Copyrights costing

[George]

Dear friends, I have the following issue:

I am in the process of developing an access database for a customer and he
wants to present it to his superiors as his own job (he wants to have the
copyright of the database). This means that he may get a promotion or a
salary increase. Also, perhaps the same database may be used in 100 or even
more branches of his company (each one used locally in each branch).

Lets say if I will charge him for the development 100 euros what will be the
copyright charges?

Any one came with this across?

Any help will be highly apreciated.

Sorry if this is a stupid question but I need some ideas.

Thanking you in advance,

GeorgeCY

 

[Larry Daugherty]

Copyright issues have nothing to do with Access.

HTH

 

[Arvin Meyer [MVP]]

You'd have to be very specific which parts of the app you are even able to
copyright. For instance, you cannot copyright the wizard code. You cannot
copyright any code which you have gotten, or adapted from other sources.

In all my years as a developer, I have never sold a copyright, although I
have granted exclusive use to an app.

 

[Wayne-I-M]

Sounds "V" strange

I am in the process of developing an access database for a customer and he
wants to present it to his superiors as his own job

How will you "copyright" an MS programme - don't think you can. I will bet
that anything you write has already been written by someone esle - search the
MVP site for samples of almost everything - and links to everything else.

This means that he may get a promotion or a
salary increase.

I think you need to sit down and talk this over with the person you are
working for.

Also if he is using his compnay funds to pay you - "the company" not him
will own anything bought with this money (well in most countries anyway)

 

[George]

Thanks all for your replies,

Well, he will pay me to create the tables, relationships, queries, forms,
reports, coding etc but he needs to be the owner (copyright) of this database.

He explain to me the business/user requirements and I will decide about
tables and relationships.

He wants to be able later on to create any further things in the database.

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[Larry Linson]

Copyright laws vary by jurisdiction, though there are some general
provisions that most nations have agreed to. But, I think you did not fully
understand what Arvin wrote: no matter that your client wants to own
copyright to everything, you cannot sell him copyright to everything -- much
of what is in that application already is copyrighted by someone else (e.g.,
code from the Wizards is copyrighted by Microsoft, but they have given
permission for users of their software to use it, but NOT to SELL the
copyright).

This is not a source of accurate information about legal issues, especially
legal issues as complex as patent, copyright, and intellectual property
rights. You need to consult with an attorney who specializes in those
areas.

In the US, you could just sign a contract assigning such rights as you own
in the software to another person -- you'd still need an attorney to be sure
that the agreement was legal. In your jurisdiction, we wouldn't know the
answer to your question... it may be "nothing" as is basic copyright in the
US, or there may be a charge.

Just as a practical matter, it seems that you are selling for a pittance
something worth significantly more to the purchaser. But the best advice any
of us can give you is "consult with an attorney in the jurisdiction in which
you live / do business".

I know that neither Arvin nor I are attorneys, and that neither of us
engages in the illegal practice of law. I would guess that anyone who IS an
attorney would simply not respond in this thread, as it might legally
obligate them as having provided you with legal advice for which they could
be held responsible. This is simply not the place for you to get an answer
to your questions.

Larry Linson
Microsoft Office Access MVP

Larry Linson
Microsoft Office Access MVP

 

[Tony Toews [MVP]]

How will you "copyright" an MS programme - don't think you can. I will bet
that anything you write has already been written by someone esle - search the
MVP site for samples of almost everything - and links to everything else.

My copyright lawyer in Canada has stated that yes I can copyright
software I have written. Access makes no difference.

Also if he is using his compnay funds to pay you - "the company" not him
will own anything bought with this money (well in most countries anyway)

The person paying you owns the right to use the software and the
source code if provided but does not own the copyright. Unless you
are an employee. While this is generally true in many counties this
may vary in your legal jurisdiction.

Tony
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[Wayne-I-M]

Tomi - Hhhhhmmmmmm - not sure about that.

But as you say - so if anyone using this code could send me some money that
would be greate thanks.

Here is my code (I did not use the wizard to create this - nor did I copy
the code, although it may have been used before)

Private Sub WaynesButton_Click()
DoCmd.Close
End Sub

Of course I am not attempting to copyright the DoCmd section or the End Sub
or even the Private sub to differentitate it from a Public Sub but the code I
would like your money for is the "combination" of the Button Name following
by the operation code which is original thought and so I want to copyright it.

Thank you

You may send your money to me @ Wayne-I-M, England, UK. - or just send cream
cakes, which I would prefer

The person paying you owns the right to use the software and the
source code if provided but does not own the copyright. Unless you
are an employee.

I do not understand that bit sorry I am not a law person



--
Wayne
Manchester, England.

 

[Arvin Meyer [MVP]]

Here is my code (I did not use the wizard to create this - nor did I copy
the code, although it may have been used before)

Private Sub WaynesButton_Click()
DoCmd.Close
End Sub

If we ever create a button named WaynesButton, and use it to close an
object, you can bet you'll get payment, even though you forgot to put a
copyright © on it.

Don't bet very much, however (g, d, & r)

 

[Wayne-I-M]

Thank you Arvin

I have now completly re-written me new code - with your help

Private Sub WaynesButton_Click()
'©'
DoCmd.Close
End Sub



I shall award you a 50% percent share in my cream cake - if/when it arrives.



--
Wayne
Manchester, England.

 

[George]

Thank you all.


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[deyana]

HI,

I want to ask something else about copyright and databases.

I have developed an user application by MS Visual Studio. It is working with
a large database (with many tables and ralations). This database is made by
MS Access from me. I think I am the author and I have copyrights on both -
application and database and nobody without my expressly agreement can not
use them, isn't it?

Regards,
Deyana