Custom Dictionary refuses Non-Roman characters

[wordpoor]

Mac OX & Word 2004 (Version 11)

I work with Icelandic characters, and word '04 refuses to add the þ,
Þ, or ð, Ð, no matter how I set the custom Dictionary preferences.

I have created a new C. Dictionary.
I have selected 'none' under languages.
I have selected 'Icelandic' under languages.
I have opened and manually typed in the offending 'Non-Roman'
characters, and words containing them.

And each time I do; Word's spell checker annoys me with this dialogue
box:

"The word was not added to, ... . The word you want to add might
contain non-Roman characters, or the dictionary might be full."

And then it sets to chasing its tail in a circle, refusing to even
ignore the above Non-Roman' characters, continually checking and
rechecking, and re-refusing.

 

[John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]]

Are you sure you have applied all of the updates available?

There was a bug in that the custom dictionary would not accept Unicode
characters even though in Word 2004 they enabled full Unicode support.

That was fixed with a service pack, which became available at different
times for each language.

Mac OX & Word 2004 (Version 11)

I work with Icelandic characters, and word '04 refuses to add the ©­,
¨­, or ©£, ¨¢, no matter how I set the custom Dictionary preferences.

I have created a new C. Dictionary.
I have selected 'none' under languages.
I have selected 'Icelandic' under languages.
I have opened and manually typed in the offending 'Non-Roman'
characters, and words containing them.

And each time I do; Word's spell checker annoys me with this dialogue
box:

"The word was not added to, ... . The word you want to add might
contain non-Roman characters, or the dictionary might be full."

And then it sets to chasing its tail in a circle, refusing to even
ignore the above Non-Roman' characters, continually checking and
rechecking, and re-refusing.

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Technical Writer.
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410

 

[wordpoor]

John;

Thanks for your speedy reply. I downloaded updates 11.3.0 & 11.3.2
from Microsoft's website & installed them. Word still refuses to add
the ¨­, ©­, ¨¢. or ©£ characters to either of my "Custom Dictionaries",
or for that matter; actually spell check most of my docs. I have
intentionally entered gibberish into a document & it assures me that
the document has already been spell checked, or returns me a message
about "text set to 'no proofing' was skipped", depending on the
particular document.

Applying the "text set to 'no proofing' was skipped" instructions to
Edit/Replace/Format/Language/Choose, are also proving equally
unsatisfying.
I am using Mac's U.S. extended keyboard, & am experiencing the
same ailment using its Icelandic keyboard.

 

[Daiya Mitchell]

If Word isn't spellchecking at all, it sounds like your language
formatting may not be set up correctly. See if anything here helps,
especially under #1.
http://word.mvps.org/mac/SpellCheck.html

 

[wordpoor]

If Word isn't spellchecking at all, it sounds like your language
formatting may not be set up correctly. See if anything here helps,
especially under #1.
http://word.mvps.org/mac/SpellCheck.html

Daiya;

Thank you for your kind reply. I have instituted the suggestions on
your link page, & my Micro headache remains, as ever, fixed and
unmoving as the pole star.
Resetting the beast to its default conditions only increases
(substantially) the intrusive nature of its malevolent delusions of
omnipotence.
I fear that this may be, as John said, an ongoing failure on the part
of Word to accept Unicode characters: one which their update packages
have failed to resolve.
wordpoor

 

[John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]]

Where did you get the Icelandic main dictionary from?

The way this works, you have to have a "MAIN" dictionary installed for the
language you want to check.

Word 2004 will allow you to mark text as being in any language recognised by
Microsoft, including Icelandic. However, when you do this, unless you have
a main and custom dictionary both installed for the marked language, the
effect would be the same as setting the text to "No proofing" -- spelling,
including add to dictionary, is disabled.

I didn't know that Microsoft offered Icelandic proofing tools. I have the
multi-lingual version installed here and I do not have an Icelandic
dictionary.

Could this be your problem, or do you have an Icelandic version?

Cheers

If Word isn't spellchecking at all, it sounds like your language
formatting may not be set up correctly. See if anything here helps,
especially under #1.
http://word.mvps.org/mac/SpellCheck.html

Daiya;

Thank you for your kind reply. I have instituted the suggestions on
your link page, & my Micro headache remains, as ever, fixed and
unmoving as the pole star.
Resetting the beast to its default conditions only increases
(substantially) the intrusive nature of its malevolent delusions of
omnipotence.
I fear that this may be, as John said, an ongoing failure on the part
of Word to accept Unicode characters: one which their update packages
have failed to resolve.
wordpoor

John;

Thanks for your speedy reply. I downloaded updates 11.3.0 & 11.3.2
from Microsoft's website & installed them. Word still refuses to add
the ¨­, ©­, ¨¢. or ©£ characters to either of my "Custom Dictionaries",
or for that matter; actually spell check most of my docs. I have
intentionally entered gibberish into a document & it assures me that
the document has already been spell checked, or returns me a message
about "text set to 'no proofing' was skipped", depending on the
particular document.

Applying the "text set to 'no proofing' was skipped" instructions to
Edit/Replace/Format/Language/Choose, are also proving equally
unsatisfying.
I am using Mac's U.S. extended keyboard, & am experiencing the
same ailment using its Icelandic keyboard.


John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh] wrote:

Are you sure you have applied all of the updates available?

There was a bug in that the custom dictionary would not accept Unicode
characters even though in Word 2004 they enabled full Unicode support.

That was fixed with a service pack, which became available at different
times for each language.


On 3/1/07 3:36 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "wordpoor"


Mac OX & Word 2004 (Version 11)

I work with Icelandic characters, and word '04 refuses to add the ©­,
¨­, or ©£, ¨¢, no matter how I set the custom Dictionary preferences.

I have created a new C. Dictionary.
I have selected 'none' under languages.
I have selected 'Icelandic' under languages.
I have opened and manually typed in the offending 'Non-Roman'
characters, and words containing them.

And each time I do; Word's spell checker annoys me with this dialogue
box:

"The word was not added to, ... . The word you want to add might
contain non-Roman characters, or the dictionary might be full."

And then it sets to chasing its tail in a circle, refusing to even
ignore the above Non-Roman' characters, continually checking and
rechecking, and re-refusing.


--

Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant
Technical Writer.
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410

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Technical Writer.
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410

 

[wordpoor]

Perhaps that is the problem. I work with Medieval Icelandic/Norse. I
don't need Word to spell check my Non Roman entries. If Word can't
add Non Roman characters to a user dictionary, then the fault is mine
in asking it to perform a function that AppleWorks 6.2.2 performed
without needing an Icelandic Dictionary.
The Non-Roman characters [thorn, eth, ash, and variously accented
vowels] can be added into docs from Mac's character palette under the
flag icon in the top right corner, but my desire is for Word to simply
add a tiny handful of them into my own user dictionary, and quit
interrupting me every time its spell checker encounters one.

http://www.apple.is./islenska/ (Apple support Iceland) offers an
'Icelandicizing your Mac' package.

Nýjasta útgáfan fyrir Mac OS X 10.4.5 til 10.4.8:
Sækja íslenskar viðbætur 10.4.5-10.4.7 (frá 2. október 2006 -
14,9MB
(Latest version for Mac OS X 10.4.5 to 10.4.8:
Retrieve lcelandic insert 10.4.5-10.4.7 ( of 2. October 2006 14,9MB)

The above Icelandic Extras 10.4.7 pkg refuses to install. Apple
Iceland has written me to just "Use Microsoft Office 2004 and OSX and
you'll be fine."
I have re-contacted apple.is. & am awaiting their reply regarding the
pkgs refusal to install.

Again, thanks for your help & Cheers back to you.

Where did you get the Icelandic main dictionary from?

The way this works, you have to have a "MAIN" dictionary installed for the
language you want to check.

Word 2004 will allow you to mark text as being in any language recognisedby
Microsoft, including Icelandic. However, when you do this, unless you have
a main and custom dictionary both installed for the marked language, the
effect would be the same as setting the text to "No proofing" -- spelling,
including add to dictionary, is disabled.

I didn't know that Microsoft offered Icelandic proofing tools. I have the
multi-lingual version installed here and I do not have an Icelandic
dictionary.

Could this be your problem, or do you have an Icelandic version?

Cheers

If Word isn't spellchecking at all, it sounds like your language
formatting may not be set up correctly. See if anything here helps,
especially under #1.
http://word.mvps.org/mac/SpellCheck.html

Daiya;

Thank you for your kind reply. I have instituted the suggestions on
your link page, & my Micro headache remains, as ever, fixed and
unmoving as the pole star.
Resetting the beast to its default conditions only increases
(substantially) the intrusive nature of its malevolent delusions of
omnipotence.
I fear that this may be, as John said, an ongoing failure on the part
of Word to accept Unicode characters: one which their update packages
have failed to resolve.
wordpoor

wordpoor wrote:
John;

Thanks for your speedy reply. I downloaded updates 11.3.0 & 11.3.2
from Microsoft's website & installed them. Word still refuses to add
the Þ, þ, Ð. or ð characters to either of my "Custom Dictionaries",
or for that matter; actually spell check most of my docs. I have
intentionally entered gibberish into a document & it assures me that
the document has already been spell checked, or returns me a message
about "text set to 'no proofing' was skipped", depending on the
particular document.

Applying the "text set to 'no proofing' was skipped" instructions to
Edit/Replace/Format/Language/Choose, are also proving equally
unsatisfying.
I am using Mac's U.S. extended keyboard, & am experiencing the
same ailment using its Icelandic keyboard.


John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh] wrote:

Are you sure you have applied all of the updates available?

There was a bug in that the custom dictionary would not accept Unicode
characters even though in Word 2004 they enabled full Unicode support.

That was fixed with a service pack, which became available at different
times for each language.


On 3/1/07 3:36 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "wordpoor"


Mac OX & Word 2004 (Version 11)

I work with Icelandic characters, and word '04 refuses to add the þ,
Þ, or ð, Ð, no matter how I set the custom Dictionary preferences.

I have created a new C. Dictionary.
I have selected 'none' under languages.
I have selected 'Icelandic' under languages.
I have opened and manually typed in the offending 'Non-Roman'
characters, and words containing them.

And each time I do; Word's spell checker annoys me with this dialogue
box:

"The word was not added to, ... . The word you want to add might
contain non-Roman characters, or the dictionary might be full."

And then it sets to chasing its tail in a circle, refusing to even
ignore the above Non-Roman' characters, continually checking and
rechecking, and re-refusing.


--

Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do notemail
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant
Technical Writer.
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410

--

Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant
Technical Writer.
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410

 

[Daiya Mitchell]

Can you say more about *how* you are working with medieval
Icelandic/Norse? I think if we understood what your work looks like, we
might be able to offer better advice. Also, can you explain how you are
expecting Word to work? I think there may be some misunderstanding
there. It is an unfortunate but true fact that Word does force you to
work "its way" a bit--let's not have a philosophical debate about the
proper relationship of technology to humans, let's just see if we can
work out a compromise that suits you and makes your life easier, instead
of having you fighting Word all the way.

I am picturing a mostly English text with lots of Icelandic words
sprinkled through it, some full paragraph quotations. Is that correct?
I think the best way to handle that would be to create an Icelandic
character style that is set to Language Do Not Check Spelling and
Grammar, and format all the medieval icelandic/norse in that character
style (you can set up a keyboard shortcut to apply the style as you
type, and Find and Replace will probably let you do it retroactively).
Then Word should completely ignore all of your Icelandic, and it should
spellcheck your English properly. (words that you use frequently can be
quickly entered in Icelandic with the proper formatting via AutoCorrect
or AutoText.)

Why are the individual characters an issue? I don't think Word works
that way, the custom dictionary only accepts full words, as far as I
know. So I wouldn't expect adding individual characters to the custom
dictionary to do anything. Are you using individual characters to stand
alone in the text?

Daiya

PS. If Word is really driving you crazy and we can't work out a
compromise here, AppleWorks 6 does run on OS X (but seems to be dead in
development) and Mellel might work for you, as it is designed for
academics and for multi-lingual support, especially non-Roman right to
left languages. But I think we can get a compromise.

PPS. Formatting all your Icelandic words in an Icelandic style would
also let you do things like quickly create a list of all Icelandic words
used in the text, more easily find each one to create a separate
Icelandic index, etc. Not sure what other uses there might be.

Perhaps that is the problem. I work with Medieval Icelandic/Norse. I
don't need Word to spell check my Non Roman entries. If Word can't
add Non Roman characters to a user dictionary, then the fault is mine
in asking it to perform a function that AppleWorks 6.2.2 performed
without needing an Icelandic Dictionary.
The Non-Roman characters [thorn, eth, ash, and variously accented
vowels] can be added into docs from Mac's character palette under the
flag icon in the top right corner, but my desire is for Word to simply
add a tiny handful of them into my own user dictionary, and quit
interrupting me every time its spell checker encounters one.

http://www.apple.is./islenska/ (Apple support Iceland) offers an
'Icelandicizing your Mac' package.

Nýjasta útgáfan fyrir Mac OS X 10.4.5 til 10.4.8:
Sækja íslenskar viðbætur 10.4.5-10.4.7 (frá 2. október 2006 -
14,9MB
(Latest version for Mac OS X 10.4.5 to 10.4.8:
Retrieve lcelandic insert 10.4.5-10.4.7 ( of 2. October 2006 14,9MB)

The above Icelandic Extras 10.4.7 pkg refuses to install. Apple
Iceland has written me to just "Use Microsoft Office 2004 and OSX and
you'll be fine."
I have re-contacted apple.is. & am awaiting their reply regarding the
pkgs refusal to install.

Again, thanks for your help & Cheers back to you.

Where did you get the Icelandic main dictionary from?

The way this works, you have to have a "MAIN" dictionary installed for the
language you want to check.

Word 2004 will allow you to mark text as being in any language recognised by
Microsoft, including Icelandic. However, when you do this, unless you have
a main and custom dictionary both installed for the marked language, the
effect would be the same as setting the text to "No proofing" -- spelling,
including add to dictionary, is disabled.

I didn't know that Microsoft offered Icelandic proofing tools. I have the
multi-lingual version installed here and I do not have an Icelandic
dictionary.

Could this be your problem, or do you have an Icelandic version?

Cheers

Daiya Mitchell wrote:

If Word isn't spellchecking at all, it sounds like your language
formatting may not be set up correctly. See if anything here helps,
especially under #1.
http://word.mvps.org/mac/SpellCheck.html

Daiya;

Thank you for your kind reply. I have instituted the suggestions on
your link page, & my Micro headache remains, as ever, fixed and
unmoving as the pole star.
Resetting the beast to its default conditions only increases
(substantially) the intrusive nature of its malevolent delusions of
omnipotence.
I fear that this may be, as John said, an ongoing failure on the part
of Word to accept Unicode characters: one which their update packages
have failed to resolve.
wordpoor

wordpoor wrote:

John;

Thanks for your speedy reply. I downloaded updates 11.3.0 & 11.3.2
from Microsoft's website & installed them. Word still refuses to add
the Þ, þ, Ð. or ð characters to either of my "Custom Dictionaries",
or for that matter; actually spell check most of my docs. I have
intentionally entered gibberish into a document & it assures me that
the document has already been spell checked, or returns me a message
about "text set to 'no proofing' was skipped", depending on the
particular document.

Applying the "text set to 'no proofing' was skipped" instructions to
Edit/Replace/Format/Language/Choose, are also proving equally
unsatisfying.
I am using Mac's U.S. extended keyboard, & am experiencing the
same ailment using its Icelandic keyboard.


John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh] wrote:


Are you sure you have applied all of the updates available?

There was a bug in that the custom dictionary would not accept Unicode
characters even though in Word 2004 they enabled full Unicode support.

That was fixed with a service pack, which became available at different
times for each language.


On 3/1/07 3:36 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "wordpoor"



Mac OX & Word 2004 (Version 11)

I work with Icelandic characters, and word '04 refuses to add the þ,
Þ, or ð, Ð, no matter how I set the custom Dictionary preferences.

I have created a new C. Dictionary.
I have selected 'none' under languages.
I have selected 'Icelandic' under languages.
I have opened and manually typed in the offending 'Non-Roman'
characters, and words containing them.

And each time I do; Word's spell checker annoys me with this dialogue
box:

"The word was not added to, ... . The word you want to add might
contain non-Roman characters, or the dictionary might be full."

And then it sets to chasing its tail in a circle, refusing to even
ignore the above Non-Roman' characters, continually checking and
rechecking, and re-refusing.



--

Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant
Technical Writer.
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410

--

Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant
Technical Writer.
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410