Frontpage 2000 publishing error & time outs

V

vintage

using Frontpage 2000. website url www.gasolinealleyantiques.com if I
make a few changes and republish, get time out message; server not
found; server unexpectedly closed, etc. etc. etc. downloaded FP
Cleaner. no improvement. this has been going on for almost a year,
and getting worse. web host said my problem. finally, they said
problem with server, switching to Plesk. tried it today with new
server, same problems. my website is large, we make changes on the
main web and the sub webs almost daily. what used to be a few minute
job, can now take an hour each time. have DSL access. thinking of
redoing website in Expression Web or Dreamweaver, but will be a
monster task converting. do not want to start any new projects if
this can be fixed. any help or suggestions? 1) does this sound like
a glitch on my end or the server; 2) any possibly remedies; 3) do not
have many bells or whistles on site, just lots of simple text and
photos - leave it as is, got to Expression Web, or Dreamweaver?? any
help or suggestions? thanks! Keith
 
R

Ronx

Upgrading to Expression Web will not make much of a difference. It
sounds like your server is too busy for your site while using FrontPage
extensions. Removing the extensions will make a difference - but you
not be able to edit live as it sounds like you are now.

If your home page is typical of your other pages then you will have very
few problems using Expression Web (EW). Make a back up of the site
(always a good thing) then open it in Expression Web - converted. There
will be a few things that need changing, but there is no need to rush
into it.

When you upgrade I would change the shared borders to a Dynamic Web
Template (available in FP2003 and EW) - this may ease the load on the
server when updating or publishing. This can be done one page at a time
- again, no need to change everything all at once.

How large are the root web and subwebs? One possible cause of your
symptoms is the size of the individual webs that make up your site is
too large for the server hardware, network and/or your own PC. You may
need to split the web into even more subwebs. Each subweb is treated as
an individual website by the FrontPage extensions, so the server is able
to handle lots of small subwebs better than a few large webs.

Also, download FP Cleaner from
http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/fpclean.htm and run the routines that
delete the hidden web cache files and temporary files. This may make a
difference.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/




"(e-mail address removed)" <[email protected]>
wrote in message
 
V

vintage

Upgrading to Expression Web will not make much of a difference. It
sounds like your server is too busy for your site while using FrontPage
extensions. Removing the extensions will make a difference - but you
not be able to edit live as it sounds like you are now.

If your home page is typical of your other pages then you will have very
few problems using Expression Web (EW). Make a back up of the site
(always a good thing) then open it in Expression Web - converted. There
will be a few things that need changing, but there is no need to rush
into it.

When you upgrade I would change the shared borders to a Dynamic Web
Template (available in FP2003 and EW) - this may ease the load on the
server when updating or publishing. This can be done one page at a time
- again, no need to change everything all at once.

How large are the root web and subwebs? One possible cause of your
symptoms is the size of the individual webs that make up your site is
too large for the server hardware, network and/or your own PC. You may
need to split the web into even more subwebs. Each subweb is treated as
an individual website by the FrontPage extensions, so the server is able
to handle lots of small subwebs better than a few large webs.

Also, download FP Cleaner fromhttp://www.95isalive.com/fixes/fpclean.htmand run the routines that
delete the hidden web cache files and temporary files. This may make a
difference.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/

Thank you for you input. as stated, used FP Cleaner - no
improvement. root web is 274,535KB; sub webs are respectively (KB):
59504; 89422; 89683; 185043; 117807; and 177984. have had trouble
uploading each and every one of the subwebs. my front page is one of
the fanciest, all others are quick and simple, some on the KIT subweb
are in TABLE format. Host says not their problem. am leaning toward
getting Expression Web and slowly switching as you have also
suggested. (or, would it be best to upgrade to Frontpage 2003 - work
out the bugs and THEN switch to Expression Web??) BUT, do not want to
start a new process, until after I figure out if I need to switch web
hosts or not. have been with needa.com for 10 years, and everything
was great in the past. do you feel the problem is on the server side,
or possibly a glitch in my program (as my host says) or what? further
comments appreciated. thank you. Keith
 
R

Ronx

Switching to another version of FrontPage or to EW will not make any
difference. In my opinion you have some very large webs, which may have
to be split even further than you have. The largest size does depend on
the network conditions and the hardware involved. The issue is not such
the size of the web in bytes (though this does come into the equation),
as the number of files and links within the web.

Although my replies are related to publishing, the same principles apply
to live editing.

I once (1999) had similar problems with a website that totalled 2Mbytes,
including images etc. Splitting this into 5 (400K each) subwebs enabled
publishing at 5am on Sunday mornings when the world was asleep.
Upgrading the server cured all problems.

One way to check whether the problem lies at the server, and to
establish a limit to the size of a web, is to create a new subweb and
publish/edit it. Start with low content (say 25,000KB) and build up
until problems occur. The content can be copied from an existing web.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/




"(e-mail address removed)" <[email protected]>
wrote in message
 
V

vintage

Switching to another version of FrontPage or to EW will not make any
difference. In my opinion you have some very large webs, which may have
to be split even further than you have. The largest size does depend on
the network conditions and the hardware involved. The issue is not such
the size of the web in bytes (though this does come into the equation),
as the number of files and links within the web.

Although my replies are related to publishing, the same principles apply
to live editing.

I once (1999) had similar problems with a website that totalled 2Mbytes,
including images etc. Splitting this into 5 (400K each) subwebs enabled
publishing at 5am on Sunday mornings when the world was asleep.
Upgrading the server cured all problems.

One way to check whether the problem lies at the server, and to
establish a limit to the size of a web, is to create a new subweb and
publish/edit it. Start with low content (say 25,000KB) and build up
until problems occur. The content can be copied from an existing web.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/

Thank you very much for your comments and input. much appreciated.
best, Keith
 
V

vintage

Thank you very much for your comments and input. much appreciated.
best, Keith

Hope you are still monitoring this thread. need additional input. is
it okay to create subwebs within subwebs or should they all be
directly under the root web?? it would be more advantageous to me if
I can create the subwebs within the subwebs. I hope this question
makes sense? thanks again, Keith
 
V

vintage

great! Merci beaucoup!

Hope you are still there. started small, created a subweb within a
web. I have no spent the last 5 hours trying to publish it. it
uploads about 20 to 40 photos and then server times out. sometimes I
have to retry three to 4 times, before I can reconnect to server, then
it times out within seconds. I have a DSL connection. sounds awful
fishy to me. again, am I hitting my head against the wall. sure
seems like a server problem??? Keith
 
S

Stefan B Rusynko

Some hosts have the default max file size set to 1 MB
- also make sure you do not have any thumbs.db files in your local site

--

_____________________________________________
SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
"Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
_____________________________________________


| On Jul 30, 12:10 pm, (e-mail address removed) wrote:
| >
| >
| >
| > > You can make subwebs within subwebs within folders within subwebs ....
| > > I have them 3 levels deep.
| > > --
| > > Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
| > > Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
| >
| > >http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp
| >
| > > FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
| >
| > > "(e-mail address removed)" <[email protected]>
| > > wrote in message| >
| > > > On Jul 30, 9:22 am, (e-mail address removed) wrote:
| >
| > > > > > Switching to another version of FrontPage or to EW will not make any
| > > > > > difference. In my opinion you have some very large webs, which may have
| > > > > > to be split even further than you have. The largest size does depend on
| > > > > > the network conditions and the hardware involved. The issue is not such
| > > > > > the size of the web in bytes (though this does come into the equation),
| > > > > > as the number of files and links within the web.
| >
| > > > > > Although my replies are related to publishing, the same principles apply
| > > > > > to live editing.
| >
| > > > > > I once (1999) had similar problems with a website that totalled 2Mbytes,
| > > > > > including images etc. Splitting this into 5 (400K each) subwebs enabled
| > > > > > publishing at 5am on Sunday mornings when the world was asleep.
| > > > > > Upgrading the server cured all problems.
| >
| > > > > > One way to check whether the problem lies at the server, and to
| > > > > > establish a limit to the size of a web, is to create a new subweb and
| > > > > > publish/edit it. Start with low content (say 25,000KB) and build up
| > > > > > until problems occur. The content can be copied from an existing web.
| > > > > > --
| > > > > > Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
| > > > > > Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
| >
| > > > > >http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp
| >
| > > > > > FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
| >
| > > > > > "(e-mail address removed)" <[email protected]>
| > > > > > wrote in message| >
| > > > > > > > Upgrading to Expression Web will not make much of a difference. It
| > > > > > > > sounds like your server is too busy for your site while using FrontPage
| > > > > > > > extensions. Removing the extensions will make a difference - but you
| > > > > > > > not be able to edit live as it sounds like you are now.
| >
| > > > > > > > If your home page is typical of your other pages then you will have very
| > > > > > > > few problems using Expression Web (EW). Make a back up of the site
| > > > > > > > (always a good thing) then open it in Expression Web - converted. There
| > > > > > > > will be a few things that need changing, but there is no need to rush
| > > > > > > > into it.
| >
| > > > > > > > When you upgrade I would change the shared borders to a Dynamic Web
| > > > > > > > Template (available in FP2003 and EW) - this may ease the load on the
| > > > > > > > server when updating or publishing. This can be done one page at a time
| > > > > > > > - again, no need to change everything all at once.
| >
| > > > > > > > How large are the root web and subwebs? One possible cause of your
| > > > > > > > symptoms is the size of the individual webs that make up your site is
| > > > > > > > too large for the server hardware, network and/or your own PC. You may
| > > > > > > > need to split the web into even more subwebs. Each subweb is treated as
| > > > > > > > an individual website by the FrontPage extensions, so the server is able
| > > > > > > > to handle lots of small subwebs better than a few large webs.
| >
| > > > > > > > Also, download FP Cleaner fromhttp://www.95isalive.com/fixes/fpclean.htmandruntheroutinesthat
| > > > > > > > delete the hidden web cache files and temporary files. This may make a
| > > > > > > > difference.
| > > > > > > > --
| > > > > > > > Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
| > > > > > > > Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
| >
| > > > > > > >http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp
| >
| > > > > > > > FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
| >
| > > > > > > > "(e-mail address removed)" <[email protected]>
| > > > > > > > wrote in message| >
| > > > > > > > > using Frontpage 2000. website urlwww.gasolinealleyantiques.comifI
| > > > > > > > > make a few changes and republish, get time out message; server not
| > > > > > > > > found; server unexpectedly closed, etc. etc. etc. downloaded FP
| > > > > > > > > Cleaner. no improvement. this has been going on for almost a year,
| > > > > > > > > and getting worse. web host said my problem. finally, they said
| > > > > > > > > problem with server, switching to Plesk. tried it today with new
| > > > > > > > > server, same problems. my website is large, we make changes on the
| > > > > > > > > main web and the sub webs almost daily. what used to be a few minute
| > > > > > > > > job, can now take an hour each time. have DSL access. thinking of
| > > > > > > > > redoing website in Expression Web or Dreamweaver, but will be a
| > > > > > > > > monster task converting. do not want to start any new projects if
| > > > > > > > > this can be fixed. any help or suggestions? 1) does this sound like
| > > > > > > > > a glitch on my end or the server; 2) any possibly remedies; 3) do not
| > > > > > > > > have many bells or whistles on site, just lots of simple text and
| > > > > > > > > photos - leave it as is, got to Expression Web, or Dreamweaver?? any
| > > > > > > > > help or suggestions? thanks! Keith
| >
| > > > > > > Thank you for you input. as stated, used FP Cleaner - no
| > > > > > > improvement. root web is 274,535KB; sub webs are respectively (KB):
| > > > > > > 59504; 89422; 89683; 185043; 117807; and 177984. have had trouble
| > > > > > > uploading each and every one of the subwebs. my front page is one of
| > > > > > > the fanciest, all others are quick and simple, some on the KIT subweb
| > > > > > > are in TABLE format. Host says not their problem. am leaning toward
| > > > > > > getting Expression Web and slowly switching as you have also
| > > > > > > suggested. (or, would it be best to upgrade to Frontpage 2003 - work
| > > > > > > out the bugs and THEN switch to Expression Web??) BUT, do not want to
| > > > > > > start a new process, until after I figure out if I need to switch web
| > > > > > > hosts or not. have been with needa.com for 10 years, and everything
| > > > > > > was great in the past. do you feel the problem is on the server side,
| > > > > > > or possibly a glitch in my program (as my host says) or what? further
| > > > > > > comments appreciated. thank you. Keith
| >
| > > > > Thank you very much for your comments and input. much appreciated.
| > > > > best, Keith
| >
| > > > Hope you are still monitoring this thread. need additional input. is
| > > > it okay to create subwebs within subwebs or should they all be
| > > > directly under the root web?? it would be more advantageous to me if
| > > > I can create the subwebs within the subwebs. I hope this question
| > > > makes sense? thanks again, Keith
| >
| > great! Merci beaucoup!
|
| Hope you are still there. started small, created a subweb within a
| web. I have no spent the last 5 hours trying to publish it. it
| uploads about 20 to 40 photos and then server times out. sometimes I
| have to retry three to 4 times, before I can reconnect to server, then
| it times out within seconds. I have a DSL connection. sounds awful
| fishy to me. again, am I hitting my head against the wall. sure
| seems like a server problem??? Keith
|
 

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