Error - Failed to initialize the modeling engine

[reaverto]

I get this error no matter what PC I have Visio installed on, I have both
the Visio 2003 Professional version and Visio 2003 for Enterprise Architects
(on those mac hines where I have VS2005 installed).

I have it installed on 3 PCs at home and 2 at work and I get the same error
every time when I try to either open up a Database Visio Diagram or create a
new one. Is there a windows update that screws up Visio that I can
uninstall? I haven't done any product updates to Visio itself because after
reading through various groups it seems the updates cause more problems than
solve them. I am to the point of just reinstalling windows, then sp2 and
then office 2003 and not installing any other updates beyond that.

Are there any workarounds so I don't have to do this?

This problem has suddenly occured in the last two weeks and I can only
attribute to some kind of conflict with one of Any help would be
appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

 

[reaverto]

Sorry, meant to say "some kind of conflict with one of the recent windows
update hotfixes".

 

[reaverto]

I found the following Visio update breaks the Modeling Engine: KB947650

Made sure I had "show updates" checked off in add/remove programs and was
able to uninstall it, now everything works.

 

[Barb Way]

Thanks for the update. I'm glad you were able to pin down the problem and
uninstall the update.

We have had other reports of this problem as well, and the patching group
is working on a replacement update.


Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
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rights.]

 

[Barb Way]

By the way - our testing so far shows that the problem is occurring when
installing the MS08-019 update on Visio 2003 SP2. If you then update to
SP3, you should be okay. Similarly, if you have SP3 and apply the security
update, the problem doesn't occur as well. It seems to only happen with
Visio 2003 SP2 and the security update.


Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
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Thanks for the update. I'm glad you were able to pin down the problem and
uninstall the update.

We have had other reports of this problem as well, and the patching group
is working on a replacement update.


Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
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[Gadgetude]

I received the error with SP3 installed.

Uninstalling the security patch fixed the problem immediately.

By the way - our testing so far shows that the problem is occurring when
installing the MS08-019 update on Visio 2003 SP2. If you then update to
SP3, you should be okay. Similarly, if you have SP3 and apply the security
update, the problem doesn't occur as well. It seems to only happen with
Visio 2003 SP2 and the security update.


Barb Way
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Microsoft Corporation
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Thanks for the update. I'm glad you were able to pin down the problem and
uninstall the update.

We have had other reports of this problem as well, and the patching group
is working on a replacement update.


Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
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I found the following Visio update breaks the Modeling Engine: KB947650

Made sure I had "show updates" checked off in add/remove programs and was
able to uninstall it, now everything works.

Sorry, meant to say "some kind of conflict with one of the recent windows
update hotfixes".

 

[Barb Way]

Thanks for the info - I was incorrect in stating that it would not occur
with SP3 and the MS08-019 update. For users with SP2 and the security
update, applying SP3 seem to work okay. But when you have SP3 already and
apply the Security update, the problem occurs.


Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
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rights.]
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Thread-Topic: Error - Failed to initialize the modeling engine

I received the error with SP3 installed.

Uninstalling the security patch fixed the problem immediately.

By the way - our testing so far shows that the problem is occurring when
installing the MS08-019 update on Visio 2003 SP2. If you then update to
SP3, you should be okay. Similarly, if you have SP3 and apply the security
update, the problem doesn't occur as well. It seems to only happen with
Visio 2003 SP2 and the security update.


Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
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Thanks for the update. I'm glad you were able to pin down the problem and
uninstall the update.

We have had other reports of this problem as well, and the patching group
is working on a replacement update.


Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
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I found the following Visio update breaks the Modeling Engine: KB947650

Made sure I had "show updates" checked off in add/remove programs and was
able to uninstall it, now everything works.

Sorry, meant to say "some kind of conflict with one of the recent windows
update hotfixes".

 

[itdcsas]

is there any news on this, haven't seen any rerelease of MS08-19 to fix this
issue. Thanks

Thanks for the info - I was incorrect in stating that it would not occur
with SP3 and the MS08-019 update. For users with SP2 and the security
update, applying SP3 seem to work okay. But when you have SP3 already and
apply the Security update, the problem occurs.


Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
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rights.]
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Thread-Topic: Error - Failed to initialize the modeling engine

I received the error with SP3 installed.

Uninstalling the security patch fixed the problem immediately.

By the way - our testing so far shows that the problem is occurring when
installing the MS08-019 update on Visio 2003 SP2. If you then update to
SP3, you should be okay. Similarly, if you have SP3 and apply the security
update, the problem doesn't occur as well. It seems to only happen with
Visio 2003 SP2 and the security update.


Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
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Thanks for the update. I'm glad you were able to pin down the problem and
uninstall the update.

We have had other reports of this problem as well, and the patching group
is working on a replacement update.


Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
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I found the following Visio update breaks the Modeling Engine: KB947650

Made sure I had "show updates" checked off in add/remove programs and was
able to uninstall it, now everything works.

Sorry, meant to say "some kind of conflict with one of the recent windows
update hotfixes".
I get this error no matter what PC I have Visio installed on, I have both
the Visio 2003 Professional version and Visio 2003 for Enterprise
Architects (on those mac hines where I have VS2005 installed).

I have it installed on 3 PCs at home and 2 at work and I get the same
error every time when I try to either open up a Database Visio Diagram or
create a new one. Is there a windows update that screws up Visio that I
can uninstall? I haven't done any product updates to Visio itself because
after reading through various groups it seems the updates cause more
problems than solve them. I am to the point of just reinstalling windows,
then sp2 and then office 2003 and not installing any other updates beyond
that.

Are there any workarounds so I don't have to do this?

This problem has suddenly occured in the last two weeks and I can only
attribute to some kind of conflict with one of Any help would be
appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Barb Way]

There is no re-release date announced, but a new update is being worked on.
I will update this post when something becomes available or a date is
known.

Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]

is there any news on this, haven't seen any rerelease of MS08-19 to fix
this
issue. Thanks

Thanks for the info - I was incorrect in stating that it would not occur
with SP3 and the MS08-019 update. For users with SP2 and the security
update, applying SP3 seem to work okay. But when you have SP3 already and
apply the Security update, the problem occurs.


Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]
--------------------
Thread-Topic: Error - Failed to initialize the modeling engine

I received the error with SP3 installed.

Uninstalling the security patch fixed the problem immediately.

By the way - our testing so far shows that the problem is occurring when
installing the MS08-019 update on Visio 2003 SP2. If you then update to
SP3, you should be okay. Similarly, if you have SP3 and apply the security
update, the problem doesn't occur as well. It seems to only happen with
Visio 2003 SP2 and the security update.


Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
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Thanks for the update. I'm glad you were able to pin down the problem and
uninstall the update.

We have had other reports of this problem as well, and the patching group
is working on a replacement update.


Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
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rights.]
--------------------
I found the following Visio update breaks the Modeling Engine: KB947650

Made sure I had "show updates" checked off in add/remove programs and was
able to uninstall it, now everything works.

Sorry, meant to say "some kind of conflict with one of the recent windows
update hotfixes".
I get this error no matter what PC I have Visio installed on, I have both
the Visio 2003 Professional version and Visio 2003 for Enterprise
Architects (on those mac hines where I have VS2005 installed).

I have it installed on 3 PCs at home and 2 at work and I get the same
error every time when I try to either open up a Database Visio

Diagram
or

create a new one. Is there a windows update that screws up Visio

that

I

 

[Kathleen Litton]

Is there an update on this issue? Thanks. Kathleen Litton

There is no re-release date announced, but a new update is being worked on.
I will update this post when something becomes available or a date is
known.

Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]

is there any news on this, haven't seen any rerelease of MS08-19 to fix
this
issue. Thanks

Thanks for the info - I was incorrect in stating that it would not occur
with SP3 and the MS08-019 update. For users with SP2 and the security
update, applying SP3 seem to work okay. But when you have SP3 already and
apply the Security update, the problem occurs.


Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]
--------------------
Thread-Topic: Error - Failed to initialize the modeling engine

I received the error with SP3 installed.

Uninstalling the security patch fixed the problem immediately.

[snip]

 

[Barb Way]

There is a fix under development, not yet available. I'll check again at
the end of the month and update this post and the others on this issue.

Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]
--------------------

Is there an update on this issue? Thanks. Kathleen Litton

There is no re-release date announced, but a new update is being worked on.
I will update this post when something becomes available or a date is
known.

Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]

is there any news on this, haven't seen any rerelease of MS08-19 to fix
this
issue. Thanks

Thanks for the info - I was incorrect in stating that it would not occur
with SP3 and the MS08-019 update. For users with SP2 and the security
update, applying SP3 seem to work okay. But when you have SP3 already and
apply the Security update, the problem occurs.


Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]
--------------------
Thread-Topic: Error - Failed to initialize the modeling engine

I received the error with SP3 installed.

Uninstalling the security patch fixed the problem immediately.

[snip]

 

[Barb Way]

FYI - A fix has been released which will resolve this issue and allow you
to work with the DB Modeling solution after the installation of the
security update in MS08-019.

The new hotfix ID is 958641, and it is available now, but must be requested
through (no-charge) support. You can review the options for making contact
with the support organization on the website here :
http://support.microsoft.com/contactus/?ws=support

The article for the fix is : http://support.microsoft.com/kb/958641

Two items of note:

This update is basedline on Visio 2003 SP3, and unless that SP level is

installed, the update will not install.

The article is being updated, and currently doesn't list the db modeling

issue among the issues fixed.


Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]
--------------------

There is a fix under development, not yet available. I'll check again at
the end of the month and update this post and the others on this issue.

Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]
--------------------

Is there an update on this issue? Thanks. Kathleen Litton

There is no re-release date announced, but a new update is being worked on.
I will update this post when something becomes available or a date is
known.

Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]

is there any news on this, haven't seen any rerelease of MS08-19 to fix
this
issue. Thanks

Thanks for the info - I was incorrect in stating that it would not occur
with SP3 and the MS08-019 update. For users with SP2 and the security
update, applying SP3 seem to work okay. But when you have SP3 already and
apply the Security update, the problem occurs.


Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]
--------------------
Thread-Topic: Error - Failed to initialize the modeling engine

I received the error with SP3 installed.

Uninstalling the security patch fixed the problem immediately.

[snip]

 

[Pawo]

For a large corporation I have been asked to package this hotfix to deploy to
machines with Visio SP2.

The problem we face is that we cannot upgrade to Visio SP3 (no resource /
budget / project) or remove the security hotfix.

This new hotfix hotfix does install on SP2 and does in fact get rid of the
error message in Visio. However we cannot be sure it does not break anything
else.

Will Microsoft be doing anything to fix this for SP2 users? and or offer any
guidance other than to just upgrade or remove the KB947650 fix ?

FYI - A fix has been released which will resolve this issue and allow you
to work with the DB Modeling solution after the installation of the
security update in MS08-019.

The new hotfix ID is 958641, and it is available now, but must be requested
through (no-charge) support. You can review the options for making contact
with the support organization on the website here :
http://support.microsoft.com/contactus/?ws=support

The article for the fix is : http://support.microsoft.com/kb/958641

Two items of note:

This update is basedline on Visio 2003 SP3, and unless that SP level is

installed, the update will not install.

The article is being updated, and currently doesn't list the db modeling

issue among the issues fixed.


Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]
--------------------

There is a fix under development, not yet available. I'll check again at
the end of the month and update this post and the others on this issue.

Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]
--------------------

Is there an update on this issue? Thanks. Kathleen Litton

There is no re-release date announced, but a new update is being worked on.
I will update this post when something becomes available or a date is
known.

Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]

is there any news on this, haven't seen any rerelease of MS08-19 to fix
this
issue. Thanks

Thanks for the info - I was incorrect in stating that it would not occur
with SP3 and the MS08-019 update. For users with SP2 and the security
update, applying SP3 seem to work okay. But when you have SP3 already and
apply the Security update, the problem occurs.


Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]
--------------------
Thread-Topic: Error - Failed to initialize the modeling engine

I received the error with SP3 installed.

Uninstalling the security patch fixed the problem immediately.

[snip]

 

[Barb Way]

Checking again on the article, I may have been wrong about the baseline. I
will check and let you know.

As I noted, the article is not updated for both issues fixed yet, either.

Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]
--------------------

For a large corporation I have been asked to package this hotfix to deploy
to
machines with Visio SP2.

The problem we face is that we cannot upgrade to Visio SP3 (no resource /
budget / project) or remove the security hotfix.

This new hotfix hotfix does install on SP2 and does in fact get rid of the
error message in Visio. However we cannot be sure it does not break
anything
else.

Will Microsoft be doing anything to fix this for SP2 users? and or offer
any
guidance other than to just upgrade or remove the KB947650 fix ?

FYI - A fix has been released which will resolve this issue and allow you
to work with the DB Modeling solution after the installation of the
security update in MS08-019.

The new hotfix ID is 958641, and it is available now, but must be requested
through (no-charge) support. You can review the options for making contact
with the support organization on the website here :
http://support.microsoft.com/contactus/?ws=support

The article for the fix is : http://support.microsoft.com/kb/958641

Two items of note:

This update is basedline on Visio 2003 SP3, and unless that SP level

is
installed, the update will not install.

The article is being updated, and currently doesn't list the db

modeling
issue among the issues fixed.


Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]
--------------------

There is a fix under development, not yet available. I'll check again at
the end of the month and update this post and the others on this issue.

Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]
--------------------

Is there an update on this issue? Thanks. Kathleen Litton

There is no re-release date announced, but a new update is being worked on.
I will update this post when something becomes available or a date is
known.

Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]

is there any news on this, haven't seen any rerelease of MS08-19 to fix
this
issue. Thanks

Thanks for the info - I was incorrect in stating that it would not occur
with SP3 and the MS08-019 update. For users with SP2 and the security
update, applying SP3 seem to work okay. But when you have SP3

already
and

apply the Security update, the problem occurs.


Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]
--------------------
Thread-Topic: Error - Failed to initialize the modeling engine

I received the error with SP3 installed.

Uninstalling the security patch fixed the problem immediately.

[snip]

 

[pawo]

Any update on this?

Thanks

Checking again on the article, I may have been wrong about the baseline. I
will check and let you know.

As I noted, the article is not updated for both issues fixed yet, either.

Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]
--------------------

For a large corporation I have been asked to package this hotfix to deploy
to
machines with Visio SP2.

The problem we face is that we cannot upgrade to Visio SP3 (no resource /
budget / project) or remove the security hotfix.

This new hotfix hotfix does install on SP2 and does in fact get rid of the
error message in Visio. However we cannot be sure it does not break
anything
else.

Will Microsoft be doing anything to fix this for SP2 users? and or offer
any
guidance other than to just upgrade or remove the KB947650 fix ?

FYI - A fix has been released which will resolve this issue and allow you
to work with the DB Modeling solution after the installation of the
security update in MS08-019.

The new hotfix ID is 958641, and it is available now, but must be requested
through (no-charge) support. You can review the options for making contact
with the support organization on the website here :
http://support.microsoft.com/contactus/?ws=support

The article for the fix is : http://support.microsoft.com/kb/958641

Two items of note:

This update is basedline on Visio 2003 SP3, and unless that SP level

is
installed, the update will not install.

The article is being updated, and currently doesn't list the db

modeling
issue among the issues fixed.


Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]
--------------------

There is a fix under development, not yet available. I'll check again at
the end of the month and update this post and the others on this issue.

Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]
--------------------

Is there an update on this issue? Thanks. Kathleen Litton

There is no re-release date announced, but a new update is being worked on.
I will update this post when something becomes available or a date is
known.

Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]

is there any news on this, haven't seen any rerelease of MS08-19 to fix
this
issue. Thanks



:

Thanks for the info - I was incorrect in stating that it would not occur
with SP3 and the MS08-019 update. For users with SP2 and the security
update, applying SP3 seem to work okay. But when you have SP3 already
and
apply the Security update, the problem occurs.


Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
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rights.]
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Thread-Topic: Error - Failed to initialize the modeling engine

I received the error with SP3 installed.

Uninstalling the security patch fixed the problem immediately.

[snip]

 

[Barb Way]

The article corrections are still going on, but I have confirmed that the
baseline is SP2.
So you can install it on either SP2 or SP3, and it provides all of the
fixes correctly in either case.

Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]
--------------------

Any update on this?

Thanks

Checking again on the article, I may have been wrong about the baseline. I
will check and let you know.

As I noted, the article is not updated for both issues fixed yet, either.

Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]
--------------------

For a large corporation I have been asked to package this hotfix to deploy
to
machines with Visio SP2.

The problem we face is that we cannot upgrade to Visio SP3 (no resource /
budget / project) or remove the security hotfix.

This new hotfix hotfix does install on SP2 and does in fact get rid of the
error message in Visio. However we cannot be sure it does not break
anything
else.

Will Microsoft be doing anything to fix this for SP2 users? and or offer
any
guidance other than to just upgrade or remove the KB947650 fix ?

FYI - A fix has been released which will resolve this issue and allow you
to work with the DB Modeling solution after the installation of the
security update in MS08-019.

The new hotfix ID is 958641, and it is available now, but must be requested
through (no-charge) support. You can review the options for making contact
with the support organization on the website here :
http://support.microsoft.com/contactus/?ws=support

The article for the fix is : http://support.microsoft.com/kb/958641

Two items of note:

This update is basedline on Visio 2003 SP3, and unless that SP level

is
installed, the update will not install.

The article is being updated, and currently doesn't list the db

modeling
issue among the issues fixed.


Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]
--------------------

There is a fix under development, not yet available. I'll check again at
the end of the month and update this post and the others on this issue.

Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]
--------------------

Is there an update on this issue? Thanks. Kathleen Litton

There is no re-release date announced, but a new update is being

worked
on.

I will update this post when something becomes available or a date is
known.

Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]

is there any news on this, haven't seen any rerelease of MS08-19 to fix
this
issue. Thanks



:

Thanks for the info - I was incorrect in stating that it would not occur
with SP3 and the MS08-019 update. For users with SP2 and the security
update, applying SP3 seem to work okay. But when you have SP3 already
and
apply the Security update, the problem occurs.


Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]
--------------------
Thread-Topic: Error - Failed to initialize the modeling engine

I received the error with SP3 installed.

Uninstalling the security patch fixed the problem immediately.

[snip]

 

[pawo]

Thanks for the update. Much appreciated.

The article corrections are still going on, but I have confirmed that the
baseline is SP2.
So you can install it on either SP2 or SP3, and it provides all of the
fixes correctly in either case.

Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]
--------------------

Any update on this?

Thanks

Checking again on the article, I may have been wrong about the baseline. I
will check and let you know.

As I noted, the article is not updated for both issues fixed yet, either.

Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]
--------------------

For a large corporation I have been asked to package this hotfix to deploy
to
machines with Visio SP2.

The problem we face is that we cannot upgrade to Visio SP3 (no resource /
budget / project) or remove the security hotfix.

This new hotfix hotfix does install on SP2 and does in fact get rid of the
error message in Visio. However we cannot be sure it does not break
anything
else.

Will Microsoft be doing anything to fix this for SP2 users? and or offer
any
guidance other than to just upgrade or remove the KB947650 fix ?

FYI - A fix has been released which will resolve this issue and allow you
to work with the DB Modeling solution after the installation of the
security update in MS08-019.

The new hotfix ID is 958641, and it is available now, but must be requested
through (no-charge) support. You can review the options for making contact
with the support organization on the website here :
http://support.microsoft.com/contactus/?ws=support

The article for the fix is : http://support.microsoft.com/kb/958641

Two items of note:
This update is basedline on Visio 2003 SP3, and unless that SP level is
installed, the update will not install.
The article is being updated, and currently doesn't list the db modeling
issue among the issues fixed.


Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]
--------------------

There is a fix under development, not yet available. I'll check again at
the end of the month and update this post and the others on this issue.

Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]
--------------------

Is there an update on this issue? Thanks. Kathleen Litton

:

There is no re-release date announced, but a new update is being worked
on.
I will update this post when something becomes available or a date is
known.

Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]

is there any news on this, haven't seen any rerelease of MS08-19 to fix
this
issue. Thanks



:

Thanks for the info - I was incorrect in stating that it would not
occur
with SP3 and the MS08-019 update. For users with SP2 and the security
update, applying SP3 seem to work okay. But when you have SP3 already
and
apply the Security update, the problem occurs.


Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
[This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.]
--------------------
Thread-Topic: Error - Failed to initialize the modeling engine

I received the error with SP3 installed.

Uninstalling the security patch fixed the problem immediately.

[snip]