Div, Table and Cell Outlines not displayed

[Malcolm Walker]

Using FP2003 SP3

In all my sites div, table and cell outlines are displayed in Design
View except in the public area of my site at www.sandiwaygolf.co.uk/.
In the members' area of this site (that is password protected) these
outlines display as expected. This behaviour has persisted for many
months and from time to time I have tried to find out the cause. I have
been completely unsuccessful yet again and in posting this message I am
admitting defeat.

Can anyone tell me how to display these outlines - please?

 

[Helpful person]

Using FP2003 SP3

In all my sites div, table and cell outlines are displayed in Design
View except in the public area of my site atwww.sandiwaygolf.co.uk/.  
In the members' area of this site (that is password protected) these
outlines display as expected.  This behaviour has persisted for many
months and from time to time I have tried to find out the cause.  I have
been completely unsuccessful yet again and in posting this message I am
admitting defeat.

Can anyone tell me how to display these outlines - please?

Your code does not validate. Try fixing this first.

 

[Malcolm Walker]

What validation of the proprietary code produced by FrontPage has to do
with my question I really have no idea. But on the topic of validation
I have the Mozilla Firefox HTML Tidy add-in installed. When displaying
the home page no errors and no warnings are reported.

As much as I would like the code to validate in the W3C validator as
well, is your response possibly a little short of helpful?

Malcolm Walker

 

[Helpful person]

What validation of the proprietary code produced by FrontPage has to do
with my question I really have no idea.  But on the topic of validation
I have the Mozilla Firefox HTML Tidy add-in installed.  When displaying
the home page no errors and no warnings are reported.

As much as I would like the code to validate in the W3C validator as
well, is your response possibly a little short of helpful?

Malcolm Walker

Your code is not compliant with the HTML standards. This means that
it is often chance that results in the way it is displayed. As you
mentioned you can check the code at the following site:

http://validator.w3.org/

My response is not a little short of helpful. FrontPage does not
generally produce compliant code which is necessary to properly ensure
that a web site is displayed correctly and consistantly.
Unfortunately my knowledge is not sufficient to help in making your
code compliant (or close to compliant). Maybe others can help.

 

[Ronx]

On the home page, all the tables have border="0" - which means no
borders showing around the tables. The <divs> have no borders defined.
Change border="0" to border="1"
To show a border around a <div> use a class (which can also be used for
the table, if you don't want the cells to have borders)

<div class="brder">div contents</div>

<table summary="blah blah" class="brder">


In the style block:
..brder {border: 1px solid black;}

Change the colour and size to suit.




In the style statement:

<style type="text/css">a {text-decoration: none;}
<!--
html { min-height: 100%; margin-bottom: 1px; }
-->
body, p, td {color: black; background: white; font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;}
</style>

Is the html rule commented out? If this is the intention, change <!--
to /* and change --> to */

<style type="text/css">a {text-decoration: none;}
/*
html { min-height: 100%; margin-bottom: 1px; }
*/
body, p, td {color: black; background: white; font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;}
</style>

 

[Malcolm Walker]

From your words quoted above I construe that you are prepared to
gratuitously offer adverse comment without having the knowledge or
experience to offer guidance as to correction. I do not believe that
this or any other newsgroup exists for the purpose of nothing more than
informing the originator of a post that his or her work is incorrect.

That is why I believe your are the opposite of being a `Helpful person'.

Malcolm Walker

 

[Malcolm Walker]

From your words I construe that you are prepared to
gratuitously offer adverse comment without having the knowledge or
experience to offer guidance as to correction. I do not believe that
this or any other newsgroup exists for the purpose of nothing more than
informing the originator of a post that his or her work is incorrect.

That is why I believe your are the opposite of being a `Helpful person'.

Malcolm Walker

 

[Malcolm Walker]

Ron, thank you - but I think I have been misunderstood for which I
apologise. I do not require borders to be displayed in tables I have
used to construct my Web pages at www.sandiwaygolf.co.uk/. What I am
referring to an oddity that is persistent in that section of that Web
site in its Design View. I'll try to explain the odd behaviour in
another way

In Design View of this area I can open a New blank page and by going to
the Menu and clicking Table | Insert | Table a table is created. In
Code View I can see the code for the table. However in Design View I
can see nothing - the page is still blank.

In the private area of that site and every other FrontPage site on my
computer in Design View I can see the outline of the table and its rows,
columns and cells. This is before I assign any Table Properties or type
any text.

Similarly this behaviour can be seen in Word. Open a document and
insert a table. In Borders and Shading set Borders to None the table
structure can still be seen.

Malcolm

 

[Malcolm Walker]

From your words I construe that you are prepared to
gratuitously offer adverse comment without having the knowledge or
experience to offer guidance as to correction. I do not believe that
this or any other newsgroup exists for the purpose of nothing more than
informing the originator of a post that his or her work is incorrect.

That is why I believe you are the opposite of being a `Helpful person'.

Malcolm Walker

 

[Ronx]

The problem is in your style sheet. Setting the table cell background
colour wipes out the cell guide markings.

Change your style sheet to:

<style type="text/css">a {text-decoration: none;}
/*
html { min-height: 100%; margin-bottom: 1px; }
*/
body {background-color: white;}
body, p, td {color: black; font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;}
</style>

(again, I am assuming the html rule is commented out.)
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

 

[Helpful person]

 From your words quoted above I construe that you are prepared to
gratuitously offer adverse comment without having the knowledge or
experience to offer guidance as to correction.  I do not believe that
this or any other newsgroup exists for the purpose of nothing more than
informing the originator of a post that his or her work is incorrect.

That is why I believe your are the opposite of being a `Helpful person'.

Malcolm Walker

I'm sorry you feel that way. I try to limit my comments to lie within
my own knowledge. I am self taught in FrontPage, html and css which I
fully realize limits my ability to follow other peoples code
constructs in an objective way. However, from your other threads it
seems that you may have taken a little notice of my comments.

If I have offended you I apologise.

 

[Malcolm Walker]

Thank you for providing the solution to my problem. I am most grateful.

Malcolm