Frames page with one scroll bar

[Robert]

I'm using FP2003. I am using frames, which helps me keep a standard header
and controls at the top, and different pages appear below. My header is
fixed height -thus no scroll bar in that frame. The lower frame is not fixed
height, so it scrolls if needed.

When displayed, the page has a scroll bar for just the bottom section, and
the header does not move. Is there a way, while using the frames, to have
just one overall scroll bar for the whole page, like websites usually do?

Thanks, Robert.

 

[Murray]

Is there a way, while using the frames, to have

just one overall scroll bar for the whole page, like websites usually do?

No. The solution would be to not use frames.

By the way, the reason for using or not using frames should be based on a)
your site's needs, and b) your willingness to accept the potential problems
that frames can create for you as developer and maintainer of the site and
for your visitors as casual users of the site.

I am down on frames because I believe that they create many more problems
than they solve.
Judging from the posts here, and the kinds of problems that are described,
the kind of person most likely to elect to use frames is also the kind of
person most likely ill-prepared fo solve the ensuing problems when they
arise. If you feel a) that you understand the problems and b) that you are
prepared to handle them when they occur, and c) that you have a need to use
frames, then by all means use them.

As far as I know, the most comprehensive discussions of frames and their
potential problems can be found on these two links -

http://apptools.com/rants/framesevil.php
http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/frames/

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

No. Each frame is independent of other frames.

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[Robert]

OK. Thank you. So what approach should I use when I want to have a standard
set of controls (buttons) at the top of each page? Each button will take me
to a different page, but the set of buttons at the top should always be the
same.

If there are 5 buttons, I don't want to put the buttons on top of 5 pages,
in case I want to change something on one of them.
Thank you.

 

[Robert]

Thank you. Clearly I don't want frames. See my reply to Thomas below.
Perhaps you can point me in the right direction.

 

[Murray]

Use a Template for your pages, or a server-side include for your navigation
element. One change to either the template file or the include file will
propagate to all linked pages. FP's Help has plenty of info on both.

Retrofitting your site with includes will be simple. Doing it with
Templates will be a bit more work, but is still pretty simple....

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

FP Include Page or optional use a Dynamic Web Template if using FP2003

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[Robert]

Thank you. I'll give it a try.

Use a Template for your pages, or a server-side include for your navigation
element. One change to either the template file or the include file will
propagate to all linked pages. FP's Help has plenty of info on both.

Retrofitting your site with includes will be simple. Doing it with
Templates will be a bit more work, but is still pretty simple....

 

[Robert]

Thank you. I'll give it a try.

FP Include Page or optional use a Dynamic Web Template if using FP2003

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Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
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[Murray]

You're welcome!

 

[Andrew Murray]

No, you can't "scroll the frameset" so to speak. Build the site without
frames, and use include component or shared borders for the common content
such as menus and headings, or use Dynamic Web Templates.