Frontpage preview not WYSIWYG - Lines Mashed Together

[Keith]

I have forever had this problem. FP is not WYSIWYG !!

The only "fix" is a kludge - I have to add additional line breaks -
especially where I use Bold, Large headers - the Preview shows the
lines mashed together and overlapping. It looks HORRIBLE !! Then
when I publish the page, it is a lot better, but still does the
mashing if the line is forced to go to a second line because it runs
out of space.

But when I publish - although they are still a bit too close together
for what I expect - at least they do not overlap.

Here is an example - I took 3 screenshots and placed them into one
large GIF file for comparison - here is the file:

www.infocellar.com/FPproblem.gif

If you want to see the actual website with that page:

http://www.infocellar.com/msoffice/index.htm and click on "Table of
Contents" in the left Frame. You will see the line is forced to go to
a second line because it has enough width on the page to stay as one
line. And the two are mashed together slightly (but not as much as in
FP preview).

Now - the page all by itself, unframed looks OK because the line is
NOT forced to go to a second line because it has enough width on the
page to stay as one line. Shouldn't the IE browser realize the font
is 24-point and then adjust the next line down appropriately?
http://www.infocellar.com/msoffice/word-toc.htm

Can anyone shed some light on this "Preview" problem? I am not
getting WYSIWYG, like I should. Is it just a glitch in FP2000 ??
Will I need to shell out the dough to upgrade? TIA

 

[Jens Peter Karlsen[FP MVP]]

The CSS Word creates causes this.
You should remove all formatting from text that you copy and paste from
Word. Then use FP's formatting tools.
When you paste text from Word, you should choose Paste Special from the
edit menu and select text only or you can copy it to Notepad first and
then copy it from there to FP.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.

 

[Rick Budde]

If you are indeed using Word to create your content ...
don't. If you do, you will continue to have problems and
be frustrated.

-----Original Message-----
The CSS Word creates causes this.
You should remove all formatting from text that you copy and paste from
Word. Then use FP's formatting tools.
When you paste text from Word, you should choose Paste Special from the
edit menu and select text only or you can copy it to Notepad first and
then copy it from there to FP.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith [mailto:[email protected]]
Posted At: 10. oktober 2004 13:04
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
Conversation: Frontpage preview not WYSIWYG - Lines Mashed Together
Subject: Frontpage preview not WYSIWYG - Lines Mashed Together


I have forever had this problem. FP is not WYSIWYG !!

The only "fix" is a kludge - I have to add additional line
breaks - especially where I use Bold, Large headers - the
Preview shows the lines mashed together and overlapping. It
looks HORRIBLE !! Then when I publish the page, it is a lot
better, but still does the mashing if the line is forced to
go to a second line because it runs out of space.

But when I publish - although they are still a bit too close
together for what I expect - at least they do not overlap.

Here is an example - I took 3 screenshots and placed them
into one large GIF file for comparison - here is the file:

www.infocellar.com/FPproblem.gif

If you want to see the actual website with that page:

http://www.infocellar.com/msoffice/index.htm and click on
"Table of Contents" in the left Frame. You will see the line
is forced to go to a second line because it has enough width
on the page to stay as one line. And the two are mashed
together slightly (but not as much as in FP preview).

Now - the page all by itself, unframed looks OK because the
line is NOT forced to go to a second line because it has
enough width on the page to stay as one line. Shouldn't the
IE browser realize the font is 24-point and then adjust the
next line down appropriately?
http://www.infocellar.com/msoffice/word-toc.htm

Can anyone shed some light on this "Preview" problem? I am
not getting WYSIWYG, like I should. Is it just a glitch in FP2000 ??
Will I need to shell out the dough to upgrade? TIA

 

[Murray]

For what it's worth, there is no such thing as a WYSIWYG HTML authoring
system. The WYS part is not so hard, it's the WYG one that's tricky, given
the fact that there are oodles of browsers that interpret code slightly
differently....

 

[Keith]

The problem is that I have a ton of large Word files that I had to
convert to FP, so I really had no choice. I used the "Save as Web
Page Filtered" option, then had to get rid of the problem where the
file will opn in Word instead of FP, so I right-clicked on the HTM
file and select "Open . . . in Frontpage", then edited the file to
remove the "div section" line and removed the large "style" section at
the top - then finally saved it.

This does remove the Word format characters - but I guess not all of
them. The only other way was a "Word-to-HTML" editor, which did not
do a good job. I realize I could save it to a text file and then
paste it into FP and re-edit it all - but these files are just too
long, and too many - plus they are full of inserted pics.

If you are indeed using Word to create your content ...
don't. If you do, you will continue to have problems and
be frustrated.

-----Original Message-----
The CSS Word creates causes this.
You should remove all formatting from text that you copy and paste from
Word. Then use FP's formatting tools.
When you paste text from Word, you should choose Paste Special from the
edit menu and select text only or you can copy it to Notepad first and
then copy it from there to FP.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith [mailto:[email protected]]
Posted At: 10. oktober 2004 13:04
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
Conversation: Frontpage preview not WYSIWYG - Lines Mashed Together
Subject: Frontpage preview not WYSIWYG - Lines Mashed Together


I have forever had this problem. FP is not WYSIWYG !!

The only "fix" is a kludge - I have to add additional line
breaks - especially where I use Bold, Large headers - the
Preview shows the lines mashed together and overlapping. It
looks HORRIBLE !! Then when I publish the page, it is a lot
better, but still does the mashing if the line is forced to
go to a second line because it runs out of space.

But when I publish - although they are still a bit too close
together for what I expect - at least they do not overlap.

Here is an example - I took 3 screenshots and placed them
into one large GIF file for comparison - here is the file:

www.infocellar.com/FPproblem.gif

If you want to see the actual website with that page:

http://www.infocellar.com/msoffice/index.htm and click on
"Table of Contents" in the left Frame. You will see the line
is forced to go to a second line because it has enough width
on the page to stay as one line. And the two are mashed
together slightly (but not as much as in FP preview).

Now - the page all by itself, unframed looks OK because the
line is NOT forced to go to a second line because it has
enough width on the page to stay as one line. Shouldn't the
IE browser realize the font is 24-point and then adjust the
next line down appropriately?
http://www.infocellar.com/msoffice/word-toc.htm

Can anyone shed some light on this "Preview" problem? I am
not getting WYSIWYG, like I should. Is it just a glitch in FP2000 ??
Will I need to shell out the dough to upgrade? TIA

 

[Rick Budde]

It sounds like you have a project for many rainy days!

-----Original Message-----
The problem is that I have a ton of large Word files that I had to
convert to FP, so I really had no choice. I used the "Save as Web
Page Filtered" option, then had to get rid of the problem where the
file will opn in Word instead of FP, so I right-clicked on the HTM
file and select "Open . . . in Frontpage", then edited the file to
remove the "div section" line and removed the large "style" section at
the top - then finally saved it.

This does remove the Word format characters - but I guess not all of
them. The only other way was a "Word-to-HTML" editor, which did not
do a good job. I realize I could save it to a text file and then
paste it into FP and re-edit it all - but these files are just too
long, and too many - plus they are full of inserted pics.

If you are indeed using Word to create your content ...
don't. If you do, you will continue to have problems and
be frustrated.

-----Original Message-----
The CSS Word creates causes this.
You should remove all formatting from text that you

copy
and paste from

Word. Then use FP's formatting tools.
When you paste text from Word, you should choose Paste Special from the
edit menu and select text only or you can copy it to Notepad first and
then copy it from there to FP.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith [mailto:[email protected]]
Posted At: 10. oktober 2004 13:04
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
Conversation: Frontpage preview not WYSIWYG - Lines Mashed Together
Subject: Frontpage preview not WYSIWYG - Lines

Mashed
Together

I have forever had this problem. FP is not WYSIWYG !!

The only "fix" is a kludge - I have to add

additional
line

breaks - especially where I use Bold, Large

headers -
the

Preview shows the lines mashed together and overlapping. It
looks HORRIBLE !! Then when I publish the page, it

is
a lot

better, but still does the mashing if the line is forced to
go to a second line because it runs out of space.

But when I publish - although they are still a bit

too
close

together for what I expect - at least they do not overlap.

Here is an example - I took 3 screenshots and placed them
into one large GIF file for comparison - here is the file:

www.infocellar.com/FPproblem.gif

If you want to see the actual website with that page:

http://www.infocellar.com/msoffice/index.htm and click on
"Table of Contents" in the left Frame. You will see the line
is forced to go to a second line because it has

enough
width

on the page to stay as one line. And the two are mashed
together slightly (but not as much as in FP preview).

Now - the page all by itself, unframed looks OK because the
line is NOT forced to go to a second line because it has
enough width on the page to stay as one line. Shouldn't the
IE browser realize the font is 24-point and then adjust the
next line down appropriately?
http://www.infocellar.com/msoffice/word-toc.htm

Can anyone shed some light on this "Preview"

problem?
I am

not getting WYSIWYG, like I should. Is it just a glitch in FP2000 ??
Will I need to shell out the dough to upgrade? TIA

.

 

[Chuck Davis]

Since you have a project ahead of you, I suggest that you
use the program Pure Text. I will eliminate half the copy
and paste work. You simply copy the page to the clipboard,
click on the Pure Text icon on the task bar and paste into
your FrontPage document. You'll still have to format it.
http://stevemiller.net/puretext/

 

[Don]

If you have several files that need to be converted from MS Word.doc OR
Excel...

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HA010549981033.aspx

This is not just for Office 2000 files..
Download it here..

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...EE-3FBD-482C-83B0-96FB79B74DED&displaylang=en

HTH

Don
========================
| The problem is that I have a ton of large Word files that I had to
| convert to FP, so I really had no choice. I used the "Save as Web
| Page Filtered" option, then had to get rid of the problem where the
| file will opn in Word instead of FP, so I right-clicked on the HTM
| file and select "Open . . . in Frontpage", then edited the file to
| remove the "div section" line and removed the large "style" section at
| the top - then finally saved it.
|
| This does remove the Word format characters - but I guess not all of
| them. The only other way was a "Word-to-HTML" editor, which did not
| do a good job. I realize I could save it to a text file and then
| paste it into FP and re-edit it all - but these files are just too
| long, and too many - plus they are full of inserted pics.
|
| On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 07:20:32 -0700, "Rick Budde"
|
| >If you are indeed using Word to create your content ...
| >don't. If you do, you will continue to have problems and
| >be frustrated.
| >
| >>-----Original Message-----
| >>The CSS Word creates causes this.
| >>You should remove all formatting from text that you copy
| >and paste from
| >>Word. Then use FP's formatting tools.
| >>When you paste text from Word, you should choose Paste
| >Special from the
| >>edit menu and select text only or you can copy it to
| >Notepad first and
| >>then copy it from there to FP.
| >>
| >>Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
| >>
| >>> -----Original Message-----
| >>> From: Keith [mailto:[email protected]]
| >>> Posted At: 10. oktober 2004 13:04
| >>> Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
| >>> Conversation: Frontpage preview not WYSIWYG - Lines
| >Mashed Together
| >>> Subject: Frontpage preview not WYSIWYG - Lines Mashed
| >Together
| >>>
| >>>
| >>> I have forever had this problem. FP is not WYSIWYG !!
| >>>
| >>> The only "fix" is a kludge - I have to add additional
| >line
| >>> breaks - especially where I use Bold, Large headers -
| > the
| >>> Preview shows the lines mashed together and
| >overlapping. It
| >>> looks HORRIBLE !! Then when I publish the page, it is
| >a lot
| >>> better, but still does the mashing if the line is
| >forced to
| >>> go to a second line because it runs out of space.
| >>>
| >>> But when I publish - although they are still a bit too
| >close
| >>> together for what I expect - at least they do not
| >overlap.
| >>>
| >>> Here is an example - I took 3 screenshots and placed
| >them
| >>> into one large GIF file for comparison - here is the
| >file:
| >>>
| >>> www.infocellar.com/FPproblem.gif
| >>>
| >>> If you want to see the actual website with that page:
| >>>
| >>> http://www.infocellar.com/msoffice/index.htm and
| >click on
| >>> "Table of Contents" in the left Frame. You will see
| >the line
| >>> is forced to go to a second line because it has enough
| >width
| >>> on the page to stay as one line. And the two are
| >mashed
| >>> together slightly (but not as much as in FP preview).
| >>>
| >>> Now - the page all by itself, unframed looks OK
| >because the
| >>> line is NOT forced to go to a second line because it
| >has
| >>> enough width on the page to stay as one line.
| >Shouldn't the
| >>> IE browser realize the font is 24-point and then
| >adjust the
| >>> next line down appropriately?
| >>> http://www.infocellar.com/msoffice/word-toc.htm
| >>>
| >>> Can anyone shed some light on this "Preview" problem?
| >I am
| >>> not getting WYSIWYG, like I should. Is it just a
| >glitch in FP2000 ??
| >>> Will I need to shell out the dough to upgrade? TIA
| >>>
| >>
|

 

[Don]

BTW: MS Office 2003 can do the filtering too....

1.. On the "File menu", click "Save As".
2.. If you have not saved the file before, enter a new name for the file
in the File name box.
3.. In the "Save as type" box, click "Web Page, Filtered".
4.. Click "Save".
HTH

Don
====================
| If you have several files that need to be converted from MS Word.doc OR
| Excel...
|
| http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HA010549981033.aspx
|
| This is not just for Office 2000 files..
| Download it here..
|
|
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...EE-3FBD-482C-83B0-96FB79B74DED&displaylang=en
|
| HTH
|
| Don
| ========================
| || The problem is that I have a ton of large Word files that I had to
|| convert to FP, so I really had no choice. I used the "Save as Web
|| Page Filtered" option, then had to get rid of the problem where the
|| file will opn in Word instead of FP, so I right-clicked on the HTM
|| file and select "Open . . . in Frontpage", then edited the file to
|| remove the "div section" line and removed the large "style" section at
|| the top - then finally saved it.
||
|| This does remove the Word format characters - but I guess not all of
|| them. The only other way was a "Word-to-HTML" editor, which did not
|| do a good job. I realize I could save it to a text file and then
|| paste it into FP and re-edit it all - but these files are just too
|| long, and too many - plus they are full of inserted pics.
||
|| On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 07:20:32 -0700, "Rick Budde"
||
|| >If you are indeed using Word to create your content ...
|| >don't. If you do, you will continue to have problems and
|| >be frustrated.
|| >
|| >>-----Original Message-----
|| >>The CSS Word creates causes this.
|| >>You should remove all formatting from text that you copy
|| >and paste from
|| >>Word. Then use FP's formatting tools.
|| >>When you paste text from Word, you should choose Paste
|| >Special from the
|| >>edit menu and select text only or you can copy it to
|| >Notepad first and
|| >>then copy it from there to FP.
|| >>
|| >>Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
|| >>
|| >>> -----Original Message-----
|| >>> From: Keith [mailto:[email protected]]
|| >>> Posted At: 10. oktober 2004 13:04
|| >>> Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
|| >>> Conversation: Frontpage preview not WYSIWYG - Lines
|| >Mashed Together
|| >>> Subject: Frontpage preview not WYSIWYG - Lines Mashed
|| >Together
|| >>>
|| >>>
|| >>> I have forever had this problem. FP is not WYSIWYG !!
|| >>>
|| >>> The only "fix" is a kludge - I have to add additional
|| >line
|| >>> breaks - especially where I use Bold, Large headers -
|| > the
|| >>> Preview shows the lines mashed together and
|| >overlapping. It
|| >>> looks HORRIBLE !! Then when I publish the page, it is
|| >a lot
|| >>> better, but still does the mashing if the line is
|| >forced to
|| >>> go to a second line because it runs out of space.
|| >>>
|| >>> But when I publish - although they are still a bit too
|| >close
|| >>> together for what I expect - at least they do not
|| >overlap.
|| >>>
|| >>> Here is an example - I took 3 screenshots and placed
|| >them
|| >>> into one large GIF file for comparison - here is the
|| >file:
|| >>>
|| >>> www.infocellar.com/FPproblem.gif
|| >>>
|| >>> If you want to see the actual website with that page:
|| >>>
|| >>> http://www.infocellar.com/msoffice/index.htm and
|| >click on
|| >>> "Table of Contents" in the left Frame. You will see
|| >the line
|| >>> is forced to go to a second line because it has enough
|| >width
|| >>> on the page to stay as one line. And the two are
|| >mashed
|| >>> together slightly (but not as much as in FP preview).
|| >>>
|| >>> Now - the page all by itself, unframed looks OK
|| >because the
|| >>> line is NOT forced to go to a second line because it
|| >has
|| >>> enough width on the page to stay as one line.
|| >Shouldn't the
|| >>> IE browser realize the font is 24-point and then
|| >adjust the
|| >>> next line down appropriately?
|| >>> http://www.infocellar.com/msoffice/word-toc.htm
|| >>>
|| >>> Can anyone shed some light on this "Preview" problem?
|| >I am
|| >>> not getting WYSIWYG, like I should. Is it just a
|| >glitch in FP2000 ??
|| >>> Will I need to shell out the dough to upgrade? TIA
|| >>>
|| >>
||
|
|

 

[Wally S]

I have hundreds of pages on my site that were edited in Word and then
dragged from Windows explorer onto an open page in FP. I have been doing
this since 1998, and I have never had a problem. Plus it keeps all my
formatting.

If you don't believe me, check it out. www.dipika.org. All of the articles
were edited in word 2000 and then dragged onto the page. It's a great
timesaver.

Wally S

 

[Steve Easton]

I have hundreds of pages on my site that were edited in Word and then

dragged from Windows explorer onto an open page in FP. I have been doing
this since 1998, and I have never had a problem. Plus it keeps all my
formatting.

Maybe that's what explains why the home page has not completed loading after 20 seconds over a DSL
line.!!!

--
Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
95isalive
This site is best viewed............
........................with a computer

 

[Don]

YES! I have it install now..

Don
===================
"Rob Giordano (aka: Crash Gordon®)" <[email protected]>
wrote in message Don,

Have you tried it yet?

R.


| If you have several files that need to be converted from MS Word.doc OR
| Excel...
|
| http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HA010549981033.aspx
|
| This is not just for Office 2000 files..
| Download it here..
|
|
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...EE-3FBD-482C-83B0-96FB79B74DED&displaylang=en
|
| HTH
|
| Don
| ========================
| | | The problem is that I have a ton of large Word files that I had to
| | convert to FP, so I really had no choice. I used the "Save as Web
| | Page Filtered" option, then had to get rid of the problem where the
| | file will opn in Word instead of FP, so I right-clicked on the HTM
| | file and select "Open . . . in Frontpage", then edited the file to
| | remove the "div section" line and removed the large "style" section at
| | the top - then finally saved it.
| |
| | This does remove the Word format characters - but I guess not all of
| | them. The only other way was a "Word-to-HTML" editor, which did not
| | do a good job. I realize I could save it to a text file and then
| | paste it into FP and re-edit it all - but these files are just too
| | long, and too many - plus they are full of inserted pics.
| |
| | On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 07:20:32 -0700, "Rick Budde"
| |
| | >If you are indeed using Word to create your content ...
| | >don't. If you do, you will continue to have problems and
| | >be frustrated.
| | >
| | >>-----Original Message-----
| | >>The CSS Word creates causes this.
| | >>You should remove all formatting from text that you copy
| | >and paste from
| | >>Word. Then use FP's formatting tools.
| | >>When you paste text from Word, you should choose Paste
| | >Special from the
| | >>edit menu and select text only or you can copy it to
| | >Notepad first and
| | >>then copy it from there to FP.
| | >>
| | >>Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
| | >>
| | >>> -----Original Message-----
| | >>> From: Keith [mailto:[email protected]]
| | >>> Posted At: 10. oktober 2004 13:04
| | >>> Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
| | >>> Conversation: Frontpage preview not WYSIWYG - Lines
| | >Mashed Together
| | >>> Subject: Frontpage preview not WYSIWYG - Lines Mashed
| | >Together
| | >>>
| | >>>
| | >>> I have forever had this problem. FP is not WYSIWYG !!
| | >>>
| | >>> The only "fix" is a kludge - I have to add additional
| | >line
| | >>> breaks - especially where I use Bold, Large headers -
| | > the
| | >>> Preview shows the lines mashed together and
| | >overlapping. It
| | >>> looks HORRIBLE !! Then when I publish the page, it is
| | >a lot
| | >>> better, but still does the mashing if the line is
| | >forced to
| | >>> go to a second line because it runs out of space.
| | >>>
| | >>> But when I publish - although they are still a bit too
| | >close
| | >>> together for what I expect - at least they do not
| | >overlap.
| | >>>
| | >>> Here is an example - I took 3 screenshots and placed
| | >them
| | >>> into one large GIF file for comparison - here is the
| | >file:
| | >>>
| | >>> www.infocellar.com/FPproblem.gif
| | >>>
| | >>> If you want to see the actual website with that page:
| | >>>
| | >>> http://www.infocellar.com/msoffice/index.htm and
| | >click on
| | >>> "Table of Contents" in the left Frame. You will see
| | >the line
| | >>> is forced to go to a second line because it has enough
| | >width
| | >>> on the page to stay as one line. And the two are
| | >mashed
| | >>> together slightly (but not as much as in FP preview).
| | >>>
| | >>> Now - the page all by itself, unframed looks OK
| | >because the
| | >>> line is NOT forced to go to a second line because it
| | >has
| | >>> enough width on the page to stay as one line.
| | >Shouldn't the
| | >>> IE browser realize the font is 24-point and then
| | >adjust the
| | >>> next line down appropriately?
| | >>> http://www.infocellar.com/msoffice/word-toc.htm
| | >>>
| | >>> Can anyone shed some light on this "Preview" problem?
| | >I am
| | >>> not getting WYSIWYG, like I should. Is it just a
| | >glitch in FP2000 ??
| | >>> Will I need to shell out the dough to upgrade? TIA
| | >>>
| | >>
| |
|
|

 

[Don]

It works great!

I used it for a collage site where they had 300~400 pages they wanted on
their web site. It took about 4 hours to do them all... (most of them were
made with Office 97 some 2000) I was using Office 2000 to convert to HTML
and then used the filter to remove the Office formatting from the pages.
(Just a lot of clicking) But it paid well.....

Don
================
"Rob Giordano (aka: Crash Gordon®)" <[email protected]>
wrote in message annnndddddd?


|
| YES! I have it install now..
|
| Don
| ===================
| "Rob Giordano (aka: Crash Gordon®)" <[email protected]>
| wrote in message | Don,
|
| Have you tried it yet?
|
| R.
|
|
| | | If you have several files that need to be converted from MS Word.doc OR
| | Excel...
| |
| | http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HA010549981033.aspx
| |
| | This is not just for Office 2000 files..
| | Download it here..
| |
| |
|
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...EE-3FBD-482C-83B0-96FB79B74DED&displaylang=en
| |
| | HTH
| |
| | Don
| | ========================
| | | | | The problem is that I have a ton of large Word files that I had to
| | | convert to FP, so I really had no choice. I used the "Save as Web
| | | Page Filtered" option, then had to get rid of the problem where the
| | | file will opn in Word instead of FP, so I right-clicked on the HTM
| | | file and select "Open . . . in Frontpage", then edited the file to
| | | remove the "div section" line and removed the large "style" section at
| | | the top - then finally saved it.
| | |
| | | This does remove the Word format characters - but I guess not all of
| | | them. The only other way was a "Word-to-HTML" editor, which did not
| | | do a good job. I realize I could save it to a text file and then
| | | paste it into FP and re-edit it all - but these files are just too
| | | long, and too many - plus they are full of inserted pics.
| | |
| | | On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 07:20:32 -0700, "Rick Budde"
| | |
| | | >If you are indeed using Word to create your content ...
| | | >don't. If you do, you will continue to have problems and
| | | >be frustrated.
| | | >
| | | >>-----Original Message-----
| | | >>The CSS Word creates causes this.
| | | >>You should remove all formatting from text that you copy
| | | >and paste from
| | | >>Word. Then use FP's formatting tools.
| | | >>When you paste text from Word, you should choose Paste
| | | >Special from the
| | | >>edit menu and select text only or you can copy it to
| | | >Notepad first and
| | | >>then copy it from there to FP.
| | | >>
| | | >>Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
| | | >>
| | | >>> -----Original Message-----
| | | >>> From: Keith [mailto:[email protected]]
| | | >>> Posted At: 10. oktober 2004 13:04
| | | >>> Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
| | | >>> Conversation: Frontpage preview not WYSIWYG - Lines
| | | >Mashed Together
| | | >>> Subject: Frontpage preview not WYSIWYG - Lines Mashed
| | | >Together
| | | >>>
| | | >>>
| | | >>> I have forever had this problem. FP is not WYSIWYG !!
| | | >>>
| | | >>> The only "fix" is a kludge - I have to add additional
| | | >line
| | | >>> breaks - especially where I use Bold, Large headers -
| | | > the
| | | >>> Preview shows the lines mashed together and
| | | >overlapping. It
| | | >>> looks HORRIBLE !! Then when I publish the page, it is
| | | >a lot
| | | >>> better, but still does the mashing if the line is
| | | >forced to
| | | >>> go to a second line because it runs out of space.
| | | >>>
| | | >>> But when I publish - although they are still a bit too
| | | >close
| | | >>> together for what I expect - at least they do not
| | | >overlap.
| | | >>>
| | | >>> Here is an example - I took 3 screenshots and placed
| | | >them
| | | >>> into one large GIF file for comparison - here is the
| | | >file:
| | | >>>
| | | >>> www.infocellar.com/FPproblem.gif
| | | >>>
| | | >>> If you want to see the actual website with that page:
| | | >>>
| | | >>> http://www.infocellar.com/msoffice/index.htm and
| | | >click on
| | | >>> "Table of Contents" in the left Frame. You will see
| | | >the line
| | | >>> is forced to go to a second line because it has enough
| | | >width
| | | >>> on the page to stay as one line. And the two are
| | | >mashed
| | | >>> together slightly (but not as much as in FP preview).
| | | >>>
| | | >>> Now - the page all by itself, unframed looks OK
| | | >because the
| | | >>> line is NOT forced to go to a second line because it
| | | >has
| | | >>> enough width on the page to stay as one line.
| | | >Shouldn't the
| | | >>> IE browser realize the font is 24-point and then
| | | >adjust the
| | | >>> next line down appropriately?
| | | >>> http://www.infocellar.com/msoffice/word-toc.htm
| | | >>>
| | | >>> Can anyone shed some light on this "Preview" problem?
| | | >I am
| | | >>> not getting WYSIWYG, like I should. Is it just a
| | | >glitch in FP2000 ??
| | | >>> Will I need to shell out the dough to upgrade? TIA
| | | >>>
| | | >>
| | |
| |
| |
|
|

 

[Don]

Options>In the top area (5 check boxes) check the bottom 3.... In the
bottom area check the last one and the CSS if you want but you will loose
some formatting...

Don
======================
"Rob Giordano (aka: Crash Gordon®)" <[email protected]>
wrote in message The round-tripping effect is a little strange.
It still puts in MSO stuff at the top but much better than I thought.
Haven't tried the CSS export yet.


"Rob Giordano (aka: Crash Gordon®)" <[email protected]>
wrote in message annnndddddd?


|
| YES! I have it install now..
|
| Don
| ===================
| "Rob Giordano (aka: Crash Gordon®)" <[email protected]>
| wrote in message | Don,
|
| Have you tried it yet?
|
| R.
|
|
| | | If you have several files that need to be converted from MS Word.doc OR
| | Excel...
| |
| | http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HA010549981033.aspx
| |
| | This is not just for Office 2000 files..
| | Download it here..
| |
| |
|
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...EE-3FBD-482C-83B0-96FB79B74DED&displaylang=en
| |
| | HTH
| |
| | Don
| | ========================
| | | | | The problem is that I have a ton of large Word files that I had to
| | | convert to FP, so I really had no choice. I used the "Save as Web
| | | Page Filtered" option, then had to get rid of the problem where the
| | | file will opn in Word instead of FP, so I right-clicked on the HTM
| | | file and select "Open . . . in Frontpage", then edited the file to
| | | remove the "div section" line and removed the large "style" section at
| | | the top - then finally saved it.
| | |
| | | This does remove the Word format characters - but I guess not all of
| | | them. The only other way was a "Word-to-HTML" editor, which did not
| | | do a good job. I realize I could save it to a text file and then
| | | paste it into FP and re-edit it all - but these files are just too
| | | long, and too many - plus they are full of inserted pics.
| | |
| | | On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 07:20:32 -0700, "Rick Budde"
| | |
| | | >If you are indeed using Word to create your content ...
| | | >don't. If you do, you will continue to have problems and
| | | >be frustrated.
| | | >
| | | >>-----Original Message-----
| | | >>The CSS Word creates causes this.
| | | >>You should remove all formatting from text that you copy
| | | >and paste from
| | | >>Word. Then use FP's formatting tools.
| | | >>When you paste text from Word, you should choose Paste
| | | >Special from the
| | | >>edit menu and select text only or you can copy it to
| | | >Notepad first and
| | | >>then copy it from there to FP.
| | | >>
| | | >>Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
| | | >>
| | | >>> -----Original Message-----
| | | >>> From: Keith [mailto:[email protected]]
| | | >>> Posted At: 10. oktober 2004 13:04
| | | >>> Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
| | | >>> Conversation: Frontpage preview not WYSIWYG - Lines
| | | >Mashed Together
| | | >>> Subject: Frontpage preview not WYSIWYG - Lines Mashed
| | | >Together
| | | >>>
| | | >>>
| | | >>> I have forever had this problem. FP is not WYSIWYG !!
| | | >>>
| | | >>> The only "fix" is a kludge - I have to add additional
| | | >line
| | | >>> breaks - especially where I use Bold, Large headers -
| | | > the
| | | >>> Preview shows the lines mashed together and
| | | >overlapping. It
| | | >>> looks HORRIBLE !! Then when I publish the page, it is
| | | >a lot
| | | >>> better, but still does the mashing if the line is
| | | >forced to
| | | >>> go to a second line because it runs out of space.
| | | >>>
| | | >>> But when I publish - although they are still a bit too
| | | >close
| | | >>> together for what I expect - at least they do not
| | | >overlap.
| | | >>>
| | | >>> Here is an example - I took 3 screenshots and placed
| | | >them
| | | >>> into one large GIF file for comparison - here is the
| | | >file:
| | | >>>
| | | >>> www.infocellar.com/FPproblem.gif
| | | >>>
| | | >>> If you want to see the actual website with that page:
| | | >>>
| | | >>> http://www.infocellar.com/msoffice/index.htm and
| | | >click on
| | | >>> "Table of Contents" in the left Frame. You will see
| | | >the line
| | | >>> is forced to go to a second line because it has enough
| | | >width
| | | >>> on the page to stay as one line. And the two are
| | | >mashed
| | | >>> together slightly (but not as much as in FP preview).
| | | >>>
| | | >>> Now - the page all by itself, unframed looks OK
| | | >because the
| | | >>> line is NOT forced to go to a second line because it
| | | >has
| | | >>> enough width on the page to stay as one line.
| | | >Shouldn't the
| | | >>> IE browser realize the font is 24-point and then
| | | >adjust the
| | | >>> next line down appropriately?
| | | >>> http://www.infocellar.com/msoffice/word-toc.htm
| | | >>>
| | | >>> Can anyone shed some light on this "Preview" problem?
| | | >I am
| | | >>> not getting WYSIWYG, like I should. Is it just a
| | | >glitch in FP2000 ??
| | | >>> Will I need to shell out the dough to upgrade? TIA
| | | >>>
| | | >>
| | |
| |
| |
|
|

 

[Don]

Night....
Tomorrow "is" another day...

Don
============
"Rob Giordano (aka: Crash Gordon®)" <[email protected]>
wrote in message I wonder how/what the Convert to CSS does....that'll be a two beer adventure
for another day!


| It works great!
|
| I used it for a collage site where they had 300~400 pages they wanted on
| their web site. It took about 4 hours to do them all... (most of them
were
| made with Office 97 some 2000) I was using Office 2000 to convert to HTML
| and then used the filter to remove the Office formatting from the pages.
| (Just a lot of clicking) But it paid well.....
|
| Don
| ================
| "Rob Giordano (aka: Crash Gordon®)" <[email protected]>
| wrote in message | annnndddddd?
|
|
| | |
| | YES! I have it install now..
| |
| | Don
| | ===================
| | "Rob Giordano (aka: Crash Gordon®)"
<[email protected]>
| | wrote in message | | Don,
| |
| | Have you tried it yet?
| |
| | R.
| |
| |
| | | | | If you have several files that need to be converted from MS Word.doc
OR
| | | Excel...
| | |
| | | http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HA010549981033.aspx
| | |
| | | This is not just for Office 2000 files..
| | | Download it here..
| | |
| | |
| |
|
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...EE-3FBD-482C-83B0-96FB79B74DED&displaylang=en
| | |
| | | HTH
| | |
| | | Don
| | | ========================
| | | | | | | The problem is that I have a ton of large Word files that I had to
| | | | convert to FP, so I really had no choice. I used the "Save as Web
| | | | Page Filtered" option, then had to get rid of the problem where the
| | | | file will opn in Word instead of FP, so I right-clicked on the HTM
| | | | file and select "Open . . . in Frontpage", then edited the file to
| | | | remove the "div section" line and removed the large "style" section
at
| | | | the top - then finally saved it.
| | | |
| | | | This does remove the Word format characters - but I guess not all of
| | | | them. The only other way was a "Word-to-HTML" editor, which did not
| | | | do a good job. I realize I could save it to a text file and then
| | | | paste it into FP and re-edit it all - but these files are just too
| | | | long, and too many - plus they are full of inserted pics.
| | | |
| | | | On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 07:20:32 -0700, "Rick Budde"
| | | |
| | | | >If you are indeed using Word to create your content ...
| | | | >don't. If you do, you will continue to have problems and
| | | | >be frustrated.
| | | | >
| | | | >>-----Original Message-----
| | | | >>The CSS Word creates causes this.
| | | | >>You should remove all formatting from text that you copy
| | | | >and paste from
| | | | >>Word. Then use FP's formatting tools.
| | | | >>When you paste text from Word, you should choose Paste
| | | | >Special from the
| | | | >>edit menu and select text only or you can copy it to
| | | | >Notepad first and
| | | | >>then copy it from there to FP.
| | | | >>
| | | | >>Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
| | | | >>
| | | | >>> -----Original Message-----
| | | | >>> From: Keith [mailto:[email protected]]
| | | | >>> Posted At: 10. oktober 2004 13:04
| | | | >>> Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
| | | | >>> Conversation: Frontpage preview not WYSIWYG - Lines
| | | | >Mashed Together
| | | | >>> Subject: Frontpage preview not WYSIWYG - Lines Mashed
| | | | >Together
| | | | >>>
| | | | >>>
| | | | >>> I have forever had this problem. FP is not WYSIWYG !!
| | | | >>>
| | | | >>> The only "fix" is a kludge - I have to add additional
| | | | >line
| | | | >>> breaks - especially where I use Bold, Large headers -
| | | | > the
| | | | >>> Preview shows the lines mashed together and
| | | | >overlapping. It
| | | | >>> looks HORRIBLE !! Then when I publish the page, it is
| | | | >a lot
| | | | >>> better, but still does the mashing if the line is
| | | | >forced to
| | | | >>> go to a second line because it runs out of space.
| | | | >>>
| | | | >>> But when I publish - although they are still a bit too
| | | | >close
| | | | >>> together for what I expect - at least they do not
| | | | >overlap.
| | | | >>>
| | | | >>> Here is an example - I took 3 screenshots and placed
| | | | >them
| | | | >>> into one large GIF file for comparison - here is the
| | | | >file:
| | | | >>>
| | | | >>> www.infocellar.com/FPproblem.gif
| | | | >>>
| | | | >>> If you want to see the actual website with that page:
| | | | >>>
| | | | >>> http://www.infocellar.com/msoffice/index.htm and
| | | | >click on
| | | | >>> "Table of Contents" in the left Frame. You will see
| | | | >the line
| | | | >>> is forced to go to a second line because it has enough
| | | | >width
| | | | >>> on the page to stay as one line. And the two are
| | | | >mashed
| | | | >>> together slightly (but not as much as in FP preview).
| | | | >>>
| | | | >>> Now - the page all by itself, unframed looks OK
| | | | >because the
| | | | >>> line is NOT forced to go to a second line because it
| | | | >has
| | | | >>> enough width on the page to stay as one line.
| | | | >Shouldn't the
| | | | >>> IE browser realize the font is 24-point and then
| | | | >adjust the
| | | | >>> next line down appropriately?
| | | | >>> http://www.infocellar.com/msoffice/word-toc.htm
| | | | >>>
| | | | >>> Can anyone shed some light on this "Preview" problem?
| | | | >I am
| | | | >>> not getting WYSIWYG, like I should. Is it just a
| | | | >glitch in FP2000 ??
| | | | >>> Will I need to shell out the dough to upgrade? TIA
| | | | >>>
| | | | >>
| | | |
| | |
| | |
| |
| |
|
|

 

[Ronx]

Unless it's been changed over the last three years the MSo2000 filter can
only be installed if Word 2000 or Excel 2000 is also installed on the PC.

It does work well on Word 2002 files (better than the filter built into Word
2002, IMO).

--
Ron

Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

If you have several files that need to be converted from MS Word.doc OR
Excel...

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HA010549981033.aspx

This is not just for Office 2000 files..
Download it here..

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...EE-3FBD-482C-83B0-96FB79B74DED&displaylang=en

HTH

Don
========================
| The problem is that I have a ton of large Word files that I had to
| convert to FP, so I really had no choice. I used the "Save as Web
| Page Filtered" option, then had to get rid of the problem where the
| file will opn in Word instead of FP, so I right-clicked on the HTM
| file and select "Open . . . in Frontpage", then edited the file to
| remove the "div section" line and removed the large "style" section at
| the top - then finally saved it.
|
| This does remove the Word format characters - but I guess not all of
| them. The only other way was a "Word-to-HTML" editor, which did not
| do a good job. I realize I could save it to a text file and then
| paste it into FP and re-edit it all - but these files are just too
| long, and too many - plus they are full of inserted pics.
|
| On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 07:20:32 -0700, "Rick Budde"
|
| >If you are indeed using Word to create your content ...
| >don't. If you do, you will continue to have problems and
| >be frustrated.
| >
| >>-----Original Message-----
| >>The CSS Word creates causes this.
| >>You should remove all formatting from text that you copy
| >and paste from
| >>Word. Then use FP's formatting tools.
| >>When you paste text from Word, you should choose Paste
| >Special from the
| >>edit menu and select text only or you can copy it to
| >Notepad first and
| >>then copy it from there to FP.
| >>
| >>Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
| >>
| >>> -----Original Message-----
| >>> From: Keith [mailto:[email protected]]
| >>> Posted At: 10. oktober 2004 13:04
| >>> Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
| >>> Conversation: Frontpage preview not WYSIWYG - Lines
| >Mashed Together
| >>> Subject: Frontpage preview not WYSIWYG - Lines Mashed
| >Together
| >>>
| >>>
| >>> I have forever had this problem. FP is not WYSIWYG !!
| >>>
| >>> The only "fix" is a kludge - I have to add additional
| >line
| >>> breaks - especially where I use Bold, Large headers -
| > the
| >>> Preview shows the lines mashed together and
| >overlapping. It
| >>> looks HORRIBLE !! Then when I publish the page, it is
| >a lot
| >>> better, but still does the mashing if the line is
| >forced to
| >>> go to a second line because it runs out of space.
| >>>
| >>> But when I publish - although they are still a bit too
| >close
| >>> together for what I expect - at least they do not
| >overlap.
| >>>
| >>> Here is an example - I took 3 screenshots and placed
| >them
| >>> into one large GIF file for comparison - here is the
| >file:
| >>>
| >>> www.infocellar.com/FPproblem.gif
| >>>
| >>> If you want to see the actual website with that page:
| >>>
| >>> http://www.infocellar.com/msoffice/index.htm and
| >click on
| >>> "Table of Contents" in the left Frame. You will see
| >the line
| >>> is forced to go to a second line because it has enough
| >width
| >>> on the page to stay as one line. And the two are
| >mashed
| >>> together slightly (but not as much as in FP preview).
| >>>
| >>> Now - the page all by itself, unframed looks OK
| >because the
| >>> line is NOT forced to go to a second line because it
| >has
| >>> enough width on the page to stay as one line.
| >Shouldn't the
| >>> IE browser realize the font is 24-point and then
| >adjust the
| >>> next line down appropriately?
| >>> http://www.infocellar.com/msoffice/word-toc.htm
| >>>
| >>> Can anyone shed some light on this "Preview" problem?
| >I am
| >>> not getting WYSIWYG, like I should. Is it just a
| >glitch in FP2000 ??
| >>> Will I need to shell out the dough to upgrade? TIA
| >>>
| >>
|

 

[Don]

You do have HTML Filter 2.0?
When you open that (All Programs> Microsoft FrontPage>Microsoft Office Tools
HTML>Microsoft Office HTML Filter 2.0(new window) at the bottom on the right
is an "Options Button" There you can change what you want filtered out...

Don
=========================
"Rob Giordano (aka: Crash Gordon®)" <[email protected]>
wrote in message Don...you lost me...Options in where?


| Options>In the top area (5 check boxes) check the bottom 3.... In the
| bottom area check the last one and the CSS if you want but you will loose
| some formatting...
|
| Don
| ======================
| "Rob Giordano (aka: Crash Gordon®)" <[email protected]>
| wrote in message | The round-tripping effect is a little strange.
| It still puts in MSO stuff at the top but much better than I thought.
| Haven't tried the CSS export yet.
|
|
| "Rob Giordano (aka: Crash Gordon®)" <[email protected]>
| wrote in message | annnndddddd?
|
|
| | |
| | YES! I have it install now..
| |
| | Don
| | ===================
| | "Rob Giordano (aka: Crash Gordon®)"
<[email protected]>
| | wrote in message | | Don,
| |
| | Have you tried it yet?
| |
| | R.
| |
| |
| | | | | If you have several files that need to be converted from MS Word.doc
OR
| | | Excel...
| | |
| | | http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HA010549981033.aspx
| | |
| | | This is not just for Office 2000 files..
| | | Download it here..
| | |
| | |
| |
|
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...EE-3FBD-482C-83B0-96FB79B74DED&displaylang=en
| | |
| | | HTH
| | |
| | | Don
| | | ========================
| | | | | | | The problem is that I have a ton of large Word files that I had to
| | | | convert to FP, so I really had no choice. I used the "Save as Web
| | | | Page Filtered" option, then had to get rid of the problem where the
| | | | file will opn in Word instead of FP, so I right-clicked on the HTM
| | | | file and select "Open . . . in Frontpage", then edited the file to
| | | | remove the "div section" line and removed the large "style" section
at
| | | | the top - then finally saved it.
| | | |
| | | | This does remove the Word format characters - but I guess not all of
| | | | them. The only other way was a "Word-to-HTML" editor, which did not
| | | | do a good job. I realize I could save it to a text file and then
| | | | paste it into FP and re-edit it all - but these files are just too
| | | | long, and too many - plus they are full of inserted pics.
| | | |
| | | | On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 07:20:32 -0700, "Rick Budde"
| | | |
| | | | >If you are indeed using Word to create your content ...
| | | | >don't. If you do, you will continue to have problems and
| | | | >be frustrated.
| | | | >
| | | | >>-----Original Message-----
| | | | >>The CSS Word creates causes this.
| | | | >>You should remove all formatting from text that you copy
| | | | >and paste from
| | | | >>Word. Then use FP's formatting tools.
| | | | >>When you paste text from Word, you should choose Paste
| | | | >Special from the
| | | | >>edit menu and select text only or you can copy it to
| | | | >Notepad first and
| | | | >>then copy it from there to FP.
| | | | >>
| | | | >>Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
| | | | >>
| | | | >>> -----Original Message-----
| | | | >>> From: Keith [mailto:[email protected]]
| | | | >>> Posted At: 10. oktober 2004 13:04
| | | | >>> Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
| | | | >>> Conversation: Frontpage preview not WYSIWYG - Lines
| | | | >Mashed Together
| | | | >>> Subject: Frontpage preview not WYSIWYG - Lines Mashed
| | | | >Together
| | | | >>>
| | | | >>>
| | | | >>> I have forever had this problem. FP is not WYSIWYG !!
| | | | >>>
| | | | >>> The only "fix" is a kludge - I have to add additional
| | | | >line
| | | | >>> breaks - especially where I use Bold, Large headers -
| | | | > the
| | | | >>> Preview shows the lines mashed together and
| | | | >overlapping. It
| | | | >>> looks HORRIBLE !! Then when I publish the page, it is
| | | | >a lot
| | | | >>> better, but still does the mashing if the line is
| | | | >forced to
| | | | >>> go to a second line because it runs out of space.
| | | | >>>
| | | | >>> But when I publish - although they are still a bit too
| | | | >close
| | | | >>> together for what I expect - at least they do not
| | | | >overlap.
| | | | >>>
| | | | >>> Here is an example - I took 3 screenshots and placed
| | | | >them
| | | | >>> into one large GIF file for comparison - here is the
| | | | >file:
| | | | >>>
| | | | >>> www.infocellar.com/FPproblem.gif
| | | | >>>
| | | | >>> If you want to see the actual website with that page:
| | | | >>>
| | | | >>> http://www.infocellar.com/msoffice/index.htm and
| | | | >click on
| | | | >>> "Table of Contents" in the left Frame. You will see
| | | | >the line
| | | | >>> is forced to go to a second line because it has enough
| | | | >width
| | | | >>> on the page to stay as one line. And the two are
| | | | >mashed
| | | | >>> together slightly (but not as much as in FP preview).
| | | | >>>
| | | | >>> Now - the page all by itself, unframed looks OK
| | | | >because the
| | | | >>> line is NOT forced to go to a second line because it
| | | | >has
| | | | >>> enough width on the page to stay as one line.
| | | | >Shouldn't the
| | | | >>> IE browser realize the font is 24-point and then
| | | | >adjust the
| | | | >>> next line down appropriately?
| | | | >>> http://www.infocellar.com/msoffice/word-toc.htm
| | | | >>>
| | | | >>> Can anyone shed some light on this "Preview" problem?
| | | | >I am
| | | | >>> not getting WYSIWYG, like I should. Is it just a
| | | | >glitch in FP2000 ??
| | | | >>> Will I need to shell out the dough to upgrade? TIA
| | | | >>>
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[Wally S]

That's surely because there are photos on the page. I can't see what that
would have to do with using Word to edit. But my visitors like the photos,
and they don't complain about the download time. You're the first.

The home page sometimes gets extra coding (which I remove when I find it)
because I am always moving stuff around there and adding stuff, but the
articles don't get extra coding. They also load in a reasonable time, except
for the ones with large photos.

Wally S