downloading from a non-fp ws, then re-publishing to that site

[revron]

my ws was prepared by another person using ws hosting tools from the ws
provider. i've downloaded that ws to my local disk and also made a backup
copy elsewhere on my local disk.

if i now publish from my local fp ws to the net's ws, will all files be
exactly the same (i've made no changes)??? or, does fp add its own web stuff
to my online ws???

and, if fp does add stuff to my ws, might that destroy the use by the other
creator person who originally made the website? that is, might he no longer
be able to maintain the site using his supplier provided web tools?

i'm asking these ?s *prior* to my trying to simply using fp to do a *publish
website* to my online website location in the case i might munge the
creator's work. he has no backup of his work. and, although i have a backup
and have also created a cd of the website, who really knows if my backup
works until we try. and if the original ws gets destroyed, i may have lost
my choir director as well! (he created our ws.)

hmmmm. just thinking some more: it would be really nice to try to *restore*
my ws to some other location to make sure it would work on the web. then i
could be pretty sure my b/u works beofe really needing to use it.

ron

 

[Ronx]

Does the web have FrontPage extensions? If so, using any editor other than
FrontPage will corrupt the extensions. If the site does not have
extensions, then there will only be one problem - FrontPage will not be
able to tell which files were published, and which have not been changed.
The actual functioning of the web (as far as visitors are concerned) will
not be damaged.

If you publish to an extended web site, FP will have already add edits own
files to the site. If there are no extensions you will publish using FTP,
and this method does not add anything.

 

[E. T. Culling]

Have you lost the ability to use capital letters? This is sure difficult to
read.

 

[revron]

yes, the ws has fp extensions. up until now, the creator of the ws used
tools supplied by the ws provider to manage the ws. from your post, it seems
that this would have destroyed the fp extensions on the ws ... but they are
shown as enabled.

ron

 

[P@tty Ayers]

I hear you, Eleanor. I usually just skip over questions that are
written in teen shorthand; they just take too long to read.

 

[revron]

you two are sooooooooooo cute! you folks use emoticons, strange chars in
your name and all those are ok. but have somebody use something u odn't ...

i model my writing after quite a famous poet and have done so for the past
18 years when i worked on early web projects as a unix consultant.

sorry that l/c is troublesome; ur right not to read such dribble.

best,

ron

 

[E. T. Culling]

so, u don't wnt to commun. tooooo goooood dooo u?

 

[Ronx]

I agree with Pattie and Eleanor - your style of writing takes a very long
time to decipher - more than I usually like to spend on posts. That style
may be good for poetry, but is a severe handicap for technical discussion.

The extensions may be installed, but they are corrupted.

 

[P@tty Ayers]

i model my writing after quite a famous poet and have done so for the past
18 years when i worked on early web projects as a unix consultant.

Wow, you're an adult and a professional? My apologies, I had no idea - I
assumed you were a teen or pre-teen.

 

[Tom Willett]

Whomever the poet is, remind me not to read his/her works ;-)

Tom

|
| |
| > i model my writing after quite a famous poet and have done so for the
past
| > 18 years when i worked on early web projects as a unix consultant.
|
| Wow, you're an adult and a professional? My apologies, I had no idea - I
| assumed you were a teen or pre-teen.
|
|
| --
| Patty Ayers | www.WebDevBiz.com
| Free Articles on the Business of Web Development
| Web Design Contract, Estimate Request Form, Estimate Worksheet
| --
|
|

 

[Bob Lehmann]

I imagine that revron fancies himself a neo ee cummings.

Despite ee's lack of capitalization, I'm sure he was quite clear on the
difference between 'drivel', and revron's "dribble".

And then revron dribbled this.....revron - i wuld rilly like 2 se 1 o yr sites from 1988.

Bob Lehmann

 

[Steve Easton]

Depends upon the question and the information it contains.
What is "your" question??

 

[Marcy]

I am on this site looking for an answer to a question for a work project. Is
this site always so unprofessional. I have never seen such criticism leveled
at someone who is obviously trying to just get some help, whether young, old,
stylistic or otherwise.

 

[Marcy]

I have a FP discussion group that I am getting ready to put into production.
This is at a hospital and the group is for doctors. I want to be able to
"backup" the development site in the future before I make any changes that
would go into production. In a test we did a while back I found out that a
"thoughtless" change on the dev side published into production could cause
the threads to no longer appear on the contents page. I cannot afford for
that to EVER happen again when we go "live" with this. I am trying to make
sure I can cover myself before the fact.

Any thoughts?

 

[Tom Willett]

Since the discussion threads would exist on the production site, not the
development site, you would over write the production site if publishing
with the development site. Thus, you must backup the production site.
--
===
Tom Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
---
FrontPage Support:
http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
===
|I have a FP discussion group that I am getting ready to put into
production.
| This is at a hospital and the group is for doctors. I want to be able to
| "backup" the development site in the future before I make any changes that
| would go into production. In a test we did a while back I found out that
a
| "thoughtless" change on the dev side published into production could cause
| the threads to no longer appear on the contents page. I cannot afford for
| that to EVER happen again when we go "live" with this. I am trying to
make
| sure I can cover myself before the fact.
|
| Any thoughts?
|
| "Steve Easton" wrote:
|
| > Depends upon the question and the information it contains.
| > What is "your" question??
| >
| >
| > --
| > Steve Easton
| > Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| >
| > | > > I am on this site looking for an answer to a question for a work
project. Is
| > > this site always so unprofessional. I have never seen such criticism
leveled
| > > at someone who is obviously trying to just get some help, whether
young, old,
| > > stylistic or otherwise.
| > >
| > > "Bob Lehmann" wrote:
| > >
| > > > I imagine that revron fancies himself a neo ee cummings.
| > > >
| > > > Despite ee's lack of capitalization, I'm sure he was quite clear on
the
| > > > difference between 'drivel', and revron's "dribble".
| > > > >> sorry that l/c is troublesome; ur right not to read such dribble.
| > > >
| > > >
| > > > And then revron dribbled this.....
| > > > >> done so for the past 18 years when i worked on early web projects
| > > > revron - i wuld rilly like 2 se 1 o yr sites from 1988.
| > > >
| > > > Bob Lehmann
| > > >
| > > > | > > > > Whomever the poet is, remind me not to read his/her works ;-)
| > > > >
| > > > > Tom
| > > > >
| > > > > | > > > > |
| > > > > | | > > > > |
| > > > > | > i model my writing after quite a famous poet and have done so
for the
| > > > > past
| > > > > | > 18 years when i worked on early web projects as a unix
consultant.
| > > > > |
| > > > > | Wow, you're an adult and a professional? My apologies, I had no
idea - I
| > > > > | assumed you were a teen or pre-teen.
| > > > > |
| > > > > |
| > > > > | --
| > > > > | Patty Ayers | www.WebDevBiz.com
| > > > > | Free Articles on the Business of Web Development
| > > > > | Web Design Contract, Estimate Request Form, Estimate Worksheet
| > > > > | --
| > > > > |
| > > > > |
| > > > >
| > > > >
| > > >
| > > >
| > > >
| >
| >
| >

 

[Marcy]

1) My question is "how to" backup. I don't seem to be able to just copy the
directory and still have a working site.

And your response leads me to another question.

2) If I make a change to the dev side and republish and it overwrites the
existing entries, how/where do you make design changes, etc. if needed?

 

[Stefan B Rusynko]

1) If using the FP DW
- Make it a subweb (never a part of any other root or subweb)
2) You can not back it up
(the DW indexes are saved by the FP SE on the server running the DW and can not be "restored")
- you must publish it w/ FP from Live to test server , edit it and the publish back or edit it Only on the live server in FP
(in interim any changes made by users on live DW will be lost)
--

_____________________________________________
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"Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
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_____________________________________________


| 1) My question is "how to" backup. I don't seem to be able to just copy the
| directory and still have a working site.
|
| And your response leads me to another question.
|
| 2) If I make a change to the dev side and republish and it overwrites the
| existing entries, how/where do you make design changes, etc. if needed?
|
| "Tom Willett" wrote:
|
| > Since the discussion threads would exist on the production site, not the
| > development site, you would over write the production site if publishing
| > with the development site. Thus, you must backup the production site.
| > --
| > ===
| > Tom Willett
| > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| > ---
| > FrontPage Support:
| > http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
| > ===
| > | > |I have a FP discussion group that I am getting ready to put into
| > production.
| > | This is at a hospital and the group is for doctors. I want to be able to
| > | "backup" the development site in the future before I make any changes that
| > | would go into production. In a test we did a while back I found out that
| > a
| > | "thoughtless" change on the dev side published into production could cause
| > | the threads to no longer appear on the contents page. I cannot afford for
| > | that to EVER happen again when we go "live" with this. I am trying to
| > make
| > | sure I can cover myself before the fact.
| > |
| > | Any thoughts?
| > |
| > | "Steve Easton" wrote:
| > |
| > | > Depends upon the question and the information it contains.
| > | > What is "your" question??
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > Steve Easton
| > | > Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| > | >
| > | > | > | > > I am on this site looking for an answer to a question for a work
| > project. Is
| > | > > this site always so unprofessional. I have never seen such criticism
| > leveled
| > | > > at someone who is obviously trying to just get some help, whether
| > young, old,
| > | > > stylistic or otherwise.
| > | > >
| > | > > "Bob Lehmann" wrote:
| > | > >
| > | > > > I imagine that revron fancies himself a neo ee cummings.
| > | > > >
| > | > > > Despite ee's lack of capitalization, I'm sure he was quite clear on
| > the
| > | > > > difference between 'drivel', and revron's "dribble".
| > | > > > >> sorry that l/c is troublesome; ur right not to read such dribble.
| > | > > >
| > | > > >
| > | > > > And then revron dribbled this.....
| > | > > > >> done so for the past 18 years when i worked on early web projects
| > | > > > revron - i wuld rilly like 2 se 1 o yr sites from 1988.
| > | > > >
| > | > > > Bob Lehmann
| > | > > >
| > | > > > | > | > > > > Whomever the poet is, remind me not to read his/her works ;-)
| > | > > > >
| > | > > > > Tom
| > | > > > >
| > | > > > > | > | > > > > |
| > | > > > > | | > | > > > > |
| > | > > > > | > i model my writing after quite a famous poet and have done so
| > for the
| > | > > > > past
| > | > > > > | > 18 years when i worked on early web projects as a unix
| > consultant.
| > | > > > > |
| > | > > > > | Wow, you're an adult and a professional? My apologies, I had no
| > idea - I
| > | > > > > | assumed you were a teen or pre-teen.
| > | > > > > |
| > | > > > > |
| > | > > > > | --
| > | > > > > | Patty Ayers | www.WebDevBiz.com
| > | > > > > | Free Articles on the Business of Web Development
| > | > > > > | Web Design Contract, Estimate Request Form, Estimate Worksheet
| > | > > > > | --
| > | > > > > |
| > | > > > > |
| > | > > > >
| > | > > > >
| > | > > >
| > | > > >
| > | > > >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| >
| >
| >

 

[P@tty Ayers]

I am on this site looking for an answer to a question for a work project.
Is
this site always so unprofessional. I have never seen such criticism
leveled
at someone who is obviously trying to just get some help, whether young,
old,
stylistic or otherwise.

If asking people to at least do their best to write in a way that is
readable, is your definition of "unprofessional", then, yes, it may often be
like that.

 

[Marcy]

It seems to me there would be a way to ask someone to write a little
differently without being rude. The responses I saw were quite sarcastic,
demeaning to the writer rather than method of writing.

 

[Andrew Murray]

Did you actually receive a (helpful) answer to your question?

If not, here goes:

If the server doesn't have the FPSE, you can use (1) an FTP utility (such as
CuteFTP etc) or (2) the FTP mode in Frontpage to transfer the files from
the server to your PC.

Using option (1) you would open the FTP proram, and connect to the server as
per the procedure for that program (I will assume you already have the login
information for the server etc)

Using option (2) you'd open the FP web in the same way as normal (File >
Open Web) and the exception is, you won't publish via HTTP, but instead,
when you File > Publish Site, you would put the FTP server location in the
'remote server properties' dialogue, under the FTP option. Then click the
'publish' button and all should procede as usual.

Hopefully you have by now solved this issue, otherwise hoping this assists
you.

It seems to me there would be a way to ask someone to write a little
differently without being rude. The responses I saw were quite sarcastic,
demeaning to the writer rather than method of writing.