Entering text in Word 2004 only possible in Times New Roman for certain keyboard layouts??

[marton.svekus]

I am using Word 2004 version 11.2 (060202) on an iBook G4 bought in the
UK. When I switch to Hungarian keyboard, word only recognises Times New
Roman fonts, and regardless of the type of font used in the document I
start typing in, it enters text in TNR. This is not the case for German
or UK keyboard layouts, where whether it is Arial, Verdana, or anything
else, it works.

If I highlight the text and change the font to Arial afterwards, it
looks and prints perfect, if I use the keyboard shortcuts for putting
accents, etc, it also works, but entering text through the Hungarian
keyboard layout is only possible in TNR. Unfortunately I need to create
documents in Arial, so this is a painstaking experience, typing and
then reformatting every change, every addition to the documents.

Could you please advise as to what there is to do?
Thanks
Márton

 

[Paul Berkowitz]

I am using Word 2004 version 11.2 (060202) on an iBook G4 bought in the
UK. When I switch to Hungarian keyboard, word only recognises Times New
Roman fonts, and regardless of the type of font used in the document I
start typing in, it enters text in TNR. This is not the case for German
or UK keyboard layouts, where whether it is Arial, Verdana, or anything
else, it works.

If I highlight the text and change the font to Arial afterwards, it
looks and prints perfect, if I use the keyboard shortcuts for putting
accents, etc, it also works, but entering text through the Hungarian
keyboard layout is only possible in TNR. Unfortunately I need to create
documents in Arial, so this is a painstaking experience, typing and
then reformatting every change, every addition to the documents.

Could you please advise as to what there is to do?

I can confirm this in 11.2.3. It appears to be a bug. There are only certain
Unicode fonts (not "anything else") which can handle Hungarian and other
Central European languages, but Arial, Verdana, Lucida Grande and a few
others are among them.

I confirm that choosing Hungarian or any other Central European (like Czech)
or Cyrillic (like Russian) keyboard in Word, then trying to set the font to
any valid font for that language - such as Arial or Verdana or Lucida Grande
- simply does not work. The font immediately switches back to TNR. This is a
bad bug.

As you say, the workaround of typing in TNR, then selecting the text and
switching the font, does work, so you'll have to keep on doing that for now.

Go to the Help menu and select "Send Feedback on Word" and report this bug.
This is the surest way of getting it fixed in a later version. There may or
may not be MacBU testers reading our comments here, too. But reporting the
bug is the best way to get it fixed.

--
Paul Berkowitz
MVP MacOffice
Entourage FAQ Page: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/faq/index.html>
AppleScripts for Entourage: <http://macscripter.net/scriptbuilders/>

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[Clive Huggan]

Hello Márton,

From what Paul says, it looks like you will be applying Arial etc manually
for a long time (or using other software, or a PC?).

If I were in your position I would look for ways to automate, as far as
possible, the process of changing the font. For example, you could make a
toolbar button and/or a keyboard shortcut to apply Arial font. Then all you
would have to do is to key Command-a to select all the text in your document
then hit the button or (and this would be my preference =>) key this
keyboard shortcut to apply the font.

If you are experienced in modifying Word, probably all I need to clarify is
to choose Tools menu -> Customize -> Customize toolbars/menus -> Commands ->
in the left-hand box, scroll to "Fonts" and click; in the right-hand box,
drag "Arial" to the toolbar of your choosing.

Or you could record a simple macro that first keys Command-a, then applies
Arial as above. You would trigger the macro with a keyboard shortcut and the
whole formatting would be fixed in a fraction of a second.

Word's Help gives some guidance on making macros. I also cover this in some
notes on the way I use Word for the Mac, titled "Bend Word to Your Will",
which are available as a free download from the Word MVPs' website
(http://word.mvps.org/Mac/Bend/BendWordToYourWill.html). Look particularly
under the heading 'Making a new toolbar, button and macro' on page 173.

[Note: "Bend Word to your will" is designed to be used electronically and
most subjects are self-contained dictionary-style entries. If you decide to
read more widely than the item I've referred to, it's important to read the
front end of the document -- especially pages 3 and 5 -- so you can select
some Word settings that will allow you to use the document effectively.]

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is 5-11 hours different from the US and Europe, so my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
============================================================

 

[John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]]

Just a Style is all he needs...

Set "Body Text" style to TNR. When you have completed the documment, flip
Body Text style back to your preferred font.

Provided you have not used direct formatting over the top of your style, all
your body text will change instantly when you update the style.

Make sure that when you change away from TNR you go to one of the fonts Paul
mentioned that actually contains the CE characters you need.

Cheers

Hello Márton,

From what Paul says, it looks like you will be applying Arial etc manually
for a long time (or using other software, or a PC?).

If I were in your position I would look for ways to automate, as far as
possible, the process of changing the font. For example, you could make a
toolbar button and/or a keyboard shortcut to apply Arial font. Then all you
would have to do is to key Command-a to select all the text in your document
then hit the button or (and this would be my preference =>) key this
keyboard shortcut to apply the font.

If you are experienced in modifying Word, probably all I need to clarify is
to choose Tools menu -> Customize -> Customize toolbars/menus -> Commands ->
in the left-hand box, scroll to "Fonts" and click; in the right-hand box,
drag "Arial" to the toolbar of your choosing.

Or you could record a simple macro that first keys Command-a, then applies
Arial as above. You would trigger the macro with a keyboard shortcut and the
whole formatting would be fixed in a fraction of a second.

Word's Help gives some guidance on making macros. I also cover this in some
notes on the way I use Word for the Mac, titled "Bend Word to Your Will",
which are available as a free download from the Word MVPs' website
(http://word.mvps.org/Mac/Bend/BendWordToYourWill.html). Look particularly
under the heading 'Making a new toolbar, button and macro' on page 173.

[Note: "Bend Word to your will" is designed to be used electronically and
most subjects are self-contained dictionary-style entries. If you decide to
read more widely than the item I've referred to, it's important to read the
front end of the document -- especially pages 3 and 5 -- so you can select
some Word settings that will allow you to use the document effectively.]

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is 5-11 hours different from the US and Europe, so my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
============================================================

I can confirm this in 11.2.3. It appears to be a bug. There are only certain
Unicode fonts (not "anything else") which can handle Hungarian and other
Central European languages, but Arial, Verdana, Lucida Grande and a few
others are among them.

I confirm that choosing Hungarian or any other Central European (like Czech)
or Cyrillic (like Russian) keyboard in Word, then trying to set the font to
any valid font for that language - such as Arial or Verdana or Lucida Grande
- simply does not work. The font immediately switches back to TNR. This is a
bad bug.

As you say, the workaround of typing in TNR, then selecting the text and
switching the font, does work, so you'll have to keep on doing that for now.

Go to the Help menu and select "Send Feedback on Word" and report this bug.
This is the surest way of getting it fixed in a later version. There may or
may not be MacBU testers reading our comments here, too. But reporting the
bug is the best way to get it fixed.

--

Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410

 

[Clive Huggan]

I took Márton's comment "regardless of the type of font used in the document
I start typing in" to mean he was working on documents created by others, so
they would have been formatted in the usual infinite variety, hence manual
imposition of Arial font would be best, albeit not as "pure" as a
styles-based solution.

Some of us troglodytes have to live in a more unruly world than yours,
cobber ... ;-)

Cheers,

Clive
======

Just a Style is all he needs...

Set "Body Text" style to TNR. When you have completed the documment, flip
Body Text style back to your preferred font.

Provided you have not used direct formatting over the top of your style, all
your body text will change instantly when you update the style.

Make sure that when you change away from TNR you go to one of the fonts Paul
mentioned that actually contains the CE characters you need.

Cheers

Hello Márton,

From what Paul says, it looks like you will be applying Arial etc manually
for a long time (or using other software, or a PC?).

If I were in your position I would look for ways to automate, as far as
possible, the process of changing the font. For example, you could make a
toolbar button and/or a keyboard shortcut to apply Arial font. Then all you
would have to do is to key Command-a to select all the text in your document
then hit the button or (and this would be my preference =>) key this
keyboard shortcut to apply the font.

If you are experienced in modifying Word, probably all I need to clarify is
to choose Tools menu -> Customize -> Customize toolbars/menus -> Commands ->
in the left-hand box, scroll to "Fonts" and click; in the right-hand box,
drag "Arial" to the toolbar of your choosing.

Or you could record a simple macro that first keys Command-a, then applies
Arial as above. You would trigger the macro with a keyboard shortcut and the
whole formatting would be fixed in a fraction of a second.

Word's Help gives some guidance on making macros. I also cover this in some
notes on the way I use Word for the Mac, titled "Bend Word to Your Will",
which are available as a free download from the Word MVPs' website
(http://word.mvps.org/Mac/Bend/BendWordToYourWill.html). Look particularly
under the heading 'Making a new toolbar, button and macro' on page 173.

[Note: "Bend Word to your will" is designed to be used electronically and
most subjects are self-contained dictionary-style entries. If you decide to
read more widely than the item I've referred to, it's important to read the
front end of the document -- especially pages 3 and 5 -- so you can select
some Word settings that will allow you to use the document effectively.]

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is 5-11 hours different from the US and Europe, so my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
============================================================

On 5/5/06 12:29 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed),

I am using Word 2004 version 11.2 (060202) on an iBook G4 bought in the
UK. When I switch to Hungarian keyboard, word only recognises Times New
Roman fonts, and regardless of the type of font used in the document I
start typing in, it enters text in TNR. This is not the case for German
or UK keyboard layouts, where whether it is Arial, Verdana, or anything
else, it works.

If I highlight the text and change the font to Arial afterwards, it
looks and prints perfect, if I use the keyboard shortcuts for putting
accents, etc, it also works, but entering text through the Hungarian
keyboard layout is only possible in TNR. Unfortunately I need to create
documents in Arial, so this is a painstaking experience, typing and
then reformatting every change, every addition to the documents.

Could you please advise as to what there is to do?

I can confirm this in 11.2.3. It appears to be a bug. There are only certain
Unicode fonts (not "anything else") which can handle Hungarian and other
Central European languages, but Arial, Verdana, Lucida Grande and a few
others are among them.

I confirm that choosing Hungarian or any other Central European (like Czech)
or Cyrillic (like Russian) keyboard in Word, then trying to set the font to
any valid font for that language - such as Arial or Verdana or Lucida Grande
- simply does not work. The font immediately switches back to TNR. This is a
bad bug.

As you say, the workaround of typing in TNR, then selecting the text and
switching the font, does work, so you'll have to keep on doing that for now.

Go to the Help menu and select "Send Feedback on Word" and report this bug.
This is the surest way of getting it fixed in a later version. There may or
may not be MacBU testers reading our comments here, too. But reporting the
bug is the best way to get it fixed.

 

[John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]]

Hi Clive:

I wouldn't want to go too far down this track, but it's in the back of my
mind that "Direct formatting" may not work if you are dealing with special
characters in Unicode.

Word under some circumstances will encapsulate special characters, rendering
them immune from direct formatting overlayed upon them.

I can't say whether that would apply to what the OP was doing, but I suspect
that it might.

Cheers

I took Márton's comment "regardless of the type of font used in the document
I start typing in" to mean he was working on documents created by others, so
they would have been formatted in the usual infinite variety, hence manual
imposition of Arial font would be best, albeit not as "pure" as a
styles-based solution.

Some of us troglodytes have to live in a more unruly world than yours,
cobber ... ;-)

Cheers,

Clive
======

Just a Style is all he needs...

Set "Body Text" style to TNR. When you have completed the documment, flip
Body Text style back to your preferred font.

Provided you have not used direct formatting over the top of your style, all
your body text will change instantly when you update the style.

Make sure that when you change away from TNR you go to one of the fonts Paul
mentioned that actually contains the CE characters you need.

Cheers

Hello Márton,

From what Paul says, it looks like you will be applying Arial etc manually
for a long time (or using other software, or a PC?).

If I were in your position I would look for ways to automate, as far as
possible, the process of changing the font. For example, you could make a
toolbar button and/or a keyboard shortcut to apply Arial font. Then all you
would have to do is to key Command-a to select all the text in your document
then hit the button or (and this would be my preference =>) key this
keyboard shortcut to apply the font.

If you are experienced in modifying Word, probably all I need to clarify is
to choose Tools menu -> Customize -> Customize toolbars/menus -> Commands ->
in the left-hand box, scroll to "Fonts" and click; in the right-hand box,
drag "Arial" to the toolbar of your choosing.

Or you could record a simple macro that first keys Command-a, then applies
Arial as above. You would trigger the macro with a keyboard shortcut and the
whole formatting would be fixed in a fraction of a second.

Word's Help gives some guidance on making macros. I also cover this in some
notes on the way I use Word for the Mac, titled "Bend Word to Your Will",
which are available as a free download from the Word MVPs' website
(http://word.mvps.org/Mac/Bend/BendWordToYourWill.html). Look particularly
under the heading 'Making a new toolbar, button and macro' on page 173.

[Note: "Bend Word to your will" is designed to be used electronically and
most subjects are self-contained dictionary-style entries. If you decide to
read more widely than the item I've referred to, it's important to read the
front end of the document -- especially pages 3 and 5 -- so you can select
some Word settings that will allow you to use the document effectively.]

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is 5-11 hours different from the US and Europe, so my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
============================================================


On 7/5/06 2:39 AM, in article C0821F51.CF40F%berkowit@spoof_silcom.com,

On 5/5/06 12:29 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed),

I am using Word 2004 version 11.2 (060202) on an iBook G4 bought in the
UK. When I switch to Hungarian keyboard, word only recognises Times New
Roman fonts, and regardless of the type of font used in the document I
start typing in, it enters text in TNR. This is not the case for German
or UK keyboard layouts, where whether it is Arial, Verdana, or anything
else, it works.

If I highlight the text and change the font to Arial afterwards, it
looks and prints perfect, if I use the keyboard shortcuts for putting
accents, etc, it also works, but entering text through the Hungarian
keyboard layout is only possible in TNR. Unfortunately I need to create
documents in Arial, so this is a painstaking experience, typing and
then reformatting every change, every addition to the documents.

Could you please advise as to what there is to do?

I can confirm this in 11.2.3. It appears to be a bug. There are only
certain
Unicode fonts (not "anything else") which can handle Hungarian and other
Central European languages, but Arial, Verdana, Lucida Grande and a few
others are among them.

I confirm that choosing Hungarian or any other Central European (like
Czech)
or Cyrillic (like Russian) keyboard in Word, then trying to set the font to
any valid font for that language - such as Arial or Verdana or Lucida
Grande
- simply does not work. The font immediately switches back to TNR. This is
a
bad bug.

As you say, the workaround of typing in TNR, then selecting the text and
switching the font, does work, so you'll have to keep on doing that for
now.

Go to the Help menu and select "Send Feedback on Word" and report this bug.
This is the surest way of getting it fixed in a later version. There may or
may not be MacBU testers reading our comments here, too. But reporting the
bug is the best way to get it fixed.

--

Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410

 

[Clive Huggan]

I plead the Captain Mainwaring defence, m'learned colleague... ;-)

CH
===

Hi Clive:

I wouldn't want to go too far down this track, but it's in the back of my
mind that "Direct formatting" may not work if you are dealing with special
characters in Unicode.

Word under some circumstances will encapsulate special characters, rendering
them immune from direct formatting overlayed upon them.

I can't say whether that would apply to what the OP was doing, but I suspect
that it might.

Cheers

I took Márton's comment "regardless of the type of font used in the document
I start typing in" to mean he was working on documents created by others, so
they would have been formatted in the usual infinite variety, hence manual
imposition of Arial font would be best, albeit not as "pure" as a
styles-based solution.

Some of us troglodytes have to live in a more unruly world than yours,
cobber ... ;-)

Cheers,

Clive
======

Just a Style is all he needs...

Set "Body Text" style to TNR. When you have completed the documment, flip
Body Text style back to your preferred font.

Provided you have not used direct formatting over the top of your style, all
your body text will change instantly when you update the style.

Make sure that when you change away from TNR you go to one of the fonts Paul
mentioned that actually contains the CE characters you need.

Cheers


On 7/5/06 8:32 AM, in article
C083612C.1AF7C%[email protected], "Clive Huggan"

Hello Márton,

From what Paul says, it looks like you will be applying Arial etc manually
for a long time (or using other software, or a PC?).

If I were in your position I would look for ways to automate, as far as
possible, the process of changing the font. For example, you could make a
toolbar button and/or a keyboard shortcut to apply Arial font. Then all you
would have to do is to key Command-a to select all the text in your
document
then hit the button or (and this would be my preference =>) key this
keyboard shortcut to apply the font.

If you are experienced in modifying Word, probably all I need to clarify is
to choose Tools menu -> Customize -> Customize toolbars/menus -> Commands
->
in the left-hand box, scroll to "Fonts" and click; in the right-hand box,
drag "Arial" to the toolbar of your choosing.

Or you could record a simple macro that first keys Command-a, then applies
Arial as above. You would trigger the macro with a keyboard shortcut and
the
whole formatting would be fixed in a fraction of a second.

Word's Help gives some guidance on making macros. I also cover this in some
notes on the way I use Word for the Mac, titled "Bend Word to Your Will",
which are available as a free download from the Word MVPs' website
(http://word.mvps.org/Mac/Bend/BendWordToYourWill.html). Look particularly
under the heading 'Making a new toolbar, button and macro' on page 173.

[Note: "Bend Word to your will" is designed to be used electronically and
most subjects are self-contained dictionary-style entries. If you decide
to
read more widely than the item I've referred to, it's important to read the
front end of the document -- especially pages 3 and 5 -- so you can select
some Word settings that will allow you to use the document effectively.]

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is 5-11 hours different from the US and Europe, so my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
============================================================


On 7/5/06 2:39 AM, in article C0821F51.CF40F%berkowit@spoof_silcom.com,

On 5/5/06 12:29 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed),

I am using Word 2004 version 11.2 (060202) on an iBook G4 bought in the
UK. When I switch to Hungarian keyboard, word only recognises Times New
Roman fonts, and regardless of the type of font used in the document I
start typing in, it enters text in TNR. This is not the case for German
or UK keyboard layouts, where whether it is Arial, Verdana, or anything
else, it works.

If I highlight the text and change the font to Arial afterwards, it
looks and prints perfect, if I use the keyboard shortcuts for putting
accents, etc, it also works, but entering text through the Hungarian
keyboard layout is only possible in TNR. Unfortunately I need to create
documents in Arial, so this is a painstaking experience, typing and
then reformatting every change, every addition to the documents.

Could you please advise as to what there is to do?

I can confirm this in 11.2.3. It appears to be a bug. There are only
certain
Unicode fonts (not "anything else") which can handle Hungarian and other
Central European languages, but Arial, Verdana, Lucida Grande and a few
others are among them.

I confirm that choosing Hungarian or any other Central European (like
Czech)
or Cyrillic (like Russian) keyboard in Word, then trying to set the font
to
any valid font for that language - such as Arial or Verdana or Lucida
Grande
- simply does not work. The font immediately switches back to TNR. This is
a
bad bug.

As you say, the workaround of typing in TNR, then selecting the text and
switching the font, does work, so you'll have to keep on doing that for
now.

Go to the Help menu and select "Send Feedback on Word" and report this
bug.
This is the surest way of getting it fixed in a later version. There may
or
may not be MacBU testers reading our comments here, too. But reporting the
bug is the best way to get it fixed.

 

[Paul Berkowitz]

Any font that can do Central European glyphs - namely, all "European"
Unicode fonts - can cope just fine with Hungarian or any other CE language.
These are not horribly obscure Unicode characters, after all. They're all in
Latin-1 Supplement, Latin Extended A or Latin Extended B.

The MS European Unicode fonts - Arial, Times New Roman, Trebuchet MS, and
Verdana (I may have forgotten one) and numerous Apple Unicode fonts -
Lucida Grande, Times, and many others - can do Hungarian, Czech, Slovak and
the other CE scripts just fine. And Cyrillic scripts (Russian, Bulgarian,
Serbian, etc.) as well. There is no problem typing in TNR, selecting all and
then switching to one of these fonts in the Formatting Palette. They all
work perfectly. There is no need to create a style and switch the style.
Also no reason why not to do it that way if you're so inclined.

--
Paul Berkowitz
MVP MacOffice
Entourage FAQ Page: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/faq/index.html>
AppleScripts for Entourage: <http://macscripter.net/scriptbuilders/>

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From: "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.mac.office.word
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 19:18:16 +1000
Conversation: Entering text in Word 2004 only possible in Times New Roman for
certain keyboard layouts??
Subject: Re: Entering text in Word 2004 only possible in Times New Roman for
certain keyboard layouts??

Hi Clive:

I wouldn't want to go too far down this track, but it's in the back of my
mind that "Direct formatting" may not work if you are dealing with special
characters in Unicode.

Word under some circumstances will encapsulate special characters, rendering
them immune from direct formatting overlayed upon them.

I can't say whether that would apply to what the OP was doing, but I suspect
that it might.

Cheers

I took Márton's comment "regardless of the type of font used in the document
I start typing in" to mean he was working on documents created by others, so
they would have been formatted in the usual infinite variety, hence manual
imposition of Arial font would be best, albeit not as "pure" as a
styles-based solution.

Some of us troglodytes have to live in a more unruly world than yours,
cobber ... ;-)

Cheers,

Clive
======

Just a Style is all he needs...

Set "Body Text" style to TNR. When you have completed the documment, flip
Body Text style back to your preferred font.

Provided you have not used direct formatting over the top of your style, all
your body text will change instantly when you update the style.

Make sure that when you change away from TNR you go to one of the fonts Paul
mentioned that actually contains the CE characters you need.

Cheers


On 7/5/06 8:32 AM, in article
C083612C.1AF7C%[email protected], "Clive Huggan"

Hello Márton,

From what Paul says, it looks like you will be applying Arial etc manually
for a long time (or using other software, or a PC?).

If I were in your position I would look for ways to automate, as far as
possible, the process of changing the font. For example, you could make a
toolbar button and/or a keyboard shortcut to apply Arial font. Then all you
would have to do is to key Command-a to select all the text in your
document
then hit the button or (and this would be my preference =>) key this
keyboard shortcut to apply the font.

If you are experienced in modifying Word, probably all I need to clarify is
to choose Tools menu -> Customize -> Customize toolbars/menus -> Commands
->
in the left-hand box, scroll to "Fonts" and click; in the right-hand box,
drag "Arial" to the toolbar of your choosing.

Or you could record a simple macro that first keys Command-a, then applies
Arial as above. You would trigger the macro with a keyboard shortcut and
the
whole formatting would be fixed in a fraction of a second.

Word's Help gives some guidance on making macros. I also cover this in some
notes on the way I use Word for the Mac, titled "Bend Word to Your Will",
which are available as a free download from the Word MVPs' website
(http://word.mvps.org/Mac/Bend/BendWordToYourWill.html). Look particularly
under the heading 'Making a new toolbar, button and macro' on page 173.

[Note: "Bend Word to your will" is designed to be used electronically and
most subjects are self-contained dictionary-style entries. If you decide
to
read more widely than the item I've referred to, it's important to read the
front end of the document -- especially pages 3 and 5 -- so you can select
some Word settings that will allow you to use the document effectively.]

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is 5-11 hours different from the US and Europe, so my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
============================================================


On 7/5/06 2:39 AM, in article C0821F51.CF40F%berkowit@spoof_silcom.com,

On 5/5/06 12:29 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed),

I am using Word 2004 version 11.2 (060202) on an iBook G4 bought in the
UK. When I switch to Hungarian keyboard, word only recognises Times New
Roman fonts, and regardless of the type of font used in the document I
start typing in, it enters text in TNR. This is not the case for German
or UK keyboard layouts, where whether it is Arial, Verdana, or anything
else, it works.

If I highlight the text and change the font to Arial afterwards, it
looks and prints perfect, if I use the keyboard shortcuts for putting
accents, etc, it also works, but entering text through the Hungarian
keyboard layout is only possible in TNR. Unfortunately I need to create
documents in Arial, so this is a painstaking experience, typing and
then reformatting every change, every addition to the documents.

Could you please advise as to what there is to do?

I can confirm this in 11.2.3. It appears to be a bug. There are only
certain
Unicode fonts (not "anything else") which can handle Hungarian and other
Central European languages, but Arial, Verdana, Lucida Grande and a few
others are among them.

I confirm that choosing Hungarian or any other Central European (like
Czech)
or Cyrillic (like Russian) keyboard in Word, then trying to set the font
to
any valid font for that language - such as Arial or Verdana or Lucida
Grande
- simply does not work. The font immediately switches back to TNR. This is
a
bad bug.

As you say, the workaround of typing in TNR, then selecting the text and
switching the font, does work, so you'll have to keep on doing that for
now.

Go to the Help menu and select "Send Feedback on Word" and report this
bug.
This is the surest way of getting it fixed in a later version. There may
or
may not be MacBU testers reading our comments here, too. But reporting the
bug is the best way to get it fixed.

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