusiastic user base. I've
never used it, but I've heard a few good things about it. It's an open
source software project so the price is right, but it's available only for
Linux. www.scribus.org.uk

The big difference between the above programs and Microsoft Publisher is
that Publisher relies on Windows to generate PostScript, while the other
programs all generate their own PostScript. I believe the Windows printer
APIs were written with only RGB in mind, so getting good clean CMYK or spot
color PostScript from the Windows printer driver is difficult at best.

If you have a printer you frequently work with, ask them what layout
application they recommend. Using something that they can easily accept and
work with generally reduces headaches for everyone.

--

Jeff Daghir
MPS Printing, Inc.
The Ink & Paper People!
Madison, IN



Karel said:

 

[Karel Van der peijl]

Thank you,

These tips are helpfull.
I will download some of those and see what I can use.
Quark is what the printer used, but I did not know they are also available
for windows,

Karel