Earlier versions of a document

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David18

Version: 2008
Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard)

I have created a document and saved it. Then I edited and then saved as the same document. Is it possible if I didn't save each version of the document under a different name to retrieve earlier versions of the document.

Thank you.
 
R

Rob Schneider

No. Sorry.

(unless you saved into a document management system which does
transparent versioning for you. Or if you have on your Mac Apple's Time
Machine running so that you can go back to previous versions of the same
file that Time Machine took for backup).

--rms

www.rmschneider.com
 
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Jeff_Chapman

Word for Windows (since version 2000, as I recall) had a versioning feature that saved the different revisions within the same file, and allowed you to compare versions. Not sure if Word 2007 includes the same - I stopped using the feature years ago, after I had some file instability issues.

If you want to do the same thing on Word 2008 for Mac, you'll need to save each version with a separate file name. You can then use the Tools - Track Changes - Compare Documents feature to see where changes have been made, comparing file A with file B.

If you use this approach, I suggest appending a version number or letter to the end of each file name, to keep track of the revisions. It may even be more convenient to do it this way than to have your entire document revision history located within a single document.

Also, for changes in a collaborative environment where multiple users are editing the same document (at different times, of course), you can use Tools - Track Changes - Highlight Changes to keep a record within the document. It can get pretty messy-looking, though, and it also won't help you much if you want to see revisions in a chronological order.

Jeff
 
J

John McGhie

No it's not.

The others are correct: the Versioning feature has been withdrawn because it
corrupted too many documents :)

Time Machine does a pretty good job, and it's free :)

Cheers


Version: 2008
Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard)

I have created a document and saved it. Then I edited and then saved as the
same document. Is it possible if I didn't save each version of the document
under a different name to retrieve earlier versions of the document.

Thank you.

This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
matters unless you intend to pay!

--

John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]
 
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Jeff_Chapman

Time Machine works fine for incremental backups, but in this scenario you may conceivably end up saving a version that Time Machine does not backup, if you miss the regular Time Machine backup timing.

The Time Machine preferences pane states that backups are done "hourly", so there is the possibility that a "version" of the same file you save will be ignored completely by Time Machine, especially if you use the very same file name. At least that's how it seems to me.

Of course, if there is some way to adjust the frequency of Time Machine backups, this may indeed become a viable option as John pointed out.

Since Word already contains document comparison features, I really think that it would be best to just save different iterations using file names appended with sequences like v1, v2 or perhaps -a, -b, -c or the likes. I do this all the time, and more often than not I find that there is little reason to go back to a previous version anyway.

This is kind of off the topic, but it seems that web technologies like Wikipedia (or wikis in general) may be good solutions for versioning of short to medium-length documents. I understand that there is a browser-based Office available (of course, Google Docs is just such an application) - I wonder if these services will offer versioning technology in wiki-style.

Jeff
 
R

Rob Schneider

You are quite right about Time Machine.

I'm kinda lucky in that I have access to SharePoint and I store
all my versions there. The main purpose is for collaboration.

My hunch using Google Docs would work generically too. Haven't tried
it but am guessing it does versioning.

--rms

www.rmschneider.com
 
J

John McGhie

Hi Jeff:

Yes, you can adjust the Time Machine backup Interval, see here:
http://www.tuaw.com/2008/12/08/terminal-tip-change-time-machine-backup-inter
val/

But my advice, for the vast majority of users, is "JUST DON'T DO IT" :)

If you are already a system administrator comfortable with administering the
backup strategy for a large system, then by all means have at it. But each
change you make has knock-on effects, and you could end up with a very slow
system, or no backup at all.

So my strong advice is "leaveitalone", and that's what I do :)

Most users who "lose a version" do so because they edit the document at
least a day after they created the original. Time Machine will protect
perfectly against that.

Time Machine electronically implements the conventional "Grandfather,
Father, Child" system of hierarchical incremental and full backups known
well by corporate system administrators.

Users who need greater protection than that are people who might have a
critical even happen at any time: police, air traffic controllers, military
forces, that kind of thing. For that kind of requirement there is a
different kind of machine altogether, known as a "Streaming Backup".

A streaming backup makes a copy to a different disk at each save of any
file. You get 100% protection. But you need to know what you are doing
when you set one up :)

Many large corporations have a streaming backup set up, although the
machinery is not prohibitively expensive so it's quite practical for people
such as film animators to set one up for a single workstation.

Cheers


Time Machine works fine for incremental backups, but in this scenario you may
conceivably end up saving a version that Time Machine does not backup, if you
miss the regular Time Machine backup timing.

The Time Machine preferences pane states that backups are done "hourly", so
there is the possibility that a "version" of the same file you save will be
ignored completely by Time Machine, especially if you use the very same file
name. At least that's how it seems to me.

Of course, if there is some way to adjust the frequency of Time Machine
backups, this may indeed become a viable option as John pointed out.

Since Word already contains document comparison features, I really think that
it would be best to just save different iterations using file names appended
with sequences like v1, v2 or perhaps -a, -b, -c or the likes. I do this all
the time, and more often than not I find that there is little reason to go
back to a previous version anyway.

This is kind of off the topic, but it seems that web technologies like
Wikipedia (or wikis in general) may be good solutions for versioning of short
to medium-length documents. I understand that there is a browser-based Office
available (of course, Google Docs is just such an application) - I wonder if
these services will offer versioning technology in wiki-style.

Jeff


--

This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
matters unless you intend to pay!

John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]
 

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