Fonts

[Kdesigns]

I use 3 OTF fonts throughout several documents and they don¹t show up in
MSWord, what¹s up with this?
Kathy

 

[Elliott Roper]

I use 3 OTF fonts throughout several documents and they don¹t show up in
MSWord, what¹s up with this?
Kathy

OTF works well for me.
Are you on Office 2004?

 

[Kdesigns]

Yes, and using Font Book to enable my fonts.

OTF works well for me.
Are you on Office 2004?

 

[Elliott Roper]

Yes, and using Font Book to enable my fonts.

OK.
Do you mean they get substituted for something boring like TNR, or
there is just acres of white space?

Which fonts. I have a few here. We could compare notes.

Do check there is no hidden text attribute on the paragraphs.

Anything else funny like text boxes?

Does it happen on all documents?

Are the fonts in your user library or in library, or in another usesr's
library?

You can tell I'm clutching at straws here.

 

[Kdesigns]

They don¹t show up in my font menu to even choose them. I am the only user
and they fonts are present in All Fonts and opened. They show up in all my
other apps, just not Word.

 

[Elliott Roper]

They don¹t show up in my font menu to even choose them. I am the only user
and they fonts are present in All Fonts and opened. They show up in all my
other apps, just not Word.

In that case, try deleting Word's font cache while no Office program is
running.

It should be in ~/Library/Preferences/Microsoft/Office Font Cache (11)

 

[Kdesigns]

Nope, still nothing. These are Adobe OTF Futura, Frutiger and Ocean. None of
these are showing in my font menu within Word.

Thanks for your help!

 

[Kdesigns]

No, this didn¹t work either. I just don¹t understand this. I see the other
fonts that are in that same folder but not these 3.

 

[Elliott Roper]

No, this didn¹t work either. I just don¹t understand this. I see the other
fonts that are in that same folder but not these 3.

Hmm. I was a *very* naughty boy. In the interest of science only -- of
course -- you understand, I dipped into the festering underbelly of the
internet and briefly (ahem) borrowed (cough)...
Frutiger LT Std
Futura Std
and Ocean Sans Std

All three come up in Word after I install the fonts via Font Book and
restart Word.

I don't know what to suggest next. By using a different user, and
getting no improvement, you have proved it is not the Office Font Cache
(11), since each user gets a different copy.

I honestly don't know if it makes any difference, and it probably
won't, since other applications can see those fonts, but you might try
clearing the system font cache with Font Finagler.

ps Isn't Ocean elegant? I might have to buy that! (The others I already
knew and loved, but not in OTF variants)

 

[Kdesigns]

Ocean is a nice font. I am a fontaholic but didn¹t own this one until a new
client uses it in their materials.
I know this has me baffled too. I can¹t imagine why it shows up in
everything but Word. Never used Font Finagler, how and what does it do?

 

[Elliott Roper]

Ocean is a nice font. I am a fontaholic but didn¹t own this one until a new
client uses it in their materials.
I know this has me baffled too. I can¹t imagine why it shows up in
everything but Word. Never used Font Finagler, how and what does it do?

It does one job well. It clears the system font cache. (You can do it
by saying magic spells on the terminal, but Font Finagler is a 1-click
magic to do the same thing. You get 10 runs before it asks for money,
and then only a tiny amount. I think I have 7 runs left after three
years!) Look for it on versiontracker.com

You must be at your wits end on this. Sorry I ended up being no help at
all.

As a last desperate resort, I'd try deleting and re-installing the
fonts, making sure there were no copies in any of the font folders.
You just *know* it will be no use, but it might temporarily limit hair
loss.

If you do find out how to fix it, be sure to post back. It has become a
saga by now.

 

[John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]]

Have you rebooted?

Office constructs its font cache from the system font cache. The system
rebuilds its font cache on startup.

Also: Are they ³not shown² in Word¹s menu, or ³Out of sequence²? Word
sometimes gets fonts out of sequence.

Sorry: I have no idea either.

Cheers

Ocean is a nice font. I am a fontaholic but didn¹t own this one until a new
client uses it in their materials.
I know this has me baffled too. I can¹t imagine why it shows up in everything
but Word. Never used Font Finagler, how and what does it do?

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[Kdesigns]

Yes, I¹ve rebooted, repaired permissions, trashed the cashes. I¹ve looked
through the entire font menu and they are no where to be found.

I need those fonts to use in Word and I am a total loss. In the fonts folder
there they sit along with all the other fonts that show up in Word but those
3 don¹t.

Thanks!

 

[sarahc]

You might try disabling a bunch of your fonts in Font Book that you
aren't using.

I recently discovered that Word has a problem recognizing too many
fonts in Font Book. It actually wouldn't let me open Word. It would
"unexepectedly close" when I tried to open it. I finally narrowed the
problem down to fonts, and discovered that if I disabled a large chunk
of the fonts I wasn't using, it would let me open. Maybe this is
something simlar.

Go to Font Book, disable a bunch of the fonts you aren't using, restart
your computer, try reopening Word and see if they show up.

I haven't run into this problem, but, hey, it's worth a shot.

 

[John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]]

How MANY fonts are we talking about here?? Word should be fine with 800-odd
fonts installed, provided that you have enough memory.

It does pay to do a power-off restart when you get font problems: that
forces the OS to rebuild its font cache, from which Microsoft Word rebuilds
its own font cache.

Cheers

You might try disabling a bunch of your fonts in Font Book that you
aren't using.

I recently discovered that Word has a problem recognizing too many
fonts in Font Book. It actually wouldn't let me open Word. It would
"unexepectedly close" when I tried to open it. I finally narrowed the
problem down to fonts, and discovered that if I disabled a large chunk
of the fonts I wasn't using, it would let me open. Maybe this is
something simlar.

Go to Font Book, disable a bunch of the fonts you aren't using, restart
your computer, try reopening Word and see if they show up.

I haven't run into this problem, but, hey, it's worth a shot.

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[Kdesigns]

I disabled many fonts and Word did not recognize that I had turned them off.
I then physically dragged them out of the folders and still Word did not
recognize this. I trashed the caches with no success and then installed
FontExplorer that finally resolved the issue. I had much less than 500 fonts
active to begin with.

 

[John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]]

Hi Kathy:

Yeah. It's very likely nothing will change unless you do a power-off reboot
after playing with fonts.

Damned persistent Font Caches... They supposedly give us better
performance. In practice, we have dreadful performance in Word anyway, and
the caches keep stuff hanging around that breaks the operation of many font
managers.

I do wish software architects (particularly those developing object-oriented
software like Word) would give some consideration to the "non-functional"
aspects. Such as speed and usability.

We're way past the era where if it works at all it's a miracle. To be
successful these days, software must also work *well*, be quick to use as
well as fast, and be simple to maintain (ideally, to require no maintenance
at all).

Grrrrrrrr.....

I disabled many fonts and Word did not recognize that I had turned them off. I
then physically dragged them out of the folders and still Word did not
recognize this. I trashed the caches with no success and then installed
FontExplorer that finally resolved the issue. I had much less than 500 fonts
active to begin with.

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[Beth Rosengard]

Chances are you have a corrupt font (or two). When you disabled that "large
chunk", it included the corrupt font. That's why the problem *appeared* to
be a matter of too many fonts ­ which probably had nothing to do with it.

If you want to identify and delete the corrupt font(s), come back here for
more help.

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