Frontpage for Professional Design?

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spatience

Hi there,

Just wondered if you could answer a couple of questions for me. Do any
professional web designers use frontpage or is it just a tool intended
for personal use to create your own site? I have read so many articles
that seem to write off frontpage as being a bit useless, but I
personally think it is a great tool. (Have only been using it for
about 4 weeks, but so far so good!) What do you all think on this?

Cheers,

Sarah
 
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array

spatience said:
*Hi there,

Just wondered if you could answer a couple of questions for me. Do
any professional web designers use frontpage or is it just a tool
intended for personal use to create your own site? I have read so
many articles that seem to write off frontpage as being a bit
useless, but I personally think it is a great tool. (Have only been
using it for about 4 weeks, but so far so good!) What do you all
think on this?

Cheers,

Sarah *

Hi Sarah, This is my 1st day as a member of this forum and believe it
or not I did a search for the same question you posted.

What I read from a book is that Front Page limits you in what you can
do. I have some background in Assembly, C, and C++ and I would prefer
to write out the code myself. As I am new to HTML I would say that
regardless of whether or not Front Page is appropriate for professional
use it would still be a good idea to learn how to write it out yourself.
For example in Front Page all you have to do is click on the font and
background colors you want but when you code it yourself you use
hexadecimal numbers. ie:

Black #000000
White #FFFFFF
Maroon #800000

The Hexadecimal number system works like this.


0 = 0
1 = 1
2 = 2
3 = 3
4 = 4
5 = 5
6 = 6
7 = 7
8 = 8
9 = 9

After 9 the letters A to F are used.

A = 10
B = 11
C = 12
D = 13
E = 14
F = 15

After F it works this way:

10 = 16
11 = 17

and on from there.

1E = 30

I still suggest learning to do write your web pages without wizards. I
hope this helps a little.

array
 
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Steve Easton

There are many professionals who use FrontPage to design and manage web sites.

--
Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
95isalive
This site is best viewed............
........................with a computer
 
S

Steve Easton

Limits you in what way??
I have yet to find any limits, it's more an issue of learning how to use all of it's features.

jmho


You can also use common color names and rgb values in html.


--
Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
95isalive
This site is best viewed............
........................with a computer
 
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Murray

It's not the tool, it's the operator.

FP's UI is geared to the new user and those unfamiliar with HTML. Once you
get beyond there, there would be no limitations, really, as to what you can
and cannot do.

I'd guess that most of the "professionals" do quite a large percentage of
their work in code view (although still in FP), thereby bypassing the UI
pretty much altogether.
 
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David Rance

It's not the tool, it's the operator.

FP's UI is geared to the new user and those unfamiliar with HTML. Once you
get beyond there, there would be no limitations, really, as to what you can
and cannot do.

I'd guess that most of the "professionals" do quite a large percentage of
their work in code view (although still in FP), thereby bypassing the UI
pretty much altogether.

I've been using FrontPage since Christmas and I would pretty much agree
with that. To do anything other that straightforward content I use code
view.

David
 
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array

David said:
I've been using FrontPage since Christmas and I would pretty much
agree
with that. To do anything other that straightforward content I use
code
view.

David

Hi all,

Thanks for your answers

About FrontPage limiting a person as to what they could do, I was
repeating what the author of my book said. Personally I like the
program.

I'm a newbie having only just started reading the book and using
Frontpage last week I have no idea what he meant. He didn't give any
reasons as to why he said that or why he felt that way about the
program.

array
 
S

spatience

Thanks everyone for your comments. I had read so many negative comments
about Frontpage, and about all web sites created with it looking the
same, which personally I think is ridiculous. I have been using it for
about a month now and also reading up on HTML and CSS. I find Frontpage
great for laying out the basic site, then I move into the code or split
view and edit the HTML by hand. Just wondered if other designers used
this or if there was something I hadn't noticed in the package yet that
meant it was a no go area for professionals.

Thanks again everyone.

Sarah
 
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Chris Leeds, MVP-FrontPage

css/ split view. there's no reason to feel limited. it's a good solid tool
and it's best features probably won't become apparent to you until you're
maintaining or at least responsible for the existence of a couple dozen
webs. it's great as a management tool. I like to keep all client's files
in the local web and mark the stuff that doesn't need to be on the server as
"do not publish". this way you never have to go looking for anything.

If you look into interactive buttons and the layers and behaviors functions
you can do some really cool stuff fairly easily there too.

it's definitely a professional tool, more so in fp 2003.

HTH

--
Chris Leeds,
Microsoft MVP-FrontPage

ContentSeed: great tool for web masters,
a fantastic convenience for site owners.
http://contentseed.com/
 
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David Rance

Thanks everyone for your comments. I had read so many negative comments
about Frontpage, and about all web sites created with it looking the
same, which personally I think is ridiculous. I have been using it for
about a month now and also reading up on HTML and CSS. I find Frontpage
great for laying out the basic site, then I move into the code or split
view and edit the HTML by hand. Just wondered if other designers used
this or if there was something I hadn't noticed in the package yet that
meant it was a no go area for professionals.

As I said in my previous post, I'm a comparative newbie at using
FrontPage. My impression of it is that it is designed with beginners in
mind so that even the beginner can produce reasonable-looking sites with
minimum experience.

I've been using it long enough to have points of dissatisfaction, the
main one being that it does produce an awful lot of code which isn't
always as efficient as it might be. Maybe that's the price one has to
pay for things to be made simple. And even in code view, one cannot see
the code for additions like shared borders. Another is that you would
need another program in order to produce your own graphics rather than
use what is in the FP graphics library.

I don't have a great deal of experience in web design even though I
wrote my first web pages back in 1996 using a DOS text editor. They were
essentially very simple pages. I hoped that FrontPage might help me to
produce something a little more sophisticated so I bought a copy of
FP2000 cheaply on Ebay (actually I bought FP2003 to begin with and then
found I couldn't install it over WIN98 so I gave it to my daughter!).
Yes, it did enable me to produce some nicer looking pages but even then
I found it somewhat limiting.

I do have quite a bit of programming experience, albeit amateur (in
assembly language and C, with a smattering of C++), and so I began to
look at Javascript to make my designs more interesting. In fact, what
I'm doing now I could equally well do without using FrontPage, and
instead using a browser and a text editor, together with a few text
books (I have one for Javascript but nothing for HTML). I wondered about
getting a copy of Dreamweaver, but have come to the conclusion that I
shall probably be able to manage to do what I want with what I've got.

In short, you don't actually need programs like FrontPage or Dreamweaver
if you have any programming experience and plenty of time. There are
lots of sites with ideas for routines in Javascript on the Web. If you
haven't a lot of time then those programs are a must if you want to
produce something quickly.

David
 
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xfile

Hi,

I own every version of FP including 2003 as part of my Office program
updates, but I have not seriously using it until 6 months ago.

I found FP 2003 (the version I am using now) can do almost anything I wish
from simple web design, HTML editing as I started out about 6 months ago to
more complicated coding (such as interacting with DB and using ASP, ASP.Net,
Java Script) as I am doing now.

Plus there are plenty helps, samples, and articles from MS Knowledge Base,
net, and here.

But it is not a perfect tool as any other applications. I am also learning
Dreamweaver MX as it seems work better with database, such as MySQL, SQL or
just because I have not full explored this part of FP.
 
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Kevin Spencer

I don't have a great deal of experience in web design even though I wrote
my first web pages back in 1996 using a DOS text editor. They were
essentially very simple pages. I hoped that FrontPage might help me to
produce something a little more sophisticated so I bought a copy of FP2000
cheaply on Ebay (actually I bought FP2003 to begin with and then found I
couldn't install it over WIN98 so I gave it to my daughter!). Yes, it did
enable me to produce some nicer looking pages but even then I found it
somewhat limiting.

You found FrontPage 2000 "somewhat limiting" compared to a DOS text editor?!

Well, I can die happy now. I've heard it all.

--
HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
What You Seek Is What You Get.
 
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Chris Leeds, MVP-FrontPage

And even in code view, one cannot see
the code for additions like shared borders. Another is that you would

This is actually something I perceive as beneficial. it's much easier to
deal with a page template when there's nothing in it. If I want to see what
will be inserted, I only have to look at the page that's going to be
inserted (FrontPage includes, not shared borders).
 
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Kevin Spencer

That's not what I said, Kevin, so don't be silly! :)

But if somebody wasn't silly, it would be depressing to read these messages
every day!

--
;-),

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
What You Seek Is What You Get.
 
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Murray

In short, you don't actually need programs like FrontPage or Dreamweaver
if you have any programming experience and plenty of time. There are lots
of sites with ideas for routines in Javascript on the Web. If you haven't
a lot of time then those programs are a must if you want to produce
something quickly.

Here's the thing. Using FP or DW, I can complete a 20 page site in the time
it takes you to make a single page. And I can manage it with both hands
tied behind me. I haven't seen Notepad do that yet.

I don't buy this argument at all.
 

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