Extracting data from Word 2003 using XSLT

V

vasdeep

I have the following requirement.
1. User chooses to download the contents captured in our system as a word
document. I have written an XSLT that converts the system
data [in XML format] into WordML. To identify the contents of this
document, I
also create hidden tags as part of this Transformation.
Using Word property, "w:visible", I add these tags . For example it
could be something like <vasuclause> </vasuclause>
These tags will not be visible to the end-user when viewed from MS
Word 2003. The contents between these tags will be the text that the user
will see and
it represents an entity in our system. So, there will be many occurrences of
this pattern corresponding to the entities in the system.
But when Word 2003 tries to open the WordML created this way, it will
try to process the tag "<vasuclause>" and error out. To avoid this, as part
of my
transformation I escape the "<" and ">" tags, resulting in "%lt;vasuclause>"
and
"%lt;/vasuclause>"

Question 1: Is this approach right?

The user can now open the document in Word 2003.

2. The user can make changes to the document and upload it back to the
system.
I have written another XSLT that reads the contents of the document
and extracts the text including the formatting.
i.e. if the user has used bold, italics, underline, lists, paragraphs
etc, all that information is captured as part of this transformation. The
XSLT has relevant templates to convert the run properties for "bold",
"italics", "lists", etc to
their HTML equivalents. The XSLT outputs an XML document containing the text
with relevant formatting instructions.
As part of this, I need to read the tags that I had inserted
"vasuclause" and using that identify each entity.
Question 2: The XML output will be something
like
<vasuclause>This is the first paragraph with <b> bold </b>
</vasuclause>
The second stage of this process is to use a SAX parser to read
the XML and insert the data into the database. But the XML output is not
correct. It has
the tags escaped. Is there a way to resolve this.


The examples available in mdsn talk about using XSD for defining the Data
Definition for the word document and defining blocks where the user can
provide input. Then the user can save the file by choosing "Save Data Only"
option. But this does not work for my requirement. Doing so saves only the
"data(text)" and
loses the formatting. I need to capture both the data and the formatting.

Also these examples talk about user providing data into specific input
blocks. In my case, the user can add new paragraph texts. Hence, I have not
been able
to use the suggested solution. Is there something that I'm missing?

Is there a way to achieve what I wish to accomplish? Will the procedure I
have explained above work? Is there a better way.
 
V

vasdeep

Sorry, my earlier email was incomplete.

I meant to ask...
Could someone please help me with these issues?

Thanks in Advance.

vasdeep


vasdeep said:
I have the following requirement.
1. User chooses to download the contents captured in our system as a word
document. I have written an XSLT that converts the system
data [in XML format] into WordML. To identify the contents of this
document, I
also create hidden tags as part of this Transformation.
Using Word property, "w:visible", I add these tags . For example it
could be something like <vasuclause> </vasuclause>
These tags will not be visible to the end-user when viewed from MS
Word 2003. The contents between these tags will be the text that the user
will see and
it represents an entity in our system. So, there will be many occurrences of
this pattern corresponding to the entities in the system.
But when Word 2003 tries to open the WordML created this way, it will
try to process the tag "<vasuclause>" and error out. To avoid this, as part
of my
transformation I escape the "<" and ">" tags, resulting in "%lt;vasuclause>"
and
"%lt;/vasuclause>"

Question 1: Is this approach right?

The user can now open the document in Word 2003.

2. The user can make changes to the document and upload it back to the
system.
I have written another XSLT that reads the contents of the document
and extracts the text including the formatting.
i.e. if the user has used bold, italics, underline, lists, paragraphs
etc, all that information is captured as part of this transformation. The
XSLT has relevant templates to convert the run properties for "bold",
"italics", "lists", etc to
their HTML equivalents. The XSLT outputs an XML document containing the text
with relevant formatting instructions.
As part of this, I need to read the tags that I had inserted
"vasuclause" and using that identify each entity.
Question 2: The XML output will be something
like
<vasuclause>This is the first paragraph with <b> bold </b>
</vasuclause>
The second stage of this process is to use a SAX parser to read
the XML and insert the data into the database. But the XML output is not
correct. It has
the tags escaped. Is there a way to resolve this.


The examples available in mdsn talk about using XSD for defining the Data
Definition for the word document and defining blocks where the user can
provide input. Then the user can save the file by choosing "Save Data Only"
option. But this does not work for my requirement. Doing so saves only the
"data(text)" and
loses the formatting. I need to capture both the data and the formatting.

Also these examples talk about user providing data into specific input
blocks. In my case, the user can add new paragraph texts. Hence, I have not
been able
to use the suggested solution. Is there something that I'm missing?

Is there a way to achieve what I wish to accomplish? Will the procedure I
have explained above work? Is there a better way.
 
V

vasdeep

Could some one please respond.....

vasdeep said:
Sorry, my earlier email was incomplete.

I meant to ask...
Could someone please help me with these issues?

Thanks in Advance.

vasdeep


vasdeep said:
I have the following requirement.
1. User chooses to download the contents captured in our system as a word
document. I have written an XSLT that converts the system
data [in XML format] into WordML. To identify the contents of this
document, I
also create hidden tags as part of this Transformation.
Using Word property, "w:visible", I add these tags . For example it
could be something like <vasuclause> </vasuclause>
These tags will not be visible to the end-user when viewed from MS
Word 2003. The contents between these tags will be the text that the user
will see and
it represents an entity in our system. So, there will be many occurrences of
this pattern corresponding to the entities in the system.
But when Word 2003 tries to open the WordML created this way, it will
try to process the tag "<vasuclause>" and error out. To avoid this, as part
of my
transformation I escape the "<" and ">" tags, resulting in "%lt;vasuclause>"
and
"%lt;/vasuclause>"

Question 1: Is this approach right?

The user can now open the document in Word 2003.

2. The user can make changes to the document and upload it back to the
system.
I have written another XSLT that reads the contents of the document
and extracts the text including the formatting.
i.e. if the user has used bold, italics, underline, lists, paragraphs
etc, all that information is captured as part of this transformation. The
XSLT has relevant templates to convert the run properties for "bold",
"italics", "lists", etc to
their HTML equivalents. The XSLT outputs an XML document containing the text
with relevant formatting instructions.
As part of this, I need to read the tags that I had inserted
"vasuclause" and using that identify each entity.
Question 2: The XML output will be something
like
<vasuclause>This is the first paragraph with <b> bold </b>
</vasuclause>
The second stage of this process is to use a SAX parser to read
the XML and insert the data into the database. But the XML output is not
correct. It has
the tags escaped. Is there a way to resolve this.


The examples available in mdsn talk about using XSD for defining the Data
Definition for the word document and defining blocks where the user can
provide input. Then the user can save the file by choosing "Save Data Only"
option. But this does not work for my requirement. Doing so saves only the
"data(text)" and
loses the formatting. I need to capture both the data and the formatting.

Also these examples talk about user providing data into specific input
blocks. In my case, the user can add new paragraph texts. Hence, I have not
been able
to use the suggested solution. Is there something that I'm missing?

Is there a way to achieve what I wish to accomplish? Will the procedure I
have explained above work? Is there a better way.
 
W

Word Heretic

G'day "vasdeep" <[email protected]>,

You should be using the schema defined tags for hidden text, however,
the user can choose to view hidden text which will then expose it.

Steve Hudson - Word Heretic

steve from wordheretic.com (Email replies require payment)
Without prejudice


vasdeep reckoned:
Could some one please respond.....

vasdeep said:
Sorry, my earlier email was incomplete.

I meant to ask...
Could someone please help me with these issues?

Thanks in Advance.

vasdeep


vasdeep said:
I have the following requirement.
1. User chooses to download the contents captured in our system as a word
document. I have written an XSLT that converts the system
data [in XML format] into WordML. To identify the contents of this
document, I
also create hidden tags as part of this Transformation.
Using Word property, "w:visible", I add these tags . For example it
could be something like <vasuclause> </vasuclause>
These tags will not be visible to the end-user when viewed from MS
Word 2003. The contents between these tags will be the text that the user
will see and
it represents an entity in our system. So, there will be many occurrences of
this pattern corresponding to the entities in the system.
But when Word 2003 tries to open the WordML created this way, it will
try to process the tag "<vasuclause>" and error out. To avoid this, as part
of my
transformation I escape the "<" and ">" tags, resulting in "%lt;vasuclause>"
and
"%lt;/vasuclause>"

Question 1: Is this approach right?

The user can now open the document in Word 2003.

2. The user can make changes to the document and upload it back to the
system.
I have written another XSLT that reads the contents of the document
and extracts the text including the formatting.
i.e. if the user has used bold, italics, underline, lists, paragraphs
etc, all that information is captured as part of this transformation. The
XSLT has relevant templates to convert the run properties for "bold",
"italics", "lists", etc to
their HTML equivalents. The XSLT outputs an XML document containing the text
with relevant formatting instructions.
As part of this, I need to read the tags that I had inserted
"vasuclause" and using that identify each entity.
Question 2: The XML output will be something
like
<vasuclause>This is the first paragraph with <b> bold </b>
</vasuclause>
The second stage of this process is to use a SAX parser to read
the XML and insert the data into the database. But the XML output is not
correct. It has
the tags escaped. Is there a way to resolve this.


The examples available in mdsn talk about using XSD for defining the Data
Definition for the word document and defining blocks where the user can
provide input. Then the user can save the file by choosing "Save Data Only"
option. But this does not work for my requirement. Doing so saves only the
"data(text)" and
loses the formatting. I need to capture both the data and the formatting.

Also these examples talk about user providing data into specific input
blocks. In my case, the user can add new paragraph texts. Hence, I have not
been able
to use the suggested solution. Is there something that I'm missing?

Is there a way to achieve what I wish to accomplish? Will the procedure I
have explained above work? Is there a better way.
 
V

vasdeep

Thanks for the update.

The issue I have around the use of "schema defined tags" is that..
1. The user has an option to see them.
2. If the user wants to add more text to the document, that will not be
within the schema defined tags. Will use of schema, fail to save the file as
a result of validation?

Word Heretic said:
G'day "vasdeep" <[email protected]>,

You should be using the schema defined tags for hidden text, however,
the user can choose to view hidden text which will then expose it.

Steve Hudson - Word Heretic

steve from wordheretic.com (Email replies require payment)
Without prejudice


vasdeep reckoned:
Could some one please respond.....

vasdeep said:
Sorry, my earlier email was incomplete.

I meant to ask...
Could someone please help me with these issues?

Thanks in Advance.

vasdeep


:

I have the following requirement.
1. User chooses to download the contents captured in our system as a word
document. I have written an XSLT that converts the system
data [in XML format] into WordML. To identify the contents of this
document, I
also create hidden tags as part of this Transformation.
Using Word property, "w:visible", I add these tags . For example it
could be something like <vasuclause> </vasuclause>
These tags will not be visible to the end-user when viewed from MS
Word 2003. The contents between these tags will be the text that the user
will see and
it represents an entity in our system. So, there will be many occurrences of
this pattern corresponding to the entities in the system.
But when Word 2003 tries to open the WordML created this way, it will
try to process the tag "<vasuclause>" and error out. To avoid this, as part
of my
transformation I escape the "<" and ">" tags, resulting in "%lt;vasuclause>"
and
"%lt;/vasuclause>"

Question 1: Is this approach right?

The user can now open the document in Word 2003.

2. The user can make changes to the document and upload it back to the
system.
I have written another XSLT that reads the contents of the document
and extracts the text including the formatting.
i.e. if the user has used bold, italics, underline, lists, paragraphs
etc, all that information is captured as part of this transformation. The
XSLT has relevant templates to convert the run properties for "bold",
"italics", "lists", etc to
their HTML equivalents. The XSLT outputs an XML document containing the text
with relevant formatting instructions.
As part of this, I need to read the tags that I had inserted
"vasuclause" and using that identify each entity.
Question 2: The XML output will be something
like
<vasuclause>This is the first paragraph with <b> bold </b>
</vasuclause>
The second stage of this process is to use a SAX parser to read
the XML and insert the data into the database. But the XML output is not
correct. It has
the tags escaped. Is there a way to resolve this.


The examples available in mdsn talk about using XSD for defining the Data
Definition for the word document and defining blocks where the user can
provide input. Then the user can save the file by choosing "Save Data Only"
option. But this does not work for my requirement. Doing so saves only the
"data(text)" and
loses the formatting. I need to capture both the data and the formatting.

Also these examples talk about user providing data into specific input
blocks. In my case, the user can add new paragraph texts. Hence, I have not
been able
to use the suggested solution. Is there something that I'm missing?

Is there a way to achieve what I wish to accomplish? Will the procedure I
have explained above work? Is there a better way.
 
W

Word Heretic

G'day "vasdeep" <[email protected]>,

In that case your information needs structuring using some other
method. By the sound of it, using bookmark tags might be the go.

You could do something like

MyBookmark1Start to mark the start of a section and MyBookmark1End to
mark the end, or just MyBookmark1 to cover the whole range. There are
some issues with the user editing near or on the bookmark terminator
but it might be closer to what you need.

Steve Hudson - Word Heretic

steve from wordheretic.com (Email replies require payment)
Without prejudice


vasdeep reckoned:
Thanks for the update.

The issue I have around the use of "schema defined tags" is that..
1. The user has an option to see them.
2. If the user wants to add more text to the document, that will not be
within the schema defined tags. Will use of schema, fail to save the file as
a result of validation?

Word Heretic said:
G'day "vasdeep" <[email protected]>,

You should be using the schema defined tags for hidden text, however,
the user can choose to view hidden text which will then expose it.

Steve Hudson - Word Heretic

steve from wordheretic.com (Email replies require payment)
Without prejudice


vasdeep reckoned:
Could some one please respond.....

:

Sorry, my earlier email was incomplete.

I meant to ask...
Could someone please help me with these issues?

Thanks in Advance.

vasdeep


:

I have the following requirement.
1. User chooses to download the contents captured in our system as a word
document. I have written an XSLT that converts the system
data [in XML format] into WordML. To identify the contents of this
document, I
also create hidden tags as part of this Transformation.
Using Word property, "w:visible", I add these tags . For example it
could be something like <vasuclause> </vasuclause>
These tags will not be visible to the end-user when viewed from MS
Word 2003. The contents between these tags will be the text that the user
will see and
it represents an entity in our system. So, there will be many occurrences of
this pattern corresponding to the entities in the system.
But when Word 2003 tries to open the WordML created this way, it will
try to process the tag "<vasuclause>" and error out. To avoid this, as part
of my
transformation I escape the "<" and ">" tags, resulting in "%lt;vasuclause>"
and
"%lt;/vasuclause>"

Question 1: Is this approach right?

The user can now open the document in Word 2003.

2. The user can make changes to the document and upload it back to the
system.
I have written another XSLT that reads the contents of the document
and extracts the text including the formatting.
i.e. if the user has used bold, italics, underline, lists, paragraphs
etc, all that information is captured as part of this transformation. The
XSLT has relevant templates to convert the run properties for "bold",
"italics", "lists", etc to
their HTML equivalents. The XSLT outputs an XML document containing the text
with relevant formatting instructions.
As part of this, I need to read the tags that I had inserted
"vasuclause" and using that identify each entity.
Question 2: The XML output will be something
like
<vasuclause>This is the first paragraph with <b> bold </b>
</vasuclause>
The second stage of this process is to use a SAX parser to read
the XML and insert the data into the database. But the XML output is not
correct. It has
the tags escaped. Is there a way to resolve this.


The examples available in mdsn talk about using XSD for defining the Data
Definition for the word document and defining blocks where the user can
provide input. Then the user can save the file by choosing "Save Data Only"
option. But this does not work for my requirement. Doing so saves only the
"data(text)" and
loses the formatting. I need to capture both the data and the formatting.

Also these examples talk about user providing data into specific input
blocks. In my case, the user can add new paragraph texts. Hence, I have not
been able
to use the suggested solution. Is there something that I'm missing?

Is there a way to achieve what I wish to accomplish? Will the procedure I
have explained above work? Is there a better way.
 
V

vasdeep

Thanks for the help. I'll try that out and post the details back to the forum.

I sincerely appreciate your help.

Regards,
vasdeep

Word Heretic said:
G'day "vasdeep" <[email protected]>,

In that case your information needs structuring using some other
method. By the sound of it, using bookmark tags might be the go.

You could do something like

MyBookmark1Start to mark the start of a section and MyBookmark1End to
mark the end, or just MyBookmark1 to cover the whole range. There are
some issues with the user editing near or on the bookmark terminator
but it might be closer to what you need.

Steve Hudson - Word Heretic

steve from wordheretic.com (Email replies require payment)
Without prejudice


vasdeep reckoned:
Thanks for the update.

The issue I have around the use of "schema defined tags" is that..
1. The user has an option to see them.
2. If the user wants to add more text to the document, that will not be
within the schema defined tags. Will use of schema, fail to save the file as
a result of validation?

Word Heretic said:
G'day "vasdeep" <[email protected]>,

You should be using the schema defined tags for hidden text, however,
the user can choose to view hidden text which will then expose it.

Steve Hudson - Word Heretic

steve from wordheretic.com (Email replies require payment)
Without prejudice


vasdeep reckoned:

Could some one please respond.....

:

Sorry, my earlier email was incomplete.

I meant to ask...
Could someone please help me with these issues?

Thanks in Advance.

vasdeep


:

I have the following requirement.
1. User chooses to download the contents captured in our system as a word
document. I have written an XSLT that converts the system
data [in XML format] into WordML. To identify the contents of this
document, I
also create hidden tags as part of this Transformation.
Using Word property, "w:visible", I add these tags . For example it
could be something like <vasuclause> </vasuclause>
These tags will not be visible to the end-user when viewed from MS
Word 2003. The contents between these tags will be the text that the user
will see and
it represents an entity in our system. So, there will be many occurrences of
this pattern corresponding to the entities in the system.
But when Word 2003 tries to open the WordML created this way, it will
try to process the tag "<vasuclause>" and error out. To avoid this, as part
of my
transformation I escape the "<" and ">" tags, resulting in "%lt;vasuclause>"
and
"%lt;/vasuclause>"

Question 1: Is this approach right?

The user can now open the document in Word 2003.

2. The user can make changes to the document and upload it back to the
system.
I have written another XSLT that reads the contents of the document
and extracts the text including the formatting.
i.e. if the user has used bold, italics, underline, lists, paragraphs
etc, all that information is captured as part of this transformation. The
XSLT has relevant templates to convert the run properties for "bold",
"italics", "lists", etc to
their HTML equivalents. The XSLT outputs an XML document containing the text
with relevant formatting instructions.
As part of this, I need to read the tags that I had inserted
"vasuclause" and using that identify each entity.
Question 2: The XML output will be something
like
<vasuclause>This is the first paragraph with <b> bold </b>
</vasuclause>
The second stage of this process is to use a SAX parser to read
the XML and insert the data into the database. But the XML output is not
correct. It has
the tags escaped. Is there a way to resolve this.


The examples available in mdsn talk about using XSD for defining the Data
Definition for the word document and defining blocks where the user can
provide input. Then the user can save the file by choosing "Save Data Only"
option. But this does not work for my requirement. Doing so saves only the
"data(text)" and
loses the formatting. I need to capture both the data and the formatting.

Also these examples talk about user providing data into specific input
blocks. In my case, the user can add new paragraph texts. Hence, I have not
been able
to use the suggested solution. Is there something that I'm missing?

Is there a way to achieve what I wish to accomplish? Will the procedure I
have explained above work? Is there a better way.
 
T

Throbbing Hard

Please! Someone give advice on how I would get my Word program to start
uploading again!
--
Throbbing Hard


vasdeep said:
I have the following requirement.
1. User chooses to download the contents captured in our system as a word
document. I have written an XSLT that converts the system
data [in XML format] into WordML. To identify the contents of this
document, I
also create hidden tags as part of this Transformation.
Using Word property, "w:visible", I add these tags . For example it
could be something like <vasuclause> </vasuclause>
These tags will not be visible to the end-user when viewed from MS
Word 2003. The contents between these tags will be the text that the user
will see and
it represents an entity in our system. So, there will be many occurrences of
this pattern corresponding to the entities in the system.
But when Word 2003 tries to open the WordML created this way, it will
try to process the tag "<vasuclause>" and error out. To avoid this, as part
of my
transformation I escape the "<" and ">" tags, resulting in "%lt;vasuclause>"
and
"%lt;/vasuclause>"

Question 1: Is this approach right?

The user can now open the document in Word 2003.

2. The user can make changes to the document and upload it back to the
system.
I have written another XSLT that reads the contents of the document
and extracts the text including the formatting.
i.e. if the user has used bold, italics, underline, lists, paragraphs
etc, all that information is captured as part of this transformation. The
XSLT has relevant templates to convert the run properties for "bold",
"italics", "lists", etc to
their HTML equivalents. The XSLT outputs an XML document containing the text
with relevant formatting instructions.
As part of this, I need to read the tags that I had inserted
"vasuclause" and using that identify each entity.
Question 2: The XML output will be something
like
<vasuclause>This is the first paragraph with <b> bold </b>
</vasuclause>
The second stage of this process is to use a SAX parser to read
the XML and insert the data into the database. But the XML output is not
correct. It has
the tags escaped. Is there a way to resolve this.


The examples available in mdsn talk about using XSD for defining the Data
Definition for the word document and defining blocks where the user can
provide input. Then the user can save the file by choosing "Save Data Only"
option. But this does not work for my requirement. Doing so saves only the
"data(text)" and
loses the formatting. I need to capture both the data and the formatting.

Also these examples talk about user providing data into specific input
blocks. In my case, the user can add new paragraph texts. Hence, I have not
been able
to use the suggested solution. Is there something that I'm missing?

Is there a way to achieve what I wish to accomplish? Will the procedure I
have explained above work? Is there a better way.
 
V

vasdeep

Hi there,
Could you please explain your issue. I saw ur question in response to one of
the threads I had posted. I'll try to help you out.

Regards,
vasdeep

Throbbing Hard said:
Please! Someone give advice on how I would get my Word program to start
uploading again!
--
Throbbing Hard


vasdeep said:
I have the following requirement.
1. User chooses to download the contents captured in our system as a word
document. I have written an XSLT that converts the system
data [in XML format] into WordML. To identify the contents of this
document, I
also create hidden tags as part of this Transformation.
Using Word property, "w:visible", I add these tags . For example it
could be something like <vasuclause> </vasuclause>
These tags will not be visible to the end-user when viewed from MS
Word 2003. The contents between these tags will be the text that the user
will see and
it represents an entity in our system. So, there will be many occurrences of
this pattern corresponding to the entities in the system.
But when Word 2003 tries to open the WordML created this way, it will
try to process the tag "<vasuclause>" and error out. To avoid this, as part
of my
transformation I escape the "<" and ">" tags, resulting in "%lt;vasuclause>"
and
"%lt;/vasuclause>"

Question 1: Is this approach right?

The user can now open the document in Word 2003.

2. The user can make changes to the document and upload it back to the
system.
I have written another XSLT that reads the contents of the document
and extracts the text including the formatting.
i.e. if the user has used bold, italics, underline, lists, paragraphs
etc, all that information is captured as part of this transformation. The
XSLT has relevant templates to convert the run properties for "bold",
"italics", "lists", etc to
their HTML equivalents. The XSLT outputs an XML document containing the text
with relevant formatting instructions.
As part of this, I need to read the tags that I had inserted
"vasuclause" and using that identify each entity.
Question 2: The XML output will be something
like
<vasuclause>This is the first paragraph with <b> bold </b>
</vasuclause>
The second stage of this process is to use a SAX parser to read
the XML and insert the data into the database. But the XML output is not
correct. It has
the tags escaped. Is there a way to resolve this.


The examples available in mdsn talk about using XSD for defining the Data
Definition for the word document and defining blocks where the user can
provide input. Then the user can save the file by choosing "Save Data Only"
option. But this does not work for my requirement. Doing so saves only the
"data(text)" and
loses the formatting. I need to capture both the data and the formatting.

Also these examples talk about user providing data into specific input
blocks. In my case, the user can add new paragraph texts. Hence, I have not
been able
to use the suggested solution. Is there something that I'm missing?

Is there a way to achieve what I wish to accomplish? Will the procedure I
have explained above work? Is there a better way.
 
C

Cindy M -WordMVP-

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Someone give advice on how I would get my Word program to start
uploading again!
1. Post in an appropriate newsgroup. To find out if a group is
suitable, read some of the message threads. This group is for VBA
(Word programming) questions. Definitely NOT the right place to
get help for your problem.

2. Post your request as a new message, not a reply. People are
less likely to see a reply.

3. As far as I know, the human race still istn't able to
read minds. Describe the problem you're having in detail. No one
has any idea exactly what difficulties you're experiencing, based
on what you've written. Inlcude
1. Version of Word
2. Version of Windows
3. The exact wording of any error messages you're getting
4. Describe the exact circumstances (things you're doing)
when the problem occurs
5. Describe HOW the problem looks, or HOW "it's not working"

Cindy Meister
INTER-Solutions, Switzerland
http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 8
2004)
http://www.word.mvps.org

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