FP looks fine with IE but very bad in Mozilla Firefox

[daysuz]

I started using Firefox because it loads better with my conection. My web
site works fin with IE (all pic's look good and dropdown boxes work) but they
don't work with Firefox. I'm not sure if they work with Navigator or not.
What am I missing?

 

[Mike Mueller]

:I started using Firefox because it loads better with my
conection. My web
: site works fin with IE (all pic's look good and dropdown
boxes work) but they
: don't work with Firefox. I'm not sure if they work with
Navigator or not.
: What am I missing?

Well, the first thing you are missing is a URL so that we
can look at the page to see exactly what is going on.

 

[daysuz]

I started using Firefox because it loads better with my conection. My web
site works fin with IE (all pic's look good and dropdown boxes work) but they
don't work with Firefox. I'm not sure if they work with Navigator or not.
What am I missing?

OH, I'm sorry
http://www.dandscandles.com/

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

You have used VML Graphics (text boxes, shapes, etc.), the drawing toolbar, these items are only
viewable to user under IE running on Windows.

You will need to remove all VML Graphics!
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[daysuz]

Thanks. I was short on time when I first made the site. I guess I can learn
the correct way now.

 

[propilotguide]

I have the same problem with my site as well. When I view it using Mozilla
Firefox, the formatting is a mess, but fine with IE! www.propilotguide.com

 

[Trevor L.]

I have the same problem with my site as well. When I view it using
Mozilla Firefox, the formatting is a mess, but fine with IE!
www.propilotguide.com

Yep, FF gives very odd results

I am no expert but it looks like the use of VML Graphics is the problem

 

[propilotguide]

I just realized that my template that I bought has been part of the problem.
The other problem I am having is the white background behind the text is not
showing in Mozilla Firefox, and neither is my advertising with AdBrite. Does
anyone know how to make the white rectangular shaped box behind my text show
up in Firefox, and I noticed that private2atp.com is able to use adbrite when
viewing it with Firefox, but I am not.

 

[Murray]

Here's a good rule of thumb.

If the page looks fine in IE, but is dog's barf in any other browser, it's
almost ALWAYS because you have used some IE-proprietary markup. Hie thee
over to the W3 validator, and validate the page -

http://validator.w3.org

That'll give you a good start on figuring out what might be the problem.

 

[daysuz]

OK, I can see now I'm going to have to do a bunch of reading in order to fix
my site. Good thing I'm off all summer.

 

[Murray]

Learning more about HTML and CSS is never a bad idea.... 8)

 

[Dennis D.]

Murray hello:

I am using FP 2003 on a hosted server (not my own).

Murray, how do you handle cross browser compatibility generally?
Do you use FrontPage exclusively to code your websites, or other tools as
well?

My experience has been that if I need validation I wouldn't use FrontPage.
Validation through W3C would break most of the FrontPage code I find most
useful, like link maintenance, and navigation. To me it has been a toss up
as to whether it is easier to write valid (W3C) code from scratch on
Notepad, or to correct FrontPage native HTML. Problem is that most other
tools are equally proprietary. Netscape probably less so, but I think NS
Sxxxx.

So what is the current wisdom about the proper coding tools to create a
great interactive website? I weathered the great browser wars, so probably
the thinking has changed since then. Any pointers? Use Flash at all for fast
graphics?

Thanks,
Dennis D.,
http://www.dennisys.com/

 

[Murray]

Murray, how do you handle cross browser compatibility generally?

I code to standards as much as I can. This means I don't use anything
within the HTML authoring system I am using that I know produces
non-standard markup, or markup that may be browser proprietary. For
example, I do not use WordArt or VMI effects, and I don't use hover buttons.
I do not use FP primarily - I much prefer the EWD betas that have been
released in the last several months, for their clean interface and pure
standards compliant methods.

But - one can produce completely standards compliant pages with FP - it's
more a process of training onesself to do so, than it is anything else. The
real truth here is that the more you know about HTML and CSS, the more
'HTML-system agnostic' your pages will become.

Validation through W3C would break most of the FrontPage code I find most
useful, like link maintenance, and navigation.

I'm really not sure what you are describing here.

as to whether it is easier to write valid (W3C) code from scratch on
Notepad, or to correct FrontPage native HTML.

An authoring system is definitely faster and easier, but to take the
approach of writing it first and correcting it later is looking through the
wrong end of the telescope, in my opinion.

So what is the current wisdom about the proper coding tools to create a
great interactive website?

Without a doubt, the proper tool to use is your brain. 8)

Use Flash at all for fast graphics?

<BARF> 8)

Definitely not. There are places where Flash is useful, but this, in my
opinion, is not one of them.

 

[Dennis D.]

Thanks Murray for the response:

I'm really not sure what you are describing here.

Bot code is not compliant.

An authoring system is definitely faster and easier, but to take the
approach of writing it first and correcting it later is looking through
the wrong end of the telescope, in my opinion.

But - one can produce completely standards compliant pages with FP - it's
more a process of training onesself to do so, than it is anything else.
The real truth here is that the more you know about HTML and CSS, the more
'HTML-system agnostic' your pages will become.

You nailed it. It's a matter of staying with the product and maintaining
expertise gained in the learning curve. The technologies are still changing
fast, and people are developing methods that make 'interesting, interactive,
and productive (2IP)' possible and compliant.

I have yet to try EWD Beta. Be getting into it this week hopefully.
Standards compliant tools would be good if they don't cost an arm and a leg.

Thanks again Murray,

D.,
http://www.dennisys.com/

 

[Murray]

Bot code is not compliant.

Mostly it is, since it's all within HTML comments. Of course, if you are
concerned about that, then just don't use bots. 8)