Frontpage still doesn't like me

[Ryan]

Frontpage doesn't like me.... plain and simple. Maybe someone can help.
I'm trying to modify or recreate my wss site structure with custom template
but frontage is making things very difficult for me.

Why is it that when I resize certain cells the whole page gets messed
up? How do I make cells that won't change and how do I make cells that I can
tag to the right ede of the screen so they stay at the right edge when I
resize the browser? Some of the cells won't grow or shrink and some seem to
affect the whole page size even though they may be just a simple cell in the
middle of the page. This is driving me crazy. Why is Frontpage this
user-unfriendly. By the way, I'm trying to do all the design in Frontpage
2003 to WSS sites hosted on an SBS 2003 premium box.

In Firefox:
backgroud images are a bit off center
links on left menu are underlined
wordart "sudbury canoe club" title is pixelated (but I can convert that to a
jpg if no other solution"

In IE and Firefox:
Search field cells, "up to <root>" link, and "modify shared page/sign in
button" won't stick to right edge of screen (meaning I want them to stay
glued to the right edge even if I increase the browser window size. right
now I'm in 1280x800)
Subpages like Shared documents and documents and lists aren't using the same
template the main page is using. How do I make all pages underneath a site
use the same template?

I created this template from scratch and pasted in components from a blank
team site. Everything seemed alright until I started adding sharepoint
components. I've tried modifying default team site pages but get similar
unexpected results. The template was saved using the browser and I've
created a new subsite using the template so you can see what I'm talking
about ( http://projects.lloydresearch.com/template2/default.aspx )

 

[Chris Leeds, MVP-FrontPage]

Hi Ryan,
I got a page not found when I followed your link.
in short though almost everything you mentioned could be addressed with a
bit more of an understanding of table/ cell properties and a little .css.
I guarantee FrontPage doesn't dislike you.

--
Chris Leeds,
Microsoft MVP-FrontPage

ContentSeed: great tool for web masters,
a fantastic convenience for site owners.
http://contentseed.com/

 

[Stefan B Rusynko]

Your URL is not found at the link you provided
1) Word art is only support by IE (w/ marginal images for other browsers), so use an image not word art
2) You need to lay out you page in tables and set the web part properties to control alignment of them
3) Apply a theme to your site / page for them all to have the same feel/look in WSS
(but many web parts (shared docs, etc) have a unique structure so they will never look like your "template"



| Frontpage doesn't like me.... plain and simple. Maybe someone can help.
| I'm trying to modify or recreate my wss site structure with custom template
| but frontage is making things very difficult for me.
|
| Why is it that when I resize certain cells the whole page gets messed
| up? How do I make cells that won't change and how do I make cells that I can
| tag to the right ede of the screen so they stay at the right edge when I
| resize the browser? Some of the cells won't grow or shrink and some seem to
| affect the whole page size even though they may be just a simple cell in the
| middle of the page. This is driving me crazy. Why is Frontpage this
| user-unfriendly. By the way, I'm trying to do all the design in Frontpage
| 2003 to WSS sites hosted on an SBS 2003 premium box.
|
| In Firefox:
| backgroud images are a bit off center
| links on left menu are underlined
| wordart "sudbury canoe club" title is pixelated (but I can convert that to a
| jpg if no other solution"
|
| In IE and Firefox:
| Search field cells, "up to <root>" link, and "modify shared page/sign in
| button" won't stick to right edge of screen (meaning I want them to stay
| glued to the right edge even if I increase the browser window size. right
| now I'm in 1280x800)
| Subpages like Shared documents and documents and lists aren't using the same
| template the main page is using. How do I make all pages underneath a site
| use the same template?
|
| I created this template from scratch and pasted in components from a blank
| team site. Everything seemed alright until I started adding sharepoint
| components. I've tried modifying default team site pages but get similar
| unexpected results. The template was saved using the browser and I've
| created a new subsite using the template so you can see what I'm talking
| about ( http://projects.lloydresearch.com/template2/default.aspx )
|
|

 

[Ryan]

My page is set up using tables already. I have quite a bit of cells to set
the layout of my page but some cells aren't taking the dimensions or
locations I want them to.

Sorry about the link. The server stops responding after a while and a
reboot seems to resolve that, but I'll worry about that once we move over to
that server. The link should work now.
http://projects.lloydresearch.com/template2/default.aspx

I'll try to make this a bit easier by numbering my questions

1) How do I make a cell grab the right edge of the screen and stay on the
right edge even if I resize the browser?

2) Why is it some cells won't change to the dimensions I enter on the cell
properties/formatting?

3) Which is better, tables or layers?

4) I want sub-sharepoint pages like shared documents to use the same
template. Is this at all possible, and is there a way I can convert my
template to a theme instead, or would that not work either?

5) I know you can set the dimensions for table cells, but is there a way to
set the pixel location on the page?

6) Anyone know how I can get IE and Firefox to give me the same results?

 

[Stefan B Rusynko]

Too many sins of design (by user not FP) to enumerate

Your page margins in the body tag are not set to 0 (except for Netscape) as you only have:
<body marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" scroll="yes">
Your problem tags are in a fixed width table - instead of a 100% width table as:
<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="1037" height="73" border="1">
None of the cells you claim to have problems aligning to the right have cell properties set to align=right. You only have for the
Sign In button
<td class=ms-banner width="8%" nowrap ID="HBN100" bordercolor="#444444" bgcolor="#444444">
<input type="submit" name value="Sign In" class="UserButton" onclick="MSOWebPartPage_SignIn();" />
</td>
And your search form has an extra empty cell after it which will prevent right alignment as:
<td class='ms-searchform'>&nbsp;</td>
Your use of unnecessary absolute positioning inside of a table doesn't help your layout at all
(plus don't Word Art since it is also absolutely positioned and is only supported in IE)

And so on...



| My page is set up using tables already. I have quite a bit of cells to set
| the layout of my page but some cells aren't taking the dimensions or
| locations I want them to.
|
| Sorry about the link. The server stops responding after a while and a
| reboot seems to resolve that, but I'll worry about that once we move over to
| that server. The link should work now.
| http://projects.lloydresearch.com/template2/default.aspx
|
| I'll try to make this a bit easier by numbering my questions
|
| 1) How do I make a cell grab the right edge of the screen and stay on the
| right edge even if I resize the browser?
|
| 2) Why is it some cells won't change to the dimensions I enter on the cell
| properties/formatting?
|
| 3) Which is better, tables or layers?
|
| 4) I want sub-sharepoint pages like shared documents to use the same
| template. Is this at all possible, and is there a way I can convert my
| template to a theme instead, or would that not work either?
|
| 5) I know you can set the dimensions for table cells, but is there a way to
| set the pixel location on the page?
|
| 6) Anyone know how I can get IE and Firefox to give me the same results?

 

[Bob Lehmann]

6) Anyone know how I can get IE and Firefox to give me the same results?
Get MicroSoft to allow the Firefox developers to help them get it right.

Bob Lehmann

 

[Mike Walsh]

Get MicroSoft to allow the Firefox developers to help them get it right.

or vice-versa ...

With Firefox not supporting ActiveX it's never going to be possible to get
the same functionality but I agree it would be nice (but very unexpected)
for pages to look the same in both.

Have a look at www.wssfaq.com with both browsers to see why I'd like it to
be so (and, yes, it was following several FP changes that I checked only in
IE 6.x)

Mike Walsh, Helsinki, Finland
WSS FAQ at http://wss.collutions.com
Please reply to the newsgroup

 

[Bob Lehmann]

or vice-versa ...
Why would any modern browser maker want to cripple their product with 5+
years-old technology?
Along with every other browser except IE. I, and many others, would not
allow the download of ActiveX controls even when using IE.
Your failure to correctly use HTML & CSS to display your content, and then
follow up by not properly testing, isn't the fault of the browser.

Bob Lehmann

 

[Mike Walsh]

As you seem to know it all, do you want to suggest some *specific* changes
to the code to make it look the same in both browsers ?

"failure to correctly use HTML & CSS" without specific examples doesn't cut
it.

I did properly test. The mistake was to test only in the browser that at the
time I made the changes had 95% of the market.

Mike Walsh, Helsinki, Finland

 

[marika]

I guarantee FrontPage doesn't dislike you.

It's really nice to know
when the good guys win. Now, have fun spending THAT NEW paycheck.

mk5000

"Another day ruined
Can't say things couldn't be worse
Because they usually can and do.
7 days a week"--Uncurable Messed Up Again by Amanda Depew