Font Mgmt

[Ed B]

I'm running Word 10.1.4 under Mac OS 10.2.6. When I use the Font menu
to select a font I'm presented with a gazillion choices. Truth be
told, I use the same half-dozen fonts over and over. How can I tell
Word (or the OS) that most of the time I don't want to wade thru a
list of 100 fonts to find the one I want? How do I tell Word (or the
OS) to use the fonts in my personal library of fonts? My computer is
set up as a single user machine - Sharing still resides in its
installed, unadulterated condition. The utility of a personal library
of fonts seems to be rapidly approaching zero.

 

[Mark]

Without some kind of third-paty font manager, a font is either installed or
it isn't, so you'll just have to shuffle them off to backup folders.

 

[Ramón G Castañeda]

I'm running Word 10.1.4 under Mac OS 10.2.6. When I use the Font menu
to select a font I'm presented with a gazillion choices. Truth be
told, I use the same half-dozen fonts over and over. How can I tell
Word (or the OS) that most of the time I don't want to wade thru a
list of 100 fonts to find the one I want? How do I tell Word (or the
OS) to use the fonts in my personal library of fonts? My computer is
set up as a single user machine - Sharing still resides in its
installed, unadulterated condition. The utility of a personal library
of fonts seems to be rapidly approaching zero.

You need font management software like Font Agent Pro (FAP), Suitcase 10 or
Font Reserve. FAP seems to have an edge over the other two.

 

[Jim Gordon]

Hi Ed,

If you can describe in words how you would like Word to work with fonts,
please send that to Microsoft using the Feedback feature on the Help menu.

If you want to test your ideas with others before you send feedback, this
newsgroup is the perfect place to post your ideas.

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[Jerry Krinock]

The problem is not in Word, this is in the Mac OS. Apple realized this and
provides some kind of feature which allows you to organize your fonts into
"Font Families". I'm not sure how it's done, because I haven't done it yet
(I need to, like you!)

Jerry Krinock
San Jose, CA USA

 

[rafael montserrat]

John,

Re your: "Remove from your font folders the fonts that you do not
use!"

Do the unused fonts have to be removed entirely from the computer and backed
up elsewhere, or do they simply need to be removed from the font folder in
the system folder and placed somewhere else on the computer?

Thanks, Rafael

 

[John McGhie [MVP]]

Hi Gerry:

Look at Ramon's answer. All fonts are in families. While it is a useful
property of fonts, it's not the answer to this question

What you need is font "collections", and to do that, you need a Font Manager
(other than OS X's built-in one, which is a cut-down of Adobe Type Manager,
I believe).

Now, Font Manager technology is a rather scary thing to attempt on an
unsuspecting computer. It sails very close to the "line that must not be
crossed if you want a stable, reliable computer."

So when you buy a font manager, please remember that the first law of
computing is that "you get what you pay for". The second law of computing
is "there is no such thing as 'almost' working." So pay whatever it takes
to get a highly-recommended font manager application from a large and old
software company that will still be around to help you when you have a
problem in five years time.

Or do what I do: Remove from your font folders the fonts that you do not
use! OS X has several (five or six if you run Classic) font folders. Any
fonts you move elsewhere are not installed after you reboot.

Without special (and dangerous) fiddling around, you cannot attack the
System's font folder. So just accept that everything you find in there is
good for you

Then remove every font you do not use from the other four folders. And
every font that is a copy or different version of one in the system folder.

After that, you won't NEED a font manager, so you won't have to run the
gauntlet of a Font Manager crashing things whenever your computer is working
hard. And you won't have to pay any money

Hope this helps

The problem is not in Word, this is in the Mac OS. Apple realized this and
provides some kind of feature which allows you to organize your fonts into
"Font Families". I'm not sure how it's done, because I haven't done it yet
(I need to, like you!)

Jerry Krinock
San Jose, CA USA

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[Jerry Krinock]

Look at Ramon's answer. All fonts are in families. While it is a useful
property of fonts, it's not the answer to this question

Sorry, I was thinking of using the Font Manager features (see pg 332-337 of
Mac OS X: The Missing Manual by David Pogue). However, the Font Manager is
only available in Cocoa applications; thus it is not available in Word and
your answer is better.

Jerry

 

[rafael montserrat]

Hi John,

OK. Thanks.

Rafael

From: "John McGhie [MVP]" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.mac.office.word
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 08:49:43 +1000
Subject: Re: Font Mgmt

Hi Rafael:

"Somewhere else on the computer" is ideal, PROVIDED the folder you choose is
NOT within any of the advertised Font Folders.

Cheers



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[John McGhie [MVP]]

Hi Rafael:

"Somewhere else on the computer" is ideal, PROVIDED the folder you choose is
NOT within any of the advertised Font Folders.

Cheers

John,

Re your: "Remove from your font folders the fonts that you do not
use!"

Do the unused fonts have to be removed entirely from the computer and backed
up elsewhere, or do they simply need to be removed from the font folder in
the system folder and placed somewhere else on the computer?

Thanks, Rafael

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[rafael montserrat]

Hi John,

I seem to have only one font folder and it is in the system folder.

I don't know what "'advertised' font folders" are.

As I understand it: If I only want Courier, Apple Chancery, and Fractions, I
would leave them in the existing Fonts folder in the System Folder. I would
then create a new folder, call it Unused Fonts, and store the rest of the
fonts there.

I don't know if I should leave the "Unused Fonts" folder in the system
folder, or move it somewhere else

Thanks, Rafael

 

[Beth Rosengard]

Hi Rafael,

You need to read about fonts in OS X so you understand where they are kept
and how the system uses them. See here:

<http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106417&sessionID=anonymous|2
5136641&kbhost=kbase.info.apple.com%3a80%2f>

You actually have five font folders and the one you DON'T want to touch is
the System font folder, so read the above article!

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[rafael montserrat]

Hi Beth,

Thanks. But I have OS 9.2.2. Does the same apply as it does to OS X?

I did a Sherlock 2 search on font folder, font etc ‹ both contents and file
names ‹ and didn't locate any font folders other than the one in system
folder.

I did find that my four styles of fraction fonts were in their folder in my
application folder. As a result, they don't show up in the system folder,
nor do they appear in the fonts drop down menus.

Rafael

 

[rafael montserrat]

Tim

You may be replying to me. But for clarity would you please maintain the
string?

Since Beth, referring to OS 10, emphasized not altering the system font
folder, I am not confident enough yet to mess with or alter the system font
folder.

Rafael

From: Tim Murray <[email protected]>
Reply-To: (e-mail address removed)
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.mac.office.word
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:10:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Font Mgmt

In OS9, unless you're using a third-party font manager, you will need to
store your fonts (the ones you want to use) in the System:Fonts folder. Fonts
in folders outside of that are ignored, other than some applications (like
some Adobe apps) that can use folders within the application's folder.

Newsgroups: microsoft.public.mac.office.word
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:27:36 +0000
Subject: Re: Font Mgmt

Hi Beth,

Thanks. But I have OS 9.2.2. Does the same apply as it does to OS X?

I did a Sherlock 2 search on font folder, font etc ‹ both contents and file
names ‹ and didn't locate any font folders other than the one in system
folder.

I did find that my four styles of fraction fonts were in their folder in my
application folder. As a result, they don't show up in the system folder,
nor do they appear in the fonts drop down menus.

Rafael

Hi Rafael,

You need to read about fonts in OS X so you understand where they are kept
and how the system uses them. See here:

<http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106417&sessionID=anonymous|2
5136641&kbhost=kbase.info.apple.com%3a80%2f>

You actually have five font folders and the one you DON'T want to touch is
the System font folder, so read the above article!

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[Tim Murray]

In OS9, unless you're using a third-party font manager, you will need to
store your fonts (the ones you want to use) in the System:Fonts folder. Fonts
in folders outside of that are ignored, other than some applications (like
some Adobe apps) that can use folders within the application's folder.

 

[Beth Rosengard]

Hi Rafael,

No, sorry. I guess you need to remind us every time you post exactly what
your OS and Office version numbers are. We answer so many posts that we
forget !

In OS 9, there is only one font folder and it is in the System folder, as
Tim said. It is fine to go ahead and move fonts from that folder to another
for storage. Certain fonts are required by the System, however, and you
won't be able to remove them. I suspect you'll get a dialog box to that
effect. You'll just have to live with them even though you probably don't
use most or all of them.

By the way, your replies are showing up *before* the posts you're replying
to. Would you please check to see that your computer's clock is set
correctly. You do this in Apple menu> Control Panels> Date & Time.

Hope this helps.

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[rafael montserrat]

Rafael Montserrat OS 9.2.2 Word 98

Hi Beth

The computer clock: I was set an hour ahead. I set it back. Here in San
Francisco, I have 11:18 AM Oct 11.

The settings, and I left it this way,: U.S. 12 hour, Noon & Midnight:
12:00. In the samples box (arbitrary figures) 12:34 AM 4:56 PM.
Daylight Savings time set automatically. San Francisco.

Does that set up this reply above the post?

Don't understand:
Noon & Midnight Setting 0:00 Sample: 0.34 AM ‹ this I don't understand, and
probably don't have to. "What time is it?" "34 minutes AM" "Thank you."

Thanks for the stuff about fonts. Thanks Tim.

Also, about my w98 problem. I'm systematically working back through your and
Dayo's abundant information and at your "My next suggestion would be to test
your Normal Template and Word Settings files as follows..." I may have fixed
the problem. I have to run the program some to see.

Best,

Rafael

 

[Beth Rosengard]

Hi Rafael,

Well, you made a change all right and now you've got the reverse problem;
your posts are showing up about 12 hours later than you sent them. I
suspect that you now have an incorrect AM/PM setting.

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[rafael montserrat]

Hi Beth,

Right.

It was on PM ... this morning.

Rafael

 

[Gene van Troyer]

On 10/14/03 4:06 AM, in article BBB0379E.4217%[email protected], "rafael

If you have OSX and Classic installed, you have Fonts folders in the
following places:

Library
Users/[youraccount]/Library
Classic System
OSX System

Never, ever mess with anything in the OSX System Folder unless you are very
sure of what you are doing. OSX is a wonderfully stable OS, but it is very
touchy about the OSX System files.

For all other font folders, you can add or delete at will. If you are
running only one user account in OSX, you can completely empty the
Library/Fonts Folder. Just create a new folder called Fonts (Disabled) and
move all of those fonts into the disabled folder.

You can do the same in Users/[youraccount]/Library/Fonts. Move all of the
fonts you don't want to use into a disabled folder.

Do the same in the Classic System.

That's it. If you ever need those other fonts, you can restore them by just
moving them back to the active Fonts folders.

NB: Many of the fonts in the Library/Fonts folder are localization fonts
that you need for working with other languages. Once you move them out of
the fonts folders, you won't have access, and any files you receive (like
e-mail) that uses a non-Roman alphabet language will no longer be able to
display those characters.

Gene van Troyer