frontpage should have intelisense for declaredjs object variables

D

DivXperience

for example when i build a javascript code in frontpage:
<script>
var x= new Image();
or x is already a declared object id or name
intelisense should react to "x."
and it doesn't
it only recognises built in objects
</script>
I really need and want this feature. It's the only thing missing.
I am using Frontpage 2003.

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Jens Peter Karlsen[FP-MVP]

Don't expect that to happen. Even Visual Studio don't have this.
I can't see it as much of a problem either. JavaScripts usually isn't
that long so it should be easy to remember the few variables you use
especially if you give them meaningful names instead of just X, Y or Z.
If you write ASP, the scripts are a bit longer but even that shouldn't
be a problem. I, with my bad memory, just delivered a smal program of
some 4-5000 lines of code without any problems with my variables.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.

-----Original Message-----
From: DivXperience [mailto:D[email protected]]
Posted At: 26. juni 2005 16:00
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.programming
Conversation: frontpage should have intelisense for declaredjs object
variables
Subject: frontpage should have intelisense for declaredjs object
variables


for example when i build a javascript code in frontpage:
<script>
var x= new Image();
or x is already a declared object id or name intelisense should react to
"x."
and it doesn't
it only recognises built in objects
</script>
I really need and want this feature. It's the only thing missing.
I am using Frontpage 2003.

----------------
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suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
"I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button,
follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based
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D

DivXperience

the problem is not the variable names but the variable's methods and
properties which i cannot actually remember. that's what intelisense is all
about isn't it? frontpage should know all my variables after i declare them
and when i add the "." it should show me their methods if the variable is and
object. You can see that all major visual programming enviroments have this
ability. It's very useful since i can only access the methods of major
already declared objects like document, window and so on...


hope u understand my point. regards Alex A.
 
J

Jens Peter Karlsen[FP-MVP]

Ok, that is another matter. However you should remember that when you
are talking about JavaScript/VBScript then you have no strong typing. FP
doesn't know what type a variable vil be before you actually use it.
That makes it hard to do any Intellisense. For instance if you declare
var X and then type X. expecting intellisense to kick in, it just isn't
going to happen because FP doesn't know what type it is. You may think
to yourself I'm gonna use it as a String but there is no way FP can know
that. To make matters worse it can be used as several types in the same
script (not advisable). With "real" programming languages like C#, C++
and the like it is much easier as these use strong typing.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.

-----Original Message-----
From: DivXperience [mailto:D[email protected]]
Posted At: 26. juni 2005 21:15
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.programming
Conversation: frontpage should have intelisense for declaredjs object
variables
Subject: Re: frontpage should have intelisense for declaredjs object
variab


the problem is not the variable names but the variable's methods and
properties which i cannot actually remember. that's what intelisense is
all about isn't it? frontpage should know all my variables after i
declare them and when i add the "." it should show me their methods if
the variable is and object. You can see that all major visual
programming enviroments have this ability. It's very useful since i can
only access the methods of major already declared objects like document,
window and so on...


hope u understand my point. regards Alex A.

Jens Peter Karlsen said:
Don't expect that to happen. Even Visual Studio don't have this.
I can't see it as much of a problem either. JavaScripts usually isn't
that long so it should be easy to remember the few variables you use
especially if you give them meaningful names instead of just X, Y or Z.
If you write ASP, the scripts are a bit longer but even that shouldn't
be a problem. I, with my bad memory, just delivered a smal program of
some 4-5000 lines of code without any problems with my variables.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.

-----Original Message-----
From: DivXperience [mailto:D[email protected]]
Posted At: 26. juni 2005 16:00
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.programming
Conversation: frontpage should have intelisense for declaredjs object
variables
Subject: frontpage should have intelisense for declaredjs object
variables


for example when i build a javascript code in frontpage:
<script>
var x= new Image();
or x is already a declared object id or name intelisense should react
to "x."
and it doesn't
it only recognises built in objects
</script>
I really need and want this feature. It's the only thing missing.
I am using Frontpage 2003.
 
D

DivXperience

If it could work with the iexplorer compiler it could actually get the
objects already declared and their types. The compiler cannot mix the types
as u said. There must be a way to do this. I've seen for example a plugin for
iexplorer that could show the structure of a html and all variables.
Thing is, I've been searching for this feature in all existing javascript
editors and none had it which i think is very important. I also think that
the <script> tag should be given a special attention inside the editor and be
compiled inline having an "as u type" structure created in a preview bar
shown in a preferably left or right corner of the main window. And for the
variables who have no type declared they should be specified and when i use
the "." it should show a Hint saying No type defined.
Sorry if you think i'm just dreaming but this would be something unique and
very useful, and i usually don't believe in impossible things :)

Sorry to bother u again. Alex A.

Jens Peter Karlsen said:
Ok, that is another matter. However you should remember that when you
are talking about JavaScript/VBScript then you have no strong typing. FP
doesn't know what type a variable vil be before you actually use it.
That makes it hard to do any Intellisense. For instance if you declare
var X and then type X. expecting intellisense to kick in, it just isn't
going to happen because FP doesn't know what type it is. You may think
to yourself I'm gonna use it as a String but there is no way FP can know
that. To make matters worse it can be used as several types in the same
script (not advisable). With "real" programming languages like C#, C++
and the like it is much easier as these use strong typing.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.

-----Original Message-----
From: DivXperience [mailto:D[email protected]]
Posted At: 26. juni 2005 21:15
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.programming
Conversation: frontpage should have intelisense for declaredjs object
variables
Subject: Re: frontpage should have intelisense for declaredjs object
variab


the problem is not the variable names but the variable's methods and
properties which i cannot actually remember. that's what intelisense is
all about isn't it? frontpage should know all my variables after i
declare them and when i add the "." it should show me their methods if
the variable is and object. You can see that all major visual
programming enviroments have this ability. It's very useful since i can
only access the methods of major already declared objects like document,
window and so on...


hope u understand my point. regards Alex A.

Jens Peter Karlsen said:
Don't expect that to happen. Even Visual Studio don't have this.
I can't see it as much of a problem either. JavaScripts usually isn't
that long so it should be easy to remember the few variables you use
especially if you give them meaningful names instead of just X, Y or Z.
If you write ASP, the scripts are a bit longer but even that shouldn't
be a problem. I, with my bad memory, just delivered a smal program of
some 4-5000 lines of code without any problems with my variables.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.

-----Original Message-----
From: DivXperience [mailto:D[email protected]]
Posted At: 26. juni 2005 16:00
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.programming
Conversation: frontpage should have intelisense for declaredjs object
variables
Subject: frontpage should have intelisense for declaredjs object
variables


for example when i build a javascript code in frontpage:
<script>
var x= new Image();
or x is already a declared object id or name intelisense should react
to "x."
and it doesn't
it only recognises built in objects
</script>
I really need and want this feature. It's the only thing missing.
I am using Frontpage 2003.
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Kevin Spencer

I can't help but make a few observations here. What we are talking about is
requirements, with regards to the development of the FrontPage software by
its developers. Requirements are the required functionality handed down to
the developers by the designers and architects.The designers and architects
develop requirements based upon the overall demand for such by the customer
base. This is generally done by getting input from people through various
channels, such as this newsgroup. Requirements cost money to develop.
Therefore, if there is sufficient demand for a given feature, the designers
and architects create a requirement for that feature. If there is not, the
feature is deemed to be "unprofitable" and is not required. Simple
economics.

So, you're talking about a feature that you would like to see in FrontPage.
There is no "should" about it. There is a "want" about it. Your want. You
want it.

Now, I couldn't help but notice that you said "I've been searching for this
feature in all existing javascript editors and none had it which i think is
very important." What I noticed is the phrase "none had it." This leads me
to believe that there is simply no great demand for it in HTML development
toolkits. There are software development toolkits that do support it, such
as Microsoft Visual Studio.Net. You can use MS VS.Net with Internet Explorer
to work with JavaScript in an HTML document all day long. You can set
breakpoints, do watches, etc. in Visual Studio.Net with Internet Explorer.

So, here's my theory: There has not been a great demand from the customer
base for this sort of functionality in FrontPage. Therefore, it is not
likely that this feature will be included in the near future.

That said, as I mentioned, MS does read these newsgroups, so consider your
request posted.

--
HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
Ambiguity has a certain quality to it.

DivXperience said:
If it could work with the iexplorer compiler it could actually get the
objects already declared and their types. The compiler cannot mix the
types
as u said. There must be a way to do this. I've seen for example a plugin
for
iexplorer that could show the structure of a html and all variables.
Thing is, I've been searching for this feature in all existing javascript
editors and none had it which i think is very important. I also think that
the <script> tag should be given a special attention inside the editor and
be
compiled inline having an "as u type" structure created in a preview bar
shown in a preferably left or right corner of the main window. And for the
variables who have no type declared they should be specified and when i
use
the "." it should show a Hint saying No type defined.
Sorry if you think i'm just dreaming but this would be something unique
and
very useful, and i usually don't believe in impossible things :)

Sorry to bother u again. Alex A.

Jens Peter Karlsen said:
Ok, that is another matter. However you should remember that when you
are talking about JavaScript/VBScript then you have no strong typing. FP
doesn't know what type a variable vil be before you actually use it.
That makes it hard to do any Intellisense. For instance if you declare
var X and then type X. expecting intellisense to kick in, it just isn't
going to happen because FP doesn't know what type it is. You may think
to yourself I'm gonna use it as a String but there is no way FP can know
that. To make matters worse it can be used as several types in the same
script (not advisable). With "real" programming languages like C#, C++
and the like it is much easier as these use strong typing.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.

-----Original Message-----
From: DivXperience [mailto:D[email protected]]
Posted At: 26. juni 2005 21:15
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.programming
Conversation: frontpage should have intelisense for declaredjs object
variables
Subject: Re: frontpage should have intelisense for declaredjs object
variab


the problem is not the variable names but the variable's methods and
properties which i cannot actually remember. that's what intelisense is
all about isn't it? frontpage should know all my variables after i
declare them and when i add the "." it should show me their methods if
the variable is and object. You can see that all major visual
programming enviroments have this ability. It's very useful since i can
only access the methods of major already declared objects like document,
window and so on...


hope u understand my point. regards Alex A.

Jens Peter Karlsen said:
Don't expect that to happen. Even Visual Studio don't have this.
I can't see it as much of a problem either. JavaScripts usually isn't
that long so it should be easy to remember the few variables you use
especially if you give them meaningful names instead of just X, Y or Z.
If you write ASP, the scripts are a bit longer but even that shouldn't
be a problem. I, with my bad memory, just delivered a smal program of
some 4-5000 lines of code without any problems with my variables.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.

-----Original Message-----
From: DivXperience [mailto:D[email protected]]
Posted At: 26. juni 2005 16:00
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.programming
Conversation: frontpage should have intelisense for declaredjs object
variables
Subject: frontpage should have intelisense for declaredjs object
variables


for example when i build a javascript code in frontpage:
<script>
var x= new Image();
or x is already a declared object id or name intelisense should react
to "x."
and it doesn't
it only recognises built in objects
</script>
I really need and want this feature. It's the only thing missing.
I am using Frontpage 2003.
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the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the
button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft
Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane.

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DivXperience

i was just trying to make a suggestion on how to improve FrontPage and i see
money is always a problem. thanks for the tip with VS.Net. won't be bothering
u anymore.
Regards Alex

Kevin Spencer said:
I can't help but make a few observations here. What we are talking about is
requirements, with regards to the development of the FrontPage software by
its developers. Requirements are the required functionality handed down to
the developers by the designers and architects.The designers and architects
develop requirements based upon the overall demand for such by the customer
base. This is generally done by getting input from people through various
channels, such as this newsgroup. Requirements cost money to develop.
Therefore, if there is sufficient demand for a given feature, the designers
and architects create a requirement for that feature. If there is not, the
feature is deemed to be "unprofitable" and is not required. Simple
economics.

So, you're talking about a feature that you would like to see in FrontPage.
There is no "should" about it. There is a "want" about it. Your want. You
want it.

Now, I couldn't help but notice that you said "I've been searching for this
feature in all existing javascript editors and none had it which i think is
very important." What I noticed is the phrase "none had it." This leads me
to believe that there is simply no great demand for it in HTML development
toolkits. There are software development toolkits that do support it, such
as Microsoft Visual Studio.Net. You can use MS VS.Net with Internet Explorer
to work with JavaScript in an HTML document all day long. You can set
breakpoints, do watches, etc. in Visual Studio.Net with Internet Explorer.

So, here's my theory: There has not been a great demand from the customer
base for this sort of functionality in FrontPage. Therefore, it is not
likely that this feature will be included in the near future.

That said, as I mentioned, MS does read these newsgroups, so consider your
request posted.

--
HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
Ambiguity has a certain quality to it.

DivXperience said:
If it could work with the iexplorer compiler it could actually get the
objects already declared and their types. The compiler cannot mix the
types
as u said. There must be a way to do this. I've seen for example a plugin
for
iexplorer that could show the structure of a html and all variables.
Thing is, I've been searching for this feature in all existing javascript
editors and none had it which i think is very important. I also think that
the <script> tag should be given a special attention inside the editor and
be
compiled inline having an "as u type" structure created in a preview bar
shown in a preferably left or right corner of the main window. And for the
variables who have no type declared they should be specified and when i
use
the "." it should show a Hint saying No type defined.
Sorry if you think i'm just dreaming but this would be something unique
and
very useful, and i usually don't believe in impossible things :)

Sorry to bother u again. Alex A.

Jens Peter Karlsen said:
Ok, that is another matter. However you should remember that when you
are talking about JavaScript/VBScript then you have no strong typing. FP
doesn't know what type a variable vil be before you actually use it.
That makes it hard to do any Intellisense. For instance if you declare
var X and then type X. expecting intellisense to kick in, it just isn't
going to happen because FP doesn't know what type it is. You may think
to yourself I'm gonna use it as a String but there is no way FP can know
that. To make matters worse it can be used as several types in the same
script (not advisable). With "real" programming languages like C#, C++
and the like it is much easier as these use strong typing.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.

-----Original Message-----
From: DivXperience [mailto:D[email protected]]
Posted At: 26. juni 2005 21:15
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.programming
Conversation: frontpage should have intelisense for declaredjs object
variables
Subject: Re: frontpage should have intelisense for declaredjs object
variab


the problem is not the variable names but the variable's methods and
properties which i cannot actually remember. that's what intelisense is
all about isn't it? frontpage should know all my variables after i
declare them and when i add the "." it should show me their methods if
the variable is and object. You can see that all major visual
programming enviroments have this ability. It's very useful since i can
only access the methods of major already declared objects like document,
window and so on...


hope u understand my point. regards Alex A.

:

Don't expect that to happen. Even Visual Studio don't have this.
I can't see it as much of a problem either. JavaScripts usually isn't
that long so it should be easy to remember the few variables you use
especially if you give them meaningful names instead of just X, Y or
Z.
If you write ASP, the scripts are a bit longer but even that shouldn't

be a problem. I, with my bad memory, just delivered a smal program of
some 4-5000 lines of code without any problems with my variables.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.

-----Original Message-----
From: DivXperience [mailto:D[email protected]]
Posted At: 26. juni 2005 16:00
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.programming
Conversation: frontpage should have intelisense for declaredjs object
variables
Subject: frontpage should have intelisense for declaredjs object
variables


for example when i build a javascript code in frontpage:
<script>
var x= new Image();
or x is already a declared object id or name intelisense should react
to "x."
and it doesn't
it only recognises built in objects
</script>
I really need and want this feature. It's the only thing missing.
I am using Frontpage 2003.

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K

Kevin Spencer

It's no bother. As I said, MS does read these newsgroups. So, posting a
suggestion is always welcome. :)

--
HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
Ambiguity has a certain quality to it.

DivXperience said:
i was just trying to make a suggestion on how to improve FrontPage and i
see
money is always a problem. thanks for the tip with VS.Net. won't be
bothering
u anymore.
Regards Alex

Kevin Spencer said:
I can't help but make a few observations here. What we are talking about
is
requirements, with regards to the development of the FrontPage software
by
its developers. Requirements are the required functionality handed down
to
the developers by the designers and architects.The designers and
architects
develop requirements based upon the overall demand for such by the
customer
base. This is generally done by getting input from people through various
channels, such as this newsgroup. Requirements cost money to develop.
Therefore, if there is sufficient demand for a given feature, the
designers
and architects create a requirement for that feature. If there is not,
the
feature is deemed to be "unprofitable" and is not required. Simple
economics.

So, you're talking about a feature that you would like to see in
FrontPage.
There is no "should" about it. There is a "want" about it. Your want. You
want it.

Now, I couldn't help but notice that you said "I've been searching for
this
feature in all existing javascript editors and none had it which i think
is
very important." What I noticed is the phrase "none had it." This leads
me
to believe that there is simply no great demand for it in HTML
development
toolkits. There are software development toolkits that do support it,
such
as Microsoft Visual Studio.Net. You can use MS VS.Net with Internet
Explorer
to work with JavaScript in an HTML document all day long. You can set
breakpoints, do watches, etc. in Visual Studio.Net with Internet
Explorer.

So, here's my theory: There has not been a great demand from the customer
base for this sort of functionality in FrontPage. Therefore, it is not
likely that this feature will be included in the near future.

That said, as I mentioned, MS does read these newsgroups, so consider
your
request posted.

--
HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
Ambiguity has a certain quality to it.

DivXperience said:
If it could work with the iexplorer compiler it could actually get the
objects already declared and their types. The compiler cannot mix the
types
as u said. There must be a way to do this. I've seen for example a
plugin
for
iexplorer that could show the structure of a html and all variables.
Thing is, I've been searching for this feature in all existing
javascript
editors and none had it which i think is very important. I also think
that
the <script> tag should be given a special attention inside the editor
and
be
compiled inline having an "as u type" structure created in a preview
bar
shown in a preferably left or right corner of the main window. And for
the
variables who have no type declared they should be specified and when i
use
the "." it should show a Hint saying No type defined.
Sorry if you think i'm just dreaming but this would be something unique
and
very useful, and i usually don't believe in impossible things :)

Sorry to bother u again. Alex A.

:

Ok, that is another matter. However you should remember that when you
are talking about JavaScript/VBScript then you have no strong typing.
FP
doesn't know what type a variable vil be before you actually use it.
That makes it hard to do any Intellisense. For instance if you declare
var X and then type X. expecting intellisense to kick in, it just
isn't
going to happen because FP doesn't know what type it is. You may think
to yourself I'm gonna use it as a String but there is no way FP can
know
that. To make matters worse it can be used as several types in the
same
script (not advisable). With "real" programming languages like C#, C++
and the like it is much easier as these use strong typing.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.

-----Original Message-----
From: DivXperience [mailto:D[email protected]]
Posted At: 26. juni 2005 21:15
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.programming
Conversation: frontpage should have intelisense for declaredjs object
variables
Subject: Re: frontpage should have intelisense for declaredjs object
variab


the problem is not the variable names but the variable's methods and
properties which i cannot actually remember. that's what intelisense
is
all about isn't it? frontpage should know all my variables after i
declare them and when i add the "." it should show me their methods if
the variable is and object. You can see that all major visual
programming enviroments have this ability. It's very useful since i
can
only access the methods of major already declared objects like
document,
window and so on...


hope u understand my point. regards Alex A.

:

Don't expect that to happen. Even Visual Studio don't have this.
I can't see it as much of a problem either. JavaScripts usually
isn't
that long so it should be easy to remember the few variables you use
especially if you give them meaningful names instead of just X, Y or
Z.
If you write ASP, the scripts are a bit longer but even that
shouldn't

be a problem. I, with my bad memory, just delivered a smal program
of
some 4-5000 lines of code without any problems with my variables.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.

-----Original Message-----
From: DivXperience [mailto:D[email protected]]
Posted At: 26. juni 2005 16:00
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.programming
Conversation: frontpage should have intelisense for declaredjs
object
variables
Subject: frontpage should have intelisense for declaredjs object
variables


for example when i build a javascript code in frontpage:
<script>
var x= new Image();
or x is already a declared object id or name intelisense should
react
to "x."
and it doesn't
it only recognises built in objects
</script>
I really need and want this feature. It's the only thing missing.
I am using Frontpage 2003.

----------------
This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to
the

suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click
the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the
button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft
Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane.

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DivXperience

i wasn't just considering myself when i posted this. i just said a unique and
useful feature. maybe i'll contact other developers that have this kind of
applications.

i'm out...

Kevin Spencer said:
It's no bother. As I said, MS does read these newsgroups. So, posting a
suggestion is always welcome. :)

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Ambiguity has a certain quality to it.

DivXperience said:
i was just trying to make a suggestion on how to improve FrontPage and i
see
money is always a problem. thanks for the tip with VS.Net. won't be
bothering
u anymore.
Regards Alex

Kevin Spencer said:
I can't help but make a few observations here. What we are talking about
is
requirements, with regards to the development of the FrontPage software
by
its developers. Requirements are the required functionality handed down
to
the developers by the designers and architects.The designers and
architects
develop requirements based upon the overall demand for such by the
customer
base. This is generally done by getting input from people through various
channels, such as this newsgroup. Requirements cost money to develop.
Therefore, if there is sufficient demand for a given feature, the
designers
and architects create a requirement for that feature. If there is not,
the
feature is deemed to be "unprofitable" and is not required. Simple
economics.

So, you're talking about a feature that you would like to see in
FrontPage.
There is no "should" about it. There is a "want" about it. Your want. You
want it.

Now, I couldn't help but notice that you said "I've been searching for
this
feature in all existing javascript editors and none had it which i think
is
very important." What I noticed is the phrase "none had it." This leads
me
to believe that there is simply no great demand for it in HTML
development
toolkits. There are software development toolkits that do support it,
such
as Microsoft Visual Studio.Net. You can use MS VS.Net with Internet
Explorer
to work with JavaScript in an HTML document all day long. You can set
breakpoints, do watches, etc. in Visual Studio.Net with Internet
Explorer.

So, here's my theory: There has not been a great demand from the customer
base for this sort of functionality in FrontPage. Therefore, it is not
likely that this feature will be included in the near future.

That said, as I mentioned, MS does read these newsgroups, so consider
your
request posted.

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Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
Ambiguity has a certain quality to it.

If it could work with the iexplorer compiler it could actually get the
objects already declared and their types. The compiler cannot mix the
types
as u said. There must be a way to do this. I've seen for example a
plugin
for
iexplorer that could show the structure of a html and all variables.
Thing is, I've been searching for this feature in all existing
javascript
editors and none had it which i think is very important. I also think
that
the <script> tag should be given a special attention inside the editor
and
be
compiled inline having an "as u type" structure created in a preview
bar
shown in a preferably left or right corner of the main window. And for
the
variables who have no type declared they should be specified and when i
use
the "." it should show a Hint saying No type defined.
Sorry if you think i'm just dreaming but this would be something unique
and
very useful, and i usually don't believe in impossible things :)

Sorry to bother u again. Alex A.

:

Ok, that is another matter. However you should remember that when you
are talking about JavaScript/VBScript then you have no strong typing.
FP
doesn't know what type a variable vil be before you actually use it.
That makes it hard to do any Intellisense. For instance if you declare
var X and then type X. expecting intellisense to kick in, it just
isn't
going to happen because FP doesn't know what type it is. You may think
to yourself I'm gonna use it as a String but there is no way FP can
know
that. To make matters worse it can be used as several types in the
same
script (not advisable). With "real" programming languages like C#, C++
and the like it is much easier as these use strong typing.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.

-----Original Message-----
From: DivXperience [mailto:D[email protected]]
Posted At: 26. juni 2005 21:15
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.programming
Conversation: frontpage should have intelisense for declaredjs object
variables
Subject: Re: frontpage should have intelisense for declaredjs object
variab


the problem is not the variable names but the variable's methods and
properties which i cannot actually remember. that's what intelisense
is
all about isn't it? frontpage should know all my variables after i
declare them and when i add the "." it should show me their methods if
the variable is and object. You can see that all major visual
programming enviroments have this ability. It's very useful since i
can
only access the methods of major already declared objects like
document,
window and so on...


hope u understand my point. regards Alex A.

:

Don't expect that to happen. Even Visual Studio don't have this.
I can't see it as much of a problem either. JavaScripts usually
isn't
that long so it should be easy to remember the few variables you use
especially if you give them meaningful names instead of just X, Y or
Z.
If you write ASP, the scripts are a bit longer but even that
shouldn't

be a problem. I, with my bad memory, just delivered a smal program
of
some 4-5000 lines of code without any problems with my variables.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.

-----Original Message-----
From: DivXperience [mailto:D[email protected]]
Posted At: 26. juni 2005 16:00
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.programming
Conversation: frontpage should have intelisense for declaredjs
object
variables
Subject: frontpage should have intelisense for declaredjs object
variables


for example when i build a javascript code in frontpage:
<script>
var x= new Image();
or x is already a declared object id or name intelisense should
react
to "x."
and it doesn't
it only recognises built in objects
</script>
I really need and want this feature. It's the only thing missing.
I am using Frontpage 2003.

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