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Scott Melendez
Does Office 2004 read/load the fonts in the /Applications/Microsoft Office
2004/Office/Fonts folder?
2004/Office/Fonts folder?
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Corentin Cras-Méneur
Scott Melendez said:
As far as I know, it's only used to re-install the fonts to
~/Library/Fonts when they're not present there.
Corentin
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John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]
Hi Scott:
The short answer is "Yes". As you know, this is a complex subject, about
which we should be hearing more in the not too distant future.
Service Pack 2 has, as far as I know, made no changes to this yet, since
we're not quite sure what's causing the issues. They have tidied up a lot
of crash/hang problems.
Simplistically, the rules are these:
1) When installing/re-installing Office will reload all of its fonts into
the Fonts folder. It uses that as a backup in case any of the ones it or
the user needs disappear from the active font folders.
2) On Application start, each application checks to see that the fonts it
"needs" are available. If not, it re-populates the System font folder from
the backup.
3) You can customise this behaviour. Read the Office Resource Kit to find
out how.
The list of "needed" fonts is quite short: Beth tells me this list is the
ones we currently know about:
Arial
Batang
Gulim
Hiragino Kaku Gothic Pro W3
Lucida Grande
MS PMincho
MS Gothic
MS Mincho
MS Pgothic
MT Extra
PmingLiu
Simsun
Symbol
Times New Roman
Verdana
Wingding
If you remove/disable any of those you will have stability/weird issues with
various Office applications.
Hope this helps
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Sydney, Australia +61 4 1209 1410
The short answer is "Yes". As you know, this is a complex subject, about
which we should be hearing more in the not too distant future.
Service Pack 2 has, as far as I know, made no changes to this yet, since
we're not quite sure what's causing the issues. They have tidied up a lot
of crash/hang problems.
Simplistically, the rules are these:
1) When installing/re-installing Office will reload all of its fonts into
the Fonts folder. It uses that as a backup in case any of the ones it or
the user needs disappear from the active font folders.
2) On Application start, each application checks to see that the fonts it
"needs" are available. If not, it re-populates the System font folder from
the backup.
3) You can customise this behaviour. Read the Office Resource Kit to find
out how.
The list of "needed" fonts is quite short: Beth tells me this list is the
ones we currently know about:
Arial
Batang
Gulim
Hiragino Kaku Gothic Pro W3
Lucida Grande
MS PMincho
MS Gothic
MS Mincho
MS Pgothic
MT Extra
PmingLiu
Simsun
Symbol
Times New Roman
Verdana
Wingding
If you remove/disable any of those you will have stability/weird issues with
various Office applications.
Hope this helps
--
Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.
John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer
Sydney, Australia +61 4 1209 1410
M
MacFan
We were having problems with the fonts when we tried to use a network
account with limited space. We removed the DO Fonts file and
prevented MS Word from uploading the fonts to each users account. This
seemed to address our space issue and we have had no adverse problems
with the program functioning properly. (That is except for our
inability to save a document to the network!!!) Has anything been done
about that?? I was hoping service Pack 2 would address the issue, but
apparently not.
RJS
account with limited space. We removed the DO Fonts file and
prevented MS Word from uploading the fonts to each users account. This
seemed to address our space issue and we have had no adverse problems
with the program functioning properly. (That is except for our
inability to save a document to the network!!!) Has anything been done
about that?? I was hoping service Pack 2 would address the issue, but
apparently not.
RJS
John McGhie [MVP - Word said:
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John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]
Hi:
What *was* your question?
Yes, Office does use its fonts folder to "replace" missing fonts. You will
get error messages, particularly from PowerPoint, if you do what you have
done and PowerPoint needs a font that is not installed.
I would also suggest that if disk space available to the user is so tight
that the space consumed by the Office fonts is a problem, you are likely to
have instability/freezing/crashing problems that will probably worry you a
lot more than the fonts errors Unix and Word both like to spread
themselves around a bit when they're working
Is anything being done about the "Can't save to server" issue? It certainly
is. Microsoft is working hard on it. They had hoped to include a fix for
it in SP2, but unfortunately, it's still not quite clear what's causing it
(it seems to be a combination of several things). We had all hoped that
Apple would have issued a fix by now, but they haven't either!
From discussions in this group, one thing that appears to produce the
problem is if the same server volume appears more than once in the Finder
(e.g. The user has two folders or shares mounted in the Finder and they are
on the same server). Some people report that it appears likely to occur if
there is a difference in the capitalisation of any of the letters in the
path or file name of a file that is open on a server (remember, Unix paths
file names are case-sensitive). But we find some users reporting the
problem with computers to which this doesn't apply either. It's all
speculation at the moment.
For that reason, Microsoft is still vigorously seeking full details of the
computers affected by the bug: they need the information to help them find
the problem. Email me offline and I will tell you what to collect and how
to get it to them.
Cheers
--
Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.
John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer
Sydney, Australia +61 4 1209 1410
What *was* your question?
Yes, Office does use its fonts folder to "replace" missing fonts. You will
get error messages, particularly from PowerPoint, if you do what you have
done and PowerPoint needs a font that is not installed.
I would also suggest that if disk space available to the user is so tight
that the space consumed by the Office fonts is a problem, you are likely to
have instability/freezing/crashing problems that will probably worry you a
lot more than the fonts errors
Unix and Word both like to spreadthemselves around a bit when they're working
Is anything being done about the "Can't save to server" issue? It certainly
is. Microsoft is working hard on it. They had hoped to include a fix for
it in SP2, but unfortunately, it's still not quite clear what's causing it
(it seems to be a combination of several things). We had all hoped that
Apple would have issued a fix by now, but they haven't either!
From discussions in this group, one thing that appears to produce the
problem is if the same server volume appears more than once in the Finder
(e.g. The user has two folders or shares mounted in the Finder and they are
on the same server). Some people report that it appears likely to occur if
there is a difference in the capitalisation of any of the letters in the
path or file name of a file that is open on a server (remember, Unix paths
file names are case-sensitive). But we find some users reporting the
problem with computers to which this doesn't apply either. It's all
speculation at the moment.
For that reason, Microsoft is still vigorously seeking full details of the
computers affected by the bug: they need the information to help them find
the problem. Email me offline and I will tell you what to collect and how
to get it to them.
Cheers
--
Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.
John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer
Sydney, Australia +61 4 1209 1410