Customer follow-up/CRM - your methods?

M

MacGrrl

I just figured out how to use Entourage as a phone log . ( See the
"creative thinkers' thread).

Does anyone out there use Entourage in this way? CRM? To keep track
of
customer followup? What is your workflow? Your methods? What has
been most helpful to you in keeping track of customers and staying
organized/ Tips and tricks? Words of wisdom? Advice for the
organizationally challenged?
 
I

Ivar Klaas

I just figured out how to use Entourage as a phone log . ( See the
"creative thinkers' thread).

Does anyone out there use Entourage in this way? CRM? To keep track
of
customer followup? What is your workflow? Your methods? What has
been most helpful to you in keeping track of customers and staying
organized/ Tips and tricks? Words of wisdom? Advice for the
organizationally challenged?
Hi,

I have just returned to Entourage after a leap of absence and would truly
like to hear from you how you use it for your projects and as a crm. I would
otherwise use Mail / iCal / Addressbook / Omniplan but to have 4 programs
open and not truly linkable is too much. So I decided to give Entourage
another chance.


However: The tons of "try rebuild" advice and the fact that it's all from MS
has me worried, how do you see this?

Well, as Diane said: Share!

Kind regards,

Ivar
 
M

MacGrrl

Well, here's a link to the "creative thinkers" thread where the
details of how to use it as a phone log are discussed. It's kind of a
creative workaround.
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...urage/browse_thread/thread/c096af1b171cecfc/#

Actually I've never used it as a CRM - I'm trying to figure out how to
put together a system. It may be that it doesn't work as a CRM - time
will tell. But I' lI start tomorrow trying to put together a contact
system.

Welcome creative takes on this from anyone! How do you guys manage
your customer contact and follow up ?

I guess I"ll start by importing in a call list - I get these numbers
from the yellow pages and format them into a spreadsheet, then export
them to a format that Entourage can read. At least that was how I did
it with Outlook.

Create a project, 'marketing calls." Then create some kind of system -
like the aforementioned thread with the phone log idea - that allows
me to sort them for followup. Maybe categorize the ones that aren't
potentials, in their own category so at least the information is in
there so that we talked, but they don't come up in the view. Maybe
take away the project association and just give them the category,
'not interested' etc.

Then leave the ones that have to be followed up on with their own
categories - appointment, call back, send info, etc. If they become
customers I could categorize them as that. That way in contacts view
in the project, I can sort by that field in the contacts view and see
right away that all the red ones are appts, all the orange are
callbacks, etc. If I keep a phone log by using notes linked to the
contact, it can be accessed by clicking on the 'links' icon in that
view - not as good as seeing it immediately but it'll do. The
'notes' field in the contact shows up in that view so if it were
critical to see a note right away I could just enter it in that field.
I also used one of the custom views to type in call notes - "out of
office until Friday," etc and then added that field to the view so
that it was visible in contacts view.

I guess I could just set reminders to call people back or write the
time in the custom call notes field. It would be so much easier if
Entourage would include a phone log view with customizable colored
contact flags in the future.
BUt it seems like it's at least possible to do a workaround.

It's all sort of thinking out loud at this point so I'll dig in there
and see how the thing actually works in practice.

At this point I think the workflow would be - import in contacts >
make calls to find potentials > write call notes in a linked note,
with the subject line summary that's easy to reference like "he said
send brochures", then more detailed info inside the note > categorize
him for followup > set a reminder although I'll have to see how easy
it is to to that from contacts > write call notes like "got voice
mail" in the custom field. I f he becomes a customer, put him in a
'customer' category as well ----? I'll have to see how much text is
allowed in the custom fields but maybe I could create one also for
final followup status like, "mailed brochures, close file."

I tried doing something similar to this in Outlook but always got
overwhelmed and cluttered with it. Hopefully keeping a super-simple
system in Entourage will work a little better.
 
M

MacGrrl

What's the 'try rebuild" issue?


Hi,

I have just returned to Entourage after a leap of absence and would truly
like to hear from you how you use it for your projects and as a crm. I would
otherwise use Mail / iCal / Addressbook / Omniplan but to have 4 programs
open and not truly linkable is too much. So I decided to give Entourage
another chance.

However: The tons of "try rebuild" advice and the fact that it's all from MS
has me worried, how do you see this?

Well, as Diane said: Share!

Kind regards,

Ivar
 
M

MacGrrl

I'll have to check the help files and it's probably not possible, but
wouldn't it be great if you could create custom pulldown fields? Oh
well - categories will probably work just as well.
 
D

Diane Ross

I guess I"ll start by importing in a call list

To help with your phone needs check out these AppleScripts (Shareware):

Jon's Phone Tool 3.6
<http://scriptbuilders.net/files/jonsphonetool3.6.html>

Jon's Phone Tool (JPT) uses a Bluetooth mobile phone, your Mac's modem, or
speakers to dial the phone. JPT can also make calls via Vonage, CallVantage,
Skype, Ovolab Phlink, Parliant's PhoneValet, an Asterisk PBX server,
IP-based telephony devices including Cisco IP Phones, or softphones by
CounterPath Solutions, Inc., Gizmo Project, LoudHush, Fritz!Box, ohphonx,
LoudHush, JackenIAX, and others for use with many VoIP services. You can
enter a number manually or you can use the integrated search tools to find
numbers in your Address Book, Microsoft Entourage, Now Contact, or Palm
Desktop databases. You can also search various websites and with the JPT
services and the included contextual menu, you can even select a number just
about anywhere (such as on a webpage) and instantly dial it using JPT!

JABMenu 1.2
<http://scriptbuilders.net/files/jabmenu1.2.html>

JABMenu is a convenient and intuitive way to utilize your Address Book data
through a system-wide menu. The application provides quick access to your
contacts' phone numbers, email, and postal addresses. Selecting a menu item
will trigger an action such as displaying the content in large type, copying
it to the clipboard, creating a new email, dialing the phone (accomplished
by running a customizable AppleScript), or showing an address on a map using
the Google Maps service. Phone dialing requires the use of additional
software such as Jon¹s Phone Tool.
--
Diane Ross, Microsoft Mac MVP
Entourage Help Page
<http://www.entourage.mvps.org/>
One of the top five MS Entourage resources listed on the Entourage Blog.
<http://blogs.msdn.com/entourage/>
 
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Ivar Klaas

What's the 'try rebuild" issue?
Whenever there is a problem with Entourage that can not be fixed by the
knowledge of the MVP's, the suggestion is to rebuild the db. I see these
messages so often that it is scary! I mean, how many times have you rebuild
your Outlook or your Mail? When the db corrupts, all is lost?

Ok, if the MVP's use it and are ok, we should be too, so I trust their
knowledge enough to trust Entourage but is still sounds very very
strange....

That's what I mean when I say: advice to try rebuild....

Ivar
 
M

Michel Bintener

A couple of things to keep in mind, though:

You would not be surprised to see many sick people in a hospital; in the
same way, you should not be surprised to see many people who are
experiencing problems with Entourage's database in a newsgroup dedicated to
that product.

Apple Mail does not store its messages in a monolithic database like
Entourage does, which is why it doesn't have any database problems. The
point that is being raised is a very valid one, though: storing every piece
of information inside a single database has some advantages, but it can also
be a potential source of disaster.

It is true that many people report database problems in this newsgroup; at
the same time, remember the hospital analogy I've just made. I may have been
extremely lucky, but in almost five years of intensive use, I have never
experienced any kind of database corruption. *knock wood*


Whenever there is a problem with Entourage that can not be fixed by the
knowledge of the MVP's, the suggestion is to rebuild the db. I see these
messages so often that it is scary! I mean, how many times have you rebuild
your Outlook or your Mail? When the db corrupts, all is lost?

Ok, if the MVP's use it and are ok, we should be too, so I trust their
knowledge enough to trust Entourage but is still sounds very very
strange....

--
Michel Bintener
Microsoft MVP
Office:Mac (Entourage & Word)

***Always reply to the newsgroup.***
 
M

MacGrrl

Thanks, I'll check those out!

To help with your phone needs check out these AppleScripts (Shareware):

Jon's Phone Tool 3.6
<http://scriptbuilders.net/files/jonsphonetool3.6.html>

Jon's Phone Tool (JPT) uses a Bluetooth mobile phone, your Mac's modem, or
speakers to dial the phone. JPT can also make calls via Vonage, CallVantage,
Skype, Ovolab Phlink, Parliant's PhoneValet, an Asterisk PBX server,
IP-based telephony devices including Cisco IP Phones, or softphones by
CounterPath Solutions, Inc., Gizmo Project, LoudHush, Fritz!Box, ohphonx,
LoudHush, JackenIAX, and others for use with many VoIP services. You can
enter a number manually or you can use the integrated search tools to find
numbers in your Address Book, Microsoft Entourage, Now Contact, or Palm
Desktop databases. You can also search various websites and with the JPT
services and the included contextual menu, you can even select a number just
about anywhere (such as on a webpage) and instantly dial it using JPT!

JABMenu 1.2
<http://scriptbuilders.net/files/jabmenu1.2.html>

JABMenu is a convenient and intuitive way to utilize your Address Book data
through a system-wide menu. The application provides quick access to your
contacts' phone numbers, email, and postal addresses. Selecting a menu item
will trigger an action such as displaying the content in large type, copying
it to the clipboard, creating a new email, dialing the phone (accomplished
by running a customizable AppleScript), or showing an address on a map using
the Google Maps service. Phone dialing requires the use of additional
software such as Jon¹s Phone Tool.
--
Diane Ross, Microsoft Mac MVP
Entourage Help Page
<http://www.entourage.mvps.org/>
One of the top five MS Entourage resources listed on the Entourage Blog.
<http://blogs.msdn.com/entourage/>
 
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Ivar Klaas

Hi Michel,

Sure, no surprise to see sick people in a hospital and I hope not to have
offended anyone, let alone the helpful MVP's. But what if the docters in the
hospital were to all advise to get rid of the appendix when all else failed?

That would still make people nervous. I see too many "have you tried to
rebuild' to know that the db are susceptibel to corruption.

I have looked around for software to do what Entourage does on a Mac and I
would have liked for it to be non ms, but there is no match for it, to be
honest. What I am saying is, I like it, it is good and I'll help you knock
those woods down, but there is allways that "hope it holds" in the back of
my mind...

Thanks though, for support and clarification!

Ivar
 
D

Daiya Mitchell

Hi Ivar,

Don't just say "hope it holds". You don't have to trust Entourage.

I have a script that copies my Entourage Main Identity to another
location on my hard drive. Every few days or so I run the script (if I
kept a regular schedule, I could schedule it to run without me invoking
it). I archive 1 or 2 of the last duplicates, to compress them, and
delete them as I create new ones.

This means that I always have a fairly recent backup in case of
corruption. I believe since starting with Entourage 2004 in October
2004, I have had to revert to my backup 2 or 3 times. One of those times
the backup (1-2 days old) was also corrupt, and I had to do the actual
rebuild. The rebuild fixed the corruption--I lost some metadata like
some "show reply, show original" links, but don't think I lost any
actual emails, events, etc.

So, protect yourself instead of hoping. You'll be a lot less nervous. :)

Daiya
 
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Ivar Klaas

Hi Ivar,

Don't just say "hope it holds". You don't have to trust Entourage.

I have a script that copies my Entourage Main Identity to another
location on my hard drive. Every few days or so I run the script (if I
kept a regular schedule, I could schedule it to run without me invoking
it). I archive 1 or 2 of the last duplicates, to compress them, and
delete them as I create new ones.

This means that I always have a fairly recent backup in case of
corruption. I believe since starting with Entourage 2004 in October
2004, I have had to revert to my backup 2 or 3 times. One of those times
the backup (1-2 days old) was also corrupt, and I had to do the actual
rebuild. The rebuild fixed the corruption--I lost some metadata like
some "show reply, show original" links, but don't think I lost any
actual emails, events, etc.

So, protect yourself instead of hoping. You'll be a lot less nervous. :)

Daiya
Thanks,

No worries there then, I use an external Disk and put my User folder on it
every week. That's the great thing about Mac's, they are relatively easy to
reinstall....

Ivar
 

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