Ease & Enough Navigation via Publisher 2007

[karen3b]

Hi, David ~

Now that the NavBars are functional -- thanks to your instructions -- I have
a list of remaining concerns/questions. They are:
1. How to precisely place text for 'back to top' button -- (& I've
already asked this ? elsewhere);
2. How to link the internal pages that aren't listed on the NavBars;
3. Is there any need for Floating ‘click-here’ links? (Saw another thread
about floating links & don't know pros & cons.)
4. Currently have Arrows for page-to-page navigation @ the bottom of ea
page's text:
- According to websthatsuck, nav methods should be labelled & not
graphic but would text ('next' and 'back') for an arrow pointing right
(positioned on the right side of the page) or pointing left (positioned on
the left side of the page) be overkill?
- Do I need next & back navigation more frequently than @ bottom of page?


The other category of overall concern/questions has to do with handling
before-and-after photos. I've asked those elsewhere as well.

When I get those two categories of concerns resolved, then I should be ready
for a trial Publish. I hope. Unless I should run through the 2 checklists
on webpagesthatsuck first. I find that I don't have sufficient knowledge to
answer some of the questions....

 

[DavidF]

Karen,

Hey, just cuz I have been answering most of your questions doesn't mean you
have to address every post to me. Don, Spike, John and others have a lot of
knowledge about Publisher and help out here too...but since you asked.

1. As in the other post, just resize and move your code fragment box where
ever you want it.

3. Floating - forget it IMHO.

2 & 4. How to link to internal pages is an open ended conversation that
depends on what you are wanting to do and your site architecture. If your
main navbar links to sections of your site where you will have subsections,
then perhaps another navbar is appropriate. Perhaps even a wizard built one.
Or say you have a section called 'Treatments' and within that section you
have a number of different treatments, each on their own page, then you
could create a simple text box with 'Treatments' as the heading and a simple
list of the treatments under it, all linked to the appropriate pages.

Perhaps if you only want to link to one or two other pages, then just write
links to them from with the text of the page...

If because you wanted to keep the pages short but the content requires two
pages, then a simple 'continued on next page' link at the end of the text on
the bottom of the page would work.

I have also seen where there are many more pages, people adding 'page 1, 2,
3, 4, 5, 6' at the bottom of the first page of content, and at the top and
bottom of the following pages, with all the #'s linked to the appropriate
pages, except for the page that you are on.

Arrow? Yes, I would at least use the word 'next' or 'back' along with the
symbol or icon. I have also used 'back to XXX page' and an arrow plus the
words that describe a specific page. You can't assume that people will
understand what the arrow means by itself. Be sure to do a web page preview
of the arrow you are using in FF. Some of the symbols do not work in all
browsers. Or do something as simple as two small text boxes with '<< back'
or 'Next >>' and hyperlink them, or '<< whateverpagetheycamefrom' and
'whateverpageyouaregoingto >>'. These are pretty universal. Just make your
navigation clear and obvious.

Sometimes having back at both the bottom and the top of the page is nice.

If the thumbnails article doesn't answer your question about the pictures,
post a new question.

Now don't get too caught up with Web pages that suck...I was just kidding
you at bit when I brought that up.

DavidF

 

[karen3b]

You're right, David. Don & Spike have helped me too. I haven't had 'direct'
contact with John -- so I don't have an internal picture of him. I am pretty
darn impressed by the knowledge & patience of those who have helped me. If I
ever get enough knowledge/experience under my belt, I'd like to give back to
the community. I certainly am appreciating the help! <g>

Back to Nav stuff:

a) Used a combo of your suggestions for the 'lone pages': added one to the
main NavBar; used a 1-row, 6-column table + hyperlinks for the others.

b) 'back-to-top' button good 'nuff for now. Please notice those cute little
graphics in the lower right corner of this website -- the printer graphic &
the sheets-of- paper graphic? When moused over, lo 'n behold -- text! Mine
does not do that. Obviously not a crucial fx.

c) Have labelled those arrows. See above <g>

d) probably will need more navigation assists -- as well as tweaking those
already there -- before it is ready to be out there. But good 'nuff for now.

I'm now on to reading about thumbnails. Hopefully I now have a sufficient
organizational tree so that I can comprehend and implement the information.
Don't hold your breath, though! I will be back.

I'm pleased that the website is coming together as fast as it is right now.
ta DA <ltd>

Many thanks.

 

[MAURH]

Hi Karen,

If I may jump in here for a moment, maybe you would like to have a look at
how I did some of the things you are asking about? My website address is
www.devonviewcaravans.co.uk

So to try to answer your questions:
1."How to precisely place text for 'back to top' button?" As you will see
on my pages, I placed the 'back to top' text box on the right hand side of
the page, obviously at the bottom. Some people prefer to place it on the
left, but I, like the majority of people, am right handed and therefore have
my mouse on the right hand side when working, so I always find it more
natural to click on something like this if it's on the right. I made the box
very small and then placed the blue arrow just above it. You will need to do
this on every page and check with 'page preview' to make sure it all sits
nicely together.

2. "How to link the internal pages that aren't listed on the NavBars;" If
you click on 'Caravans' in the nav bar on my site, it will take you to a
page with two pictures on it. If you click on each picture, that will take
you to an internal page with more details. This was just simply done with a
hyperlink...highlight the picture or text you want to link >click on 'Add
hyperlink' at the top of your pub page >place in this document, >select the
page number, >click ok and voila!...the page is linked.

3. "Is there any need for Floating 'click-here' links?" I'm not sure I
completely understand your question, but once you have placed your 'back to
top' button it will give the word 'Top' If you want to add some sort of
arrow or other words to that you can, but I would keep it simple and
precise. Of course if your page is very long, you may want to add this link
halfway down the page.

4. "Currently have Arrows for page-to-page navigation @ the bottom of each
page's text:" I also used directional arrows for page to page navigation,
but also used some text so that the viewer could choose exactly which page
he/she navigated to. If you look at the bottom of the internal pages you
will see the text to each page...again simply done with a hyperlink.

Some of your questions appear to be about design as well as the technical
stuff, so may I suggest you have a look at this website.
http://www.webdesignfromscratch.com/ It's a very good tutorial about web
design and one I used at the start of my 'venture'. It gives very easy to
follow instructions but also explains how people view your site and what
they would look for. Knowing what people expect from your site can determine
how you build it. I found it very useful.

Hope this helps.

Maureen

 

[karen3b]

Hi, Maureen ~

Thanks for including your URL.

1) I like the arrow on the left hand bottom. For a right-hander, it is
handier -- it is tucked out of the way, and yet right where one needs it.
I'm going to check with a left-hander & see what she thinks of it. I know
that many left-handers use their right hand for mouse work.

I also like the size of text that labels the arrows. How did you get it so
small? I played with the size on my web-in-progress & checked the size on
Web Preview. Didn't matter how tiny I shrank the box, the text size was the
same. I could change what the text said. But I couldn't eliminate the text
and still have it function.

2) The way you have your internal pages links works nicely on your site.

3) My pages aren't as long as yours. Perhaps I overly restricted my
verbage...!

4) I like the 2 choices you give on your internal pages. I've never
thought about the option before. It is very clear & works well. Plus I love
the small and yet-so-clear text.

I peruse www.webdesignfromscratch/com . I know it was one of the first
sites I read -- but it feels like a long, long time ago...or at least many,
many websites ago!

Thanks again, Maureen, for giving me some more clean and clear options.

 

[MAURH]

Hi Karen,

The size of the text is determined by the font size, not the size of the box
and the font size that labels those arrows is Verdana 7. I use Verdana in
most of my text, I think it's clear and easy to read. I seem to remember the
web design tutorial saying that 'Verdana' is the most effective font for
body text and is easier to read at low resolutions. The font size in most of
the text is 9 or 10.

I have tried to make the navigation on my site as easy as possible, trying
to think where I would want to go if I were viewing it. That's why I also
put a link to the 'Prices' page on those two internal pages and if you go to
the prices page, you will see links back to both the caravan details pages.
These sort of links may not be necessary for your business, but for my
business I know it's where the viewer wants to go.

Maureen

 

[karen3b]

Hi, Maureen ~

Where did you change the font size? I tried:
1) from the .html box (fx not available);
2) by changing the font to 7 when in the text box above where I
inserted the .html code.
[It's sometimes the little things that drive me crazy!]
Thanks.

 

[MAURH]

Karen,

Which font are you trying to change?
If you are looking at the font size of the 'Top' text, that was the size
font the html code created, I didn't change that. Once you've inserted the
html code onto your page, do a 'page preview' and you should see the text.

If you're looking at the font size of the text by the directional (orange)
arrows on my internal pages, they were just created in a small text box and
I set the font size via the tool bar as usual. Then I placed the arrow by
the side of the box.

Maureen

Hi, Maureen ~

Where did you change the font size? I tried:
1) from the .html box (fx not available);
2) by changing the font to 7 when in the text box above where I
inserted the .html code.
[It's sometimes the little things that drive me crazy!]
Thanks.
--
karen3b

Hi Karen,

The size of the text is determined by the font size, not the size of the
box
and the font size that labels those arrows is Verdana 7. I use Verdana in
most of my text, I think it's clear and easy to read. I seem to remember
the
web design tutorial saying that 'Verdana' is the most effective font for
body text and is easier to read at low resolutions. The font size in most
of
the text is 9 or 10.

I have tried to make the navigation on my site as easy as possible,
trying
to think where I would want to go if I were viewing it. That's why I also
put a link to the 'Prices' page on those two internal pages and if you go
to
the prices page, you will see links back to both the caravan details
pages.
These sort of links may not be necessary for your business, but for my
business I know it's where the viewer wants to go.

Maureen

 

[karen3b]

I'm talking about the font size that shows as a result of the .html code.
The fragment I used is: <A HREF="#TOP">Back to Top</A>, which results in a
bigger font than the one that shows on your website. So I can alter the text
so all it says is "Top" (like yours), but I cannot manipulative the size so
it is as small as yours. Interesting, yes?
--
karen3b

Karen,

Which font are you trying to change?
If you are looking at the font size of the 'Top' text, that was the size
font the html code created, I didn't change that. Once you've inserted the
html code onto your page, do a 'page preview' and you should see the text.

If you're looking at the font size of the text by the directional (orange)
arrows on my internal pages, they were just created in a small text box and
I set the font size via the tool bar as usual. Then I placed the arrow by
the side of the box.

Maureen

Hi, Maureen ~

Where did you change the font size? I tried:
1) from the .html box (fx not available);
2) by changing the font to 7 when in the text box above where I
inserted the .html code.
[It's sometimes the little things that drive me crazy!]
Thanks.
--
karen3b

Hi Karen,

The size of the text is determined by the font size, not the size of the
box
and the font size that labels those arrows is Verdana 7. I use Verdana in
most of my text, I think it's clear and easy to read. I seem to remember
the
web design tutorial saying that 'Verdana' is the most effective font for
body text and is easier to read at low resolutions. The font size in most
of
the text is 9 or 10.

I have tried to make the navigation on my site as easy as possible,
trying
to think where I would want to go if I were viewing it. That's why I also
put a link to the 'Prices' page on those two internal pages and if you go
to
the prices page, you will see links back to both the caravan details
pages.
These sort of links may not be necessary for your business, but for my
business I know it's where the viewer wants to go.

Maureen






Hi, Maureen ~

Thanks for including your URL.

1) I like the arrow on the left hand bottom. For a right-hander, it
is
handier -- it is tucked out of the way, and yet right where one needs
it.
I'm going to check with a left-hander & see what she thinks of it. I
know
that many left-handers use their right hand for mouse work.

I also like the size of text that labels the arrows. How did you get
it
so
small? I played with the size on my web-in-progress & checked the size
on
Web Preview. Didn't matter how tiny I shrank the box, the text size
was
the
same. I could change what the text said. But I couldn't eliminate the
text
and still have it function.

2) The way you have your internal pages links works nicely on your
site.

3) My pages aren't as long as yours. Perhaps I overly restricted my
verbage...!

4) I like the 2 choices you give on your internal pages. I've never
thought about the option before. It is very clear & works well. Plus
I
love
the small and yet-so-clear text.

I peruse www.webdesignfromscratch/com . I know it was one of the first
sites I read -- but it feels like a long, long time ago...or at least
many,
many websites ago!

Thanks again, Maureen, for giving me some more clean and clear options.

--
karen3b


:

Hi Karen,

If I may jump in here for a moment, maybe you would like to have a
look
at
how I did some of the things you are asking about? My website address
is
www.devonviewcaravans.co.uk

So to try to answer your questions:
1."How to precisely place text for 'back to top' button?" As you will
see
on my pages, I placed the 'back to top' text box on the right hand
side
of
the page, obviously at the bottom. Some people prefer to place it on
the
left, but I, like the majority of people, am right handed and
therefore
have
my mouse on the right hand side when working, so I always find it more
natural to click on something like this if it's on the right. I made
the
box
very small and then placed the blue arrow just above it. You will need
to
do
this on every page and check with 'page preview' to make sure it all
sits
nicely together.

2. "How to link the internal pages that aren't listed on the NavBars;"
If
you click on 'Caravans' in the nav bar on my site, it will take you to
a
page with two pictures on it. If you click on each picture, that will
take
you to an internal page with more details. This was just simply done
with
a
hyperlink...highlight the picture or text you want to link >click on
'Add
hyperlink' at the top of your pub page >place in this document,
select
the
page number, >click ok and voila!...the page is linked.

3. "Is there any need for Floating 'click-here' links?" I'm not sure I
completely understand your question, but once you have placed your
'back
to
top' button it will give the word 'Top' If you want to add some sort
of
arrow or other words to that you can, but I would keep it simple and
precise. Of course if your page is very long, you may want to add this
link
halfway down the page.

4. "Currently have Arrows for page-to-page navigation @ the bottom of
each
page's text:" I also used directional arrows for page to page
navigation,
but also used some text so that the viewer could choose exactly which
page
he/she navigated to. If you look at the bottom of the internal pages
you
will see the text to each page...again simply done with a hyperlink.

Some of your questions appear to be about design as well as the
technical
stuff, so may I suggest you have a look at this website.
http://www.webdesignfromscratch.com/ It's a very good tutorial about
web
design and one I used at the start of my 'venture'. It gives very easy
to
follow instructions but also explains how people view your site and
what
they would look for. Knowing what people expect from your site can
determine
how you build it. I found it very useful.

Hope this helps.

Maureen







You're right, David. Don & Spike have helped me too. I haven't had
'direct'
contact with John -- so I don't have an internal picture of him. I
am
pretty
darn impressed by the knowledge & patience of those who have helped
me.
If I
ever get enough knowledge/experience under my belt, I'd like to give
back
to
the community. I certainly am appreciating the help! <g>

Back to Nav stuff:

a) Used a combo of your suggestions for the 'lone pages': added
one
to
the
main NavBar; used a 1-row, 6-column table + hyperlinks for the
others.

b) 'back-to-top' button good 'nuff for now. Please notice those
cute
little
graphics in the lower right corner of this website -- the printer
graphic
&
the sheets-of- paper graphic? When moused over, lo 'n behold --
text!
Mine
does not do that. Obviously not a crucial fx.

c) Have labelled those arrows. See above <g>

d) probably will need more navigation assists -- as well as tweaking
those
already there -- before it is ready to be out there. But good 'nuff
for
now.

I'm now on to reading about thumbnails. Hopefully I now have a
sufficient
organizational tree so that I can comprehend and implement the
information.
Don't hold your breath, though! I will be back.

I'm pleased that the website is coming together as fast as it is
right
now.
ta DA <ltd>

Many thanks.
--
karen3b


:

Karen,

Hey, just cuz I have been answering most of your questions doesn't
mean
you
have to address every post to me. Don, Spike, John and others have
a
lot
of
knowledge about Publisher and help out here too...but since you
asked.

1. As in the other post, just resize and move your code fragment
box
where
ever you want it.

3. Floating - forget it IMHO.

2 & 4. How to link to internal pages is an open ended conversation
that
depends on what you are wanting to do and your site architecture.
If
your
main navbar links to sections of your site where you will have
subsections,
then perhaps another navbar is appropriate. Perhaps even a wizard
built
one.
Or say you have a section called 'Treatments' and within that
section
you
have a number of different treatments, each on their own page, then
you
could create a simple text box with 'Treatments' as the heading and
a
simple

 

[MAURH]

Hi Karen,

Yes very puzzling...I'm afraid it will take one of the other people here
with far more knowledge than I to answer that one.

I used the same code that you have put here, except that I took out the
'Back to' bit 'cuz I only wanted the word 'Top' i.e.
<A HREF="#TOP">Top</A>

I wonder if it would work if you did a copy and paste of this code, saved it
in a word doc., then changed the font size and then used a copy and paste of
that code to insert into the html box? Don't know if it will work, I'm no
wiz at coding, but it's worth a try. Or you could just change the font to
Arial and see if that works.



Good luck.



Maureen

I'm talking about the font size that shows as a result of the .html code.
The fragment I used is: <A HREF="#TOP">Back to Top</A>, which results in a
bigger font than the one that shows on your website. So I can alter the
text
so all it says is "Top" (like yours), but I cannot manipulative the size
so
it is as small as yours. Interesting, yes?
--
karen3b

Karen,

Which font are you trying to change?
If you are looking at the font size of the 'Top' text, that was the size
font the html code created, I didn't change that. Once you've inserted
the
html code onto your page, do a 'page preview' and you should see the
text.

If you're looking at the font size of the text by the directional
(orange)
arrows on my internal pages, they were just created in a small text box
and
I set the font size via the tool bar as usual. Then I placed the arrow by
the side of the box.

Maureen

Hi, Maureen ~

Where did you change the font size? I tried:
1) from the .html box (fx not available);
2) by changing the font to 7 when in the text box above where I
inserted the .html code.
[It's sometimes the little things that drive me crazy!]
Thanks.
--
karen3b


:

Hi Karen,

The size of the text is determined by the font size, not the size of
the
box
and the font size that labels those arrows is Verdana 7. I use Verdana
in
most of my text, I think it's clear and easy to read. I seem to
remember
the
web design tutorial saying that 'Verdana' is the most effective font
for
body text and is easier to read at low resolutions. The font size in
most
of
the text is 9 or 10.

I have tried to make the navigation on my site as easy as possible,
trying
to think where I would want to go if I were viewing it. That's why I
also
put a link to the 'Prices' page on those two internal pages and if you
go
to
the prices page, you will see links back to both the caravan details
pages.
These sort of links may not be necessary for your business, but for my
business I know it's where the viewer wants to go.

Maureen






Hi, Maureen ~

Thanks for including your URL.

1) I like the arrow on the left hand bottom. For a right-hander,
it
is
handier -- it is tucked out of the way, and yet right where one
needs
it.
I'm going to check with a left-hander & see what she thinks of it.
I
know
that many left-handers use their right hand for mouse work.

I also like the size of text that labels the arrows. How did you
get
it
so
small? I played with the size on my web-in-progress & checked the
size
on
Web Preview. Didn't matter how tiny I shrank the box, the text size
was
the
same. I could change what the text said. But I couldn't eliminate
the
text
and still have it function.

2) The way you have your internal pages links works nicely on your
site.

3) My pages aren't as long as yours. Perhaps I overly restricted my
verbage...!

4) I like the 2 choices you give on your internal pages. I've
never
thought about the option before. It is very clear & works well.
Plus
I
love
the small and yet-so-clear text.

I peruse www.webdesignfromscratch/com . I know it was one of the
first
sites I read -- but it feels like a long, long time ago...or at
least
many,
many websites ago!

Thanks again, Maureen, for giving me some more clean and clear
options.

--
karen3b


:

Hi Karen,

If I may jump in here for a moment, maybe you would like to have a
look
at
how I did some of the things you are asking about? My website
address
is
www.devonviewcaravans.co.uk

So to try to answer your questions:
1."How to precisely place text for 'back to top' button?" As you
will
see
on my pages, I placed the 'back to top' text box on the right hand
side
of
the page, obviously at the bottom. Some people prefer to place it
on
the
left, but I, like the majority of people, am right handed and
therefore
have
my mouse on the right hand side when working, so I always find it
more
natural to click on something like this if it's on the right. I
made
the
box
very small and then placed the blue arrow just above it. You will
need
to
do
this on every page and check with 'page preview' to make sure it
all
sits
nicely together.

2. "How to link the internal pages that aren't listed on the
NavBars;"
If
you click on 'Caravans' in the nav bar on my site, it will take you
to
a
page with two pictures on it. If you click on each picture, that
will
take
you to an internal page with more details. This was just simply
done
with
a
hyperlink...highlight the picture or text you want to link >click
on
'Add
hyperlink' at the top of your pub page >place in this document,
select
the
page number, >click ok and voila!...the page is linked.

3. "Is there any need for Floating 'click-here' links?" I'm not
sure I
completely understand your question, but once you have placed your
'back
to
top' button it will give the word 'Top' If you want to add some
sort
of
arrow or other words to that you can, but I would keep it simple
and
precise. Of course if your page is very long, you may want to add
this
link
halfway down the page.

4. "Currently have Arrows for page-to-page navigation @ the bottom
of
each
page's text:" I also used directional arrows for page to page
navigation,
but also used some text so that the viewer could choose exactly
which
page
he/she navigated to. If you look at the bottom of the internal
pages
you
will see the text to each page...again simply done with a
hyperlink.

Some of your questions appear to be about design as well as the
technical
stuff, so may I suggest you have a look at this website.
http://www.webdesignfromscratch.com/ It's a very good tutorial
about
web
design and one I used at the start of my 'venture'. It gives very
easy
to
follow instructions but also explains how people view your site and
what
they would look for. Knowing what people expect from your site can
determine
how you build it. I found it very useful.

Hope this helps.

Maureen







You're right, David. Don & Spike have helped me too. I haven't
had
'direct'
contact with John -- so I don't have an internal picture of him.
I
am
pretty
darn impressed by the knowledge & patience of those who have
helped
me.
If I
ever get enough knowledge/experience under my belt, I'd like to
give
back
to
the community. I certainly am appreciating the help! <g>

Back to Nav stuff:

a) Used a combo of your suggestions for the 'lone pages': added
one
to
the
main NavBar; used a 1-row, 6-column table + hyperlinks for the
others.

b) 'back-to-top' button good 'nuff for now. Please notice those
cute
little
graphics in the lower right corner of this website -- the printer
graphic
&
the sheets-of- paper graphic? When moused over, lo 'n behold --
text!
Mine
does not do that. Obviously not a crucial fx.

c) Have labelled those arrows. See above <g>

d) probably will need more navigation assists -- as well as
tweaking
those
already there -- before it is ready to be out there. But good
'nuff
for
now.

I'm now on to reading about thumbnails. Hopefully I now have a
sufficient
organizational tree so that I can comprehend and implement the
information.
Don't hold your breath, though! I will be back.

I'm pleased that the website is coming together as fast as it is
right
now.
ta DA <ltd>

Many thanks.
--
karen3b


:

Karen,

Hey, just cuz I have been answering most of your questions
doesn't
mean
you
have to address every post to me. Don, Spike, John and others
have
a
lot
of
knowledge about Publisher and help out here too...but since you
asked.

1. As in the other post, just resize and move your code fragment
box
where
ever you want it.

3. Floating - forget it IMHO.

2 & 4. How to link to internal pages is an open ended
conversation
that
depends on what you are wanting to do and your site
architecture.
If
your
main navbar links to sections of your site where you will have
subsections,
then perhaps another navbar is appropriate. Perhaps even a
wizard
built
one.
Or say you have a section called 'Treatments' and within that
section
you
have a number of different treatments, each on their own page,
then
you
could create a simple text box with 'Treatments' as the heading
and
a
simple

 

[Spike]

Have you tried to just put some text at the bottom of the page (any style,
size, font etc) then hyperlink it to the same page you are on. I tried that
and it went to the top of the page

Spike

Hi Karen,

Yes very puzzling...I'm afraid it will take one of the other people here
with far more knowledge than I to answer that one.

I used the same code that you have put here, except that I took out the
'Back to' bit 'cuz I only wanted the word 'Top' i.e.
<A HREF="#TOP">Top</A>

I wonder if it would work if you did a copy and paste of this code, saved
it in a word doc., then changed the font size and then used a copy and
paste of that code to insert into the html box? Don't know if it will
work, I'm no wiz at coding, but it's worth a try. Or you could just change
the font to Arial and see if that works.



Good luck.



Maureen

I'm talking about the font size that shows as a result of the .html code.
The fragment I used is: <A HREF="#TOP">Back to Top</A>, which results in
a
bigger font than the one that shows on your website. So I can alter the
text
so all it says is "Top" (like yours), but I cannot manipulative the size
so
it is as small as yours. Interesting, yes?
--
karen3b

Karen,

Which font are you trying to change?
If you are looking at the font size of the 'Top' text, that was the size
font the html code created, I didn't change that. Once you've inserted
the
html code onto your page, do a 'page preview' and you should see the
text.

If you're looking at the font size of the text by the directional
(orange)
arrows on my internal pages, they were just created in a small text box
and
I set the font size via the tool bar as usual. Then I placed the arrow
by
the side of the box.

Maureen


Hi, Maureen ~

Where did you change the font size? I tried:
1) from the .html box (fx not available);
2) by changing the font to 7 when in the text box above where I
inserted the .html code.
[It's sometimes the little things that drive me crazy!]
Thanks.
--
karen3b


:

Hi Karen,

The size of the text is determined by the font size, not the size of
the
box
and the font size that labels those arrows is Verdana 7. I use
Verdana in
most of my text, I think it's clear and easy to read. I seem to
remember
the
web design tutorial saying that 'Verdana' is the most effective font
for
body text and is easier to read at low resolutions. The font size in
most
of
the text is 9 or 10.

I have tried to make the navigation on my site as easy as possible,
trying
to think where I would want to go if I were viewing it. That's why I
also
put a link to the 'Prices' page on those two internal pages and if
you go
to
the prices page, you will see links back to both the caravan details
pages.
These sort of links may not be necessary for your business, but for
my
business I know it's where the viewer wants to go.

Maureen






Hi, Maureen ~

Thanks for including your URL.

1) I like the arrow on the left hand bottom. For a right-hander,
it
is
handier -- it is tucked out of the way, and yet right where one
needs
it.
I'm going to check with a left-hander & see what she thinks of it.
I
know
that many left-handers use their right hand for mouse work.

I also like the size of text that labels the arrows. How did you
get
it
so
small? I played with the size on my web-in-progress & checked the
size
on
Web Preview. Didn't matter how tiny I shrank the box, the text
size
was
the
same. I could change what the text said. But I couldn't eliminate
the
text
and still have it function.

2) The way you have your internal pages links works nicely on your
site.

3) My pages aren't as long as yours. Perhaps I overly restricted
my
verbage...!

4) I like the 2 choices you give on your internal pages. I've
never
thought about the option before. It is very clear & works well.
Plus
I
love
the small and yet-so-clear text.

I peruse www.webdesignfromscratch/com . I know it was one of the
first
sites I read -- but it feels like a long, long time ago...or at
least
many,
many websites ago!

Thanks again, Maureen, for giving me some more clean and clear
options.

--
karen3b


:

Hi Karen,

If I may jump in here for a moment, maybe you would like to have a
look
at
how I did some of the things you are asking about? My website
address
is
www.devonviewcaravans.co.uk

So to try to answer your questions:
1."How to precisely place text for 'back to top' button?" As you
will
see
on my pages, I placed the 'back to top' text box on the right
hand
side
of
the page, obviously at the bottom. Some people prefer to place it
on
the
left, but I, like the majority of people, am right handed and
therefore
have
my mouse on the right hand side when working, so I always find it
more
natural to click on something like this if it's on the right. I
made
the
box
very small and then placed the blue arrow just above it. You will
need
to
do
this on every page and check with 'page preview' to make sure it
all
sits
nicely together.

2. "How to link the internal pages that aren't listed on the
NavBars;"
If
you click on 'Caravans' in the nav bar on my site, it will take
you to
a
page with two pictures on it. If you click on each picture, that
will
take
you to an internal page with more details. This was just simply
done
with
a
hyperlink...highlight the picture or text you want to link >click
on
'Add
hyperlink' at the top of your pub page >place in this document,
select
the
page number, >click ok and voila!...the page is linked.

3. "Is there any need for Floating 'click-here' links?" I'm not
sure I
completely understand your question, but once you have placed your
'back
to
top' button it will give the word 'Top' If you want to add some
sort
of
arrow or other words to that you can, but I would keep it simple
and
precise. Of course if your page is very long, you may want to add
this
link
halfway down the page.

4. "Currently have Arrows for page-to-page navigation @ the bottom
of
each
page's text:" I also used directional arrows for page to page
navigation,
but also used some text so that the viewer could choose exactly
which
page
he/she navigated to. If you look at the bottom of the internal
pages
you
will see the text to each page...again simply done with a
hyperlink.

Some of your questions appear to be about design as well as the
technical
stuff, so may I suggest you have a look at this website.
http://www.webdesignfromscratch.com/ It's a very good tutorial
about
web
design and one I used at the start of my 'venture'. It gives very
easy
to
follow instructions but also explains how people view your site
and
what
they would look for. Knowing what people expect from your site can
determine
how you build it. I found it very useful.

Hope this helps.

Maureen







You're right, David. Don & Spike have helped me too. I haven't
had
'direct'
contact with John -- so I don't have an internal picture of him.
I
am
pretty
darn impressed by the knowledge & patience of those who have
helped
me.
If I
ever get enough knowledge/experience under my belt, I'd like to
give
back
to
the community. I certainly am appreciating the help! <g>

Back to Nav stuff:

a) Used a combo of your suggestions for the 'lone pages':
added
one
to
the
main NavBar; used a 1-row, 6-column table + hyperlinks for the
others.

b) 'back-to-top' button good 'nuff for now. Please notice those
cute
little
graphics in the lower right corner of this website -- the
printer
graphic
&
the sheets-of- paper graphic? When moused over, lo 'n behold --
text!
Mine
does not do that. Obviously not a crucial fx.

c) Have labelled those arrows. See above <g>

d) probably will need more navigation assists -- as well as
tweaking
those
already there -- before it is ready to be out there. But good
'nuff
for
now.

I'm now on to reading about thumbnails. Hopefully I now have a
sufficient
organizational tree so that I can comprehend and implement the
information.
Don't hold your breath, though! I will be back.

I'm pleased that the website is coming together as fast as it is
right
now.
ta DA <ltd>

Many thanks.
--
karen3b


:

Karen,

Hey, just cuz I have been answering most of your questions
doesn't
mean
you
have to address every post to me. Don, Spike, John and others
have
a
lot
of
knowledge about Publisher and help out here too...but since you
asked.

1. As in the other post, just resize and move your code
fragment
box
where
ever you want it.

3. Floating - forget it IMHO.

2 & 4. How to link to internal pages is an open ended
conversation
that
depends on what you are wanting to do and your site
architecture.
If
your
main navbar links to sections of your site where you will have
subsections,
then perhaps another navbar is appropriate. Perhaps even a
wizard
built
one.
Or say you have a section called 'Treatments' and within that
section
you
have a number of different treatments, each on their own page,
then
you
could create a simple text box with 'Treatments' as the heading
and
a
simple

 

[DavidF]

When you use text in a code fragment such as this, it will use the default
font and font size of the page that it is on. You can't change that by just
selecting the code fragment as you would text in a text box. Instead you
have to change the code snippet. Try this:

<p><font face="Arial" size="2">
<A HREF="#TOP">Top of Page >></A>

This snippet will use Arial as the font, and the size will be about a 10
point font. Change the 2 to 1 and it will drop to around an 8 point font.

DavidF

Hi Karen,

Yes very puzzling...I'm afraid it will take one of the other people here
with far more knowledge than I to answer that one.

I used the same code that you have put here, except that I took out the
'Back to' bit 'cuz I only wanted the word 'Top' i.e.
<A HREF="#TOP">Top</A>

I wonder if it would work if you did a copy and paste of this code, saved
it in a word doc., then changed the font size and then used a copy and
paste of that code to insert into the html box? Don't know if it will
work, I'm no wiz at coding, but it's worth a try. Or you could just change
the font to Arial and see if that works.



Good luck.



Maureen

I'm talking about the font size that shows as a result of the .html code.
The fragment I used is: <A HREF="#TOP">Back to Top</A>, which results in
a
bigger font than the one that shows on your website. So I can alter the
text
so all it says is "Top" (like yours), but I cannot manipulative the size
so
it is as small as yours. Interesting, yes?
--
karen3b

Karen,

Which font are you trying to change?
If you are looking at the font size of the 'Top' text, that was the size
font the html code created, I didn't change that. Once you've inserted
the
html code onto your page, do a 'page preview' and you should see the
text.

If you're looking at the font size of the text by the directional
(orange)
arrows on my internal pages, they were just created in a small text box
and
I set the font size via the tool bar as usual. Then I placed the arrow
by
the side of the box.

Maureen


Hi, Maureen ~

Where did you change the font size? I tried:
1) from the .html box (fx not available);
2) by changing the font to 7 when in the text box above where I
inserted the .html code.
[It's sometimes the little things that drive me crazy!]
Thanks.
--
karen3b


:

Hi Karen,

The size of the text is determined by the font size, not the size of
the
box
and the font size that labels those arrows is Verdana 7. I use
Verdana in
most of my text, I think it's clear and easy to read. I seem to
remember
the
web design tutorial saying that 'Verdana' is the most effective font
for
body text and is easier to read at low resolutions. The font size in
most
of
the text is 9 or 10.

I have tried to make the navigation on my site as easy as possible,
trying
to think where I would want to go if I were viewing it. That's why I
also
put a link to the 'Prices' page on those two internal pages and if
you go
to
the prices page, you will see links back to both the caravan details
pages.
These sort of links may not be necessary for your business, but for
my
business I know it's where the viewer wants to go.

Maureen






Hi, Maureen ~

Thanks for including your URL.

1) I like the arrow on the left hand bottom. For a right-hander,
it
is
handier -- it is tucked out of the way, and yet right where one
needs
it.
I'm going to check with a left-hander & see what she thinks of it.
I
know
that many left-handers use their right hand for mouse work.

I also like the size of text that labels the arrows. How did you
get
it
so
small? I played with the size on my web-in-progress & checked the
size
on
Web Preview. Didn't matter how tiny I shrank the box, the text
size
was
the
same. I could change what the text said. But I couldn't eliminate
the
text
and still have it function.

2) The way you have your internal pages links works nicely on your
site.

3) My pages aren't as long as yours. Perhaps I overly restricted
my
verbage...!

4) I like the 2 choices you give on your internal pages. I've
never
thought about the option before. It is very clear & works well.
Plus
I
love
the small and yet-so-clear text.

I peruse www.webdesignfromscratch/com . I know it was one of the
first
sites I read -- but it feels like a long, long time ago...or at
least
many,
many websites ago!

Thanks again, Maureen, for giving me some more clean and clear
options.

--
karen3b


:

Hi Karen,

If I may jump in here for a moment, maybe you would like to have a
look
at
how I did some of the things you are asking about? My website
address
is
www.devonviewcaravans.co.uk

So to try to answer your questions:
1."How to precisely place text for 'back to top' button?" As you
will
see
on my pages, I placed the 'back to top' text box on the right
hand
side
of
the page, obviously at the bottom. Some people prefer to place it
on
the
left, but I, like the majority of people, am right handed and
therefore
have
my mouse on the right hand side when working, so I always find it
more
natural to click on something like this if it's on the right. I
made
the
box
very small and then placed the blue arrow just above it. You will
need
to
do
this on every page and check with 'page preview' to make sure it
all
sits
nicely together.

2. "How to link the internal pages that aren't listed on the
NavBars;"
If
you click on 'Caravans' in the nav bar on my site, it will take
you to
a
page with two pictures on it. If you click on each picture, that
will
take
you to an internal page with more details. This was just simply
done
with
a
hyperlink...highlight the picture or text you want to link >click
on
'Add
hyperlink' at the top of your pub page >place in this document,
select
the
page number, >click ok and voila!...the page is linked.

3. "Is there any need for Floating 'click-here' links?" I'm not
sure I
completely understand your question, but once you have placed your
'back
to
top' button it will give the word 'Top' If you want to add some
sort
of
arrow or other words to that you can, but I would keep it simple
and
precise. Of course if your page is very long, you may want to add
this
link
halfway down the page.

4. "Currently have Arrows for page-to-page navigation @ the bottom
of
each
page's text:" I also used directional arrows for page to page
navigation,
but also used some text so that the viewer could choose exactly
which
page
he/she navigated to. If you look at the bottom of the internal
pages
you
will see the text to each page...again simply done with a
hyperlink.

Some of your questions appear to be about design as well as the
technical
stuff, so may I suggest you have a look at this website.
http://www.webdesignfromscratch.com/ It's a very good tutorial
about
web
design and one I used at the start of my 'venture'. It gives very
easy
to
follow instructions but also explains how people view your site
and
what
they would look for. Knowing what people expect from your site can
determine
how you build it. I found it very useful.

Hope this helps.

Maureen







You're right, David. Don & Spike have helped me too. I haven't
had
'direct'
contact with John -- so I don't have an internal picture of him.
I
am
pretty
darn impressed by the knowledge & patience of those who have
helped
me.
If I
ever get enough knowledge/experience under my belt, I'd like to
give
back
to
the community. I certainly am appreciating the help! <g>

Back to Nav stuff:

a) Used a combo of your suggestions for the 'lone pages':
added
one
to
the
main NavBar; used a 1-row, 6-column table + hyperlinks for the
others.

b) 'back-to-top' button good 'nuff for now. Please notice those
cute
little
graphics in the lower right corner of this website -- the
printer
graphic
&
the sheets-of- paper graphic? When moused over, lo 'n behold --
text!
Mine
does not do that. Obviously not a crucial fx.

c) Have labelled those arrows. See above <g>

d) probably will need more navigation assists -- as well as
tweaking
those
already there -- before it is ready to be out there. But good
'nuff
for
now.

I'm now on to reading about thumbnails. Hopefully I now have a
sufficient
organizational tree so that I can comprehend and implement the
information.
Don't hold your breath, though! I will be back.

I'm pleased that the website is coming together as fast as it is
right
now.
ta DA <ltd>

Many thanks.
--
karen3b


:

Karen,

Hey, just cuz I have been answering most of your questions
doesn't
mean
you
have to address every post to me. Don, Spike, John and others
have
a
lot
of
knowledge about Publisher and help out here too...but since you
asked.

1. As in the other post, just resize and move your code
fragment
box
where
ever you want it.

3. Floating - forget it IMHO.

2 & 4. How to link to internal pages is an open ended
conversation
that
depends on what you are wanting to do and your site
architecture.
If
your
main navbar links to sections of your site where you will have
subsections,
then perhaps another navbar is appropriate. Perhaps even a
wizard
built
one.
Or say you have a section called 'Treatments' and within that
section
you
have a number of different treatments, each on their own page,
then
you
could create a simple text box with 'Treatments' as the heading
and
a
simple

 

[karen3b]

After messing around with your suggestions, what I've concluded is:

With a 'back to top .html fragment':
-the "size" number matters within the code;
-the text word "Arial" doesn't matter -- looks like it is the extra
carrot that directs which font to print. [The words 'Verdana' and
'Trebuchet' don't make any difference to what is seen on the web page.] Nor
did a tex box, filled with Verdana 7 point verbage & just above the
insertion of .html code, influence the visual outcome of the .html code in
any way. Using's David's code for Arial comes up with Arial -- even if
'Arial' is deleted from code or substituted with another font family. But a
'1' is smaller than a '2'. Didn't try the '3' size.

Using the end of a sentence of the text to serve as the jumping off point
for a hyperlink to the top is really smooth & minimal.
However, dyed-in-the-wool adherents to webpagesthatsuck principles
would probably say that it falls into the category "Mystery Meat Navigation"
because users would have to be familar with the convention of
underlined-and-different-colored text-indicates-a-link and know to 'click
here' to go somewhere/make a change.

And now I have two more options plus variations of same. That's momental
growth. Faster than even .com days! <g>

Thanks!
--
karen3b

Have you tried to just put some text at the bottom of the page (any style,
size, font etc) then hyperlink it to the same page you are on. I tried that
and it went to the top of the page

Spike

Hi Karen,

Yes very puzzling...I'm afraid it will take one of the other people here
with far more knowledge than I to answer that one.

I used the same code that you have put here, except that I took out the
'Back to' bit 'cuz I only wanted the word 'Top' i.e.
<A HREF="#TOP">Top</A>

I wonder if it would work if you did a copy and paste of this code, saved
it in a word doc., then changed the font size and then used a copy and
paste of that code to insert into the html box? Don't know if it will
work, I'm no wiz at coding, but it's worth a try. Or you could just change
the font to Arial and see if that works.



Good luck.



Maureen

I'm talking about the font size that shows as a result of the .html code.
The fragment I used is: <A HREF="#TOP">Back to Top</A>, which results in
a
bigger font than the one that shows on your website. So I can alter the
text
so all it says is "Top" (like yours), but I cannot manipulative the size
so
it is as small as yours. Interesting, yes?
--
karen3b


:

Karen,

Which font are you trying to change?
If you are looking at the font size of the 'Top' text, that was the size
font the html code created, I didn't change that. Once you've inserted
the
html code onto your page, do a 'page preview' and you should see the
text.

If you're looking at the font size of the text by the directional
(orange)
arrows on my internal pages, they were just created in a small text box
and
I set the font size via the tool bar as usual. Then I placed the arrow
by
the side of the box.

Maureen


Hi, Maureen ~

Where did you change the font size? I tried:
1) from the .html box (fx not available);
2) by changing the font to 7 when in the text box above where I
inserted the .html code.
[It's sometimes the little things that drive me crazy!]
Thanks.
--
karen3b


:

Hi Karen,

The size of the text is determined by the font size, not the size of
the
box
and the font size that labels those arrows is Verdana 7. I use
Verdana in
most of my text, I think it's clear and easy to read. I seem to
remember
the
web design tutorial saying that 'Verdana' is the most effective font
for
body text and is easier to read at low resolutions. The font size in
most
of
the text is 9 or 10.

I have tried to make the navigation on my site as easy as possible,
trying
to think where I would want to go if I were viewing it. That's why I
also
put a link to the 'Prices' page on those two internal pages and if
you go
to
the prices page, you will see links back to both the caravan details
pages.
These sort of links may not be necessary for your business, but for
my
business I know it's where the viewer wants to go.

Maureen






Hi, Maureen ~

Thanks for including your URL.

1) I like the arrow on the left hand bottom. For a right-hander,
it
is
handier -- it is tucked out of the way, and yet right where one
needs
it.
I'm going to check with a left-hander & see what she thinks of it.
I
know
that many left-handers use their right hand for mouse work.

I also like the size of text that labels the arrows. How did you
get
it
so
small? I played with the size on my web-in-progress & checked the
size
on
Web Preview. Didn't matter how tiny I shrank the box, the text
size
was
the
same. I could change what the text said. But I couldn't eliminate
the
text
and still have it function.

2) The way you have your internal pages links works nicely on your
site.

3) My pages aren't as long as yours. Perhaps I overly restricted
my
verbage...!

4) I like the 2 choices you give on your internal pages. I've
never
thought about the option before. It is very clear & works well.
Plus
I
love
the small and yet-so-clear text.

I peruse www.webdesignfromscratch/com . I know it was one of the
first
sites I read -- but it feels like a long, long time ago...or at
least
many,
many websites ago!

Thanks again, Maureen, for giving me some more clean and clear
options.

--
karen3b


:

Hi Karen,

If I may jump in here for a moment, maybe you would like to have a
look
at
how I did some of the things you are asking about? My website
address
is
www.devonviewcaravans.co.uk

So to try to answer your questions:
1."How to precisely place text for 'back to top' button?" As you
will
see
on my pages, I placed the 'back to top' text box on the right
hand
side
of
the page, obviously at the bottom. Some people prefer to place it
on
the
left, but I, like the majority of people, am right handed and
therefore
have
my mouse on the right hand side when working, so I always find it
more
natural to click on something like this if it's on the right. I
made
the
box
very small and then placed the blue arrow just above it. You will
need
to
do
this on every page and check with 'page preview' to make sure it
all
sits
nicely together.

2. "How to link the internal pages that aren't listed on the
NavBars;"
If
you click on 'Caravans' in the nav bar on my site, it will take
you to
a
page with two pictures on it. If you click on each picture, that
will
take
you to an internal page with more details. This was just simply
done
with
a
hyperlink...highlight the picture or text you want to link >click
on
'Add
hyperlink' at the top of your pub page >place in this document,
select
the
page number, >click ok and voila!...the page is linked.

3. "Is there any need for Floating 'click-here' links?" I'm not
sure I
completely understand your question, but once you have placed your
'back
to
top' button it will give the word 'Top' If you want to add some
sort
of
arrow or other words to that you can, but I would keep it simple
and
precise. Of course if your page is very long, you may want to add
this
link
halfway down the page.

4. "Currently have Arrows for page-to-page navigation @ the bottom
of
each
page's text:" I also used directional arrows for page to page
navigation,
but also used some text so that the viewer could choose exactly
which
page
he/she navigated to. If you look at the bottom of the internal
pages
you
will see the text to each page...again simply done with a
hyperlink.

Some of your questions appear to be about design as well as the
technical
stuff, so may I suggest you have a look at this website.
http://www.webdesignfromscratch.com/ It's a very good tutorial
about
web
design and one I used at the start of my 'venture'. It gives very
easy
to
follow instructions but also explains how people view your site
and
what
they would look for. Knowing what people expect from your site can
determine
how you build it. I found it very useful.

Hope this helps.

Maureen

 

[MAURH]

Well there ya go Karen, told you it needed one of the experts!! I had
doubts that my idea would work and I had a feeling that you would need to
change the code snippet, just wasn't sure how....but I'm sure DavidF's
answer will work for you.

Good luck

Maureen

When you use text in a code fragment such as this, it will use the default
font and font size of the page that it is on. You can't change that by
just selecting the code fragment as you would text in a text box. Instead
you have to change the code snippet. Try this:

<p><font face="Arial" size="2">
<A HREF="#TOP">Top of Page >></A>

This snippet will use Arial as the font, and the size will be about a 10
point font. Change the 2 to 1 and it will drop to around an 8 point font.

DavidF

Hi Karen,

Yes very puzzling...I'm afraid it will take one of the other people here
with far more knowledge than I to answer that one.

I used the same code that you have put here, except that I took out the
'Back to' bit 'cuz I only wanted the word 'Top' i.e.
<A HREF="#TOP">Top</A>

I wonder if it would work if you did a copy and paste of this code, saved
it in a word doc., then changed the font size and then used a copy and
paste of that code to insert into the html box? Don't know if it will
work, I'm no wiz at coding, but it's worth a try. Or you could just
change the font to Arial and see if that works.



Good luck.



Maureen

I'm talking about the font size that shows as a result of the .html
code.
The fragment I used is: <A HREF="#TOP">Back to Top</A>, which results in
a
bigger font than the one that shows on your website. So I can alter the
text
so all it says is "Top" (like yours), but I cannot manipulative the size
so
it is as small as yours. Interesting, yes?
--
karen3b


:

Karen,

Which font are you trying to change?
If you are looking at the font size of the 'Top' text, that was the
size
font the html code created, I didn't change that. Once you've inserted
the
html code onto your page, do a 'page preview' and you should see the
text.

If you're looking at the font size of the text by the directional
(orange)
arrows on my internal pages, they were just created in a small text box
and
I set the font size via the tool bar as usual. Then I placed the arrow
by
the side of the box.

Maureen


Hi, Maureen ~

Where did you change the font size? I tried:
1) from the .html box (fx not available);
2) by changing the font to 7 when in the text box above where I
inserted the .html code.
[It's sometimes the little things that drive me crazy!]
Thanks.
--
karen3b


:

Hi Karen,

The size of the text is determined by the font size, not the size of
the
box
and the font size that labels those arrows is Verdana 7. I use
Verdana in
most of my text, I think it's clear and easy to read. I seem to
remember
the
web design tutorial saying that 'Verdana' is the most effective font
for
body text and is easier to read at low resolutions. The font size in
most
of
the text is 9 or 10.

I have tried to make the navigation on my site as easy as possible,
trying
to think where I would want to go if I were viewing it. That's why I
also
put a link to the 'Prices' page on those two internal pages and if
you go
to
the prices page, you will see links back to both the caravan details
pages.
These sort of links may not be necessary for your business, but for
my
business I know it's where the viewer wants to go.

Maureen






Hi, Maureen ~

Thanks for including your URL.

1) I like the arrow on the left hand bottom. For a right-hander,
it
is
handier -- it is tucked out of the way, and yet right where one
needs
it.
I'm going to check with a left-hander & see what she thinks of it.
I
know
that many left-handers use their right hand for mouse work.

I also like the size of text that labels the arrows. How did you
get
it
so
small? I played with the size on my web-in-progress & checked the
size
on
Web Preview. Didn't matter how tiny I shrank the box, the text
size
was
the
same. I could change what the text said. But I couldn't
eliminate the
text
and still have it function.

2) The way you have your internal pages links works nicely on your
site.

3) My pages aren't as long as yours. Perhaps I overly restricted
my
verbage...!

4) I like the 2 choices you give on your internal pages. I've
never
thought about the option before. It is very clear & works well.
Plus
I
love
the small and yet-so-clear text.

I peruse www.webdesignfromscratch/com . I know it was one of the
first
sites I read -- but it feels like a long, long time ago...or at
least
many,
many websites ago!

Thanks again, Maureen, for giving me some more clean and clear
options.

--
karen3b


:

Hi Karen,

If I may jump in here for a moment, maybe you would like to have
a
look
at
how I did some of the things you are asking about? My website
address
is
www.devonviewcaravans.co.uk

So to try to answer your questions:
1."How to precisely place text for 'back to top' button?" As you
will
see
on my pages, I placed the 'back to top' text box on the right
hand
side
of
the page, obviously at the bottom. Some people prefer to place it
on
the
left, but I, like the majority of people, am right handed and
therefore
have
my mouse on the right hand side when working, so I always find it
more
natural to click on something like this if it's on the right. I
made
the
box
very small and then placed the blue arrow just above it. You will
need
to
do
this on every page and check with 'page preview' to make sure it
all
sits
nicely together.

2. "How to link the internal pages that aren't listed on the
NavBars;"
If
you click on 'Caravans' in the nav bar on my site, it will take
you to
a
page with two pictures on it. If you click on each picture, that
will
take
you to an internal page with more details. This was just simply
done
with
a
hyperlink...highlight the picture or text you want to link >click
on
'Add
hyperlink' at the top of your pub page >place in this document,
select
the
page number, >click ok and voila!...the page is linked.

3. "Is there any need for Floating 'click-here' links?" I'm not
sure I
completely understand your question, but once you have placed
your
'back
to
top' button it will give the word 'Top' If you want to add some
sort
of
arrow or other words to that you can, but I would keep it simple
and
precise. Of course if your page is very long, you may want to add
this
link
halfway down the page.

4. "Currently have Arrows for page-to-page navigation @ the
bottom of
each
page's text:" I also used directional arrows for page to page
navigation,
but also used some text so that the viewer could choose exactly
which
page
he/she navigated to. If you look at the bottom of the internal
pages
you
will see the text to each page...again simply done with a
hyperlink.

Some of your questions appear to be about design as well as the
technical
stuff, so may I suggest you have a look at this website.
http://www.webdesignfromscratch.com/ It's a very good tutorial
about
web
design and one I used at the start of my 'venture'. It gives very
easy
to
follow instructions but also explains how people view your site
and
what
they would look for. Knowing what people expect from your site
can
determine
how you build it. I found it very useful.

Hope this helps.

Maureen







You're right, David. Don & Spike have helped me too. I
haven't had
'direct'
contact with John -- so I don't have an internal picture of
him. I
am
pretty
darn impressed by the knowledge & patience of those who have
helped
me.
If I
ever get enough knowledge/experience under my belt, I'd like to
give
back
to
the community. I certainly am appreciating the help! <g>

Back to Nav stuff:

a) Used a combo of your suggestions for the 'lone pages':
added
one
to
the
main NavBar; used a 1-row, 6-column table + hyperlinks for the
others.

b) 'back-to-top' button good 'nuff for now. Please notice
those
cute
little
graphics in the lower right corner of this website -- the
printer
graphic
&
the sheets-of- paper graphic? When moused over, lo 'n
behold --
text!
Mine
does not do that. Obviously not a crucial fx.

c) Have labelled those arrows. See above <g>

d) probably will need more navigation assists -- as well as
tweaking
those
already there -- before it is ready to be out there. But good
'nuff
for
now.

I'm now on to reading about thumbnails. Hopefully I now have a
sufficient
organizational tree so that I can comprehend and implement the
information.
Don't hold your breath, though! I will be back.

I'm pleased that the website is coming together as fast as it
is
right
now.
ta DA <ltd>

Many thanks.
--
karen3b


:

Karen,

Hey, just cuz I have been answering most of your questions
doesn't
mean
you
have to address every post to me. Don, Spike, John and others
have
a
lot
of
knowledge about Publisher and help out here too...but since
you
asked.

1. As in the other post, just resize and move your code
fragment
box
where
ever you want it.

3. Floating - forget it IMHO.

2 & 4. How to link to internal pages is an open ended
conversation
that
depends on what you are wanting to do and your site
architecture.
If
your
main navbar links to sections of your site where you will have
subsections,
then perhaps another navbar is appropriate. Perhaps even a
wizard
built
one.
Or say you have a section called 'Treatments' and within that
section
you
have a number of different treatments, each on their own page,
then
you
could create a simple text box with 'Treatments' as the
heading and
a
simple

 

[Spike]

SOOOO! many ways to skin the cat......

Truth be known I do not like Loooooong web pages requiring go to top
Short and to the point is my speed. I have always carried a trait with me
since childhood
Short attention span
I have built some pages that were so ling I did not like my own work

Spike

Spike,

Your point is well taken, and that is the easiest solution, but when your
page is actually posted online, what you are really doing is reloading the
page when you do that. The code snippet doesn't reload the page. The
difference is probably unnoticeable with a high speed connection, but in a
dial-up it is noticeably slower...there is a lag moment or so.

With that said however, if a person is using Publisher 2007 then one
should probably avail themselves of the ability to add anchors, including
a 'Top' anchor, and write the links to take the viewer to any specified
anchor on any page. This also writes a full link to that anchor. This
feature is not available in Publisher 2000 which is where I first used the
code snippets. You must insert code snippets to insert anchors. And since
the code snippet will work in any version that is why I suggest it as a
way to go to the top.

Just an explanation as to my madness ;-)

DavidF

Have you tried to just put some text at the bottom of the page (any
style, size, font etc) then hyperlink it to the same page you are on. I
tried that and it went to the top of the page

Spike

Hi Karen,

Yes very puzzling...I'm afraid it will take one of the other people here
with far more knowledge than I to answer that one.

I used the same code that you have put here, except that I took out the
'Back to' bit 'cuz I only wanted the word 'Top' i.e.
<A HREF="#TOP">Top</A>

I wonder if it would work if you did a copy and paste of this code,
saved it in a word doc., then changed the font size and then used a copy
and paste of that code to insert into the html box? Don't know if it
will work, I'm no wiz at coding, but it's worth a try. Or you could just
change the font to Arial and see if that works.



Good luck.



Maureen







I'm talking about the font size that shows as a result of the .html
code.
The fragment I used is: <A HREF="#TOP">Back to Top</A>, which results
in a
bigger font than the one that shows on your website. So I can alter
the text
so all it says is "Top" (like yours), but I cannot manipulative the
size so
it is as small as yours. Interesting, yes?
--
karen3b


:

Karen,

Which font are you trying to change?
If you are looking at the font size of the 'Top' text, that was the
size
font the html code created, I didn't change that. Once you've inserted
the
html code onto your page, do a 'page preview' and you should see the
text.

If you're looking at the font size of the text by the directional
(orange)
arrows on my internal pages, they were just created in a small text
box and
I set the font size via the tool bar as usual. Then I placed the arrow
by
the side of the box.

Maureen


Hi, Maureen ~

Where did you change the font size? I tried:
1) from the .html box (fx not available);
2) by changing the font to 7 when in the text box above where I
inserted the .html code.
[It's sometimes the little things that drive me crazy!]
Thanks.
--
karen3b


:

Hi Karen,

The size of the text is determined by the font size, not the size
of the
box
and the font size that labels those arrows is Verdana 7. I use
Verdana in
most of my text, I think it's clear and easy to read. I seem to
remember
the
web design tutorial saying that 'Verdana' is the most effective
font for
body text and is easier to read at low resolutions. The font size
in most
of
the text is 9 or 10.

I have tried to make the navigation on my site as easy as possible,
trying
to think where I would want to go if I were viewing it. That's why
I also
put a link to the 'Prices' page on those two internal pages and if
you go
to
the prices page, you will see links back to both the caravan
details
pages.
These sort of links may not be necessary for your business, but for
my
business I know it's where the viewer wants to go.

Maureen






Hi, Maureen ~

Thanks for including your URL.

1) I like the arrow on the left hand bottom. For a
right-hander, it
is
handier -- it is tucked out of the way, and yet right where one
needs
it.
I'm going to check with a left-hander & see what she thinks of
it. I
know
that many left-handers use their right hand for mouse work.

I also like the size of text that labels the arrows. How did you
get
it
so
small? I played with the size on my web-in-progress & checked
the size
on
Web Preview. Didn't matter how tiny I shrank the box, the text
size
was
the
same. I could change what the text said. But I couldn't
eliminate the
text
and still have it function.

2) The way you have your internal pages links works nicely on
your
site.

3) My pages aren't as long as yours. Perhaps I overly restricted
my
verbage...!

4) I like the 2 choices you give on your internal pages. I've
never
thought about the option before. It is very clear & works well.
Plus
I
love
the small and yet-so-clear text.

I peruse www.webdesignfromscratch/com . I know it was one of the
first
sites I read -- but it feels like a long, long time ago...or at
least
many,
many websites ago!

Thanks again, Maureen, for giving me some more clean and clear
options.

--
karen3b


:

Hi Karen,

If I may jump in here for a moment, maybe you would like to have
a
look
at
how I did some of the things you are asking about? My website
address
is
www.devonviewcaravans.co.uk

So to try to answer your questions:
1."How to precisely place text for 'back to top' button?" As
you will
see
on my pages, I placed the 'back to top' text box on the right
hand
side
of
the page, obviously at the bottom. Some people prefer to place
it on
the
left, but I, like the majority of people, am right handed and
therefore
have
my mouse on the right hand side when working, so I always find
it more
natural to click on something like this if it's on the right. I
made
the
box
very small and then placed the blue arrow just above it. You
will need
to
do
this on every page and check with 'page preview' to make sure it
all
sits
nicely together.

2. "How to link the internal pages that aren't listed on the
NavBars;"
If
you click on 'Caravans' in the nav bar on my site, it will take
you to
a
page with two pictures on it. If you click on each picture, that
will
take
you to an internal page with more details. This was just simply
done
with
a
hyperlink...highlight the picture or text you want to link
click on
'Add
hyperlink' at the top of your pub page >place in this document,
select
the
page number, >click ok and voila!...the page is linked.

3. "Is there any need for Floating 'click-here' links?" I'm not
sure I
completely understand your question, but once you have placed
your
'back
to
top' button it will give the word 'Top' If you want to add some
sort
of
arrow or other words to that you can, but I would keep it simple
and
precise. Of course if your page is very long, you may want to
add this
link
halfway down the page.

4. "Currently have Arrows for page-to-page navigation @ the
bottom of
each
page's text:" I also used directional arrows for page to page
navigation,
but also used some text so that the viewer could choose exactly
which
page
he/she navigated to. If you look at the bottom of the internal
pages
you
will see the text to each page...again simply done with a
hyperlink.

Some of your questions appear to be about design as well as the
technical
stuff, so may I suggest you have a look at this website.
http://www.webdesignfromscratch.com/ It's a very good tutorial
about
web
design and one I used at the start of my 'venture'. It gives
very easy
to
follow instructions but also explains how people view your site
and
what
they would look for. Knowing what people expect from your site
can
determine
how you build it. I found it very useful.

Hope this helps.

Maureen







You're right, David. Don & Spike have helped me too. I
haven't had
'direct'
contact with John -- so I don't have an internal picture of
him. I
am
pretty
darn impressed by the knowledge & patience of those who have
helped
me.
If I
ever get enough knowledge/experience under my belt, I'd like
to give
back
to
the community. I certainly am appreciating the help! <g>

Back to Nav stuff:

a) Used a combo of your suggestions for the 'lone pages':
added
one
to
the
main NavBar; used a 1-row, 6-column table + hyperlinks for the
others.

b) 'back-to-top' button good 'nuff for now. Please notice
those
cute
little
graphics in the lower right corner of this website -- the
printer
graphic
&
the sheets-of- paper graphic? When moused over, lo 'n
behold --
text!
Mine
does not do that. Obviously not a crucial fx.

c) Have labelled those arrows. See above <g>

d) probably will need more navigation assists -- as well as
tweaking
those
already there -- before it is ready to be out there. But good
'nuff
for
now.

I'm now on to reading about thumbnails. Hopefully I now have
a
sufficient
organizational tree so that I can comprehend and implement the
information.
Don't hold your breath, though! I will be back.

I'm pleased that the website is coming together as fast as it
is
right
now.
ta DA <ltd>

Many thanks.
--
karen3b


:

Karen,

Hey, just cuz I have been answering most of your questions
doesn't
mean
you
have to address every post to me. Don, Spike, John and others
have
a
lot
of
knowledge about Publisher and help out here too...but since
you
asked.

1. As in the other post, just resize and move your code
fragment
box
where
ever you want it.

3. Floating - forget it IMHO.

2 & 4. How to link to internal pages is an open ended
conversation
that
depends on what you are wanting to do and your site
architecture.
If
your
main navbar links to sections of your site where you will
have
subsections,
then perhaps another navbar is appropriate. Perhaps even a
wizard
built
one.
Or say you have a section called 'Treatments' and within that
section
you
have a number of different treatments, each on their own
page, then
you
could create a simple text box with 'Treatments' as the
heading and
a
simple

 

[DavidF]

Welcome to the trial and terror of coding. However, you have reached the
wrong conclusions. Specifying the font does matter, but among other things
you have to use the exact font name. For example you used 'Trebuchet' and
the font is really called 'Trebuchet MS'. When you start writing code you
have to be very exact...no extra spaces, lack of spaces, the wrong
punctuation, etc. Furthermore 'Arial', Trebuchet MS' and Verdana' are all
similar fonts that when viewed at a small size are almost impossible to
distinguish from each other. Try this experiment...and don't worry, you can
just delete the code fragment boxes when you are done.

Go to the bottom of your page and insert the following code snippet into a
code fragment box:

<p><font face="Arial" size="3">
<A HREF="#TOP">Top of Page >></A>

Now resize the code fragment box so that it is wide enough for all the
words, but just high enough for the one line of text. Right click that code
fragment box > drag down below the first box > copy here. Move that box so
that it is directly under the first. Then double click and open that new
code fragment box and paste the following snippet:

<p><font face="Trebuchet MS" size="3">
<A HREF="#TOP">Top of Page >></A>

Make another code fragment box and insert this snippet:

<p><font face="Verdana" size="3">
<A HREF="#TOP">Top of Page >></A>

Make yet a fourth code fragment box and insert this snippet:

<p><font face="Impact" size="3">
<A HREF="#TOP">Top of Page >></A>

Now do a web page preview. You will see subtle differences in the first
three fonts, but the 'Impact' font difference really jumps out at you. If
you change the font size to 1, then it is almost impossible to see the
differences in the first three. The reason I worked out this code snippet to
begin with was that Times New Roman was the default font on my page but I
was using Arial and the Times New Roman just stood out like a sore thumb.

One final tip for you. As you have discovered the Insert HTML code fragment
feature is a very handy little tool to add some dynamic functionality to
your site. But as this experience suggests it is really easy to make a
mistake when you are writing code. My suggestion is to create a text box in
the gray scratch area off the page and write your code in that text box. I
even use the Courier font so that the spacing is uniform. Then you can just
copy and paste your code snippets into the code fragment box. If the code
fragment doesn't work as expected, you can then go back to that text box and
study your code and more easily find the error.

DavidF

After messing around with your suggestions, what I've concluded is:

With a 'back to top .html fragment':
-the "size" number matters within the code;
-the text word "Arial" doesn't matter -- looks like it is the extra
carrot that directs which font to print. [The words 'Verdana' and
'Trebuchet' don't make any difference to what is seen on the web page.]
Nor
did a tex box, filled with Verdana 7 point verbage & just above the
insertion of .html code, influence the visual outcome of the .html code in
any way. Using's David's code for Arial comes up with Arial -- even if
'Arial' is deleted from code or substituted with another font family. But
a
'1' is smaller than a '2'. Didn't try the '3' size.

Using the end of a sentence of the text to serve as the jumping off point
for a hyperlink to the top is really smooth & minimal.
However, dyed-in-the-wool adherents to webpagesthatsuck principles
would probably say that it falls into the category "Mystery Meat
Navigation"
because users would have to be familar with the convention of
underlined-and-different-colored text-indicates-a-link and know to 'click
here' to go somewhere/make a change.

And now I have two more options plus variations of same. That's momental
growth. Faster than even .com days! <g>

Thanks!
--
karen3b

Have you tried to just put some text at the bottom of the page (any
style,
size, font etc) then hyperlink it to the same page you are on. I tried
that
and it went to the top of the page

Spike

Hi Karen,

Yes very puzzling...I'm afraid it will take one of the other people
here
with far more knowledge than I to answer that one.

I used the same code that you have put here, except that I took out the
'Back to' bit 'cuz I only wanted the word 'Top' i.e.
<A HREF="#TOP">Top</A>

I wonder if it would work if you did a copy and paste of this code,
saved
it in a word doc., then changed the font size and then used a copy and
paste of that code to insert into the html box? Don't know if it will
work, I'm no wiz at coding, but it's worth a try. Or you could just
change
the font to Arial and see if that works.



Good luck.



Maureen







I'm talking about the font size that shows as a result of the .html
code.
The fragment I used is: <A HREF="#TOP">Back to Top</A>, which results
in
a
bigger font than the one that shows on your website. So I can alter
the
text
so all it says is "Top" (like yours), but I cannot manipulative the
size
so
it is as small as yours. Interesting, yes?
--
karen3b


:

Karen,

Which font are you trying to change?
If you are looking at the font size of the 'Top' text, that was the
size
font the html code created, I didn't change that. Once you've
inserted
the
html code onto your page, do a 'page preview' and you should see the
text.

If you're looking at the font size of the text by the directional
(orange)
arrows on my internal pages, they were just created in a small text
box
and
I set the font size via the tool bar as usual. Then I placed the
arrow
by
the side of the box.

Maureen


Hi, Maureen ~

Where did you change the font size? I tried:
1) from the .html box (fx not available);
2) by changing the font to 7 when in the text box above where I
inserted the .html code.
[It's sometimes the little things that drive me crazy!]
Thanks.
--
karen3b


:

Hi Karen,

The size of the text is determined by the font size, not the size
of
the
box
and the font size that labels those arrows is Verdana 7. I use
Verdana in
most of my text, I think it's clear and easy to read. I seem to
remember
the
web design tutorial saying that 'Verdana' is the most effective
font
for
body text and is easier to read at low resolutions. The font size
in
most
of
the text is 9 or 10.

I have tried to make the navigation on my site as easy as
possible,
trying
to think where I would want to go if I were viewing it. That's why
I
also
put a link to the 'Prices' page on those two internal pages and if
you go
to
the prices page, you will see links back to both the caravan
details
pages.
These sort of links may not be necessary for your business, but
for
my
business I know it's where the viewer wants to go.

Maureen






Hi, Maureen ~

Thanks for including your URL.

1) I like the arrow on the left hand bottom. For a
right-hander,
it
is
handier -- it is tucked out of the way, and yet right where one
needs
it.
I'm going to check with a left-hander & see what she thinks of
it.
I
know
that many left-handers use their right hand for mouse work.

I also like the size of text that labels the arrows. How did
you
get
it
so
small? I played with the size on my web-in-progress & checked
the
size
on
Web Preview. Didn't matter how tiny I shrank the box, the text
size
was
the
same. I could change what the text said. But I couldn't
eliminate
the
text
and still have it function.

2) The way you have your internal pages links works nicely on
your
site.

3) My pages aren't as long as yours. Perhaps I overly
restricted
my
verbage...!

4) I like the 2 choices you give on your internal pages. I've
never
thought about the option before. It is very clear & works well.
Plus
I
love
the small and yet-so-clear text.

I peruse www.webdesignfromscratch/com . I know it was one of
the
first
sites I read -- but it feels like a long, long time ago...or at
least
many,
many websites ago!

Thanks again, Maureen, for giving me some more clean and clear
options.

--
karen3b


:

Hi Karen,

If I may jump in here for a moment, maybe you would like to
have a
look
at
how I did some of the things you are asking about? My website
address
is
www.devonviewcaravans.co.uk

So to try to answer your questions:
1."How to precisely place text for 'back to top' button?" As
you
will
see
on my pages, I placed the 'back to top' text box on the right
hand
side
of
the page, obviously at the bottom. Some people prefer to place
it
on
the
left, but I, like the majority of people, am right handed and
therefore
have
my mouse on the right hand side when working, so I always find
it
more
natural to click on something like this if it's on the right. I
made
the
box
very small and then placed the blue arrow just above it. You
will
need
to
do
this on every page and check with 'page preview' to make sure
it
all
sits
nicely together.

2. "How to link the internal pages that aren't listed on the
NavBars;"
If
you click on 'Caravans' in the nav bar on my site, it will take
you to
a
page with two pictures on it. If you click on each picture,
that
will
take
you to an internal page with more details. This was just simply
done
with
a
hyperlink...highlight the picture or text you want to link
click
on
'Add
hyperlink' at the top of your pub page >place in this document,
select
the
page number, >click ok and voila!...the page is linked.

3. "Is there any need for Floating 'click-here' links?" I'm not
sure I
completely understand your question, but once you have placed
your
'back
to
top' button it will give the word 'Top' If you want to add some
sort
of
arrow or other words to that you can, but I would keep it
simple
and
precise. Of course if your page is very long, you may want to
add
this
link
halfway down the page.

4. "Currently have Arrows for page-to-page navigation @ the
bottom
of
each
page's text:" I also used directional arrows for page to page
navigation,
but also used some text so that the viewer could choose exactly
which
page
he/she navigated to. If you look at the bottom of the internal
pages
you
will see the text to each page...again simply done with a
hyperlink.

Some of your questions appear to be about design as well as the
technical
stuff, so may I suggest you have a look at this website.
http://www.webdesignfromscratch.com/ It's a very good tutorial
about
web
design and one I used at the start of my 'venture'. It gives
very
easy
to
follow instructions but also explains how people view your site
and
what
they would look for. Knowing what people expect from your site
can
determine
how you build it. I found it very useful.

Hope this helps.

Maureen

 

[DavidF]

Spike,

Your point is well taken, and that is the easiest solution, but when your
page is actually posted online, what you are really doing is reloading the
page when you do that. The code snippet doesn't reload the page. The
difference is probably unnoticeable with a high speed connection, but in a
dial-up it is noticeably slower...there is a lag moment or so.

With that said however, if a person is using Publisher 2007 then one should
probably avail themselves of the ability to add anchors, including a 'Top'
anchor, and write the links to take the viewer to any specified anchor on
any page. This also writes a full link to that anchor. This feature is not
available in Publisher 2000 which is where I first used the code snippets.
You must insert code snippets to insert anchors. And since the code snippet
will work in any version that is why I suggest it as a way to go to the top.

Just an explanation as to my madness ;-)

DavidF

Have you tried to just put some text at the bottom of the page (any style,
size, font etc) then hyperlink it to the same page you are on. I tried
that and it went to the top of the page

Spike

Hi Karen,

Yes very puzzling...I'm afraid it will take one of the other people here
with far more knowledge than I to answer that one.

I used the same code that you have put here, except that I took out the
'Back to' bit 'cuz I only wanted the word 'Top' i.e.
<A HREF="#TOP">Top</A>

I wonder if it would work if you did a copy and paste of this code, saved
it in a word doc., then changed the font size and then used a copy and
paste of that code to insert into the html box? Don't know if it will
work, I'm no wiz at coding, but it's worth a try. Or you could just
change the font to Arial and see if that works.



Good luck.



Maureen

I'm talking about the font size that shows as a result of the .html
code.
The fragment I used is: <A HREF="#TOP">Back to Top</A>, which results in
a
bigger font than the one that shows on your website. So I can alter the
text
so all it says is "Top" (like yours), but I cannot manipulative the size
so
it is as small as yours. Interesting, yes?
--
karen3b


:

Karen,

Which font are you trying to change?
If you are looking at the font size of the 'Top' text, that was the
size
font the html code created, I didn't change that. Once you've inserted
the
html code onto your page, do a 'page preview' and you should see the
text.

If you're looking at the font size of the text by the directional
(orange)
arrows on my internal pages, they were just created in a small text box
and
I set the font size via the tool bar as usual. Then I placed the arrow
by
the side of the box.

Maureen


Hi, Maureen ~

Where did you change the font size? I tried:
1) from the .html box (fx not available);
2) by changing the font to 7 when in the text box above where I
inserted the .html code.
[It's sometimes the little things that drive me crazy!]
Thanks.
--
karen3b


:

Hi Karen,

The size of the text is determined by the font size, not the size of
the
box
and the font size that labels those arrows is Verdana 7. I use
Verdana in
most of my text, I think it's clear and easy to read. I seem to
remember
the
web design tutorial saying that 'Verdana' is the most effective font
for
body text and is easier to read at low resolutions. The font size in
most
of
the text is 9 or 10.

I have tried to make the navigation on my site as easy as possible,
trying
to think where I would want to go if I were viewing it. That's why I
also
put a link to the 'Prices' page on those two internal pages and if
you go
to
the prices page, you will see links back to both the caravan details
pages.
These sort of links may not be necessary for your business, but for
my
business I know it's where the viewer wants to go.

Maureen






Hi, Maureen ~

Thanks for including your URL.

1) I like the arrow on the left hand bottom. For a right-hander,
it
is
handier -- it is tucked out of the way, and yet right where one
needs
it.
I'm going to check with a left-hander & see what she thinks of it.
I
know
that many left-handers use their right hand for mouse work.

I also like the size of text that labels the arrows. How did you
get
it
so
small? I played with the size on my web-in-progress & checked the
size
on
Web Preview. Didn't matter how tiny I shrank the box, the text
size
was
the
same. I could change what the text said. But I couldn't
eliminate the
text
and still have it function.

2) The way you have your internal pages links works nicely on your
site.

3) My pages aren't as long as yours. Perhaps I overly restricted
my
verbage...!

4) I like the 2 choices you give on your internal pages. I've
never
thought about the option before. It is very clear & works well.
Plus
I
love
the small and yet-so-clear text.

I peruse www.webdesignfromscratch/com . I know it was one of the
first
sites I read -- but it feels like a long, long time ago...or at
least
many,
many websites ago!

Thanks again, Maureen, for giving me some more clean and clear
options.

--
karen3b


:

Hi Karen,

If I may jump in here for a moment, maybe you would like to have
a
look
at
how I did some of the things you are asking about? My website
address
is
www.devonviewcaravans.co.uk

So to try to answer your questions:
1."How to precisely place text for 'back to top' button?" As you
will
see
on my pages, I placed the 'back to top' text box on the right
hand
side
of
the page, obviously at the bottom. Some people prefer to place it
on
the
left, but I, like the majority of people, am right handed and
therefore
have
my mouse on the right hand side when working, so I always find it
more
natural to click on something like this if it's on the right. I
made
the
box
very small and then placed the blue arrow just above it. You will
need
to
do
this on every page and check with 'page preview' to make sure it
all
sits
nicely together.

2. "How to link the internal pages that aren't listed on the
NavBars;"
If
you click on 'Caravans' in the nav bar on my site, it will take
you to
a
page with two pictures on it. If you click on each picture, that
will
take
you to an internal page with more details. This was just simply
done
with
a
hyperlink...highlight the picture or text you want to link >click
on
'Add
hyperlink' at the top of your pub page >place in this document,
select
the
page number, >click ok and voila!...the page is linked.

3. "Is there any need for Floating 'click-here' links?" I'm not
sure I
completely understand your question, but once you have placed
your
'back
to
top' button it will give the word 'Top' If you want to add some
sort
of
arrow or other words to that you can, but I would keep it simple
and
precise. Of course if your page is very long, you may want to add
this
link
halfway down the page.

4. "Currently have Arrows for page-to-page navigation @ the
bottom of
each
page's text:" I also used directional arrows for page to page
navigation,
but also used some text so that the viewer could choose exactly
which
page
he/she navigated to. If you look at the bottom of the internal
pages
you
will see the text to each page...again simply done with a
hyperlink.

Some of your questions appear to be about design as well as the
technical
stuff, so may I suggest you have a look at this website.
http://www.webdesignfromscratch.com/ It's a very good tutorial
about
web
design and one I used at the start of my 'venture'. It gives very
easy
to
follow instructions but also explains how people view your site
and
what
they would look for. Knowing what people expect from your site
can
determine
how you build it. I found it very useful.

Hope this helps.

Maureen







You're right, David. Don & Spike have helped me too. I
haven't had
'direct'
contact with John -- so I don't have an internal picture of
him. I
am
pretty
darn impressed by the knowledge & patience of those who have
helped
me.
If I
ever get enough knowledge/experience under my belt, I'd like to
give
back
to
the community. I certainly am appreciating the help! <g>

Back to Nav stuff:

a) Used a combo of your suggestions for the 'lone pages':
added
one
to
the
main NavBar; used a 1-row, 6-column table + hyperlinks for the
others.

b) 'back-to-top' button good 'nuff for now. Please notice
those
cute
little
graphics in the lower right corner of this website -- the
printer
graphic
&
the sheets-of- paper graphic? When moused over, lo 'n
behold --
text!
Mine
does not do that. Obviously not a crucial fx.

c) Have labelled those arrows. See above <g>

d) probably will need more navigation assists -- as well as
tweaking
those
already there -- before it is ready to be out there. But good
'nuff
for
now.

I'm now on to reading about thumbnails. Hopefully I now have a
sufficient
organizational tree so that I can comprehend and implement the
information.
Don't hold your breath, though! I will be back.

I'm pleased that the website is coming together as fast as it
is
right
now.
ta DA <ltd>

Many thanks.
--
karen3b


:

Karen,

Hey, just cuz I have been answering most of your questions
doesn't
mean
you
have to address every post to me. Don, Spike, John and others
have
a
lot
of
knowledge about Publisher and help out here too...but since
you
asked.

1. As in the other post, just resize and move your code
fragment
box
where
ever you want it.

3. Floating - forget it IMHO.

2 & 4. How to link to internal pages is an open ended
conversation
that
depends on what you are wanting to do and your site
architecture.
If
your
main navbar links to sections of your site where you will have
subsections,
then perhaps another navbar is appropriate. Perhaps even a
wizard
built
one.
Or say you have a section called 'Treatments' and within that
section
you
have a number of different treatments, each on their own page,
then
you
could create a simple text box with 'Treatments' as the
heading and
a
simple

 

[karen3b]

Hi, David ~
So, for the first grouping I ended up with 4 html boxes that all had
size '3' in the code. The top 3 were pretty similar, with the main
difference being how the 'g' is formed. The 4th box (impact) showed only the
code -- and the font didn't look shaped different, although the color was.

When I made the 2nd grouping of 4, the text size was even smaller so
the 'g' was harder to notice. And the 'impact' box showed the code w/ a
different color.

So I studied the 4th box, comparing the code to the top 3 boxes. The
only difference I could see (with non-trained-for-code eyes) was the text
descriptor for the font, e.g. Impact vs Trebuchet MS or Arial or Verdana.

Do you know what went wrong? Since I copied & pasted from your
instructions, the chances of a transcription code are slim.

I am assuming that I was supposed to end up with a total of 4 boxes in
ea grouping, all of which contain 2 lines of code; then shrunk down so only
the 1st line shows -- is that correct?

[By the way, I do better with Maida Heatter-style instructions when
attempting a task for the first time. Is that an analogy that is obscure, or
not? <g>]

While I'm being random, why is the convention two little arrows/carrots
pointing right for 'go back to top'? I did notice that I could not find
readily available double arrows pointing up -- just a single one, which would
be hard to double....However, there is a pre-grouped double-carrot pointing
right & one set pointing left.
--
karen3b

Welcome to the trial and terror of coding. However, you have reached the
wrong conclusions. Specifying the font does matter, but among other things
you have to use the exact font name. For example you used 'Trebuchet' and
the font is really called 'Trebuchet MS'. When you start writing code you
have to be very exact...no extra spaces, lack of spaces, the wrong
punctuation, etc. Furthermore 'Arial', Trebuchet MS' and Verdana' are all
similar fonts that when viewed at a small size are almost impossible to
distinguish from each other. Try this experiment...and don't worry, you can
just delete the code fragment boxes when you are done.

Go to the bottom of your page and insert the following code snippet into a
code fragment box:

<p><font face="Arial" size="3">
<A HREF="#TOP">Top of Page >></A>

Now resize the code fragment box so that it is wide enough for all the
words, but just high enough for the one line of text. Right click that code
fragment box > drag down below the first box > copy here. Move that box so
that it is directly under the first. Then double click and open that new
code fragment box and paste the following snippet:

<p><font face="Trebuchet MS" size="3">
<A HREF="#TOP">Top of Page >></A>

Make another code fragment box and insert this snippet:

<p><font face="Verdana" size="3">
<A HREF="#TOP">Top of Page >></A>

Make yet a fourth code fragment box and insert this snippet:

<p><font face="Impact" size="3">
<A HREF="#TOP">Top of Page >></A>

Now do a web page preview. You will see subtle differences in the first
three fonts, but the 'Impact' font difference really jumps out at you. If
you change the font size to 1, then it is almost impossible to see the
differences in the first three. The reason I worked out this code snippet to
begin with was that Times New Roman was the default font on my page but I
was using Arial and the Times New Roman just stood out like a sore thumb.

One final tip for you. As you have discovered the Insert HTML code fragment
feature is a very handy little tool to add some dynamic functionality to
your site. But as this experience suggests it is really easy to make a
mistake when you are writing code. My suggestion is to create a text box in
the gray scratch area off the page and write your code in that text box. I
even use the Courier font so that the spacing is uniform. Then you can just
copy and paste your code snippets into the code fragment box. If the code
fragment doesn't work as expected, you can then go back to that text box and
study your code and more easily find the error.

DavidF

After messing around with your suggestions, what I've concluded is:

With a 'back to top .html fragment':
-the "size" number matters within the code;
-the text word "Arial" doesn't matter -- looks like it is the extra
carrot that directs which font to print. [The words 'Verdana' and
'Trebuchet' don't make any difference to what is seen on the web page.]
Nor
did a tex box, filled with Verdana 7 point verbage & just above the
insertion of .html code, influence the visual outcome of the .html code in
any way. Using's David's code for Arial comes up with Arial -- even if
'Arial' is deleted from code or substituted with another font family. But
a
'1' is smaller than a '2'. Didn't try the '3' size.

Using the end of a sentence of the text to serve as the jumping off point
for a hyperlink to the top is really smooth & minimal.
However, dyed-in-the-wool adherents to webpagesthatsuck principles
would probably say that it falls into the category "Mystery Meat
Navigation"
because users would have to be familar with the convention of
underlined-and-different-colored text-indicates-a-link and know to 'click
here' to go somewhere/make a change.

And now I have two more options plus variations of same. That's momental
growth. Faster than even .com days! <g>

Thanks!
--
karen3b

Have you tried to just put some text at the bottom of the page (any
style,
size, font etc) then hyperlink it to the same page you are on. I tried
that
and it went to the top of the page

Spike

"MAURH" <???> wrote in message
Hi Karen,

Yes very puzzling...I'm afraid it will take one of the other people
here
with far more knowledge than I to answer that one.

I used the same code that you have put here, except that I took out the
'Back to' bit 'cuz I only wanted the word 'Top' i.e.
<A HREF="#TOP">Top</A>

I wonder if it would work if you did a copy and paste of this code,
saved
it in a word doc., then changed the font size and then used a copy and
paste of that code to insert into the html box? Don't know if it will
work, I'm no wiz at coding, but it's worth a try. Or you could just
change
the font to Arial and see if that works.



Good luck.



Maureen







I'm talking about the font size that shows as a result of the .html
code.
The fragment I used is: <A HREF="#TOP">Back to Top</A>, which results
in
a
bigger font than the one that shows on your website. So I can alter
the
text
so all it says is "Top" (like yours), but I cannot manipulative the
size
so
it is as small as yours. Interesting, yes?
--
karen3b


:

Karen,

Which font are you trying to change?
If you are looking at the font size of the 'Top' text, that was the
size
font the html code created, I didn't change that. Once you've
inserted
the
html code onto your page, do a 'page preview' and you should see the
text.

If you're looking at the font size of the text by the directional
(orange)
arrows on my internal pages, they were just created in a small text
box
and
I set the font size via the tool bar as usual. Then I placed the
arrow
by
the side of the box.

Maureen


Hi, Maureen ~

Where did you change the font size? I tried:
1) from the .html box (fx not available);
2) by changing the font to 7 when in the text box above where I
inserted the .html code.
[It's sometimes the little things that drive me crazy!]
Thanks.
--
karen3b


:

Hi Karen,

The size of the text is determined by the font size, not the size
of
the
box
and the font size that labels those arrows is Verdana 7. I use
Verdana in
most of my text, I think it's clear and easy to read. I seem to
remember
the
web design tutorial saying that 'Verdana' is the most effective
font
for
body text and is easier to read at low resolutions. The font size
in
most
of
the text is 9 or 10.

I have tried to make the navigation on my site as easy as
possible,
trying
to think where I would want to go if I were viewing it. That's why
I
also
put a link to the 'Prices' page on those two internal pages and if
you go
to
the prices page, you will see links back to both the caravan
details
pages.
These sort of links may not be necessary for your business, but
for
my
business I know it's where the viewer wants to go.

Maureen






Hi, Maureen ~

Thanks for including your URL.

1) I like the arrow on the left hand bottom. For a
right-hander,
it
is
handier -- it is tucked out of the way, and yet right where one
needs
it.
I'm going to check with a left-hander & see what she thinks of
it.
I
know
that many left-handers use their right hand for mouse work.

I also like the size of text that labels the arrows. How did
you
get
it
so
small? I played with the size on my web-in-progress & checked
the
size
on
Web Preview. Didn't matter how tiny I shrank the box, the text
size
was
the
same. I could change what the text said. But I couldn't
eliminate
the
text
and still have it function.

2) The way you have your internal pages links works nicely on
your
site.

3) My pages aren't as long as yours. Perhaps I overly
restricted
my
verbage...!

4) I like the 2 choices you give on your internal pages. I've
never
thought about the option before. It is very clear & works well.
Plus
I
love
the small and yet-so-clear text.

I peruse www.webdesignfromscratch/com . I know it was one of
the
first
sites I read -- but it feels like a long, long time ago...or at
least
many,
many websites ago!

 

[karen3b]

Hey, and what you did on your web site works great.

It's when I tried to push the envelope that the underlying requirement for
different code showed its tricky belly.

Again, thanks for the info & options. I hope to get to where you're at: a
functional website that looks clean & functions well!
--
karen3b

Well there ya go Karen, told you it needed one of the experts!! I had
doubts that my idea would work and I had a feeling that you would need to
change the code snippet, just wasn't sure how....but I'm sure DavidF's
answer will work for you.

Good luck

Maureen

When you use text in a code fragment such as this, it will use the default
font and font size of the page that it is on. You can't change that by
just selecting the code fragment as you would text in a text box. Instead
you have to change the code snippet. Try this:

<p><font face="Arial" size="2">
<A HREF="#TOP">Top of Page >></A>

This snippet will use Arial as the font, and the size will be about a 10
point font. Change the 2 to 1 and it will drop to around an 8 point font.

DavidF

Hi Karen,

Yes very puzzling...I'm afraid it will take one of the other people here
with far more knowledge than I to answer that one.

I used the same code that you have put here, except that I took out the
'Back to' bit 'cuz I only wanted the word 'Top' i.e.
<A HREF="#TOP">Top</A>

I wonder if it would work if you did a copy and paste of this code, saved
it in a word doc., then changed the font size and then used a copy and
paste of that code to insert into the html box? Don't know if it will
work, I'm no wiz at coding, but it's worth a try. Or you could just
change the font to Arial and see if that works.



Good luck.



Maureen







I'm talking about the font size that shows as a result of the .html
code.
The fragment I used is: <A HREF="#TOP">Back to Top</A>, which results in
a
bigger font than the one that shows on your website. So I can alter the
text
so all it says is "Top" (like yours), but I cannot manipulative the size
so
it is as small as yours. Interesting, yes?
--
karen3b


:

Karen,

Which font are you trying to change?
If you are looking at the font size of the 'Top' text, that was the
size
font the html code created, I didn't change that. Once you've inserted
the
html code onto your page, do a 'page preview' and you should see the
text.

If you're looking at the font size of the text by the directional
(orange)
arrows on my internal pages, they were just created in a small text box
and
I set the font size via the tool bar as usual. Then I placed the arrow
by
the side of the box.

Maureen


Hi, Maureen ~

Where did you change the font size? I tried:
1) from the .html box (fx not available);
2) by changing the font to 7 when in the text box above where I
inserted the .html code.
[It's sometimes the little things that drive me crazy!]
Thanks.
--
karen3b


:

Hi Karen,

The size of the text is determined by the font size, not the size of
the
box
and the font size that labels those arrows is Verdana 7. I use
Verdana in
most of my text, I think it's clear and easy to read. I seem to
remember
the
web design tutorial saying that 'Verdana' is the most effective font
for
body text and is easier to read at low resolutions. The font size in
most
of
the text is 9 or 10.

I have tried to make the navigation on my site as easy as possible,
trying
to think where I would want to go if I were viewing it. That's why I
also
put a link to the 'Prices' page on those two internal pages and if
you go
to
the prices page, you will see links back to both the caravan details
pages.
These sort of links may not be necessary for your business, but for
my
business I know it's where the viewer wants to go.

Maureen






Hi, Maureen ~

Thanks for including your URL.

1) I like the arrow on the left hand bottom. For a right-hander,
it
is
handier -- it is tucked out of the way, and yet right where one
needs
it.
I'm going to check with a left-hander & see what she thinks of it.
I
know
that many left-handers use their right hand for mouse work.

I also like the size of text that labels the arrows. How did you
get
it
so
small? I played with the size on my web-in-progress & checked the
size
on
Web Preview. Didn't matter how tiny I shrank the box, the text
size
was
the
same. I could change what the text said. But I couldn't
eliminate the
text
and still have it function.

2) The way you have your internal pages links works nicely on your
site.

3) My pages aren't as long as yours. Perhaps I overly restricted
my
verbage...!

4) I like the 2 choices you give on your internal pages. I've
never
thought about the option before. It is very clear & works well.
Plus
I
love
the small and yet-so-clear text.

I peruse www.webdesignfromscratch/com . I know it was one of the
first
sites I read -- but it feels like a long, long time ago...or at
least
many,
many websites ago!

Thanks again, Maureen, for giving me some more clean and clear
options.

--
karen3b


:

Hi Karen,

If I may jump in here for a moment, maybe you would like to have
a
look
at
how I did some of the things you are asking about? My website
address
is
www.devonviewcaravans.co.uk

So to try to answer your questions:
1."How to precisely place text for 'back to top' button?" As you
will
see
on my pages, I placed the 'back to top' text box on the right
hand
side
of
the page, obviously at the bottom. Some people prefer to place it
on
the
left, but I, like the majority of people, am right handed and
therefore
have
my mouse on the right hand side when working, so I always find it
more
natural to click on something like this if it's on the right. I
made
the
box
very small and then placed the blue arrow just above it. You will
need
to
do
this on every page and check with 'page preview' to make sure it
all
sits
nicely together.

2. "How to link the internal pages that aren't listed on the
NavBars;"
If
you click on 'Caravans' in the nav bar on my site, it will take
you to
a
page with two pictures on it. If you click on each picture, that
will
take
you to an internal page with more details. This was just simply
done
with
a
hyperlink...highlight the picture or text you want to link >click
on
'Add
hyperlink' at the top of your pub page >place in this document,
select
the
page number, >click ok and voila!...the page is linked.

3. "Is there any need for Floating 'click-here' links?" I'm not
sure I
completely understand your question, but once you have placed
your
'back
to
top' button it will give the word 'Top' If you want to add some
sort
of
arrow or other words to that you can, but I would keep it simple
and
precise. Of course if your page is very long, you may want to add
this
link
halfway down the page.

4. "Currently have Arrows for page-to-page navigation @ the
bottom of
each
page's text:" I also used directional arrows for page to page
navigation,
but also used some text so that the viewer could choose exactly
which
page
he/she navigated to. If you look at the bottom of the internal
pages
you

 

[karen3b]

OMG.

How does one put in Anchors? I believe that I get what they are. And I
vaguely remember using them on other websites. They're handy when you need
them. And, as Spike says, annoying when they aren't available 'n the page is
too long for a direct-to-the-point person.

I have one longer page -- where I used 'back to the top' .html frags in 2
places before the bottom of the page.
--
karen3b

Spike,

Your point is well taken, and that is the easiest solution, but when your
page is actually posted online, what you are really doing is reloading the
page when you do that. The code snippet doesn't reload the page. The
difference is probably unnoticeable with a high speed connection, but in a
dial-up it is noticeably slower...there is a lag moment or so.

With that said however, if a person is using Publisher 2007 then one should
probably avail themselves of the ability to add anchors, including a 'Top'
anchor, and write the links to take the viewer to any specified anchor on
any page. This also writes a full link to that anchor. This feature is not
available in Publisher 2000 which is where I first used the code snippets.
You must insert code snippets to insert anchors. And since the code snippet
will work in any version that is why I suggest it as a way to go to the top.

Just an explanation as to my madness ;-)

DavidF

Have you tried to just put some text at the bottom of the page (any style,
size, font etc) then hyperlink it to the same page you are on. I tried
that and it went to the top of the page

Spike

Hi Karen,

Yes very puzzling...I'm afraid it will take one of the other people here
with far more knowledge than I to answer that one.

I used the same code that you have put here, except that I took out the
'Back to' bit 'cuz I only wanted the word 'Top' i.e.
<A HREF="#TOP">Top</A>

I wonder if it would work if you did a copy and paste of this code, saved
it in a word doc., then changed the font size and then used a copy and
paste of that code to insert into the html box? Don't know if it will
work, I'm no wiz at coding, but it's worth a try. Or you could just
change the font to Arial and see if that works.



Good luck.



Maureen







I'm talking about the font size that shows as a result of the .html
code.
The fragment I used is: <A HREF="#TOP">Back to Top</A>, which results in
a
bigger font than the one that shows on your website. So I can alter the
text
so all it says is "Top" (like yours), but I cannot manipulative the size
so
it is as small as yours. Interesting, yes?
--
karen3b


:

Karen,

Which font are you trying to change?
If you are looking at the font size of the 'Top' text, that was the
size
font the html code created, I didn't change that. Once you've inserted
the
html code onto your page, do a 'page preview' and you should see the
text.

If you're looking at the font size of the text by the directional
(orange)
arrows on my internal pages, they were just created in a small text box
and
I set the font size via the tool bar as usual. Then I placed the arrow
by
the side of the box.

Maureen


Hi, Maureen ~

Where did you change the font size? I tried:
1) from the .html box (fx not available);
2) by changing the font to 7 when in the text box above where I
inserted the .html code.
[It's sometimes the little things that drive me crazy!]
Thanks.
--
karen3b


:

Hi Karen,

The size of the text is determined by the font size, not the size of
the
box
and the font size that labels those arrows is Verdana 7. I use
Verdana in
most of my text, I think it's clear and easy to read. I seem to
remember
the
web design tutorial saying that 'Verdana' is the most effective font
for
body text and is easier to read at low resolutions. The font size in
most
of
the text is 9 or 10.

I have tried to make the navigation on my site as easy as possible,
trying
to think where I would want to go if I were viewing it. That's why I
also
put a link to the 'Prices' page on those two internal pages and if
you go
to
the prices page, you will see links back to both the caravan details
pages.
These sort of links may not be necessary for your business, but for
my
business I know it's where the viewer wants to go.

Maureen






Hi, Maureen ~

Thanks for including your URL.

1) I like the arrow on the left hand bottom. For a right-hander,
it
is
handier -- it is tucked out of the way, and yet right where one
needs
it.
I'm going to check with a left-hander & see what she thinks of it.
I
know
that many left-handers use their right hand for mouse work.

I also like the size of text that labels the arrows. How did you
get
it
so
small? I played with the size on my web-in-progress & checked the
size
on
Web Preview. Didn't matter how tiny I shrank the box, the text
size
was
the
same. I could change what the text said. But I couldn't
eliminate the
text
and still have it function.

2) The way you have your internal pages links works nicely on your
site.

3) My pages aren't as long as yours. Perhaps I overly restricted
my
verbage...!

4) I like the 2 choices you give on your internal pages. I've
never
thought about the option before. It is very clear & works well.
Plus
I
love
the small and yet-so-clear text.

I peruse www.webdesignfromscratch/com . I know it was one of the
first
sites I read -- but it feels like a long, long time ago...or at
least
many,
many websites ago!

Thanks again, Maureen, for giving me some more clean and clear
options.

--
karen3b


:

Hi Karen,

If I may jump in here for a moment, maybe you would like to have
a
look
at
how I did some of the things you are asking about? My website
address
is
www.devonviewcaravans.co.uk

So to try to answer your questions:
1."How to precisely place text for 'back to top' button?" As you
will
see
on my pages, I placed the 'back to top' text box on the right
hand
side
of
the page, obviously at the bottom. Some people prefer to place it
on
the
left, but I, like the majority of people, am right handed and
therefore
have
my mouse on the right hand side when working, so I always find it
more
natural to click on something like this if it's on the right. I
made
the
box
very small and then placed the blue arrow just above it. You will
need
to
do
this on every page and check with 'page preview' to make sure it
all
sits
nicely together.

2. "How to link the internal pages that aren't listed on the
NavBars;"
If
you click on 'Caravans' in the nav bar on my site, it will take
you to
a
page with two pictures on it. If you click on each picture, that
will
take
you to an internal page with more details. This was just simply
done
with
a
hyperlink...highlight the picture or text you want to link >click
on
'Add
hyperlink' at the top of your pub page >place in this document,
select
the
page number, >click ok and voila!...the page is linked.

3. "Is there any need for Floating 'click-here' links?" I'm not
sure I
completely understand your question, but once you have placed
your
'back
to
top' button it will give the word 'Top' If you want to add some
sort
of
arrow or other words to that you can, but I would keep it simple
and
precise. Of course if your page is very long, you may want to add
this
link
halfway down the page.

4. "Currently have Arrows for page-to-page navigation @ the
bottom of
each
page's text:" I also used directional arrows for page to page
navigation,
but also used some text so that the viewer could choose exactly
which
page
he/she navigated to. If you look at the bottom of the internal