Fit Word 2004 window to page & contents?

[Tony]

Hi,

When I open a Word file (say 200% zoom on a large TFT display) Word
expands it fine all the way vertical, yet the text is truncated on the
right.

Clicking on the green button on top left maximizes too much
horizontally: too much extra blue borders between the actual white page
borders and the Word window itself.

Is there a way to make the Word window just fit the page & contents
(besides doing it manually dragging the window corner to fit)?

Note: this has been a Word for Mac issue from its first version to Word
2004 now, as far as I remember. As an example, MacWrite Pro 1.5 just
did the right thing years ago.

Thanks.

 

[Elliott Roper]

Hi,

When I open a Word file (say 200% zoom on a large TFT display) Word
expands it fine all the way vertical, yet the text is truncated on the
right.

Clicking on the green button on top left maximizes too much
horizontally: too much extra blue borders between the actual white page
borders and the Word window itself.

Is there a way to make the Word window just fit the page & contents
(besides doing it manually dragging the window corner to fit)?

What works for me is, in page layout view, to choose view->zoom...->Fit
width. Once you have dragged the Window corner to the size you like,
the document should remember its size and shape. While working on
something that requires a closer view, drag the page wider - the text
zooms to fit the width - for once Word has an apposite command name.
When you want to see what the layout looks like, drag it skinnier till
a whole page fits.

I got so fond of it, I made a macro for swapping to page view and fit
width in a single bound (ok, keystroke, I've been standing around the
Kryptonite too much this evening) It's been posted here before, but
then so has your question.

Sub pageWidth()
'
' pageWidth Macro
' Macro recorded 05-01-2004 by Elliott Roper
'
If ActiveWindow.View.SplitSpecial = wdPaneNone Then
ActiveWindow.ActivePane.View.Type = wdPageView
Else
ActiveWindow.View.Type = wdPageView
End If
ActiveWindow.ActivePane.View.Zoom.PageFit = wdPageFitBestFit
End Sub

Note: this has been a Word for Mac issue from its first version to Word
2004 now, as far as I remember. As an example, MacWrite Pro 1.5 just
did the right thing years ago.

There are so many ways to do it in Word, so many screen sizes, so many
paper shapes, and so many eyesight prescriptions, only some fortunate
people can get by with a single 'page' view. The rest of us have to
fiddle.

Note that this recipe only works in page layout view. Were I working
frequently in Normal view, I'd make a macro to set the zoom and page
width for each of my paper sizes. I use that trick in Excel.

 

[Tony]

Elliott,

Thanks.

It seems then that it is not possible to do it automatically just
clicking a button or a keyboard command. Yet, many applications like
web browsers or other word processors do it automatically or just
clicking on the green button on top left. No need to drag anything.

It is my suggestion to Microsoft to, please, implement it if possible in Word.

Actually, every single time that you open a file, Word should expand it
vertically and horizontally to fit --and just to fit; no more or less--
the document area.

And if the user changes the zoom, then Word should readjust
automatically the window area to show all contents.

Thank again,

---

 

[Elliott Roper]

Actually, every single time that you open a file, Word should expand it
vertically and horizontally to fit --and just to fit; no more or less--
the document area.

It might be possible to do that in Applescript. I'm not good enough at
it yet to say for sure, or put it neatly into a Word button or
keystroke.

And if the user changes the zoom, then Word should readjust
automatically the window area to show all contents.

Tastes vary. That would be useless to me on a tiny Powerbook screen for
instance. I do agree that it would be a neat option to have, even if
you didn't use it much ;-)

 

[Jim Gordon MVP]

Hi Tony,

I use the "Zoom Page Width" button.

To make this button available use Tools>Customize>Menus and Toolbars.
Click the Commands tab.
Locate the ZoomPageWidth command in the right side of the dialog box and
drag the command to any toolbar. Close the dialog box and you're done.

-Jim

 

[Tony]

Elliott,

Thanks.

When you use a 20, 23 or 30-inch TFT Apple Cinema Display you really
miss such automatic feature!

 

[Tony]

Jim,

Thanks.

Selecting on the left "All commands" I cannot see any "Zoom" or
"ZoomPageWidth". The last command is "WW7_ToolsOptions".

---

 

[Dayo Mitchell]

Hi Tony,

All the zoom commands are listed as ViewZoom[whatever]...so look in the
Vs...

The dialog's a nightmare to use, but the results are usually worth it. Send
complaints straight to the developers via the Send Feedback menu under Help,
if you want to...

DM

 

[Tony]

Dayo,

Thanks.

I have done it. Yet, when I click such "Zoom Page Width" icon on the
toolbar Word 2004 does right what showing all contents horizontally,
yet shrinks the document from 200% to 105% and I do not want it. I am
using a large 30-inch TFT Apple Cinema Display and I want to see large
fonts to read better.

I then I choose "200%" on the other Zoom icon tool, the document looks
fine vertically, but is truncated on the right side.

I must drag manually --and that is what I do not want to do-- the
bottom left corner of the window to expand the view to the right. As
said, the TFT is a large widescreen, so there is enough area.

Note that I do not want to stretch the document to take the full screen
horizontally, but only what is required to see all its contents
horizontally.

This should be possible for Microsoft programmers only if they wish.
This feature was available many years ago in MacWrite Pro 1.5 for Mac:
clicking on the expand icon of the window always expanded the document
to show all contents and only just to show hem (no more).

Thanks again.

---

Hi Tony,

All the zoom commands are listed as ViewZoom[whatever]...so look in the
Vs...

The dialog's a nightmare to use, but the results are usually worth it. Send
complaints straight to the developers via the Send Feedback menu under Help,
if you want to...

DM

Jim,

Thanks.

Selecting on the left "All commands" I cannot see any "Zoom" or
"ZoomPageWidth". The last command is "WW7_ToolsOptions".

 

[Dayo Mitchell]

Hi Tony,

I'm not sure how this would affect the window size, but it sounds like you
might want to find your perfect zoom, then record a macro of yourself
setting it and put that on a toolbar. It should look something like this:

Sub ZoomDesiredPercent
ActiveWindow.View.Zoom.Percentage = 105 (or your desired percentage)
End Sub

You *could* force Word to always have the same size doc window, or write a
macro to flip the window to a certain size, but it doesn't quite sound like
that is what you're after, although possibly a macro that sets the zoom and
the size would work.

The best way to ensure your feature request gets logged and considered is to
use the Send Feedback under Help, by the way. It would be nice to have a
feature that sized the window to the text, I do that manually a lot.
Actually, I should make myself a window size macro, because I do mostly want
it the same size. Thanks for the idea! (Not that I know how to write that
macro, will have to figure it out later...)

Dayo

Dayo,

Thanks.

I have done it. Yet, when I click such "Zoom Page Width" icon on the
toolbar Word 2004 does right what showing all contents horizontally,
yet shrinks the document from 200% to 105% and I do not want it. I am
using a large 30-inch TFT Apple Cinema Display and I want to see large
fonts to read better.

I then I choose "200%" on the other Zoom icon tool, the document looks
fine vertically, but is truncated on the right side.

I must drag manually --and that is what I do not want to do-- the
bottom left corner of the window to expand the view to the right. As
said, the TFT is a large widescreen, so there is enough area.

Note that I do not want to stretch the document to take the full screen
horizontally, but only what is required to see all its contents
horizontally.

This should be possible for Microsoft programmers only if they wish.
This feature was available many years ago in MacWrite Pro 1.5 for Mac:
clicking on the expand icon of the window always expanded the document
to show all contents and only just to show hem (no more).

Thanks again.

---

Hi Tony,

All the zoom commands are listed as ViewZoom[whatever]...so look in the
Vs...

The dialog's a nightmare to use, but the results are usually worth it. Send
complaints straight to the developers via the Send Feedback menu under Help,
if you want to...

DM

Jim,

Thanks.

Selecting on the left "All commands" I cannot see any "Zoom" or
"ZoomPageWidth". The last command is "WW7_ToolsOptions".

---
PageWidth commandOn 2004-08-15 20:09:51 +0200, Jim Gordon MVP
<[email protected]> said:

Hi Tony,

I use the "Zoom Page Width" button.

To make this button available use Tools>Customize>Menus and Toolbars.
Click the Commands tab.
Locate the ZoomPageWidth command in the right side of the dialog box
and drag the command to any toolbar. Close the dialog box and you're
done.

-Jim

 

[Tony]

Dayo,

Many thanks for the feedback.

The problem here is that the percentage of zoom that I use is not
always the same. It is not always 200%, but depends on the actual file
and also on what I am doing with it. It could be lower or higher than
100% and variable for each file.

Just clicking once on the maximize button (green on top left) should do
the trick, yet, as said, it works fine vertically (fits OK) but
truncates contents (at 200% zoom or similar) on the right side on large
30-inch TFT displays. At lower zoom rations than 100%, it leaves too
much "blue" frame area on left and right sides between the actual page
and the window borders. It only works fine when magnification is
exactly 100% (not more, and not less).

Thus, in other words, what I am looking for is that the maximize button
(green on top left) should work the same at 100% zoom as at any other
lower or higher zoom rations.

And, as said, the good old Apple-Claris MacWrite Pro 1.5 did that years ago.

Thanks again.

---

Hi Tony,

I'm not sure how this would affect the window size, but it sounds like you
might want to find your perfect zoom, then record a macro of yourself
setting it and put that on a toolbar. It should look something like this:

Sub ZoomDesiredPercent
ActiveWindow.View.Zoom.Percentage = 105 (or your desired percentage)
End Sub

You *could* force Word to always have the same size doc window, or write a
macro to flip the window to a certain size, but it doesn't quite sound like
that is what you're after, although possibly a macro that sets the zoom and
the size would work.

The best way to ensure your feature request gets logged and considered is to
use the Send Feedback under Help, by the way. It would be nice to have a
feature that sized the window to the text, I do that manually a lot.
Actually, I should make myself a window size macro, because I do mostly want
it the same size. Thanks for the idea! (Not that I know how to write that
macro, will have to figure it out later...)

Dayo

Dayo,

Thanks.

I have done it. Yet, when I click such "Zoom Page Width" icon on the
toolbar Word 2004 does right what showing all contents horizontally,
yet shrinks the document from 200% to 105% and I do not want it. I am
using a large 30-inch TFT Apple Cinema Display and I want to see large
fonts to read better.

I then I choose "200%" on the other Zoom icon tool, the document looks
fine vertically, but is truncated on the right side.

I must drag manually --and that is what I do not want to do-- the
bottom left corner of the window to expand the view to the right. As
said, the TFT is a large widescreen, so there is enough area.

Note that I do not want to stretch the document to take the full screen
horizontally, but only what is required to see all its contents
horizontally.

This should be possible for Microsoft programmers only if they wish.
This feature was available many years ago in MacWrite Pro 1.5 for Mac:
clicking on the expand icon of the window always expanded the document
to show all contents and only just to show hem (no more).

Thanks again.

---

Hi Tony,

All the zoom commands are listed as ViewZoom[whatever]...so look in the
Vs...

The dialog's a nightmare to use, but the results are usually worth it. Send
complaints straight to the developers via the Send Feedback menu under Help,
if you want to...

DM

On 8/16/04 11:46 AM, "Tony" wrote:

Jim,

Thanks.

Selecting on the left "All commands" I cannot see any "Zoom" or
"ZoomPageWidth". The last command is "WW7_ToolsOptions".

---
PageWidth commandOn 2004-08-15 20:09:51 +0200, Jim Gordon MVP
<[email protected]> said:

Hi Tony,

I use the "Zoom Page Width" button.

To make this button available use Tools>Customize>Menus and Toolbars.
Click the Commands tab.
Locate the ZoomPageWidth command in the right side of the dialog box
and drag the command to any toolbar. Close the dialog box and you're
done.

-Jim

 

[Tony]

Hi,

Updates:

1. I always work as "View/Page Layout". That is WYSIWYG (ie., Mac like)

2. I have been testing and the following current (Mac OS X-native) word
processors do this fit contents exactly to window exactly as it should
be even if you change the zoom ratio (just clicking the green top left
magnification button does the trick neatly):

-- Mariner Write 3.6 <http://www.marinersoft.com>.
-- Nisus Writer Express 1.1a <http://www.nisus.com>

The latter (Nisus) does it the best.

Regards,


---

Dayo,

Many thanks for the feedback.

The problem here is that the percentage of zoom that I use is not
always the same. It is not always 200%, but depends on the actual file
and also on what I am doing with it. It could be lower or higher than
100% and variable for each file.

Just clicking once on the maximize button (green on top left) should do
the trick, yet, as said, it works fine vertically (fits OK) but
truncates contents (at 200% zoom or similar) on the right side on large
30-inch TFT displays. At lower zoom rations than 100%, it leaves too
much "blue" frame area on left and right sides between the actual page
and the window borders. It only works fine when magnification is
exactly 100% (not more, and not less).

Thus, in other words, what I am looking for is that the maximize button
(green on top left) should work the same at 100% zoom as at any other
lower or higher zoom rations.

And, as said, the good old Apple-Claris MacWrite Pro 1.5 did that years ago.

Thanks again.

---

Hi Tony,

I'm not sure how this would affect the window size, but it sounds like you
might want to find your perfect zoom, then record a macro of yourself
setting it and put that on a toolbar. It should look something like this:

Sub ZoomDesiredPercent
ActiveWindow.View.Zoom.Percentage = 105 (or your desired percentage)
End Sub

You *could* force Word to always have the same size doc window, or write a
macro to flip the window to a certain size, but it doesn't quite sound like
that is what you're after, although possibly a macro that sets the zoom and
the size would work.

The best way to ensure your feature request gets logged and considered is to
use the Send Feedback under Help, by the way. It would be nice to have a
feature that sized the window to the text, I do that manually a lot.
Actually, I should make myself a window size macro, because I do mostly want
it the same size. Thanks for the idea! (Not that I know how to write that
macro, will have to figure it out later...)

Dayo

Dayo,

Thanks.

I have done it. Yet, when I click such "Zoom Page Width" icon on the
toolbar Word 2004 does right what showing all contents horizontally,
yet shrinks the document from 200% to 105% and I do not want it. I am
using a large 30-inch TFT Apple Cinema Display and I want to see large
fonts to read better.

I then I choose "200%" on the other Zoom icon tool, the document looks
fine vertically, but is truncated on the right side.

I must drag manually --and that is what I do not want to do-- the
bottom left corner of the window to expand the view to the right. As
said, the TFT is a large widescreen, so there is enough area.

Note that I do not want to stretch the document to take the full screen
horizontally, but only what is required to see all its contents
horizontally.

This should be possible for Microsoft programmers only if they wish.
This feature was available many years ago in MacWrite Pro 1.5 for Mac:
clicking on the expand icon of the window always expanded the document
to show all contents and only just to show hem (no more).

Thanks again.

---
On 2004-08-16 20:35:34 +0200, Dayo Mitchell
<[email protected]> said:

Hi Tony,

All the zoom commands are listed as ViewZoom[whatever]...so look in the
Vs...

The dialog's a nightmare to use, but the results are usually worth it. Send
complaints straight to the developers via the Send Feedback menu under Help,
if you want to...

DM

On 8/16/04 11:46 AM, "Tony" wrote:

Jim,

Thanks.

Selecting on the left "All commands" I cannot see any "Zoom" or
"ZoomPageWidth". The last command is "WW7_ToolsOptions".

---
PageWidth commandOn 2004-08-15 20:09:51 +0200, Jim Gordon MVP
<[email protected]> said:

Hi Tony,

I use the "Zoom Page Width" button.

To make this button available use Tools>Customize>Menus and Toolbars.
Click the Commands tab.
Locate the ZoomPageWidth command in the right side of the dialog box
and drag the command to any toolbar. Close the dialog box and you're
done.

-Jim

 

[Clive Huggan]

Tony,

The following should work while Microsoft beaver away to add the feature
that by now you'll undoubtedly have sent to them via the Help menu:

1. Hit the green Expand (?) button so the document occupies the whole
screen.

2. Hit one of the buttons on a toolbar you can make in a few minutes
showing an array of display magnifications.

3. If your first guess at the size doesn't work, hit another button.

4. If that doesn't work, zoom the view up/down, get the best size and add
that size to your toolbar.

Soon you will have a toolbar that has a magnification size for every
contingency.

For notes on how to make such buttons on a toolbar, each with its own macro,
download "Bend Word to Your Will" (free) from
http://www.word.mvps.org/FAQs/WordMac/Bend/BendWord.htm, then look in
Appendix E: Making buttons for formatting shortcuts, under the heading 'View
the document at 110 per cent'. (Once you have made the first button you only
have to manually change the magnification size to make the next button.)

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is at least 5 hours different from the US and Europe,
so my follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
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Dayo,

Many thanks for the feedback.

The problem here is that the percentage of zoom that I use is not
always the same. It is not always 200%, but depends on the actual file
and also on what I am doing with it. It could be lower or higher than
100% and variable for each file.

Just clicking once on the maximize button (green on top left) should do
the trick, yet, as said, it works fine vertically (fits OK) but
truncates contents (at 200% zoom or similar) on the right side on large
30-inch TFT displays. At lower zoom rations than 100%, it leaves too
much "blue" frame area on left and right sides between the actual page
and the window borders. It only works fine when magnification is
exactly 100% (not more, and not less).

Thus, in other words, what I am looking for is that the maximize button
(green on top left) should work the same at 100% zoom as at any other
lower or higher zoom rations.

And, as said, the good old Apple-Claris MacWrite Pro 1.5 did that years ago.

Thanks again.

---

Hi Tony,

I'm not sure how this would affect the window size, but it sounds like you
might want to find your perfect zoom, then record a macro of yourself
setting it and put that on a toolbar. It should look something like this:

Sub ZoomDesiredPercent
ActiveWindow.View.Zoom.Percentage = 105 (or your desired percentage)
End Sub

You *could* force Word to always have the same size doc window, or write a
macro to flip the window to a certain size, but it doesn't quite sound like
that is what you're after, although possibly a macro that sets the zoom and
the size would work.

The best way to ensure your feature request gets logged and considered is to
use the Send Feedback under Help, by the way. It would be nice to have a
feature that sized the window to the text, I do that manually a lot.
Actually, I should make myself a window size macro, because I do mostly want
it the same size. Thanks for the idea! (Not that I know how to write that
macro, will have to figure it out later...)

Dayo

Dayo,

Thanks.

I have done it. Yet, when I click such "Zoom Page Width" icon on the
toolbar Word 2004 does right what showing all contents horizontally,
yet shrinks the document from 200% to 105% and I do not want it. I am
using a large 30-inch TFT Apple Cinema Display and I want to see large
fonts to read better.

I then I choose "200%" on the other Zoom icon tool, the document looks
fine vertically, but is truncated on the right side.

I must drag manually --and that is what I do not want to do-- the
bottom left corner of the window to expand the view to the right. As
said, the TFT is a large widescreen, so there is enough area.

Note that I do not want to stretch the document to take the full screen
horizontally, but only what is required to see all its contents
horizontally.

This should be possible for Microsoft programmers only if they wish.
This feature was available many years ago in MacWrite Pro 1.5 for Mac:
clicking on the expand icon of the window always expanded the document
to show all contents and only just to show hem (no more).

Thanks again.

---
On 2004-08-16 20:35:34 +0200, Dayo Mitchell
<[email protected]> said:

Hi Tony,

All the zoom commands are listed as ViewZoom[whatever]...so look in the
Vs...

The dialog's a nightmare to use, but the results are usually worth it.
Send
complaints straight to the developers via the Send Feedback menu under
Help,
if you want to...

DM

On 8/16/04 11:46 AM, "Tony" wrote:

Jim,

Thanks.

Selecting on the left "All commands" I cannot see any "Zoom" or
"ZoomPageWidth". The last command is "WW7_ToolsOptions".

---
PageWidth commandOn 2004-08-15 20:09:51 +0200, Jim Gordon MVP
<[email protected]> said:

Hi Tony,

I use the "Zoom Page Width" button.

To make this button available use Tools>Customize>Menus and Toolbars.
Click the Commands tab.
Locate the ZoomPageWidth command in the right side of the dialog box
and drag the command to any toolbar. Close the dialog box and you're
done.

-Jim

 

[Tony]

Clive,

Thanks.

I have tried it, yet it still requires manual dragging of the bottom
right window corner towards the right to expand more than the document
contents and then applying the other tricks. Then it works, but
precisely such manual dragging steps are the ones that I want to avoid
because they must be performed for each single Word file open that does
show this problem. As previously said, other word processors do it
right with a single click.

Note that the problem also arises because I am using very large
widescreen TFT monitors (all Apple Cinema Displays 22, 23 and
30-inches).

This is what I did:

1 - Open a Word file with text on "View/Page Layout".

2 - Set Zoom to 200% (Toolbar Standard button). That truncates the
window on right and bottom sides.

3 - Click the top left green (expansion) button of the window. That
expands OK tom-bottom (vertically) and also to the left, but not to the
right (horizontally). Thus, contents on the right of the Word file are
not displayed (truncated), even though, as said, there is plenty of
screen area (widescreen) to the right.

Note also that I do not want the word document to take all the screen
horizontally all the times, but only what is required to show all
contents horizontally (which may or may not require the whole screen
horizontally).

4 - If then I click the custom-made button "Zoom Page Width" (as Dayo
explained before on this thread), then the problem is that instead of
doing what I want (explained above), Word 2004 shrinks to 102% and that
fits OK all contents to a window, but not at 200% zoom, which is what I
want. At such 102% magnification the characters are too small to read
them properly. I want just that effect but keeping at 200%
magnification. That simple!

5 -If instead of step 4 above I click the custom-made button "One Page"
(as Dayo explained before on this thread), then the same issue
described in step 4 arises.

I wish Microsoft addresses this issue soon.

Thanks again.

---

Tony,

The following should work while Microsoft beaver away to add the feature
that by now you'll undoubtedly have sent to them via the Help menu:

1. Hit the green Expand (?) button so the document occupies the whole
screen.

2. Hit one of the buttons on a toolbar you can make in a few minutes
showing an array of display magnifications.

3. If your first guess at the size doesn't work, hit another button.

4. If that doesn't work, zoom the view up/down, get the best size and add
that size to your toolbar.

Soon you will have a toolbar that has a magnification size for every
contingency.

For notes on how to make such buttons on a toolbar, each with its own macro,
download "Bend Word to Your Will" (free) from
http://www.word.mvps.org/FAQs/WordMac/Bend/BendWord.htm, then look in
Appendix E: Making buttons for formatting shortcuts, under the heading 'View
the document at 110 per cent'. (Once you have made the first button you only
have to manually change the magnification size to make the next button.)

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is at least 5 hours different from the US and Europe,
so my follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
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Dayo,

Many thanks for the feedback.

The problem here is that the percentage of zoom that I use is not
always the same. It is not always 200%, but depends on the actual file
and also on what I am doing with it. It could be lower or higher than
100% and variable for each file.

Just clicking once on the maximize button (green on top left) should do
the trick, yet, as said, it works fine vertically (fits OK) but
truncates contents (at 200% zoom or similar) on the right side on large
30-inch TFT displays. At lower zoom rations than 100%, it leaves too
much "blue" frame area on left and right sides between the actual page
and the window borders. It only works fine when magnification is
exactly 100% (not more, and not less).

Thus, in other words, what I am looking for is that the maximize button
(green on top left) should work the same at 100% zoom as at any other
lower or higher zoom rations.

And, as said, the good old Apple-Claris MacWrite Pro 1.5 did that years ago.

Thanks again.

---

Hi Tony,

I'm not sure how this would affect the window size, but it sounds like you
might want to find your perfect zoom, then record a macro of yourself
setting it and put that on a toolbar. It should look something like this:

Sub ZoomDesiredPercent
ActiveWindow.View.Zoom.Percentage = 105 (or your desired percentage)
End Sub

You *could* force Word to always have the same size doc window, or write a
macro to flip the window to a certain size, but it doesn't quite sound like
that is what you're after, although possibly a macro that sets the zoom and
the size would work.

The best way to ensure your feature request gets logged and considered is to
use the Send Feedback under Help, by the way. It would be nice to have a
feature that sized the window to the text, I do that manually a lot.
Actually, I should make myself a window size macro, because I do mostly want
it the same size. Thanks for the idea! (Not that I know how to write that
macro, will have to figure it out later...)

Dayo

On 8/16/04 4:41 PM, "Tony" wrote:

Dayo,

Thanks.

I have done it. Yet, when I click such "Zoom Page Width" icon on the
toolbar Word 2004 does right what showing all contents horizontally,
yet shrinks the document from 200% to 105% and I do not want it. I am
using a large 30-inch TFT Apple Cinema Display and I want to see large
fonts to read better.

I then I choose "200%" on the other Zoom icon tool, the document looks
fine vertically, but is truncated on the right side.

I must drag manually --and that is what I do not want to do-- the
bottom left corner of the window to expand the view to the right. As
said, the TFT is a large widescreen, so there is enough area.

Note that I do not want to stretch the document to take the full screen
horizontally, but only what is required to see all its contents
horizontally.

This should be possible for Microsoft programmers only if they wish.
This feature was available many years ago in MacWrite Pro 1.5 for Mac:
clicking on the expand icon of the window always expanded the document
to show all contents and only just to show hem (no more).

Thanks again.

---
On 2004-08-16 20:35:34 +0200, Dayo Mitchell
<[email protected]> said:

Hi Tony,

All the zoom commands are listed as ViewZoom[whatever]...so look in the
Vs...

The dialog's a nightmare to use, but the results are usually worth it.
Send
complaints straight to the developers via the Send Feedback menu under
Help,
if you want to...

DM

On 8/16/04 11:46 AM, "Tony" wrote:

Jim,

Thanks.

Selecting on the left "All commands" I cannot see any "Zoom" or
"ZoomPageWidth". The last command is "WW7_ToolsOptions".

---
PageWidth commandOn 2004-08-15 20:09:51 +0200, Jim Gordon MVP
<[email protected]> said:

Hi Tony,

I use the "Zoom Page Width" button.

To make this button available use Tools>Customize>Menus and Toolbars.
Click the Commands tab.
Locate the ZoomPageWidth command in the right side of the dialog box
and drag the command to any toolbar. Close the dialog box and you're
done.

-Jim

 

[Clive Huggan]

Thanks for your comprehensive description, Tony. Comments inline.

Clive

Clive,

Thanks.

I have tried it, yet it still requires manual dragging of the bottom
right window corner towards the right to expand more than the document
contents and then applying the other tricks. Then it works, but
precisely such manual dragging steps are the ones that I want to avoid
because they must be performed for each single Word file open that does
show this problem.

As previously said, other word processors do it
right with a single click.

And so does mine in Word and, I presume, those of other posters to this
thread. Therein lies the problem, eh?

Note that the problem also arises because I am using very large
widescreen TFT monitors (all Apple Cinema Displays 22, 23 and
30-inches).

I have a 17" Apple display, on which the Word doc expands to fill the whole
screen on first clicking the green Expand button. Thereafter it toggles
between the small size and the last manually changed size (except for where
there are toolbars). I've just called a friend who has a 22" screen and one
of her docs expanded likewise except for about 1.5 centimetres at the
right-hand side of the screen (no apparent explanation). Hers is a default
Word 2004 installation in OS 10.3.4. Presumably your 22" shows more space
than that unoccupied by the document?

This is what I did:

1 - Open a Word file with text on "View/Page Layout".

2 - Set Zoom to 200% (Toolbar Standard button). That truncates the
window on right and bottom sides.

3 - Click the top left green (expansion) button of the window. That
expands OK tom-bottom (vertically) and also to the left, but not to the
right (horizontally).

That's where our experience diverges.

Thus, contents on the right of the Word file are
not displayed (truncated), even though, as said, there is plenty of
screen area (widescreen) to the right.

Note also that I do not want the word document to take all the screen
horizontally all the times, but only what is required to show all
contents horizontally (which may or may not require the whole screen
horizontally).

I doubt if that is possible, given Word's behaviour that we all observe
(i.e., ignoring the particular idiosyncrasy on your computer).

I'm not sure, but someone here may be able to give you a macro that would
specify the size of the window. That could be followed by the zoom size
macro to which I pointed you.

4 - If then I click the custom-made button "Zoom Page Width" (as Dayo
explained before on this thread), then the problem is that instead of
doing what I want (explained above), Word 2004 shrinks to 102% and that
fits OK all contents to a window, but not at 200% zoom, which is what I
want. At such 102% magnification the characters are too small to read
them properly. I want just that effect but keeping at 200%
magnification. That simple!

Well, it's easy enough to have a, say, 200% button.

5 -If instead of step 4 above I click the custom-made button "One Page"
(as Dayo explained before on this thread), then the same issue
described in step 4 arises.

I wish Microsoft addresses this issue soon.

Tell them via your Help menu and they will hear.

Thanks again.

---

Tony,

The following should work while Microsoft beaver away to add the feature
that by now you'll undoubtedly have sent to them via the Help menu:

1. Hit the green Expand (?) button so the document occupies the whole
screen.

2. Hit one of the buttons on a toolbar you can make in a few minutes
showing an array of display magnifications.

3. If your first guess at the size doesn't work, hit another button.

4. If that doesn't work, zoom the view up/down, get the best size and add
that size to your toolbar.

Soon you will have a toolbar that has a magnification size for every
contingency.

For notes on how to make such buttons on a toolbar, each with its own macro,
download "Bend Word to Your Will" (free) from
http://www.word.mvps.org/FAQs/WordMac/Bend/BendWord.htm, then look in
Appendix E: Making buttons for formatting shortcuts, under the heading 'View
the document at 110 per cent'. (Once you have made the first button you only
have to manually change the magnification size to make the next button.)

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
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so my follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
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Dayo,

Many thanks for the feedback.

The problem here is that the percentage of zoom that I use is not
always the same. It is not always 200%, but depends on the actual file
and also on what I am doing with it. It could be lower or higher than
100% and variable for each file.

Just clicking once on the maximize button (green on top left) should do
the trick, yet, as said, it works fine vertically (fits OK) but
truncates contents (at 200% zoom or similar) on the right side on large
30-inch TFT displays. At lower zoom rations than 100%, it leaves too
much "blue" frame area on left and right sides between the actual page
and the window borders. It only works fine when magnification is
exactly 100% (not more, and not less).

Thus, in other words, what I am looking for is that the maximize button
(green on top left) should work the same at 100% zoom as at any other
lower or higher zoom rations.

And, as said, the good old Apple-Claris MacWrite Pro 1.5 did that years ago.

Thanks again.

---
On 2004-08-17 00:11:12 +0200, Dayo Mitchell
<[email protected]> said:

Hi Tony,

I'm not sure how this would affect the window size, but it sounds like you
might want to find your perfect zoom, then record a macro of yourself
setting it and put that on a toolbar. It should look something like this:

Sub ZoomDesiredPercent
ActiveWindow.View.Zoom.Percentage = 105 (or your desired percentage)
End Sub

You *could* force Word to always have the same size doc window, or write a
macro to flip the window to a certain size, but it doesn't quite sound like
that is what you're after, although possibly a macro that sets the zoom and
the size would work.

The best way to ensure your feature request gets logged and considered is
to
use the Send Feedback under Help, by the way. It would be nice to have a
feature that sized the window to the text, I do that manually a lot.
Actually, I should make myself a window size macro, because I do mostly
want
it the same size. Thanks for the idea! (Not that I know how to write that
macro, will have to figure it out later...)

Dayo

On 8/16/04 4:41 PM, "Tony" wrote:

Dayo,

Thanks.

I have done it. Yet, when I click such "Zoom Page Width" icon on the
toolbar Word 2004 does right what showing all contents horizontally,
yet shrinks the document from 200% to 105% and I do not want it. I am
using a large 30-inch TFT Apple Cinema Display and I want to see large
fonts to read better.

I then I choose "200%" on the other Zoom icon tool, the document looks
fine vertically, but is truncated on the right side.

I must drag manually --and that is what I do not want to do-- the
bottom left corner of the window to expand the view to the right. As
said, the TFT is a large widescreen, so there is enough area.

Note that I do not want to stretch the document to take the full screen
horizontally, but only what is required to see all its contents
horizontally.

This should be possible for Microsoft programmers only if they wish.
This feature was available many years ago in MacWrite Pro 1.5 for Mac:
clicking on the expand icon of the window always expanded the document
to show all contents and only just to show hem (no more).

Thanks again.

---
On 2004-08-16 20:35:34 +0200, Dayo Mitchell
<[email protected]> said:

Hi Tony,

All the zoom commands are listed as ViewZoom[whatever]...so look in the
Vs...

The dialog's a nightmare to use, but the results are usually worth it.
Send
complaints straight to the developers via the Send Feedback menu under
Help,
if you want to...

DM

On 8/16/04 11:46 AM, "Tony" wrote:

Jim,

Thanks.

Selecting on the left "All commands" I cannot see any "Zoom" or
"ZoomPageWidth". The last command is "WW7_ToolsOptions".

---
PageWidth commandOn 2004-08-15 20:09:51 +0200, Jim Gordon MVP
<[email protected]> said:

Hi Tony,

I use the "Zoom Page Width" button.

To make this button available use Tools>Customize>Menus and Toolbars.
Click the Commands tab.
Locate the ZoomPageWidth command in the right side of the dialog box
and drag the command to any toolbar. Close the dialog box and you're
done.

-Jim

 

[Tony]

Clive,

Thanks.

Word 2004 installation in OS 10.3.4. Presumably your 22" shows more space
than that unoccupied by the document?

Precisely so. At 200% zoom (usually after clicking the green expand
button on top left of all windows), Word 2004 either truncates the
right side of the document or expands to full screen horizontally
taking much more screen area horizontally than needed (blue left and
right bars between the actual page boundary and the window frame) to
show the document contents.

I just want one click and fit window to contents at the previously
specified zoom. And no zoom changing on that process. And if then I
change zoom, then that fitting process should automatically take place
again.

Even better: not even one click required. Opening any document (Word or
whatever; even imported from other suurces) should make Word 2004 to
automatically fit window to contents FOR THAT PARTICULAR MONITOR. And
if I change the zoom later on, again automatically make such adjustment.

Thus, always and automatically fit window to contents. AND NEVER CHANGE
THE ZOOM AUTOMATICALLY. LET THE USER DO IT.

No need for a macro or 200% button then.

That is possible, since other word processors do it (see my previous
posts). Only if Micrtosoft would implement it...

Thanks again,

 

[Clive Huggan]

Clive,

Thanks.


Precisely so. At 200% zoom (usually after clicking the green expand
button on top left of all windows), Word 2004 either truncates the
right side of the document or expands to full screen horizontally
taking much more screen area horizontally than needed (blue left and
right bars between the actual page boundary and the window frame) to
show the document contents.

I just want one click and fit window to contents at the previously
specified zoom. And no zoom changing on that process. And if then I
change zoom, then that fitting process should automatically take place
again.

Even better: not even one click required. Opening any document (Word or
whatever; even imported from other suurces) should make Word 2004 to
automatically fit window to contents FOR THAT PARTICULAR MONITOR. And
if I change the zoom later on, again automatically make such adjustment.

Thus, always and automatically fit window to contents. AND NEVER CHANGE
THE ZOOM AUTOMATICALLY. LET THE USER DO IT.

No need for a macro or 200% button then.
Understood.

That is possible, since other word processors do it (see my previous
posts).

That certainly had penetrated! ;-)

Only if Micrtosoft would implement it...

And I guess that means you have, or will, put in a suggestion via your Help
menu? I'm told MacBU staff members *do* look at every suggestion, and value
what they read in this newsgroup. But the chances of having it logged in are
probably higher by your going via the Help menu.

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
===================

 

[Tony]

Clive,

Thanks.

I have sent them the suggestion.

---

 

[Tony]

Hi,

Update: I have dound one nice application that you all have and that
does this window fitting great: Apple Preview 2.1.0 on Mac OS X 10.3.5.
Used to open PDF files instead of Acrobat.

Hopefully Microsoft will implement this useful feature in future
versions of Word for Mac OS X.

That is.

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