FTP vs PUB

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Beyon

I use PUB2002. I have always used WSFTP for uploading files to site. In
speaking with my service provider Tech about a problem, he mentioned that PUB
doesn't always work well with FTP programs. He reccomended I use PUB to
transfer the files to reduce risk of corruption. I had to leave so I wasnt
able to get any more info on this. I have never seen an "ftp" or file
transfer option anywhere. Did I miss something in teaching myself how to use
the program, and if so how do I do this?

Thanks

PS I dont know who DavidF is, but he sure knows a lot. Very smart and helpful.
 
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Don Schmidt

I use Publisher 2000 for my website for over five years and 'haven't had any
problems uploading using a ftp. The pub file doesn't need to be uploaded,
only the html and image files which shouldn't cause any problems. A great
ftp is FileZilla version 2.2.32 and is the best version. Version 3 is out
and must be under development for it lacks some of the functions of version
2.2.32.

Yes, DavidF is one of the Champ helpers on this ng. Add Mary, JoAnn, Mike,
John, Ed and Rob to that A team list.
 
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Beyon

Don
I used PUB2000 for years as well but recently switched to PUB02. It really
took getting used to the way PUB02 transfers the pub file to html. I had to
change some stuff around but got through it ok. PUB2000 doesn't create an
"index files" folder like 02 does. Any way.... I am still having a problem
and thought that the whole FTP thing might have caused it. I have a November
newsletter page (auglaizeacres.com) that regardless of how many times I
change the hyperlink, it keeps directing to last months newsletter page. I
think its the Activities link. Its funny because I have to hyperlink the
verbage and the icon beside it. The icon hyperlink works but not the verbage
hyperlink. Any ideas?
Thanks
 
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Beyon

Mike,
What you have posted is correct. Keep in mind that what I call "Page 4" on
the front page/Dir is directed to "page 0003.htm", because thats how PUB2002
created the pages. page 5 and 13 are my problems. They direct to
http://www.auglaizeacres.com/NEWSLETTER/OCT07_files/page0004.htm instead of
http://www.auglaizeacres.com/NEWSLETTER/NOVEMBER 07_files/page0004.htm
like I keep hyperlinking it to. The same with page 13, it directs to the
/OCT07_files dir. I've been keeping the old directories on the server because
on of these days I want to add the option of looking at past publications of
the newsletter.
Thanks
 
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DavidF

Beyon,

Thanks for the compliments, but just like you I am still learning too. Two
things I learned recently was that you should not use incremental uploading
with FTP, and that IE 7 does not support FTP uploading in the way that IE6
did..these might be what your webhost was talking about. But like Don, I
have used FTP without problems to upload websites of every version of
Publisher....except 2002. It is the one version that I haven't loaded on my
computers. I don't think your problems are because of FTP uploading. You
should be able to keep using WSFTP.

I started here: http://www.auglaizeacres.com/AAWeb_files/page0004.htm . You
mentioned that you are having trouble with Page 5 not going to November.
Load the page and mouseover the link Page5: Activities, and look at the
status bar, and you will see the link is to:
http://www.auglaizeacres.com/NEWSLETTER/OCT07_files/page0004.htm
Or in other words the link is working as written...it is taking you to the
October activity page...not November. So the short term answer to your
question is to redo the link...and how to do that seems to be your primary
question.

Try selecting the text and the icon > insert > Hyperlink, and when the edit
hyperlink dialog comes up, *remove* the hyperlink instead of trying to
change it or adding a new one. Then ungroup the icon and the text, and
select the icon again > insert > hyperlink and once again, if there is an
existing hyperlink, remove it. I doubt that you need to have the icon
hyperlinked, so now that both the icon and the text have been ungrouped and
the hyperlinks removed, you should be able to select just your text > insert
Hyperlink and insert the correct link to your November content. It should
"take" this time. You should be able to do a web page preview and mouseover
the link to confirm it has been changed to what you want. Note that while
you are on that page you should also ungroup all the icon/text groups
whether the links work or not to help address Mike's comment about the links
not working in Mozilla. Grouping the icon and the text kills the link in
FireFox and other browsers...at least in Pub 2003 and 2007.

I don't think Pub 2002 has incremental uploading, but that could also
explain part of your problem. Go to Tools > Options > web tab and make sure
that you either don't have incremental uploading, or that it isn't checked.
And while you are there, make note of the different options you do have. If
you have them, uncheck "Rely on VML..." and "Allow PNG..." along with
incremental uploading. Changing these two options will also help with the
cross browser issue that Mike talked about.

Also, be careful about how you write the links. Notice in
http://www.auglaizeacres.com/NEWSLETTER/NOVEMBER 07_files/page0003.htm
you get a % as part of the link? That is a space between NOVEMBER and 2007.
Try to avoid spaces...use underscores if you must.

After you get the links fixed, you may need to delete you old html files on
your webhost before you upload new. Sometimes files do not get overwritten
as you would expect.

The longer answer...while I was trying to figure out your link issue, I also
noted some other issues.

If you load http://www.auglaizeacres.com/AAWeb_files/page0004.htm again, and
click on your Home page link in the main navbar, then it takes you to:
http://www.auglaizeacres.com/AAWeb.htm (which doesn't actually exist)
instead of your actual home page: http://www.auglaizeacres.com/
I think in the process of trying to use the convoluted file naming system of
Pub 2002, and saving old html content, you have probably corrupted your main
navbar, and that needs to be fixed, and perhaps rebuilt.

Part of the reason I don't have 2002 loaded is it is my least favorite
version. Publisher was "adopted" into the Office family in 2002, and in my
opinion, MSFT really messed up. They changed the coding engine and a bunch
of other things from Publisher 2000 and almost crippled the program for web
building. In case you haven't read this, you need to take the time to read
this article by David Bartosik: Web Publication Changes Made in Version 2002
of Publisher:
http://msmvps.com/blogs/dbartosik/pages/81262.aspx

There is some important information there. Among other things, you are
producing your html files incorrectly. Having come from Pub 2000 you are
used to doing a "Save As a Web Page" to create your html files. In Pub 2002,
if you Save As a Web page, you produce "Rich" or "heavy" html code which has
various Office tags and other "stuff" (that's a technical term ;-), the file
size is huge and the loading time takes forever. Your home page at
http://www.auglaizeacres.com/ is written this way. What you want to do is
to produce "filtered" html, which is much lighter and faster loading.

In the article I reference above, David talks about the need to have SP1
installed in Publisher, and how to check your version. Assuming you are
patched to SP1 at least, then you will use File > Export As to produce your
filtered files. Read David's article...he explains this in more detail.
Understand what David is saying here, and you may begin to see that moving
back to Pub 2000 for your web building, and keeping 2002 for print might be
a good idea. You can run both on the same computer.

The main things I see wrong are probably because of the way Pub 2002 works
and how you are trying to keep back issues of your newsletters. A good idea,
but given the way Pub 2002 works, it is hard to write links correctly, and
that is part of your problem. I think you need to rethink the way you have
your directory organized.

Bottom line, in the long term, assuming that you have all the original
Publisher files for all the pages on your site, I would step back and
rethink your directory and how you have it organized. Regardless of whether
you roll back to Pub 2000 or stay with Pub 2002, I would suggest that you
break your site up, and build it with multiple Publisher files, using
multiple subfolders on your website directory. I know that sounds
complicated, but honestly it will be less complicated than what you are
trying to do now. The way you are doing it now, it is just too hard to not
make mistakes on the links when you write them and keep things organized as
you keep and add new pages and content.

So, read: Building a web site with multiple Publisher web publication files:
http://msmvps.com/blogs/dbartosik/archive/2006/01/16/81264.aspx
David discusses the approach and one way of doing it.

Personally, I find using multiple Pub files to build a site much easier to
manage once you start trying to save old content like you are doing.
However, I would approach it a bit different than how David suggests. If you
want to pursue this, I would be happy to suggest how I would do it, but at
this point I just think it is important to consider this as you repair the
issues with your site. I would also consider this if you contemplate moving
back to Pub 2000.

There is so much not to like about how Pub 2002 was changed from Pub 2000,
that if you have access to Pub 2000, I would suggest that you seriously
consider going back to it. Being able to choose custom names for the files,
having variable length pages, much smaller file sizes and pages that load
twice as fast as 2002, having code that has much better cross browser
support, Pub 2000 automatically resamples oversized images and Pub 2002 does
not...are just a few of the reasons. If you don't have access to Pub 2000,
then you can make Pub 2002 work...it is just harder to work with.

All of this is way beyond the scope of your original question about how to
get the link to point to the correct page. If that is the only issue you
have time to deal with, then you can fix that as I described at the first of
this response. However, I couldn't just ignore the other issues. If you want
to pursue any of the other ideas I have suggested, post back and I can
provide more details.

DavidF
 
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Beyon

David,Let me start by saying WOW!! thats a lot of information, and thanks for
taking the time for all of it. And I can honestly say it all makes sense..it
wasnt over my head at all, which kind of scares me..LOL.

"should not use incremental uploading with FTP, and that IE 7 does not
support FTP uploading in the way that IE6 did."

I will check my settings, Thanks

"I have used FTP without problems to upload websites"

I didnt think I had problems with FTP until the Tech said it may be causing
the problem,

"redo the link..."

I had done this 4-5 times but I didnt ungroup and remove hyperlink. I will
follow your reccommendation and see how it goes.

"Note that while you are on that page you should also ungroup all the
icon/text groups"

I didnt realize other browsers had a problem, so I will ungroup the links.

"Also, be careful about how you write the links. You get a % as part of the
link. That is a space between NOVEMBER and 2007. Try to avoid spaces...use
underscores"

PUB added the spaces when I created the site. I didnt know it was a problem,
so I will fix it.

"you may need to delete you old html files on your webhost before you upload
new."

That is always my first step before uploading is to delete all old files in
the Dir I am updating. I had a prob early on with the browser looking at old
files and I learned to delete.

"If you load http://www.auglaizeacres.com/AAWeb_files/page0004.htm again, and
click on your Home page link in the main navbar, then it takes you to:
http://www.auglaizeacres.com/AAWeb.htm (which doesn't actually exist)
instead of your actual home page: http://www.auglaizeacres.com/"

This happens because when I "create a web site" from my orig PUB file, it
creates AAWeb.htm and a dir called AAWeb_Files. I change the file AAWeb.htm
to index.htm. I didnt realize that there were links within the web page that
I hadnt pointed towards index.htm. I will look into that.

"What you want to do is to produce "filtered" html, which is much lighter
and faster loading."

I didnt know there was such a thing. If I keep PUB02, I will modify this.


You may begin to see that moving back to Pub 2000 for your web building, and
keeping 2002 for print might be a good idea. You can run both on the same
computer.

I do have both on my computer. 2000 & 2002. I wasnt sure how I was going to
like 02. I think this is newsletter #3 that I have used PUB02. I just thought
that if I was going to create a newsletter in 02 that it would be difficult
keeping things straight if I tried to do the newsletter with one version and
the web site with another.

"I think you need to rethink the way you have your directory organized."


I dont see how it could get any more organized. I have folders for each
section of the web site. NEWSLETTER, MAPS, APPLICATION, AAWeb_Files, LINKS
and SERVICES. There are actually 3 "web sites" linked together and everything
has its own directory. Like the newsletter is in the
http://www.auglaizeacres.com/NEWSLETTER and it has sub dir's of SEPT, OCT and
NOVEMBER.

"All of this is way beyond the scope of your original question about how to
get the link to point to the correct page."

And I really appreciate it all.

Thanks again. I will start work today on fixing my newsletter page and
reading your recomended articles.
 
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DavidF

Beyon,

You are welcome...

Ok...I couldn't tell if you were using subfolders or not, but that is the
way to go in my opinion. The bigger the site, the easier to manage this way.

After you read through the article David wrote about the changes in Pub
2002 vs. 2000, I think you might want to go back. You can Save AS a Pub 2002
file to Pub 2000 without loosing too much. Pub 2000 just writes such cleaner
code and has so many advantages over 2002, I think it is worth considering.
Especially since you already are using subfolders and multiple Pub files.
However, if you make the changes I recommended you can stay with 2002 if you
want. I have all versions of Publisher, and still prefer 2000 for most of my
web work....and really dislike 2002, in case you haven't noticed. The one
big limitation was the 10 page limit on the navbar wizard, but after I
switched to a subfolder directory system and started using a javascript menu
and hand-built textual links, that wasn't a problem any longer. No
biggy...do what ever works best for you.

PS. I have changed my Pub 2000 pages to a custom 7.92 " wide which is the
equivalent of 760 pixels...a tad bigger than the standard width in 2000, and
I think equivalent to the standard width in 2002. You could probably just
copy and paste your Pub 2002 content to a 7.92" page in Pub 2000 without
changing the layout.

Good luck...

DavidF
 

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