DHTML Effects

[tj2410]

When I try to apply a new dhtml effect to text, the only choice I'm given in
the box for choosing an event is Page Load. I was previously given only
MouseOver, which I've used with no problem. But, now the choice is only Page
Load. I've looked everywhere to find how to open up all of the dhtml choices
but have found nothing.

 

[Murray]

Which FP? What do you have selected on the page when you try this?

 

[tj2410]

I'm using FrontPage 2003. I have entered text on the page and added a
hyperlink to the text. I want to do a mouseover of the text so that the user
will have verification that this is a hyperlink. When I go to add the dhtml
effect, the only option I have is Page Load. I was able to add the mouseover
earlier because that was the choice I was given (Page Load wasn't even a
choice earlier).

 

[Murray]

What mouseover effect are you wanting to add? Isn't the pseudo-class hover
enough?

When I select text that has a hyperlink applied to it (in FP2003) -

<a href="javascript:;">whatever</a>

I can apply an image swap with mouseover. But the event choices you get are
a function of the kind of behavior you are applying and what you are
applying them to. So - what are you trying to do?

 

[tj2410]

The effect that I have been using (and prefer) is to boldface and italicize
the text that has a hyperlink connection when the mouseover is made. This
makes the selection of the item more evident to the user than the standard
approach. I also change the text color and remove the underline from the
standard format assigned when a hyperlink is made. I understand that this is
different from the standard, but it is much clearer to the user that they are
aligned with the hyperlink that they are trying to use.

I have found a work around to my problem by copying text that I currently
have in my web pages and then changing the text wording and hyperlink after I
paste the text where I want it. I'd just like to find out what caused the
choices in the dhtml to change and if there is some way for me to set up
Frontpage so that I can a have the full range of choices instead of just Page
Load.

 

[Murray]

Personally, I think that is a terrible effect - it makes the content move
(since bold characters are wider than non-bold characters). I find it
terribly distracting.

But what you describe is not DHTML, and is not achieved by using behaviors.
It's simple CSS and it's achieved by properly defining the pseudo-classes,
e.g.,

a { font-family:arial, helvetica. sans-serif; color:blue; }
a:hover { font-weight:bold; font-style:italic; }

Which will do exactly what you describe.

 

[Bill M]

First and foremost, using Dynamic HTML to change font appearance in FrontPage
on each individual link is unnecessary. I made the same mistake when I was
new at this. If you are using the same font change on ALL of the links
within a given page, I would suggest that you simply change the "Rollover"
effect within Page Properties. Below is how:

1. Open the page that you wish to change your page properties on in FrontPage.
2. Right click anywhere inside your page.
3. Select the option for "Page Properties"
4. Click on the "Advanced" tab.
5. If it is not already the case, check the "Enable hyperlink rollover
effects" box.
6. This will enable the "Rollover Style..." button to the check box's
immediate left.
7. Press the "Rollover Style" button.
8. You may now make any changes you wish to the font, point size, italics,
bolding, etc.
9. Press OK when finished.

One final point I would make is that you should really REMOVE the dhtml
effects to the individual links that you have created BEFORE you do all this.
This way, you make any additional links you put on your pages easier from
this point forward, as they will all have the same style. Hope this helps.
Good Luck

 

[tj2410]

Murray, I struggled with your comments for a bit, thought about them and
decided that you are right in that using bold characters on mouseover is a
distraction. I'm in the process of removing all of those mouseovers.

I still don't know why I only have Page Load as a dhtml option when I used
to have Mouseover as the only option. The Frontpage book I have indicates
there are several others, but none of them show in my dhtml tool box.

Anyway, thanks for your comments.

 

[tj2410]

Bill, I had discovered the approach you've described in your reply. Thanks
for the feedback. You're right, I'm still pretty new at this and it can be
frustrating trying to feel your way through the unwritten hurdles and dead
ends that you run into when you're trying to do what you want to do.

I've given up on trying to use a mouseover on hyperlinked text. The
background color for the hyperlinked text I want to highlight is gray, so
black text looks the best. When I insert the hyperlinks, the text turns to
blue underlined. When I use the hyperlink style to change the color to
black, it seems to override the mouseover color change that I set up using
the approach you describe. I've tried every combination of page properties,
hyperlink properties, hovers, etc, and can never get what I'm trying to get.
So, its time to quit obsessing over this one issue and move on - there's a
lot more I have to do to go online with my website that's more important.

Thanks again for your advice.

 

[Stefan B Rusynko]

The other options are only available once you select an element in your page

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| Murray, I struggled with your comments for a bit, thought about them and
| decided that you are right in that using bold characters on mouseover is a
| distraction. I'm in the process of removing all of those mouseovers.
|
| I still don't know why I only have Page Load as a dhtml option when I used
| to have Mouseover as the only option. The Frontpage book I have indicates
| there are several others, but none of them show in my dhtml tool box.
|
| Anyway, thanks for your comments.
|
| "Murray" wrote:
|
| > Personally, I think that is a terrible effect - it makes the content move
| > (since bold characters are wider than non-bold characters). I find it
| > terribly distracting.
| >
| > But what you describe is not DHTML, and is not achieved by using behaviors.
| > It's simple CSS and it's achieved by properly defining the pseudo-classes,
| > e.g.,
| >
| > a { font-family:arial, helvetica. sans-serif; color:blue; }
| > a:hover { font-weight:bold; font-style:italic; }
| >
| > Which will do exactly what you describe.
| >
| > --
| > Murray
| > ============
| >
| > | > > The effect that I have been using (and prefer) is to boldface and
| > > italicize
| > > the text that has a hyperlink connection when the mouseover is made. This
| > > makes the selection of the item more evident to the user than the standard
| > > approach. I also change the text color and remove the underline from the
| > > standard format assigned when a hyperlink is made. I understand that this
| > > is
| > > different from the standard, but it is much clearer to the user that they
| > > are
| > > aligned with the hyperlink that they are trying to use.
| > >
| > > I have found a work around to my problem by copying text that I currently
| > > have in my web pages and then changing the text wording and hyperlink
| > > after I
| > > paste the text where I want it. I'd just like to find out what caused the
| > > choices in the dhtml to change and if there is some way for me to set up
| > > Frontpage so that I can a have the full range of choices instead of just
| > > Page
| > > Load.
| > >
| > > "Murray" wrote:
| > >
| > >> What mouseover effect are you wanting to add? Isn't the pseudo-class
| > >> hover
| > >> enough?
| > >>
| > >> When I select text that has a hyperlink applied to it (in FP2003) -
| > >>
| > >> <a href="javascript:;">whatever</a>
| > >>
| > >> I can apply an image swap with mouseover. But the event choices you get
| > >> are
| > >> a function of the kind of behavior you are applying and what you are
| > >> applying them to. So - what are you trying to do?
| > >>
| > >> --
| > >> Murray
| > >> ============
| > >>
| > >> | > >> > I'm using FrontPage 2003. I have entered text on the page and added a
| > >> > hyperlink to the text. I want to do a mouseover of the text so that
| > >> > the
| > >> > user
| > >> > will have verification that this is a hyperlink. When I go to add the
| > >> > dhtml
| > >> > effect, the only option I have is Page Load. I was able to add the
| > >> > mouseover
| > >> > earlier because that was the choice I was given (Page Load wasn't even
| > >> > a
| > >> > choice earlier).
| > >> >
| > >> > "Murray" wrote:
| > >> >
| > >> >> Which FP? What do you have selected on the page when you try this?
| > >> >>
| > >> >> --
| > >> >> Murray
| > >> >> ============
| > >> >>
| > >> >> | > >> >> > When I try to apply a new dhtml effect to text, the only choice I'm
| > >> >> > given
| > >> >> > in
| > >> >> > the box for choosing an event is Page Load. I was previously given
| > >> >> > only
| > >> >> > MouseOver, which I've used with no problem. But, now the choice is
| > >> >> > only
| > >> >> > Page
| > >> >> > Load. I've looked everywhere to find how to open up all of the
| > >> >> > dhtml
| > >> >> > choices
| > >> >> > but have found nothing.
| > >> >>
| > >> >>
| > >> >>
| > >>
| > >>
| > >>
| >
| >
| >

 

[Murray]

You're not getting it. The effect you desire is *not* DHTML. It doesn't
involve a behavior or a mouseover event. There is no javascript. It's not
DHTML. It is simple CSS.

 

[tj2410]

Hi, Stefan. I selected a picture in my webpage and as you state, the other
dhtml options display. Thanks for helping me understand how this works.

The other options are only available once you select an element in your page

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_____________________________________________


| Murray, I struggled with your comments for a bit, thought about them and
| decided that you are right in that using bold characters on mouseover is a
| distraction. I'm in the process of removing all of those mouseovers.
|
| I still don't know why I only have Page Load as a dhtml option when I used
| to have Mouseover as the only option. The Frontpage book I have indicates
| there are several others, but none of them show in my dhtml tool box.
|
| Anyway, thanks for your comments.
|
| "Murray" wrote:
|
| > Personally, I think that is a terrible effect - it makes the content move
| > (since bold characters are wider than non-bold characters). I find it
| > terribly distracting.
| >
| > But what you describe is not DHTML, and is not achieved by using behaviors.
| > It's simple CSS and it's achieved by properly defining the pseudo-classes,
| > e.g.,
| >
| > a { font-family:arial, helvetica. sans-serif; color:blue; }
| > a:hover { font-weight:bold; font-style:italic; }
| >
| > Which will do exactly what you describe.
| >
| > --
| > Murray
| > ============
| >
| > | > > The effect that I have been using (and prefer) is to boldface and
| > > italicize
| > > the text that has a hyperlink connection when the mouseover is made. This
| > > makes the selection of the item more evident to the user than the standard
| > > approach. I also change the text color and remove the underline from the
| > > standard format assigned when a hyperlink is made. I understand that this
| > > is
| > > different from the standard, but it is much clearer to the user that they
| > > are
| > > aligned with the hyperlink that they are trying to use.
| > >
| > > I have found a work around to my problem by copying text that I currently
| > > have in my web pages and then changing the text wording and hyperlink
| > > after I
| > > paste the text where I want it. I'd just like to find out what caused the
| > > choices in the dhtml to change and if there is some way for me to set up
| > > Frontpage so that I can a have the full range of choices instead of just
| > > Page
| > > Load.
| > >
| > > "Murray" wrote:
| > >
| > >> What mouseover effect are you wanting to add? Isn't the pseudo-class
| > >> hover
| > >> enough?
| > >>
| > >> When I select text that has a hyperlink applied to it (in FP2003) -
| > >>
| > >> <a href="javascript:;">whatever</a>
| > >>
| > >> I can apply an image swap with mouseover. But the event choices you get
| > >> are
| > >> a function of the kind of behavior you are applying and what you are
| > >> applying them to. So - what are you trying to do?
| > >>
| > >> --
| > >> Murray
| > >> ============
| > >>
| > >> | > >> > I'm using FrontPage 2003. I have entered text on the page and added a
| > >> > hyperlink to the text. I want to do a mouseover of the text so that
| > >> > the
| > >> > user
| > >> > will have verification that this is a hyperlink. When I go to add the
| > >> > dhtml
| > >> > effect, the only option I have is Page Load. I was able to add the
| > >> > mouseover
| > >> > earlier because that was the choice I was given (Page Load wasn't even
| > >> > a
| > >> > choice earlier).
| > >> >
| > >> > "Murray" wrote:
| > >> >
| > >> >> Which FP? What do you have selected on the page when you try this?
| > >> >>
| > >> >> --
| > >> >> Murray
| > >> >> ============
| > >> >>
| > >> >> | > >> >> > When I try to apply a new dhtml effect to text, the only choice I'm
| > >> >> > given
| > >> >> > in
| > >> >> > the box for choosing an event is Page Load. I was previously given
| > >> >> > only
| > >> >> > MouseOver, which I've used with no problem. But, now the choice is
| > >> >> > only
| > >> >> > Page
| > >> >> > Load. I've looked everywhere to find how to open up all of the
| > >> >> > dhtml
| > >> >> > choices
| > >> >> > but have found nothing.
| > >> >>
| > >> >>
| > >> >>
| > >>
| > >>
| > >>
| >
| >
| >