EMF files gone wild...scaling after 2003 upgrade...

[DaveL]

I work in a technical publications group and the standard in our office for
years has been Visio to .emf to Framemaker, so we have thousands of graphics
in emf format, and the emf files import into Framemaker at the same size as
the original Visio file.

I've recently been upgraded to XP Pro (from 2000), Office 2003, and
Framemaker 7.1p116. Now when I create a new graphic or edit an existing
graphic using Visio 2003, save it as an emf and import it by reference into
Frame, it comes in about 120% larger than the original Visio file. The same
is true for emf files exported from Adobe Illustrator. However, if I insert
that same emf from Visio into Word 2003, it comes in at the correct size. I'm
not about to ask the writers I work with to scale every graphic they get from
me, and I'm not about to start changing every graphic I work on to 84%
smaller so it comes in at the right size. And, as emf has been our standard
and thousands of our Frame files reference emf files, it would be very
difficult and inconvenient to switch to a different format. Have you heard of
this similar problem before? Do you know what is going on and is there a
simple fix??...patch, graphics filter...go back to Office 2000??

Any help and advise would be appreciated.

 

[Evadne Cake]

I work in a technical publications group and the standard in our office for
years has been Visio to .emf to Framemaker, so we have thousands of graphics
in emf format, and the emf files import into Framemaker at the same size as
the original Visio file.

I've recently been upgraded to XP Pro (from 2000), Office 2003, and
Framemaker 7.1p116. Now when I create a new graphic or edit an existing
graphic using Visio 2003, save it as an emf and import it by reference into
Frame, it comes in about 120% larger than the original Visio file. The same
is true for emf files exported from Adobe Illustrator. However, if I insert
that same emf from Visio into Word 2003, it comes in at the correct size. I'm

not about to ask the writers I work with to scale every graphic they get from

me, and I'm not about to start changing every graphic I work on to 84%
smaller so it comes in at the right size. And, as emf has been our standard
and thousands of our Frame files reference emf files, it would be very
difficult and inconvenient to switch to a different format. Have you heard of

this similar problem before? Do you know what is going on and is there a
simple fix??...patch, graphics filter...go back to Office 2000??

Any help and advise would be appreciated.

Question: - How do you know this is an Office issues and not a FrameMaker
issue? After all, you've upgraded them both...The fact that you can insert it
into Word fine, would indicate to me that it's an issue with FrameMaker. As
this is an Office group, we can't assist with that. Suggest you contact
Adobe.

 

[Bob Buckland ?:-\)]

Hi Dave,

You may want to also post this in the MS Office Visio newsgroup
(link below) however, as you mentioned you're getting the
same behavior with Adobe exports of EMFs you may also want
to check with folks in FrameMaker support.

Word will generally honor a PPI (pixel per inch) setting stored
inside of a graphic. The EMFs from Visio 2003 would generally
have the value of 96PPI stored.

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I work in a technical publications group and the standard in our office for
years has been Visio to .emf to Framemaker, so we have thousands of graphics
in emf format, and the emf files import into Framemaker at the same size as
the original Visio file.

I've recently been upgraded to XP Pro (from 2000), Office 2003, and
Framemaker 7.1p116. Now when I create a new graphic or edit an existing
graphic using Visio 2003, save it as an emf and import it by reference into
Frame, it comes in about 120% larger than the original Visio file. The same
is true for emf files exported from Adobe Illustrator. However, if I insert
that same emf from Visio into Word 2003, it comes in at the correct size. I'm
not about to ask the writers I work with to scale every graphic they get from
me, and I'm not about to start changing every graphic I work on to 84%
smaller so it comes in at the right size. And, as emf has been our standard
and thousands of our Frame files reference emf files, it would be very
difficult and inconvenient to switch to a different format. Have you heard of
this similar problem before? Do you know what is going on and is there a
simple fix??...patch, graphics filter...go back to Office 2000??

Any help and advise would be appreciated. >>
--
Let us know if this has helped you,

Bob Buckland ?
MS Office System Products MVP
*courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends8

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news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.visio
or via browser:
http://microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/?dg=microsoft.public.visio

B. MS Office Community discussion/newsgroups via Web Browser
http://microsoft.com/office/community/en-us/default.mspx
or
Microsoft hosted newsgroups via Outlook Express/newsreader
news://msnews.microsoft.com

 

[Echo S]

Since EMFs exported from Illo exhibit the same issues, I'd suspect this is a
Windows thing, not an Office thing. (And anyway, I'm pretty sure Visio is
not actually part of Office.) So you may have better luck asking this in one
of the Windows XP groups.
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/list/en-us/default.aspx has
an alpha list of MS groups.

This is going to sound weird, but it might also be affected by your display
settings. You might see if changing your monitor display makes any
difference. It might not, but it's free and simple to try.

 

[DaveL]

Thanks, Bob. How would I check the PPI value in an emf? Do you know of any
setting in Visio that would modify this?

I've got a guy in my office who has XP but has Office 2000 and Visio 2000
and his emf's don't have any scaling... I think we've isolated it to an
Office/Visio issue. I've already posted on Adobe's Framemaker forum but have
gotten no responses.

Dave

 

[DaveL]

Upon further review....

From Microsoft knowledge base:
Text in a graphic is incorrectly spaced or is incorrectly positioned after
you export a Visio 2003 drawing to Enhanced Metafile (EMF) format
View products that this article applies to.

Article ID : 893473
Last Review : April 20, 2005
Revision : 1.1

SYMPTOMS
You export your Microsoft Office Visio 2003 drawing to Enhanced Metafile
(EMF) format. If you insert the EMF graphic into the same Visio 2003 drawing
or into a different Visio 2003 drawing, the EMF graphic is displayed as
expected. However, when you view the EMF graphic in some third-party
programs, text in the graphic may be incorrectly spaced or may be incorrectly
positioned. For example, text may overlap. Or, text may appear to the right
or to the left of its expected position.
CAUSE
The EMF format that is used by Visio 2003 and by other Microsoft Office 2003
programs contains the following two types of image information:

• EMF+ format
• An EMF-only format that is used for backward compatibility

An issue exists where certain text may be incorrectly spaced or incorrectly
positioned when you use Visio 2003 to export a Visio 2003 drawing to EMF
format. These abnormalities are only visible if the third-party program that
you use to view the EMF graphic does not support EMF+ format.
STATUS
Microsoft has confirmed that this is a problem in the Microsoft products
that are listed in the "Applies to" section

DAVE'S SOLUTION
reinstall Visio 2000 and emf files no longer scale in 3rd party products

 

[Jay]

How do you know it isn't? You don't Let a qualified person decide that.

 

[DaveL]

Echo -
Changing the resolution settings for my display DID make a difference in the
size of the emf. After changing the settings to 1024 x 768, I created another
emf file and imported into Framemaker. It came in smaller than the original
Visio graphic. Unfortunately, this is not a solution. I work on a 21" monitor
and need the higher resolution for creating graphics. I just reinstalled
Visio 2000 and now I don't have the scaling problem. See my other post about
the emf+format which seems to be the source of the scaling problem.
Thanks for the suggestion.
Dave

Since EMFs exported from Illo exhibit the same issues, I'd suspect this is a
Windows thing, not an Office thing. (And anyway, I'm pretty sure Visio is
not actually part of Office.) So you may have better luck asking this in one
of the Windows XP groups.
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/list/en-us/default.aspx has
an alpha list of MS groups.

This is going to sound weird, but it might also be affected by your display
settings. You might see if changing your monitor display makes any
difference. It might not, but it's free and simple to try.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

I work in a technical publications group and the standard in our office for
years has been Visio to .emf to Framemaker, so we have thousands of graphics
in emf format, and the emf files import into Framemaker at the same size as
the original Visio file.

I've recently been upgraded to XP Pro (from 2000), Office 2003, and
Framemaker 7.1p116. Now when I create a new graphic or edit an existing
graphic using Visio 2003, save it as an emf and import it by reference into
Frame, it comes in about 120% larger than the original Visio file. The same
is true for emf files exported from Adobe Illustrator. However, if I insert
that same emf from Visio into Word 2003, it comes in at the correct size. I'm
not about to ask the writers I work with to scale every graphic they get from
me, and I'm not about to start changing every graphic I work on to 84%
smaller so it comes in at the right size. And, as emf has been our standard
and thousands of our Frame files reference emf files, it would be very
difficult and inconvenient to switch to a different format. Have you heard of
this similar problem before? Do you know what is going on and is there a
simple fix??...patch, graphics filter...go back to Office 2000??

Any help and advise would be appreciated.

 

[Echo S]

Thanks for the followup info, Dave. I thought that might have an effect and
was wondering if you'd tried it or not. We have a similar problem in PPT
when trying to import images scaled to specific sizes, and display settings
can affect it.

Sorry it won't work for you, but at least you still have Visio 2000 around
and can continue to use it.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

Echo -
Changing the resolution settings for my display DID make a difference in the
size of the emf. After changing the settings to 1024 x 768, I created another
emf file and imported into Framemaker. It came in smaller than the original
Visio graphic. Unfortunately, this is not a solution. I work on a 21" monitor
and need the higher resolution for creating graphics. I just reinstalled
Visio 2000 and now I don't have the scaling problem. See my other post about
the emf+format which seems to be the source of the scaling problem.
Thanks for the suggestion.
Dave

Since EMFs exported from Illo exhibit the same issues, I'd suspect this is a
Windows thing, not an Office thing. (And anyway, I'm pretty sure Visio is
not actually part of Office.) So you may have better luck asking this in one
of the Windows XP groups.
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/list/en-us/default.aspx has
an alpha list of MS groups.

This is going to sound weird, but it might also be affected by your display
settings. You might see if changing your monitor display makes any
difference. It might not, but it's free and simple to try.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

I work in a technical publications group and the standard in our

office
for

years has been Visio to .emf to Framemaker, so we have thousands of graphics
in emf format, and the emf files import into Framemaker at the same

size
as

the original Visio file.

I've recently been upgraded to XP Pro (from 2000), Office 2003, and
Framemaker 7.1p116. Now when I create a new graphic or edit an existing
graphic using Visio 2003, save it as an emf and import it by reference into
Frame, it comes in about 120% larger than the original Visio file. The same
is true for emf files exported from Adobe Illustrator. However, if I insert
that same emf from Visio into Word 2003, it comes in at the correct

size.
I'm

not about to ask the writers I work with to scale every graphic they

get
from

me, and I'm not about to start changing every graphic I work on to 84%
smaller so it comes in at the right size. And, as emf has been our standard
and thousands of our Frame files reference emf files, it would be very
difficult and inconvenient to switch to a different format. Have you

heard
of

this similar problem before? Do you know what is going on and is there a
simple fix??...patch, graphics filter...go back to Office 2000??

Any help and advise would be appreciated.