Download Templates

[ae6dx]

I see I can download clip art for office 2008 but why not templates? I tried a template and it complains about Active X.

 

[Beth Rosengard]

You were downloading from the Office for Windows site, right? Active X
controls do not work on the Mac ... at all. Some of the templates designed
for Windows Word *will* work and others will not. To work around some of
these issues (not counting the Active X issue), see this article:

<http://word.mvps.org/mac/Using-Windows-Templates.html>

Note, however, that the link at the top to Mactopia will not be helpful at
this time: the site is in transition.

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[Gary]

Why are the templates on the Microsoft Office website being locked to only Office 2007 Windows, when 2008 Mac is supposed to be the same/compatible based on the same file structure and features?

 

[John McGhie]

Hi Gary:

They are not "locked" in most cases. However, Office 2007 has an automatic
installer that runs in Windows. To use them on the Mac, you have to do the
installation manually. The instructions for using PC Word templates in Mac
Word are here:
http://word.mvps.org/mac/Using-Windows-Templates.html

Please not that any Word 2007 templates that rely on features that Word 2008
doesn't have, won't work. There is no indication of this, you just have to
try them.

However, your post is making several assumptions that are not exactly true.
When discussing the two products, particularly before an audience that are
not all skilled computer professionals, we need to be very careful about
what we say, otherwise we will mislead people and they will get a nasty
shock.

1) Office 2008 is NOT supposed to be "the same" as Office 2007. It isn't,
and Microsoft never said it was. Office 2008 is a substantial cut-down of
Office 2007. Many Office 2007 functions are changed or missing in Office
2008, and some are not needed because Mac OS X has them built-in.

2) Office 2008 is not "based on the same features" as Office 2007. Office
2008 is new code, written for the Intel Macintosh. That code was designed
to have "most" of the same functions and features as Office 2007. But by no
means all of them. And Office 2007 does not have all of the features of
Office 2008, either. They are different products, designed for different
markets.

3) Yes, Office 2008 uses the same file structure as Office 2007. However,
the file structure is a "language". Whether Office 2008 can correctly
process the content of a given file, depends upon what that language says.
Office 2007 is capable of producing artefacts that Office 2008 cannot fully
edit. In those cases, Office 2008 will down-convert the artefact into an
artefact it can work with.

Returning to your Templates question, many Word 2007 templates contain VBA
macros. If they do, they will not work in Office 2008, because Office 2008
has no VBA interpreter. Some Office 2007 templates contain Visio
illustrations. If they do, they "may not" work in Office 2008. Some Office
2007 templates rely in the PC's encryption feature. These will not work in
Office 2008.

Generically, anything that says it is for Word 2003 or earlier is worth a
try. All of them will work, unless they contain macros. Word 2007
templates will nearly all work, but the results may be a bit unpredictable
if they contain Document Parts that Word 2008 does not have.

Try a few out: you will soon work out which ones are useable and which ones
are not

Cheers

Why are the templates on the Microsoft Office website being locked to only
Office 2007 Windows, when 2008 Mac is supposed to be the same/compatible based
on the same file structure and features?

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[Gary]

My only concern is that we are unable to download them as many of the templates need Office Genuine Advantage. How do we get this to work with Office Mac or get aditional templates.

 

[John McGhie]

Damn!! They've mended the fence!!

Daiya, we need to take down the article that tells people how to do this,
until we can get it fixed.

Wow!! The destruction is TOTAL!!

The bottom line (now...) is "If you do not have access to a copy of Windows
Office, you will have to ask a friend to download it for you and send it to
you."

The PC office website had a hole in the fence: when you tried to download,
it would complain that you were on a Mac and then let you in anyway.

I guess the unreasonable sods are now taking the view that since we haven't
paid for them, we can't have them!! We are being steered off to the
Mactopia site that is constructed just for Mac users. Problem is, the
Mactopia site is totally pooched right now: all of the Templates have
disappeared!

Sorry about this: We will get onto them to have that fixed, but it may not
happen immediately. Allow at least a week.

Cheers

My only concern is that we are unable to download them as many of the
templates need Office Genuine Advantage. How do we get this to work with
Office Mac or get aditional templates.

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[John McGhie]

All:

I have just discovered that Microsoft has repaired the hole in the back
fence through which we used to be able to get into the Office 2007
Downloads.

Sadly, the ONLY way to get an Office 2007 template now is to have a copy of
Office 2007. One you or a friend has downloaded the template, it should
work fine in Mac Office.

Cheers

Hi Gary:

They are not "locked" in most cases. However, Office 2007 has an automatic
installer that runs in Windows. To use them on the Mac, you have to do the
installation manually. The instructions for using PC Word templates in Mac
Word are here:
http://word.mvps.org/mac/Using-Windows-Templates.html

Please not that any Word 2007 templates that rely on features that Word 2008
doesn't have, won't work. There is no indication of this, you just have to
try them.

However, your post is making several assumptions that are not exactly true.
When discussing the two products, particularly before an audience that are
not all skilled computer professionals, we need to be very careful about
what we say, otherwise we will mislead people and they will get a nasty
shock.

1) Office 2008 is NOT supposed to be "the same" as Office 2007. It isn't,
and Microsoft never said it was. Office 2008 is a substantial cut-down of
Office 2007. Many Office 2007 functions are changed or missing in Office
2008, and some are not needed because Mac OS X has them built-in.

2) Office 2008 is not "based on the same features" as Office 2007. Office
2008 is new code, written for the Intel Macintosh. That code was designed
to have "most" of the same functions and features as Office 2007. But by no
means all of them. And Office 2007 does not have all of the features of
Office 2008, either. They are different products, designed for different
markets.

3) Yes, Office 2008 uses the same file structure as Office 2007. However,
the file structure is a "language". Whether Office 2008 can correctly
process the content of a given file, depends upon what that language says.
Office 2007 is capable of producing artefacts that Office 2008 cannot fully
edit. In those cases, Office 2008 will down-convert the artefact into an
artefact it can work with.

Returning to your Templates question, many Word 2007 templates contain VBA
macros. If they do, they will not work in Office 2008, because Office 2008
has no VBA interpreter. Some Office 2007 templates contain Visio
illustrations. If they do, they "may not" work in Office 2008. Some Office
2007 templates rely in the PC's encryption feature. These will not work in
Office 2008.

Generically, anything that says it is for Word 2003 or earlier is worth a
try. All of them will work, unless they contain macros. Word 2007
templates will nearly all work, but the results may be a bit unpredictable
if they contain Document Parts that Word 2008 does not have.

Try a few out: you will soon work out which ones are useable and which ones
are not

Cheers

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McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
http://jgmcghie.fastmail.com.au/
Sydney, Australia. S33°53'34.20 E151°14'54.50
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]

 

[Jim Bridges]

I wondered where the templates were. Does anyone else here feel like a 2nd class citizen in Windows World?

 

[Phillip Jones]

Sure I do as well, but that doesn't stop me. I know I am using the
better system and don't have the headache of 5-10 thousand viri,
trogans, or worms, staring at me each day.

I wondered where the templates were. Does anyone else here feel like a
2nd class citizen in Windows World?

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[John McGhie]

Hi Jim:

This is a "stuff-up", not a conspiracy. The Mac Templates will be back,
they just broke the website.

Cheers

I wondered where the templates were. Does anyone else here feel like a 2nd
class citizen in Windows World?

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+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]

 

[Gary]

This is just an example of Microsoft treating its MAC users as a second class user. Personally, i believe that Office for Mac and Office for Windows should in as much as possible be the same with simular features and compatibility.

For example, at the college that I work at the students in the Honors program receive Macs but then can not use Access as might be required for one of their classes.

I think that they should have taken the time and care to include compatible scripting or translators for automatic tasks that would work on both platforms. I.E. Excel's Solver

There should be more direct crossover of features and they should be but one Office Website on Microsoft with shared resources and templates.

 

[Phillip Jones]

Yes I agree with you that MicroSoft treats Mac users as second class
citizen. Its been that way since college days, when Steve Jobs, and
Steve Wozniak refused to allow Bill Gates to partner with them when they
first started Apple. He never got over it and was determined to run
Apple in the Ground. He almost succeeded, several times. But lately
Apple has gained a bigger hold on the Market.

But the reality now is that The MacBU knew full well years in advance
that the VBA system would eventually break and made no effort to convert
over to applescript.

Of course many of us (like myself) has never used VBA, and have had
macros turned off due to virus concerns since Word and and Excel95. So I
don't miss it. I even asked what solver is and does, was pointed to a
website and read it. I still scratch my head trying to figure out the
benefits.

Each time a situation comes up like this where college students can't
use certain features because of the platform used; I ca visualize Mr.
Gates developing a smirk and a gleam in his eye. ;-)

Despite, the current deficiencies, Office2008 is still a Great product.
IF you'll voice your concerns on feedback page Maybe if enough
complaints are lodge an alternative will be added.

This is just an example of Microsoft treating its MAC users as a second
class user. Personally, i believe that Office for Mac and Office for
Windows should in as much as possible be the same with similar features
and compatibility.

For example, at the college that I work at the students in the Honors
program receive Macs but then can not use Access as might be required
for one of their classes.

I think that they should have taken the time and care to include
compatible scripting or translators for automatic tasks that would work
on both platforms. I.E. Excel's Solver

There should be more direct crossover of features and they should be but
one Office Website on Microsoft with shared resources and templates.

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Martinsville Va 24112 |[email protected], ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet
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[John McGhie]

Actually, "No"

This particular PITA is simply an outrageously DUMB screw-up by someone at
Microsoft.

Normal service will be resumed, as soon as a few people get back from
holidays and get their buts kicked.

There will be one or two people working standing up for a week or so over
this one

Cheers

This is just an example of Microsoft treating its MAC users as a second class
user. Personally, i believe that Office for Mac and Office for Windows should
in as much as possible be the same with simular features and compatibility.

For example, at the college that I work at the students in the Honors program
receive Macs but then can not use Access as might be required for one of their
classes.

I think that they should have taken the time and care to include compatible
scripting or translators for automatic tasks that would work on both
platforms. I.E. Excel's Solver

There should be more direct crossover of features and they should be but one
Office Website on Microsoft with shared resources and templates.

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Sydney, Australia. S33°53'34.20 E151°14'54.50
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]

 

[Guest]

You can get templates on Mactopia at

 

[daniel]

 

[daniel]

 

[Darika&Souaychanhta]

 

[John McGhie]

Sorry, the test of your message didn't make it.

Please repeat it.



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[Marc]

How to save a Word template (.dot) into Word Ducument (.doc)?

Many Thanks!

 

[John McGhie]

Guys and Girls:

Please don't tack your questions onto someone else's thread. There's too
great a chance that we will miss the new question!

The answer to this question (which is noting to do with Download
Templates...) is:

* You cannot "save as" from .dot to .doc. A Template file has a different
internal file structure. It's like an apple vs an orange: different thing
inside.

What you need to do is "create" a document "from" a template.

To do this, in Word 2008, simply double-click the .dot file. Word will open
and there will be a document on the screen, save that under a different
name.

If you are not using Word 2008, come back and tell us what you are using:
the answers are different

Cheers

How to save a Word template (.dot) into Word Ducument (.doc)?

Many Thanks!

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