desperate need of help

[monix]

hi, i am using pub'07. i have finally managed to build a page... it works
nice except 2 things:
first, the navigation bar didn't work, so instead of struggling with it some
more, after 2 days i have finally removed it. but on the "related links"
page, it still shows a box with no picture - that was the navigation bar. on
all the other pages it removed itself except here... i've tried everything,
in pub there's nothing there... how do i remove it?
second, the "home" page doesn't work. i've renamed it, re-uploaded, it's now
called welcome. still doesn't work. i've tried to start from another page and
everything works fine except that first page... how do i get it to work?
i'm posting here all the web pages:

my not working first page: http://jmsb.concordia.ca/~m_mite/Page1.htm
and the rest that work except the link to the first page and the box from
the ex-navigation bar on the bottom:
http://jmsb.concordia.ca/~m_mite/Page5986.htm
http://jmsb.concordia.ca/~m_mite/Page6074.htm
http://jmsb.concordia.ca/~m_mite/Page6166.htm
http://jmsb.concordia.ca/~m_mite/Page7022.htm
http://jmsb.concordia.ca/~m_mite/Page7268.htm
http://jmsb.concordia.ca/~m_mite/Page7400.htm
http://jmsb.concordia.ca/~m_mite/Page7537.htm

thanks so much in advance, this school project started all wrong from the
beginning and the deadline is so clooose, thanks again, mona

 

[DavidF]

That box that remains might be cached. Try a Ctrl + F5 to force a reload.
But to answer your other issues, it is probably a moot point.

I am not clear about how you are publishing your site, but I would recommend
that you go back to a default method. In Publisher go to Tools > Options >
Web tab and check the option "Organize supporting files in a folder". Now
when you Publish to the Web and get the Save in dialog, choose "index.htm"
as the file name. Direct your output to a folder somewhere on your computer
where you can find it. Publisher will now produce an index.htm file (your
home page) and an index_files folder containing all the supporting graphics
and your other pages of your site...your other .htm files. Upload the
index.htm file and the index_files folder *intact* to the ~m_mite folder on
your host. But before you do, delete the old Publisher web files from your
host. Be careful to delete only the Publisher files and not any files put
there by your host.

You didn't explain what problem you were having with the navbar you deleted,
but I assume you must have been talking about a bottom textual navbar that
you can add with the navbar wizard. I also assume that you were using
FireFox to test that navbar. This is a bit of a bug with Publisher. The
bottom navbar will work with IE, but is converted into an image for FF,
which kills the links. If you want to add the bottom navbar back, you can
get it to work in FF. After adding it back, select the bottom navbar and go
to Arrange > ungroup. This will ungroup it from the navbar wizard and it
will then function in FF. The only caveat is that once you ungroup it from
the wizard, it will not automatically update when or if you add or delete a
page from your publication...so wait until you have all your pages before
you ungroup it, or plan on manually editing it.

DavidF

 

[DavidF]

I did a little more looking and it appears that you have a subfolder in your
name on the school website. If you look at http://jmsb.concordia.ca/~m_mite/
you will see a bunch of your image files, but no .htm files. Those are the
files that need to be deleted from the server. Also I am not sure what you
actually named your subfolder. In the link it appears to be ~m mite but it
might also be Mona Mitea. Either way this might be part of your problem.
Never use spaces in a folder or a file name for the web. Also as a rule it
is better to use all lower case and no special characters. An underscore
will work, but it will be indistinguishable from a space, so if you must use
a dash instead. So I would recommend that you rename your personal folder on
the site if you can to "monamitea" or "monat" or something like that. With
that said this might not be necessary, or possible if you can't rename your
folder. Try uploading the index.htm file and the index_files folder to your
folder on the server, and test it.

DavidF

 

[monix]

hi, me again...

i will try to be more precise...
1. m_mite is my login name but the folder is "mona mitea" i upload to m_mite
and the system knows to show "mona mitea" istead.
2. the web pages are uploaded too, that's how i can see them. i dpon;t know
why they don's show in the link, but they are there.
3. the nav bar... i am using ie. the nav bar shows as a picture on the
"related links" page, but when i go in pub, there's nothing in that spot: no
picture, no nav bar, nothing. how do i get it to dissapear?
4. the link for the home page ("welcome" page or page1). how do i get it to
work? i am supposed to send a link to the teacher. my link would be the home
page. but the home page doesn't work. all other pages and links work except
fr the first page. how do i get the first page to work? also, the links to
the home page from any other page don;t work either, even though i did them
manually. how do i get these to work?

i hope i was a bit clearer this time, i really REALLY appreciate your help
and time

mona

 

[monix]

also, 5. i publish my files in the exact way that you said. i only named it
"page1" since on my instructions from the teacher, he says that he doesn't
want us to publish under the name "index". but everything else is the same.

 

[DavidF]

Ok let's back up and take this a step or two at a time...

When I look at http://jmsb.concordia.ca/~m_mite/Page7537.htm which I assume
is your "related links" page, there is a navbar on the left side of the
page, just as it is on every page link you provided. There are navbar
buttons/links to your Home page, About us, Contact us, Service List,
history, Employee list, related links, and photo gallery. Are you saying
that you deleted that navbar on your Pub file, and now you don't know why it
still shows up when you view that page? If so, that is because you have not
uploaded the new pages reflecting the change. If you are talking about
another box on the related links page, then I don't see it...there is no
empty box on that page. Where on the page specifically is the box you are
talking about?

Do you even have the left hand navbar on your Publisher file any more?

Please address those two issues before going further.

DavidF

 

[monix]

i'm talking about the nav bar on the bottom - that's the one i've erased. i
see a box on bottom in ie. and yes, i have deleted the previous files, and
reupdted with the change.

 

[DavidF]

I am going to continue this thread here and copied your response. If
possible reply to this post so it is easier to follow and we keep this all
together.

OK. I do not see any empty box of say 50 X 400 pixel anywhere on your
"related links" page:
http://jmsb.concordia.ca/~m_mite/Page7537.htm
That is the size I would expect when you say you deleted the textual navbar
at the bottom of the page. The only thing I notice strange about the bottom
of your page is how long it is. Perhaps that is what you are talking about.

It appears that you have extended the main text box way beyond the last of
the content on the page for some reason. I would suggest that even if this
is not what you are talking about, that you should fix it. Publisher
automatically truncates the web page after the last design element you have
on the page, when you publish your web files. Unless you have a good reason
for the long pages, you should shorten the length of the text box to the
bottom of the content on each page. The resulting pages will load faster and
look better.

Let me know if the extra length of the page was what you were talking about.
If not, perhaps it will all become a moot point if we can get your main
problem solved.

Now that I know that the vertical navbar is functional and is intended, the
next step is to repair the links.

Open you Pub file and click on the navbar. Click on the wand icon at the
bottom of the navbar which brings up the "Navigation Bar Properties" dialog
box. (Alternatively, click on the navbar > Format > Navigation Bar
Properties.) Select your Home page > modify link which brings up the
"Modify Link - Main Navigation Bar" dialog. Now make sure that under Link
to: on the left column, that you have "Place in this document" selected and
"Page 1" under Select a place in this document. OK out. Then go through each
page and make sure that it points to the correct page in your publication.
Check the other pages to see if the navbar was updated with the new links.

Now to address your need to name the home page something other than
index.htm ... When you Publish to the Web and produce your web files, you
will get a Save dialog box > File name > key in "default.htm" instead of
"index.htm". Now Publisher will produce a "default.htm" file, your home
page, and a "default_files" folder which contains all your supporting
graphics and images, plus all the other pages of your website. Publisher
always picks up the name of the home page file and incorporates it with "
_files" in naming the support folder. I am suggesting "default.htm" for the
home page because browsers will automatically open it, just like it would an
index.htm file...it is another default file name for browsers. That means
you can write the link to your home page without specifying the file name...

Anyway, now you are ready to republish your files. You have been given a
folder to publish your web files under your school's domain. The path to
that folder is: http://jmsb.concordia.ca/~m_mite/ You have said that your
folder name is "m_mite" or "mona mitea". I don't know why the link writes
the folder as "~m_mite". Someone smarter than I am will have to explain
that, but it doesn't matter for uploading purposes. Whatever the folder is
called on the host server, you will just upload both the default.htm file
and the default_files folder ***intact*** with all the files within, to that
folder.

Before you upload the fresh web files, you need to clean up those old files.
Log onto your server and delete all the old files.

That's it. Your new home page should load when you click on
http://jmsb.concordia.ca/~m_mite/default.htm or
http://jmsb.concordia.ca/~m_mite/ . The links to your other pages should
also work.

Post back and let me know how it goes.

DavidF


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Monix:
i'm talking about the nav bar on the bottom - that's the one i've erased. i
see a box on bottom in ie. and yes, i have deleted the previous files, and
reupdted with the change.
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[monix]

ok, one problem out of three is solved: making the pages smaller erased the
box that i was seeing.
we only have 2 left:
1. why can't i see my first page? ("Welcome"). can you see it? does it have
all the pictures in? does it have the nav bar on the left? can you move
through the links from the FISRT page? (i can move throught he links but not
see the nav bar). al i see is the writing and empty boxes (like the pictures
aren't available...) but they are all uploaded. and some of them are on other
pages as well and they work fine.
2. why can't i link to the FIRST page from the other pages? i have already
fixed the links like you say even before i wrote to you the first time! it
tells me that the file is not there. but it is there since i've uploaded it!.
i wouldn't bother you for nothing. i've tried everything i could think of
before coming to this forum. if i try in pub, the links to the first page and
the first page work just fine. but not in ie!!!!!!!! why???? or how do we fix
this?

 

[DavidF]

I see from looking at http://jmsb.concordia.ca/~m_mite/default.htm that you
have followed my directions, your site is working now, and so you apparently
have answered these questions. Good luck.

DavidF