Get rid of CE fonts

[henryn]

Folks:

Word 2004, MacOS X 10.3.4.

I'm a font minimalist -- just need the plain and simple fonts, plus those
that are mandatory.

Finally, after diving into all the right places (manually removing font
files) plus using Font Book, I'm down to about 25 fonts, the ones I
routinely use. Now I don't have to scroll through a huge long list to find
"Times"!

But there are still five I can't seem to lose: Courier CE, Geneva CE,
Helvetica, CE Monaco CE, Times CE. I'll never need these. How do I get
rid of them?

Bonus questions: Why won't Font Book disable Lucida Grande, and what's the
suffix "CY" mean? (As in: "Lucida Grande CY")

Time for a weekend, eh?

Thanks,

Henry

 

[David]

what's the
suffix "CY" mean? (As in: "Lucida Grande CY")

Cyrillic.

However, I've never seen a Lucida Grande CY. Apple distributed the
standard OS9 fonts in Cyrillic versions, though: Times CY, Geneva CY, etc.

 

[Paul Berkowitz]

Word 2004, MacOS X 10.3.4.

I'm a font minimalist -- just need the plain and simple fonts, plus those
that are mandatory.

Finally, after diving into all the right places (manually removing font
files) plus using Font Book, I'm down to about 25 fonts, the ones I
routinely use. Now I don't have to scroll through a huge long list to find
"Times"!

You should never remove anything from System/Library/Fonts - don't mess with
_anything_ in System. Otherwise, yes, you can get rid of what you don't
want.

But there are still five I can't seem to lose: Courier CE, Geneva CE,
Helvetica, CE Monaco CE, Times CE. I'll never need these. How do I get
rid of them?

CE Fonts are "Central European" - Czech, Hungarian, Polish, etc. They use
the Latin alphabet with lots of extra diacritics - mostly accents - on all
sorts of characters.

Bonus questions: Why won't Font Book disable Lucida Grande, and what's the
suffix "CY" mean? (As in: "Lucida Grande CY")

CY refers to East Asian fonts containing characters used in Chinese,
Japanese and Korean.



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[Paul Berkowitz]

CY refers to East Asian fonts containing characters used in Chinese,
Japanese and Korean.

Sorry, misplaced my brain for a moment. CY means "Cyrillic" - Russian,
Bulgarian, Ukrainian, Serbian, etc. They use a different alphabet (Cyrillic)
which has a few similarities, or at least correspondences, with our own
Latin alphabet.



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[henryn]

Paul Berkowitz:

Thanks for your posts on this thread:

You should never remove anything from System/Library/Fonts - don't mess with
_anything_ in System.

I have in the past successfully modified this directory, but it seems much
more reasonable --safer, and much less trouble-- to use Font Book to simply
disable the fonts there I don't want to see.

Otherwise, yes, you can get rid of what you don't want.

Right, well, I think I saw something over 500 MB of fonts, all told --maybe
some duplicates-- most of which I'll never use. Most of all, I begrudge
the scrolling time to select the ones I use ordinarily.

CE Fonts are "Central European" - Czech, Hungarian, Polish, etc. They use
the Latin alphabet with lots of extra diacritics - mostly accents - on all
sorts of characters.

Right, I had already figured that out. I had also already figured out
that, other than saying "hello" in Polish to my neighbors, I have no
practical use for these languages.

CY refers to East Asian fonts containing characters used in Chinese,
Japanese and Korean.

Your follow-up correction:

Sorry, misplaced my brain for a moment. CY means "Cyrillic" - Russian,
Bulgarian, Ukrainian, Serbian, etc. They use a different alphabet (Cyrillic)
which has a few similarities, or at least correspondences, with our own
Latin alphabet.

....also answered by another poster (Thanks, David!)

I do also say, "good morning" in Russian to other neighbors, on occasion,
but again, I have no reason to have these fonts.

Anyway...

The reason I'm persisting on this group is that Office Apps are the only
ones which make these fonts visible, so far as I have seen. The CY font
just appeared, I think, only after I installed Office 2004.

Is there _any_ way of getting rid of CE and now CY fonts?

Thanks,

Henry

 

[Tim Murray]

Why won't Font Book disable Lucida Grande, and what's the

suffix "CY" mean?

I would leave that one. It's a default used by a lot of applications.

 

[henryn]

Tim:

Thanks for your post on this thread:

I would leave that one. It's a default used by a lot of applications.

Yeah, I discovered that Lucida Grande is mandatory. No problem, expect
that Font Book should probably do something other than silently failing to
disable it. ("Sorry, that's a system font, can't be disabled" or similar.)

Is "Lucida Grande CY" an independent variant of "Lucida Grande" itself, or
what? Certainly the system won't insist on having a Cyrillic font. Right?

Thanks,

Henry

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[Tim Murray]

Is "Lucida Grande CY" an independent variant of "Lucida Grande" itself, or
what? Certainly the system won't insist on having a Cyrillic font. Right?

I am presently at a loss to explain where these come from. I have a few CYs
and CEs even though I've pared my system down to bare bones. Suitcase even
shows them, but when I click Show In Finder, nothing happens!

 

[henryn]

Tim Murray:

Thanks for your response on this thread:

I am presently at a loss to explain where these come from. I have a few CYs
and CEs even though I've pared my system down to bare bones. Suitcase even
shows them, but when I click Show In Finder, nothing happens!

<Special Effect: Twilight Zone Theme Music>

I think the answer will be either in some obscure switch setting somewhere
(not unusual in MS Word, for example) or in the tech docs. I'll dive in to
those this week.

Henry

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[henryn]

Folks:

I'd like to add this to my previous posts:

My current "minimal" font configuration results in the following Word font
pulldown contents:

Arial
Arial Black
Arial Narrow
Arial Rounded MT Bold
Century Schoolbook
Charcoal
Chicago
Comic Sans MS
Courier
Garamond
Geneva
Helvetica
Lucida Grande
Monaco
Palatino
Symbol
Times
Times New Roman
Wingdings
Zapf Dingbats
Courier CE
Geneva CE
Helvetica CE
Monaco CE
Times CE
Lucida Grande CY

Look at this: Three different alphabetized chunks. First, at the top, one
for Latin characters, second for CE characters, and (guessing -- there's
only one case) third for CY characters . If I had a Cyrillic-enabled
Monaco font available, I would expect to see "Monaco CY" at the bottom of
the list.

Note: Lucida Grande is mandatory. It includes a bunch of different
scripts, including Latin, Arabic, Cyrillic, and Greek, as one can see by
looking around the font in Font Book. Based on what I see here, I would
guess that Lucida Grande does _not_ include CE characters --or else it would
show up in the second menu "chunk" as ³Lucida Grande CE².

It looks as if Word scans all available fonts first for Latin components,
second for CE, third for CY. (Any ideas for fourth and beyond?) It
reproduces the results in the Font menu(s).

Does anyone have ideas about what utility this scheme serves?

I can see that Insert-->Symbol... benefits. With Lucida Grande CY the
current font, you can choose from a palette of exotic Russian characters.
If plain old Lucida Grande is selected, the palette include standard Latin
characters plus a familiar set of math symbols and so on ‹ what we¹ve seen
in Key Caps since System 1, more or less. I don't see anyone composing in
Russian via this method, but I¹m guessing the situation would be much
improved with a true Russian keyboard attached.

On the other hand, this feature extends this minimal font list by about 20%
to list scripts I will _never_ use. Font menus are historically balky
enough, even with Preferences-->WYSIWYG font and style menus disabled. As
more and more fonts include more scripts, I can see the possibility of a 3X
extension of the font menu length -- at minimum. More, if Word scans for
more types. I guess this might be helpful for people who need small bits
of multiple scripts, but it sure doesn¹t look good for the rest of us.

So, is there a switch somewhere that says, "Don't scan fonts for scripts in
available fonts other than for the native operating script²? By ³native²
I mean the operating script of the machine as a whole, which would be
American English --> Latin script in my case.

Thanks,

Henry

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