Converting Page to Subpage -- Patrick!

[Rebecca]

This has been discussed before, but Kathy J's explanation is virtually
incomprehensible, so I am asking other ON experts, namely Patrick, to offer a
better explanation. As also discussed before, ON 2007's "tree" is extremely
cumbersome and counterintuitive (the collapsing, expanding, and navigation
should work like Ultra Recall's 2.0 -- hint). If we keep pestering the ON
2007 team to improve on this, well, maybe eventually.

In simply terms and step by step (please avoid Kathy J's P1s and P2s), how
do I convert a PAGE to a subpage in ON 2007?

 

[Patrick Schmid]

Hi Rebecca,

If you need further explanation on a topic, it would be very helpful if
you replied to a post that was unclear instead of starting a new thread.
I can't find Kathy's message and hence don't know which points 1 and 2
you are even referring to. Please post a reply to the message in
question.

I honestly don't see anything that is cumbersome or counterintuitive
with ON 2007's navigational structure. I remember there was some kind of
discussion on it, but quite honestly I didn't follow it much, as it
assumed that I know how other programs (e.g. Ultra Recall) work. I
don't. If you'd like to start another discussion on this topic, then a
thorough explanation why you think ON 2007 is cumbersome and
counterintuitive and how you'd like it to be improved would be helpful
as the first post in a new thread.

Patrick Schmid

 

[Rebecca]

Hi, Patrick.

The discussion was way back in 2005, so I was assuming it referred to ON
2003 (which I don't have), and not the ON 2007 beta (which I do). If you did
a search "subpage" you would see Kathy's "explanation" (which does not seem
to work in 2007, but it could be because I couldn't grasp her explanation).

So it would still be helpful if you explained how a page can be changed into
a subpage in ON 2007.

 

[Patrick Schmid]

Hi Rebecca,

Ok. Found it. I searched in my local archive which goes only 30 days
back...

Both methods explained in this thread still work in 2007 albeit a bit
different.
I'll use an example of a page titled "Overview" and a second page titled
"United States". Our goal is to make the US page a subpage of Overview.
Let me start with the one Kathy explained:
1) This one only works when Overview already has a subpage. If it
doesn't, click on the Overview page tab, and add a new subpage to it.
Then click on United States and drag it right below the new subpage. It
should now be converted to a subpage. To revert the US back to a page,
drag it above the Overview page (meaning right below a page).

The other one was explained by Benoit:
2) Make sure that the Overview page is immediately followed by the US
page. Then hold shift down and click both page tabs. When both are
selected, right-click on either one and select group pages. To revert,
right-click the US subpage and select ungroup pages.

Patrick Schmid

 

[Rainald Taesler]

Rebecca shared these words of wisdom:

The discussion was way back in 2005, so I was assuming it
referred to ON 2003 (which I don't have), and not the ON 2007
beta (which I do). If you did a search "subpage" you would see
Kathy's "explanation" (which does not seem to work in 2007, but
it could be because I couldn't grasp her explanation).

I'm sorry, but I am unable to follow.
The earliest posting still available on MS' newsserver dates back only
May 27, 2006.

I can only join Patrick who says:

I'm really unable to make even an educted guess on which problems you
might have.

So it would still be helpful if you explained how a page can be
changed into a subpage in ON 2007.

If it's just plain "downgrading" of a page to a subpage in the same
section under ON 2007, this is (almost) as easy as easy could be:

1.) In case the page for which the page ion question alreday has a
subpage:
Just drag the page in question there. Liitle arrows will indicate
whether it will become a page or a subpage.

2.) Otherwise:
a) In the uper right corner click on the down-arrow next to "New
page";
b) from the drop-down list select "New subpage" and create a new
(temporary) subpage as a placeholder;
c) drag this new subpage to the position where you want to see the
page in question (the page which shall be "converted");
d) drag the page in question to the wanted position;
e) you may deleted the new blank subpage thereafter (if you do not
need in anymore).

Hope this might be clear enouigh.
If not, pls be so kind as to explain a bit more what you want to do
and why it won't work for your.
Pls keep in mind that hardly any of the regulars in here has taken
classes on "Clairvoyance" <bg,d&rf>.

Rainald

 

[Patrick Schmid]

You can go further back using Google Groups (groups.google.com).

Patrick Schmid

 

[Rebecca]

Once again, thanks, Patrick -- you explained an ON 2007 feature the way it is
supposed to be explained -- clear and to the point; hence no need for
followup posts asking for clarification or further details.

 

[Rebecca]

And where does the need for clairvoyance come in? I asked a simple
question: how a page could be changed into a subpage. I'm happy that for you
it's almost as easy as it could be, but it is not so for many people like
myself who have gotten used to the way AskSam, UltraRecall, Evernote, and
some of the others handle tree creation and navigation, and where the
procedures are far more intuitive.

ON 2007 has many outstanding features -- and I am in the process of
importing all my files into ON from the abovementioned programs, but this is
one area where ON needs some improvement, as I'm sure the programmers are
well aware of.

 

[Rainald Taesler]

Patrick Schmid shared these words of wisdom:

You can go further back using Google Groups (groups.google.com).

Thanks for the hint.

Still I think that someone who asks on his/her problem would better
give a comprehensive description instead of giving others the job to
search for things which are not present.
In so far I partly share Grant's usual rants "... can't you check
things yourself".

Rainald

 

[Rainald Taesler]

Rebecca shared these words of wisdom:

And where does the need for clairvoyance come in?

Clairvoyance simply comes in when someone asks ask a questions and
a) speaks of things like
|| ON 2007's "tree" is extremely cumbersome and counterintuitive (the
collapsing, expanding, and navigation should work like Ultra Recall's
2.0 -- hint).||
without explaining what the problem might be that *he/she* has;

b) refers to older discussions without properly quoting and without
saying what and where, like.
|| This has been discussed before, but Kathy J's explanation is
virtually
incomprehensible,||
and on asking back the only explanation is something like
|| ..The discussion was way back in 2005 ..||

I do not think that it would be *others'* task to search what a poster
might easily say - the more as he/she is the only one knowing what
he/she is referring to.

I asked a simple question: how a page could be changed into a
subpage.

And I did my best to give you a simple step-by-step recipe, didn't I?
It's a bit different from what Patrick showed (whose reply I had seen
only after having posted mine).

Not a simple "Thank you" for having done so, nor any other kind of
feedback.

I'm happy that for you it's almost as easy as it could be, but
it is not so for many people like myself who have gotten used to
the way AskSam, UltraRecall, Evernote, and some of the others
handle tree creation and navigation, and where the procedures
are far more intuitive.

I do not know UltraRecall and Evernote.
Different with askSam, however.
I've been using askSam since the early DOS days and the main piece of
my work (databases on law related to tourism) is based on askSam and
the respective website ( www.hera.hs-heilbronn.de ) is working with
the askSam Webpublisher.

This said: After all them years I would yet have to come across

ON 2007 has many outstanding features -- and I am in the process
of importing all my files into ON from the abovementioned
programs, but this is one area where ON needs some improvement,
as I'm sure the programmers are well aware of.

Sorry, I still can not see what you have in mind so far.
What would you like to see "improved"?
askSam's fantastic search engine implemented in OneNote?
A cow can't fly (as simple as that).

Or askSam's way of storing information in "documents" with no "section
groups" and sections" and subpages?
Navigation in askSam (page [document] after page)?
Hyperlinking with bookmarks?
Or what?

If you expect that the developres should add improvement, IMO it would
be necessary to provide a bit more details on what might be improved
where from your point of view.

In so far I can only repeat the final sentence of my last psoting:
"Pls keep in mind that hardly any of the regulars in here has taken
classes on Clairvoyance" <bg,d&rf>"

Rainald

 

[Patrick Schmid]

Yup. I've the same feeling, hence my first post.

Patrick Schmid

 

[Rainald Taesler]

Patrick Schmid shared these words of wisdom:

Yup. I've the same feeling, hence my first post.

.... which inspired me for mine <g> (not having seen your second when
writing/posting).

Rainald

 

[Rebecca]

Thanks for all your help and advice, Patrick and Rainald. You both are what
makes these forums worth visiting in time of need.

Rebecca shared these words of wisdom:

And where does the need for clairvoyance come in?

Clairvoyance simply comes in when someone asks ask a questions and
a) speaks of things like
|| ON 2007's "tree" is extremely cumbersome and counterintuitive (the
collapsing, expanding, and navigation should work like Ultra Recall's
2.0 -- hint).||
without explaining what the problem might be that *he/she* has;

b) refers to older discussions without properly quoting and without
saying what and where, like.
|| This has been discussed before, but Kathy J's explanation is
virtually
incomprehensible,||
and on asking back the only explanation is something like
|| ..The discussion was way back in 2005 ..||

I do not think that it would be *others'* task to search what a poster
might easily say - the more as he/she is the only one knowing what
he/she is referring to.

I asked a simple question: how a page could be changed into a
subpage.

And I did my best to give you a simple step-by-step recipe, didn't I?
It's a bit different from what Patrick showed (whose reply I had seen
only after having posted mine).

Not a simple "Thank you" for having done so, nor any other kind of
feedback.

I'm happy that for you it's almost as easy as it could be, but
it is not so for many people like myself who have gotten used to
the way AskSam, UltraRecall, Evernote, and some of the others
handle tree creation and navigation, and where the procedures
are far more intuitive.

I do not know UltraRecall and Evernote.
Different with askSam, however.
I've been using askSam since the early DOS days and the main piece of
my work (databases on law related to tourism) is based on askSam and
the respective website ( www.hera.hs-heilbronn.de ) is working with
the askSam Webpublisher.

This said: After all them years I would yet have to come across

ON 2007 has many outstanding features -- and I am in the process
of importing all my files into ON from the abovementioned
programs, but this is one area where ON needs some improvement,
as I'm sure the programmers are well aware of.

Sorry, I still can not see what you have in mind so far.
What would you like to see "improved"?
askSam's fantastic search engine implemented in OneNote?
A cow can't fly (as simple as that).

Or askSam's way of storing information in "documents" with no "section
groups" and sections" and subpages?
Navigation in askSam (page [document] after page)?
Hyperlinking with bookmarks?
Or what?

If you expect that the developres should add improvement, IMO it would
be necessary to provide a bit more details on what might be improved
where from your point of view.

In so far I can only repeat the final sentence of my last psoting:
"Pls keep in mind that hardly any of the regulars in here has taken
classes on Clairvoyance" <bg,d&rf>"

Rainald