doctype choice?

Spyder2 · Dec 18, 2005

I have included:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">

in my page (www.vohdenassociates.com) but upon validation it fails with the
message:
"Page is Not Valid HTML 4.01 Transitional!"

Can someone help me with the correct doctype to use?
Thanks folks.

Kathleen Anderson [MVP - FrontPage] · Dec 18, 2005

Your DOCTYPE statement is fine - using a different one won't help. It's the
HTML in your page that's invalid.

Tom J · Dec 18, 2005

Kathleen Anderson said:
Your DOCTYPE statement is fine - using a different one won't help.
It's the HTML in your page that's invalid.

After just trying for 2 days to validate a single page of my site that
is a simple table page with an "include" banner/drop down index, I've
reached the conclusion that there is no way to validate a page when FP
2003 is being used. Closing tags will be moved and names used that
don't validate, especially when inserting the "include". I did
validate the banner/drop down index, but I did it with another html
editor. How wrong am I?

Tom J

Kathleen Anderson [MVP - FrontPage] · Dec 18, 2005

Tom:
Pages that include the "include" component can validate. What's the URL of
the page you're trying to validate?

--
~ Kathleen Anderson
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
Spider Web Woman Designs
web: http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/

Tom J · Dec 18, 2005

http://www.fleetwoodclub.org/newpage_blank.htm
This is the blank page I used to try to get it to validate.

http://www.fleetwoodclub.org/banner3.htm
This is the include that is at the top of the blank page
Tom J

Kathleen Anderson [MVP - FrontPage] · Dec 19, 2005

The banner page passes validation and you only have a couple of errors on
the page it's included in. It shouldn't be too hard to clean it up.

--
~ Kathleen Anderson
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
Spider Web Woman Designs
web: http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/

p c · Dec 19, 2005

You must have cleaned-up. Thr only errot I get is:
mising: type="text/css"
from: <style>

...PC

Stefan B Rusynko · Dec 19, 2005

The main page and banner page has lots of real critical user created errors (not FP generated at all)
- Largest one is no form tag surrounding the form
- Duplicate meta tags
<meta http-equiv="expires" content="0">
<meta http-equiv="expires" content="Sun, Dec 31 1970 12:00:00 GMT">
- Empty Title tag
- and missing closing </html> tag

Put either http://www.fleetwoodclub.org/banner3.htm or http://www.fleetwoodclub.org/newpage_blank.htm in the single page validator
at
http://www.doctor-html.com/RxHTML/cgi-bin/single.cgi
--

_____________________________________________
SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
"Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
http://www.frontpagemvps.com/FrontPageNewsGroups/tabid/53/Default.aspx
_____________________________________________

| The banner page passes validation and you only have a couple of errors on
| the page it's included in. It shouldn't be too hard to clean it up.
|
| --
| ~ Kathleen Anderson
| Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| Spider Web Woman Designs
| web: http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
|
|
| | > http://www.fleetwoodclub.org/newpage_blank.htm
| > This is the blank page I used to try to get it to validate.
| >
| > http://www.fleetwoodclub.org/banner3.htm
| > This is the include that is at the top of the blank page
| > Tom J
| >
| > message | >> Tom:
| >> Pages that include the "include" component can validate. What's the URL
| >> of the page you're trying to validate?
| >>
| >> --
| >> ~ Kathleen Anderson
| >> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| >> Spider Web Woman Designs
| >> web: http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
| >>
| >>
| >> | >>>
| >>> message | >>>> Your DOCTYPE statement is fine - using a different one won't help. It's
| >>>> the HTML in your page that's invalid.
| >>>
| >>> After just trying for 2 days to validate a single page of my site that
| >>> is a simple table page with an "include" banner/drop down index, I've
| >>> reached the conclusion that there is no way to validate a page when FP
| >>> 2003 is being used. Closing tags will be moved and names used that don't
| >>> validate, especially when inserting the "include". I did validate the
| >>> banner/drop down index, but I did it with another html editor. How wrong
| >>> am I?
| >>>
| >>> Tom J
| >>>
| >>
| >>
| >
| >
|
|

Tom J · Dec 19, 2005

What form? If I have a form, I don't know. I have a table inside
another table to give a picture frame look to the site.
The duplicate meta tags are really not duplicate. It take 3 different
kind to get different browsers to load a fresh page each time since
many pages in the site change often. Full online pages on the site
have title tag & meta description filled in. I added to missing
closing /html tag.

There are many errors on every page in the site. That's the reason I
am trying to see if it's possible to validate FP 2003 generated pages
that also have some design input. I have found that over half my
errors are FP generated.

I would not think the banner would need any more header info than it
already has since it's included within another page with every use. Am
I wrong?
Thanks,
Tom J

Stefan B Rusynko said:
The main page and banner page has lots of real critical user created
errors (not FP generated at all)
- Largest one is no form tag surrounding the form
- Duplicate meta tags
<meta http-equiv="expires" content="0">
<meta http-equiv="expires" content="Sun, Dec 31 1970 12:00:00 GMT">
- Empty Title tag
- and missing closing </html> tag

Put either http://www.fleetwoodclub.org/banner3.htm or
http://www.fleetwoodclub.org/newpage_blank.htm in the single page
validator
at
http://www.doctor-html.com/RxHTML/cgi-bin/single.cgi
--

_____________________________________________
SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
"Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:

http://www.frontpagemvps.com/FrontPageNewsGroups/tabid/53/Default.aspx
_____________________________________________

"Kathleen Anderson [MVP - FrontPage]" <[email protected]>
wrote in message | The banner page passes validation and you only have a couple of
errors on
| the page it's included in. It shouldn't be too hard to clean it
up.
|
| --
| ~ Kathleen Anderson
| Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| Spider Web Woman Designs
| web: http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
|
|
| | > http://www.fleetwoodclub.org/newpage_blank.htm
| > This is the blank page I used to try to get it to validate.
| >
| > http://www.fleetwoodclub.org/banner3.htm
| > This is the include that is at the top of the blank page
| > Tom J
| >
| > "Kathleen Anderson [MVP - FrontPage]" <[email protected]>
wrote in
| > message | >> Tom:
| >> Pages that include the "include" component can validate. What's
the URL
| >> of the page you're trying to validate?
| >>
| >> --
| >> ~ Kathleen Anderson
| >> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| >> Spider Web Woman Designs
| >> web: http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
| >>
| >>
| >> | >>>
| >>> "Kathleen Anderson [MVP - FrontPage]"
| >>> message | >>>> Your DOCTYPE statement is fine - using a different one won't
help. It's
| >>>> the HTML in your page that's invalid.
| >>>
| >>> After just trying for 2 days to validate a single page of my
site that
| >>> is a simple table page with an "include" banner/drop down
index, I've
| >>> reached the conclusion that there is no way to validate a page
when FP
| >>> 2003 is being used. Closing tags will be moved and names used
that don't
| >>> validate, especially when inserting the "include". I did
validate the
| >>> banner/drop down index, but I did it with another html editor.
How wrong
| >>> am I?
| >>>
| >>> Tom J
| >>>
| >>
| >>
| >
| >
|
|

Tom J · Dec 19, 2005

I finally got it in the correct place so the whole page validates.
Now, the question is, do I want to tackle the whole site? :-(

Thomas A. Rowe · Dec 19, 2005

The forms, are you drop down menus in your top banner.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
==============================================
If you feel your current issue is a results of installing
a Service Pack or security update, please contact
Microsoft Product Support Services:
http://support.microsoft.com
If the problem can be shown to have been caused by a
security update, then there is usually no charge for the call.
==============================================

Tom J said:
What form? If I have a form, I don't know. I have a table inside another table to give a picture
frame look to the site.
The duplicate meta tags are really not duplicate. It take 3 different kind to get different
browsers to load a fresh page each time since many pages in the site change often. Full online
pages on the site have title tag & meta description filled in. I added to missing closing /html
tag.

There are many errors on every page in the site. That's the reason I am trying to see if it's
possible to validate FP 2003 generated pages that also have some design input. I have found that
over half my errors are FP generated.

I would not think the banner would need any more header info than it already has since it's
included within another page with every use. Am I wrong?
Thanks,
Tom J

Stefan B Rusynko said:

The main page and banner page has lots of real critical user created errors (not FP generated at
all)
- Largest one is no form tag surrounding the form
- Duplicate meta tags
<meta http-equiv="expires" content="0">
<meta http-equiv="expires" content="Sun, Dec 31 1970 12:00:00 GMT">
- Empty Title tag
- and missing closing </html> tag

Put either http://www.fleetwoodclub.org/banner3.htm or
http://www.fleetwoodclub.org/newpage_blank.htm in the single page validator
at
http://www.doctor-html.com/RxHTML/cgi-bin/single.cgi
--

_____________________________________________
SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
"Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:

http://www.frontpagemvps.com/FrontPageNewsGroups/tabid/53/Default.aspx
_____________________________________________

| The banner page passes validation and you only have a couple of errors on
| the page it's included in. It shouldn't be too hard to clean it up.
|
| --
| ~ Kathleen Anderson
| Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| Spider Web Woman Designs
| web: http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
|
|
| | > http://www.fleetwoodclub.org/newpage_blank.htm
| > This is the blank page I used to try to get it to validate.
| >
| > http://www.fleetwoodclub.org/banner3.htm
| > This is the include that is at the top of the blank page
| > Tom J
| >
| > message | >> Tom:
| >> Pages that include the "include" component can validate. What's the URL
| >> of the page you're trying to validate?
| >>
| >> --
| >> ~ Kathleen Anderson
| >> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| >> Spider Web Woman Designs
| >> web: http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
| >>
| >>
| >> | >>>
| >>> message | >>>> Your DOCTYPE statement is fine - using a different one won't help. It's
| >>>> the HTML in your page that's invalid.
| >>>
| >>> After just trying for 2 days to validate a single page of my site that
| >>> is a simple table page with an "include" banner/drop down index, I've
| >>> reached the conclusion that there is no way to validate a page when FP
| >>> 2003 is being used. Closing tags will be moved and names used that don't
| >>> validate, especially when inserting the "include". I did validate the
| >>> banner/drop down index, but I did it with another html editor. How wrong
| >>> am I?
| >>>
| >>> Tom J
| >>>
| >>
| >>
| >
| >
|
|

Click to expand...

Tom J · Dec 19, 2005

Thanks for the explanation. It validates without the form tag, but I
would like to know how & where to insert it.
Thanks
Tom J
76 & too old to still be doing this!

Thomas A. Rowe said:
The forms, are you drop down menus in your top banner.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
==============================================
If you feel your current issue is a results of installing
a Service Pack or security update, please contact
Microsoft Product Support Services:
http://support.microsoft.com
If the problem can be shown to have been caused by a
security update, then there is usually no charge for the call.
==============================================

Tom J said:

What form? If I have a form, I don't know. I have a table inside
another table to give a picture frame look to the site.
The duplicate meta tags are really not duplicate. It take 3
different kind to get different browsers to load a fresh page each
time since many pages in the site change often. Full online pages
on the site have title tag & meta description filled in. I added to
missing closing /html tag.

There are many errors on every page in the site. That's the reason
I am trying to see if it's possible to validate FP 2003 generated
pages that also have some design input. I have found that over half
my errors are FP generated.

I would not think the banner would need any more header info than
it already has since it's included within another page with every
use. Am I wrong?
Thanks,
Tom J

Stefan B Rusynko said:

The main page and banner page has lots of real critical user
created errors (not FP generated at all)
- Largest one is no form tag surrounding the form
- Duplicate meta tags
<meta http-equiv="expires" content="0">
<meta http-equiv="expires" content="Sun, Dec 31 1970 12:00:00
GMT">
- Empty Title tag
- and missing closing </html> tag

Put either http://www.fleetwoodclub.org/banner3.htm or
http://www.fleetwoodclub.org/newpage_blank.htm in the single page
validator
at
http://www.doctor-html.com/RxHTML/cgi-bin/single.cgi
--

_____________________________________________
SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
"Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:

http://www.frontpagemvps.com/FrontPageNewsGroups/tabid/53/Default.aspx
_____________________________________________

"Kathleen Anderson [MVP - FrontPage]" <[email protected]>
wrote in message | The banner page passes validation and you only have a couple of
errors on
| the page it's included in. It shouldn't be too hard to clean it
up.
|
| --
| ~ Kathleen Anderson
| Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| Spider Web Woman Designs
| web: http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
|
|
| | > http://www.fleetwoodclub.org/newpage_blank.htm
| > This is the blank page I used to try to get it to validate.
| >
| > http://www.fleetwoodclub.org/banner3.htm
| > This is the include that is at the top of the blank page
| > Tom J
| >
| > "Kathleen Anderson [MVP - FrontPage]"
| > message | >> Tom:
| >> Pages that include the "include" component can validate.
What's the URL
| >> of the page you're trying to validate?
| >>
| >> --
| >> ~ Kathleen Anderson
| >> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| >> Spider Web Woman Designs
| >> web: http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
| >>
| >>
| >> | >>>
| >>> "Kathleen Anderson [MVP - FrontPage]"
| >>> message | >>>> Your DOCTYPE statement is fine - using a different one
won't help. It's
| >>>> the HTML in your page that's invalid.
| >>>
| >>> After just trying for 2 days to validate a single page of my
site that
| >>> is a simple table page with an "include" banner/drop down
index, I've
| >>> reached the conclusion that there is no way to validate a
page when FP
| >>> 2003 is being used. Closing tags will be moved and names
used that don't
| >>> validate, especially when inserting the "include". I did
validate the
| >>> banner/drop down index, but I did it with another html
editor. How wrong
| >>> am I?
| >>>
| >>> Tom J
| >>>
| >>
| >>
| >
| >
|
|

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

Thomas A. Rowe · Dec 19, 2005

<form>
<select size="1" name="D1" onchange="window.location.href=this.value;">
<option>National Contacts</option>
<option value="http://www.fleetwoodclub.org/message_sam_ftc.htm">Club President</option>
<option value="http://www.fleetwoodclub.org/exec_sec.htm">Exec. Secretary</option>
<option value="http://www.fleetwoodclub.org/message_fwc.htm">Fleetwood Corp.</option>
<option value="http://www.fleetwoodclub.org/fw_club_org.htm">Organization Chart</option>
<option value="http://www.fleetwoodclub.org/mapusa.htm">Local Contacts</option>
<option value="http://www.fleetwoodclub.org/history.htm">Club History</option>
<option value="http://www.fleetwoodclub.org/application.htm">Join The Club</option>
</select>
</form>

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
==============================================
If you feel your current issue is a results of installing
a Service Pack or security update, please contact
Microsoft Product Support Services:
http://support.microsoft.com
If the problem can be shown to have been caused by a
security update, then there is usually no charge for the call.
==============================================

Tom J said:
Thanks for the explanation. It validates without the form tag, but I would like to know how &
where to insert it.
Thanks
Tom J
76 & too old to still be doing this!

Thomas A. Rowe said:

The forms, are you drop down menus in your top banner.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
==============================================
If you feel your current issue is a results of installing
a Service Pack or security update, please contact
Microsoft Product Support Services:
http://support.microsoft.com
If the problem can be shown to have been caused by a
security update, then there is usually no charge for the call.
==============================================

Tom J said:

What form? If I have a form, I don't know. I have a table inside another table to give a picture
frame look to the site.
The duplicate meta tags are really not duplicate. It take 3 different kind to get different
browsers to load a fresh page each time since many pages in the site change often. Full online
pages on the site have title tag & meta description filled in. I added to missing closing /html
tag.

There are many errors on every page in the site. That's the reason I am trying to see if it's
possible to validate FP 2003 generated pages that also have some design input. I have found that
over half my errors are FP generated.

I would not think the banner would need any more header info than it already has since it's
included within another page with every use. Am I wrong?
Thanks,
Tom J

The main page and banner page has lots of real critical user created errors (not FP generated
at all)
- Largest one is no form tag surrounding the form
- Duplicate meta tags
<meta http-equiv="expires" content="0">
<meta http-equiv="expires" content="Sun, Dec 31 1970 12:00:00 GMT">
- Empty Title tag
- and missing closing </html> tag

Put either http://www.fleetwoodclub.org/banner3.htm or
http://www.fleetwoodclub.org/newpage_blank.htm in the single page validator
at
http://www.doctor-html.com/RxHTML/cgi-bin/single.cgi
--

_____________________________________________
SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
"Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:

http://www.frontpagemvps.com/FrontPageNewsGroups/tabid/53/Default.aspx
_____________________________________________

| The banner page passes validation and you only have a couple of errors on
| the page it's included in. It shouldn't be too hard to clean it up.
|
| --
| ~ Kathleen Anderson
| Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| Spider Web Woman Designs
| web: http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
|
|
| | > http://www.fleetwoodclub.org/newpage_blank.htm
| > This is the blank page I used to try to get it to validate.
| >
| > http://www.fleetwoodclub.org/banner3.htm
| > This is the include that is at the top of the blank page
| > Tom J
| >
| > message | >> Tom:
| >> Pages that include the "include" component can validate. What's the URL
| >> of the page you're trying to validate?
| >>
| >> --
| >> ~ Kathleen Anderson
| >> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| >> Spider Web Woman Designs
| >> web: http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
| >>
| >>
| >> | >>>
| >>> message | >>>> Your DOCTYPE statement is fine - using a different one won't help. It's
| >>>> the HTML in your page that's invalid.
| >>>
| >>> After just trying for 2 days to validate a single page of my site that
| >>> is a simple table page with an "include" banner/drop down index, I've
| >>> reached the conclusion that there is no way to validate a page when FP
| >>> 2003 is being used. Closing tags will be moved and names used that don't
| >>> validate, especially when inserting the "include". I did validate the
| >>> banner/drop down index, but I did it with another html editor. How wrong
| >>> am I?
| >>>
| >>> Tom J
| >>>
| >>
| >>
| >
| >
|
|

Click to expand...

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Doc Type in FrontPage Webs	1	Aug 12, 2004
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doctype (again)	3	Dec 17, 2005
Which version of FrontPage makes a code which validates	8	Nov 3, 2005
DocType	1	Jan 27, 2009
php	4	Jul 20, 2009

doctype choice?

Spyder2

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Tom J

Kathleen Anderson [MVP - FrontPage]

Tom J

Kathleen Anderson [MVP - FrontPage]

p c

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Tom J

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