derived folder not always fully publishing

[Joe B]

My _derived folder containing the nav bar graphics seemingly randomly does
not publish some of the graphics to the server. Is there a way to make the
_derived folders visible in FP?? I know the graphics are there locally, and
I also know they do not get published to the server. I thought if I could
get to the _derived folders in FP, I could force the graphics to be
published. But, alas, they do not appear in the FP file listings.
Anyone know how to whip this one?? I have tried the various publishing
methods (changed pages, all pages etc..)
Thanks
Joe

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

No.

Are you publishing to a server that has the FP extensions?

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[Joe B]

Yes I am using IIS5 on both the remote server and local.
The remote is a commercially owned server.
I always open via FP and am publishing to the root as you
suggest with FP. It publishes all but one or two of the graphics generated
by FP nav bars. It is weird. Here is how I have it configured..
The webs are disk based web.
The graphics exist where they should on the disk based web. ie d:\theweb
When I publish this to the local server (localhost) a couple of the graphics
do not publish, all others in the _derived folder do publish??
This also occurs to the remote FP web on the commercial
server, two different sites. I deleted all the folders on the remote and
republished..
I also did this on my local server. Same thing. I did notice however that
certain files
do not get deleted on the servers when you delete all the folder showing
in FP.. Specifically the _derived folder/s. I know in FP2002 the _derived
folders showed up fine. I wish I could get them to do that now I would
force the graphic over to the _derived folder on the servers and would be
off
and running. I am wondering if the _vti associated with the _derived thinks
that they have been published ? I am not really swift about the vti folders
but they do seem to have information about the state of the generated
graphics in
them. I have tried regenerating the graphics by changing the 'active
graphics' and
'vivid colors' selections. They do get generated fine. I changed the
'name' in the
box of the nav structure to generate new graphics and it just will not
publish them.

Why FP is not publishing some of the _derived graphics to the server but
does not move the
other navigation generated graphics in the _derived folder has got me
baffled. I am not running
any addins or anything. Not even jbots right now. I am using some dwt's
Joe

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

Joe,

Instead of working with your disk-based web and then publishing to your local IIS 5 server, start
working with your site via http://localhost (server-based) this should then eliminate your current
problem with the nav bars.

If you have access to IIS locally, there really is no reason to work with disk-based webs, unless
you are using FP2003's Dynamic Web Template component.

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[Joe B]

I am using DWTs. What is the limitation on these using
the localhost approach??
thanks
Joe

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

Just the auto update function is not supported under the FP extensions.

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[Andrew Murray]

they are hidden folders - you shouldn't be mucking around with them. If you're
uploading with FTP then uploading those folders won't help you at all. FTP
corrupts the server extensions of which those _vti.... folders are a part.

 

[John Jansen \(MSFT\)]

If anyone has a consistent repro for this, I'd love to see it so we can get
it fixed. But currently I am not able to see any problems with any file
types in any kind of hidden folders.

I have tried .aspx, .html, .asp, .htm all included and excluded from navbars
and all the graphics show up as expected.

 

[Joe B]

Thomas, well nothing worked and I tried everything suggested. I did find
what conditions caused the problem however. If the new page added to
the nav structure is an aspx extension, FP would not publish all the
graphics generated in the _derived folder for the link bar even though they
existed in the local _derived folder. This was using a set of buttons from
a theme that already existed by the way.. I don't think this fact is
important
but just info for you. Even when I forced the graphics to the _derived
folder
in the localhost web and re-calculated the web, it would not publish the
graphic to a new web location. The description of the .gif that it would
not publish is this.
results.aspx_cmp_piechart000_hbtn_p.gif This will not publish but the
results.aspx_cmp_piechart000_hbtn.gif does... HMM, not marking the
new graphics as needing to be 'published' totally in FP?? Hard to tell
since I can't see the _derived folder in FP only in explorer.

If I added an htm or asp page to
the nav structure in the same level, FP was a happy little ducky
and published all the graphics. But add an aspx and it is a no-go.

FP would publish only the nav graphic for the link bar,
but not the active link graphic for the aspx pages. Even though
it existed in the local _derived folder in either a disk based or
localhost web.

I don't know what to make of this. There are other things wrong
with link bars in aspx pages. For instance if I remove a page
from the nav structure, do a re-calculate etc., that link is not removed
from the nav bar on aspx pages.